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  • #126109
    LookingForFriends
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    VJ, I apologize for not writing back for a while.

    I especially like this section:

    “(working “with it” will mean not resisting your situation, even though it is a painful situation. It means to align yourself to whatever is happening)
    This will miraculously transform your whole life”

    This will miraculously transform your whole life…wow. I think I need to really dig deeper in how to work on removing the resistance in my life…?

    I’m having a bit of a difficult time understanding the plastic bottle and space example, and how occupying that space will make me “..peaceful, cordial, friendly, harmonious and loving irrespective of the (external) circumstances.” I guess I need to dig deeper into that topic to truly understand.

    I see what you mean by the remote in my hand. However, I would like on that remote the “time for friends” button to push when I choose to be with friends…understanding that the act of having friends does not define me or contributes solely to my fulfillment of happiness. Having the option on the remote would be nice.

    Thank you for sharing. I will keep reading what you have shared as I continue to work through this time in my life.

    #126110
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    Nina –

    My apologies for the delay in my response.

    I really do not feel that the time of financial difficulty affected me. They made me feel like my home and my life was safe and secure. I do remember one night that my mother shared with me that we may lose the house. That night I cried, looking around the room, reliving experiences I had in that room, and how much I would miss it. However, it never happened, and my parents never spoke about it again.

    I was in my early teens. My father was constantly on edge…and also a strong personality…one that prevented me from asserting myself in front of him.

    The transfer of responsibility happened when I moved out of the house and became married. The anxiety heightened when my wife at the time would not care about what was spent, and her spending kept haunting me day and night. I really believe that she was the one that truly drove me to my highest anxiety.

    I hope this answers your question.

    Thank you

    #126111
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    Nina –

    I cannot tell you how much I have been thinking about this statement that you shared:

    “I must say your description of what you in a friend is rather beautiful actual. It’s so simple and can be easily found at the right places with a little bit of effort. You essentially want quality companionship, not emotional intimacy per say. That is something you appear to crave with a romantic partner, a future spouse. In simple terms, you want good, solid, down to earth people who are kind. They are out there actually no matter how materialistic and superficial the world seems at times. The funny thing is, a lot of people actually seek this very bonding you described.”

    So, my question. If this is so simple and can be easily found…why can’t I find it…and if I do, why do I constantly fail at keeping those relationships. You painted a picture of ease in achieving this goal. But, to me, achieving this is harder than running a marathon or climbing a mountain. It is so hard for me…so how do I make it easy, as it appears that most people truly find ease in making such relationships?

    I’m crying right now thinking about how I may never achieve this…and if I don’t achieve this, I think it lays a huge obstacle for finding the soulmate I so desperately seek. Who wants to date or get close with a person who lacks the capabilities of making and maintaining these relationships.

    #126112
    Participant

    Hi LookingForFriends,
    The fact that you have had friends doesn’t mean that you will never have friends.
    None of us can possibly know what is going to happen before it has happened. We can only trust that what we have, in this moment, is enough and believe that things will get better when we feel stuck. (Easier said than done.)
    I do think that it might be worth you going back to the groups with the intention of enjoying the group, rather than looking for friends. If you find friends, that’s great. If you don’t, at least you can say that you made an effort.
    You are not alone in your experiences.

    #126113
    Participant

    *Have never had friends

    #126116
    RamoneJoseph
    Participant

    Hey LFF,

    I forget who recommended this book,

    https://7chan.org/lit/src/Robert_Glover_-_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy.pdf

    But it was a good read and gave me a lot of perspective on the issues I have with creating meaningful relationships with friends and partners…

    wishing you well,
    Ramone

    #126117
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    shine123 – I really like your perspective on the group idea. In fact, I plan on joining a group to go skiing this weekend…and I would have gone with the intention of making friends and being disappointed if I did not make any. So, I will approach the group in a completely different manner now. Thank you!

    #126120
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    RamoneJoseph

    Wow, I read the first few lines in the book…this is certainly going to be an interesting read…thank you for the recommendation!

    BTW, not that it matters, but my original name on this post was needsomehelp, and it was changed to LookingForFriends. How is that possible?

    I’m going to start reading on my lunch…thank you so much! Wait, maybe I’m saying thank you too much and being too nice…lol…guess I’ll find out 🙂

    #126121
    Erin
    Participant

    Hello,

    I chose to read your post because it has some of the same flavour of my own story (I find it easier to be a friend when I like myself, but it’s a lot easier to like myself if I have friends).

    You’ve been trying activities in order to meet people, which sounds like a good approach. I have an idea, based on what a friend of mine does: she has GAD and volunteers at the local mental health hospital. I’m not sure exactly what she does but it’s office work (something to do with donations or fundraising events?) I wonder if this is an option for you, meaningful work with other like-minded people of all ages to help people whose struggles have been similar to yours. I imagine that anyone who volunteers there has some experience with mental illness (themselves, family member, friend) and won’t judge you for having a mental illness or expect you to pretend not to (Not what I can say about SOME people I knew).

    #126133
    Participant

    Hope it all goes well 🙂

    I’m also thinking of starting to read. A book club would be nice.

