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    Jonathan
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    Dear people, I have been reading many posts on this forum to help me get through my situation but I am sharing my predicament as I am completely stuck and don’t know what do to or how to act.

    In short, my girlfriend of 6 years is no longer sure that she loves me. She thinks she has associated the tough and painful times of the past 6 years with me, and she wants to be rid of those memories. She is seeking support from her therapist soon but I am at a loss on how to behave in the meanwhile and could do with your thoughts and advice.

    It’s a long and complicated story which I have written out in full so that you have all the context. For those that read the whole thing, let me express my gratitude beforehand.

    When I met my girlfriend, she was in her final year at college to become a biology teacher, after previously having completed a bachelors in law. At the time she suffered a lot from stress about finishing her subjects and passing her final exams. In the end, she suffered a complete breakdown/burn-out from the stress of her teaching internships. She could not cope with the workload and also the high-school kids; the need to constantly keep them in check, motive them, and the harsh unfiltered judgement from kids that age.

    After that, she could no longer work and suffered from anxiety, depression and even suicidal tendencies. She went into extended sick leave and started anti-anxiety/depression medication and over the past 5 years, followed a number of psychotherapy programs (cognitive behavioral therapy, full-time group therapy) to address her challenges, sometimes with a part-time next to this.

    I learnt early on in the relationship that her problems did not stem from her college time, but that she had had a very tough childhood. Her brothers and father where always negative about her accomplishments. Her mother was going through a depression, which made my girlfriend constantly walk on eggshells so as not to upset her mother. Her mother had a number of abusive/drunk partners and for a while, when she was in her late teens, she had a stepfather that acted overtly sexual towards her and in the end defrauded the family.

    It has been hard going these 6 years, with marks on the walls and myself from the times that I had to physically restrain her from trying to hurt herself or leaving in anger knowing that she might hurt herself. When we changed medications to see if other combinations would have more effect and fewer side effects, there would be hard periods where she would doubt everything I said or accuse me of all kinds of things. She would often voice her fear of me breaking up with her and we’ve had many arguments revolving around her anxiety or fears for non-existent situations.

    There have been times when I considered breaking up with her, when things got so wild that I really didn’t think it would ever get better.

    But the thing is, I love her. Even with the difficult times, they have also been 6 great years, with lots of love, travelling, unique shared experiences, deep conversations, shared understanding and more. When I met her, she was strong, outspoken, independent, smart, and outgoing. All things I valued in her. Our characters match: we are both very analytical and our beliefs about life and overall preferences are very much aligned. Even through all these hard times, I could see the wonderful person I first met was still there and that it was worth standing by her side. She continued to work on her issues, and I was committed to support her. For the past year, things were looking up and we have actually been planning and preparing bit by bit to sail around the world.

    Fast forward to last February. We had figured out that her current part-time job was dragging her down again. We had long been looking for a new direction for her and had finally found a re-education program for her that she was really enthusiastic about. One that would challenge her analytical mind and would guarantee her a job at a good company. The first two months where a breeze for her and she really enjoyed it. She made new friends at college, enjoyed the course and even though it was a challenging program, she kept at it.

    With her new-found energy also came a new phase in her behavior. She started to voice criticism on our relationship. I had been working a lot and not having a great time, so I was often working in the evening hours. Before I left for a two week business trip, we agreed that we would work to spend more quality time together and have more fun.

    During the business trip, she also had a break from college and during this time she went out dancing a lot (we met on the dance floor), but she hid this from me until she accidentally blurted it out. She had kept it from me because she didn’t want me criticizing her choices. In the past, I was always looking out for her, making sure that she would not over-exert herself but recently I have been generally very supportive of her freedom and her making her own choices now that she was in good spirits and had a new-found drive. But she still thought I would think badly of her and became very defensive.

    It also turned out that she had a (male) college friend over to stay in our spare bedroom, without discussing this with me. I did not fear that she had cheated on me, but we had an big argument about trust, that I would not have minded if she had asked me but that I really felt hurt that she did not ask me beforehand. She again was very defensive. She has explained to me that with her new-found drive, she has also become very selfish and that she does not want to be hindered. That she hated that she would have to discuss this with me and not just be able to decide for herself.

    After I got back from my business trip, we talked a lot of this through but she became distant and cold, not responding to gestures of love such as touching or kissing. When I confronted her about what I had noticed, she said she no longer new if the loved me. She said the loved me as a person, and that she could not think of a better person to be in a relationship with but that she was no longer sure that she loved me.

    After more conversations, we figured out that now that she was in high spirits with a new environment and success at her new college program, she wanted to forget these difficult past 6 years. She associated me with the past 6 years and I was now also a painful reminder, one that did not fit in her new phase. She understands that she is running away from her past, and that she needs to accept the painful years as part of her life but we also realize this will need time and effort from her.