    #126159
    VJ
    Participant

    Hi Russ,

    Yes, as I stated in one of my earlier posts to you that you may find it difficult to understand being the spacious awareness, as it can only be described by me but experienced only by you. You need not worry much about it. You will eventually experience what it is. Life is very intelligent. It knows what you need and at what time. If you already had friends you would be “enjoying” with them and would have never come to this site, to understand the various concepts and viewpoints of Life by various members. Only suffering leads to awakening.

    “I would like on that remote the “time for friends” button to push when I choose to be with friends…understanding that the act of having friends does not define me or contributes solely to my fulfillment of happiness. Having the option on the remote would be nice.”

    With wanting to have an extra button on the remote of life, see if you are placing a demand on any situation, person, place, or event. See to it if you are resisting to what already is. That truly does not mean that you should not strive to achieve friends. But there is a difference between preferences and requirements.
    Preferences is based on detached expectation. If I get “this” I am fine, even if I don’t, I’m fine too. Thus it is less painful. Your inner state of mind is no longer dependent on any external situation. You are totally detached from the outcome.

    Requirements on the other hand is based on attached expectation. You have an attachment and cling on to it. I want “this” no matter what. I feel painful if I don’t get or have it. And once you get it and if you lose that, you will again be in pain. Internal state of mind is always dependent on an external situation.

    If having no friends is troubling you and if that is why you have posted here, then you are on the Requirements side and the below statement are only mere words and not true understanding.
    “….understanding that the act of having friends does not define me or contributes solely to my fulfillment of happiness”

    Realize if wanting a new button is an impossible demand on the manufacturer of the remote, because it has already been designed that way and delivered to your home. That will not mean that you should live with this remote forever. When you allow the “isness” of this moment to be as it is (by focusing more on being yourself, doing what you love), that is when things begin to change for the good and then a new television with a new additional button on the remote produced by a different manufacturer will land in your place, when you are least expecting it. And at that time it will be detached expectation because you are already enjoying life by doing the things you love, and whether or not having a new button may not bother you anymore.

    Not sure if you took a look at the video that I suggested you. If not, please do so, as that will give you a glimpse on Acceptance, Surrender and Non-resistance.
    Also please make notes of all that you liked on this thread from various members and put them into practice.

    Take care,
    VJ

    #126218
    Nina Sakura
    Participant

    Dear Russ

    Sorry to see you so upset. Please read through the entire thing I wrote which was “at the right place with a little bit of effort” – you focused more on the area where you wanted to which was your lack of ease and feeling of despair over it.

    When I said right place, I not only meant the right setting but also your own state of mind. When I said little bit of effort, I meant the part where you go beyond your past insecurities and nudge them towards association by regular contact. But for this, you yourself need to be in a calmner state of mind or in the other words, the right place of mind.

    Have you ever learnt to like your own company though? Can you sit in a room alone without going crazy?

    Your mind at the moment is focused on your anxieties and failures. The money worries you, the past worries you, so does the future. The lack of friends is another area that you are taking personally as some deficiency in you.

    Work on your own state of mind Russ. There is a lot of work to be done there. Take baby steps, write down whatever you have found helpful here.

    I apologize for not being able to share the excel. My laptop did come back but as I feared they had formatted my drives and I lost all my files.

    Regards
    Nina

    #126227
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    Erin –

    Thank you for your input. I do have to get out more to find those opportunities. I have neglected that part of my life. I know some people where volunteering at such places put them into a further state of unhappiness because they are now exposed even more to the circumstances that people have to face. But, I know that I will not know if this works for me unless I go out and give it a try.

    #126228
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    VJ –

    Very insightful. Thank you. I need to read all these posts over and over again. As much as the concept makes sense, implementing these concepts in my life is the challenge. I will take what you and others have said and seriously take it to heart and learn to grow from this experience.

    #126229
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    Nina –

    To be completely transparent: no, I do not find peace in my own company. I can sit in a room by myself and not go crazy…but, my thoughts are steered in a negative direction so much more when I do not have people surrounding me to uplift me. I know I should be able to lift myself up and that should come from within and not from without.

    And, yes, I firmly believe there is a deficiency in me…firmly. And I hate the pain that I experience knowing that I have that deficiency. In my mind, I just want to be with people, and assume that should be something easy to do. But, as you and many others have indicated, I have to work on my own self in order to be strong enough for a relationship. It seems so hard…and to try and improve and implement the wonderful ideas everyone has presented…and to do that when alone…that is a real challenge.

    Nina, everything you have told me has been so helpful…I don’t want you to think that my responses are rejections to what wonderful love and guidance you have extended to me. I appreciate it more than you know…way, way more than you know!

    I am heading to skiing this evening all by myself…I am terrified!!!! But, I know it’s necessary to develop peace in my own company. Please say a prayer for me as I navigate a difficult weekend…judging from my schedule, I’m going to be quite disconnected from people…but I’m hoping that I use the time to learn to love myself, so when the time comes that I am not alone…relationships will naturally development.

    I carry so much love and appreciation in my heart for all you and others have contributed. Enjoy your weekend…and I pray that you find peace in helping others, as you have with me.

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