    She still talks about the near future, about a number of months ahead, which provides me with some hope that she’s not considering bailing on me just yet. She’s also scheduled a couple of sessions with her therapist to discuss her new negative association with the past 6 years and my place in this. We both hope that she will be able to process her negative associations and regain her love for me.

    In the meanwhile, she has decided she wants to stay in the house but one day we can have a nice day together and go out for dinner and dancing, the next day she is distant and unresponsive. We still sleep in the same bed but the no longer sleeps in my arms or touches me. We used to always walk hand in hand, sleep in each other’s arms, now the best I can hope for is a quick kiss on the lips but without conviction.

    This last part is what is killing me. We used to have a very tactile relationship. My love-language is very much physical intimacy and with that gone, I am really insecure and anxious. The constant rejection pains me and I find it very hard to sleep next to her. I am constantly hoping that she’ll reach out and touch me when I lay beside her and it pains me that she doesn’t.

    I also no longer know how to act around her. It’s clear that my usual caring and attentive nature is no longer appreciated. Its too much for her and it’s working counterproductive. She’s testing to see what happens when she spends time in another room away from me.

    It’s killing me that in the space of 1-2 months, we’ve gone from planning a round the world trip to her no longer loving me. From 6 years where I stood next to her with her fearful of me leaving her, to her considering leaving me.

    What should I do? Should I give her more space, sleep in a different room, stop trying to touch/kiss/hug her? Should I go out more to see if she realizes with me gone more often that she misses me? Or will this just reinforce her idea of leaving me being beneficial to her mental health?

    I really don’t know what to do and would appreciate any insights or advice you could share.

    • This topic was modified 6 years, 1 month ago by tinybuddha.
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    #200879
    Airene
    Participant

    Hi Jonathan,

    As I read through your post, my sense is that your girlfriend has worked through some things she has struggled with, that you have been by her side and extremely supportive through it all, and now she has come through her struggles only to feel that perhaps she no longer loves you.

    I wonder if you are aware that, based on what you have posted, a lot of your relationship seems to revolve around her needs – emotional, job-wise, being happy, negative. When you were putting in a lot of hours at work and she became critical, your response was to try to make her happy once again.  This is noble and loving, but I wonder…what do YOU want from relationship?  And going forward, what do you need from the relationship?

    You say your love language is physical intimacy and you are no longer getting that.  You say she is testing to see what happens when she spends time in another room away from you.  By not openly telling you about her going out dancing and having the college friend overnight, she has lied to you by omission.  She may be trying to spare your feelings, or she may be trying to figure this out herself, but it sounds like, at best, the relationship is changing.  At worst, it might be over.

    You asked for advice and insight.  My thought is that your girlfriend needs to figure out some things yet and is still trying to figure things out.  Maybe it is time to let her figure it out, and for you to take care of you.  Something needs to change.  Maybe this will mean that you both agree to see other people.  Or that you continue to live together, but in separate rooms.  Or that you break up completely.  As it is, her behavior keeps you in a holding pattern.  This doesn’t seem fair to you, and I wonder if you can see yourself doing this, happily, for the rest of your life.

    Airene

     

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    #200885
    Mark
    Participant

    Jonathan,

    This reminds me of how a fat partner loses weight and now wants to try on their new found attractiveness/freedom by stepping out and abandoning their partner who supported them while they were fat and miserable.

    Have you two tried couples counseling?  That would be a good place to start.

    Is the house yours?  I would have a heart-to-heart on living arrangements for if the house is yours then she is taking advantage of you/you are allowing her to control the relationship.  You are tolerating her to dictate the sleeping arrangements as well as how the relationship is “done” down to the amount of touch.  She controlled the relationship while she was struggling and she is controlling how the relationship now that she is well.

    To put it bluntly, you are letting her step all over you.  If you want to love yourself first then move her out, whether out of the bedroom or out of the house.  She is exploring her new found self and you are not part of that for now.  She wants that without you.  This is her exploration in independence, self reliance, and finding her joy.  You are not part of that.  Time to separate so you won’t be miserable and begging for her affection scraps.  She obviously does not want you in her life for now.

    Mark

     

    #200913
    Abbie
    Participant

    Jonathan,

    When we have a partner who has a lot of needs, it can be easy to get lost in that aspect of the relationship and lose sight of our own needs in the process. Some of what you describe with your girlfriend’s behavior reminds me of things I have done in my own relationship, including doubting, accusing, hurting myself, etc. It definitely caused my boyfriend stress to deal with these things, and he also responded similarly by restraining me or attempting to help me. It created a dangerous situation where I was unable to control myself and he felt as if he had to help control me. It damaged his ability to trust me to think and act for myself, and it damaged my self-esteem, as he was taking away my agency to learn how to protect myself.

    I don’t blame either of us for the development of this dynamic. I brought my own issues into this relationship, and he responded to that difficulty the best way he knew how. Perhaps your girlfriend’s rejection of you is temporary. However, if the structure of your relationship has always been you rescuing her from herself, there may need to be a significant shift on your part as well to extract yourself from that dynamic as she shifts into being more independent. Let her breathe, and use the space to figure out what you need from the relationship and if it’s possible to get it. You deserve to be loved, and it sounds like she is causing you quite a bit of pain.

    Abbie

    #200931
    Jonathan
    Participant

    Hi Airene,

    Yes, I am acutely aware that a lot of our relationship revolved around caring for and supporting her. To her credit, she has always sought professional help but there were so many times where I felt that if I did not sit with her, listen to her, help her, that she would fall further into depression or hurt herself. I would love to be rid of the carer aspect in this relationship. I have tried to minimize it (short of leaving her) as I know its not a healthy basis for a relationship. She once asked me if I enjoyed this position but it has never been my wish, it has cost me so many hours.

    When she became critical of our relationship, it was also a reality check for me: I had been spending a lot of hours on work, menial tasks but also caring for her. I had lost a lot of motivation to do enjoyable things for myself and actually found it very hard to think of what I enjoyed. It aligned quite well with the needs that I had lost sight of so I was personally very keen to affect a change here. I still am. I am considering starting taking evening dance classes again (this was a shared passion when we first met) as I like being among people and its also good exercise.

    I’ll do my best to answer your question what I am looking for in a relationship: an equal companionship, someone by my side to discover and share new horizons with like living in another country or travelling around the world, someone to challenge me intellectually, someone who is at ease in sharing her emotions and thoughts, and finally someone who is not afraid to show her love.

    In the good times, she is the person above and the reason I have stuck it out.

    Regarding her behavior, I find it hard to determine if this is a new phase in her development following her depression and anxiety or if this is a change in our relationship. I could see this as being a final stage in her dealing with her past, in that she now has to accept the painful times as part of her life. Her reasoning for not telling me of the things she did is that she wanted to avoid any form of criticism on her choices/behavior. She is experiencing a ‘high’ having found a her drive and enjoying what she is doing and doesn’t want anything to drag her down. I think it’s an extreme reaction to her having regained a positive feeling and outlook in life, basically guarding this feeling even if that means pushing me away. She is putting her needs first.

    Yes, she needs to figure a lot out. The hardest thing I am dealing with is what is the best course of action for me. On the one hand, I want the relationship to be as I described above. On the other hand it’s emotionally very hard.

    This coldness and distant behavior started last Friday when I got back from being abroad so it’s been less that a week. The holding pattern you mention is definitely not something that I can endure for long. But how long makes sense? She has an appointment with her therapist Tuesday. I am keen to see what she will suggest. In the meanwhile I have found a number of EFT-based couples therapists and she has agreed to go to sessions with me if that matches what her therapist thinks. If it doesn’t, I am considering going alone to help me deal with my emotions.


    @Mark
    , yes, the house is mine. I sometimes get very angry in my mind when I think what I have tolerated and thoughts of asking her to leave have certainly come to mind. On the other side, I don’t want my anger at how unfair I feel this has turned out to dictate my actions. As I mentioned, there is a lot I valued in this relationship. If it turns out that this is more than a phase, and she wants total freedom and doesn’t care if I am part of that, then that’s it for me. After 6 years, I am looking for a companion and not just a friend with benefits.

    I am allowing her to control the relationship, I agree. I wish I knew what action to take. Can I demand that she touch me? It feels like asking someone to love you, its either voluntary or not.


    @Abbie
    , I agree with you that I need to change roles. When I saw that she was becoming more able to manage her own emotions and energy, I made conscious effort to no longer play the caring/guarding role. I should probably have approached this differently but as you mention, this was the best thing I could think of short of leaving her.

    Do you have advice on how to let her breathe? Do I sleep in another room and avoid being home for long periods? She has mentioned that she doesn’t know if it is better for her to stay or move out. She has said she’s just as afraid that if I am alone, I will find someone else and that her chance of regaining her love for me will be too late.

    #200941
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Jonathan,

    She was a hot mess when she met you, but guess what? She will find that she will be a hot mess without you. I’m glad she’s doing (a lot!) better. But she has forgotten who you are. You are the person that has taken care of her all these years and she’s living at your place! This bears repeating: She is living at your place! You are not married. Morally, you don’t owe her a thing. Methinks, perhaps, you can gently move her to an apartment all her own.

    Now it is time for you.

    Best,

    Inky

    #200955
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jonathan:

    She shared with you that she walked on egg shells around her mother. Likely she feels that she is walking on eggshells around you (we inaccurately project people in our childhood into people in our current lives). That was probably the case before, in between her short periods of revival, of feeling good.

    You wrote about the way it was: “it was worth standing by her side”. This has changed: it is no longer worth it for you, to stand by her side.. or sleep by her side on the same bed.

    In regard to the way it was, you used the pronoun we to describe what took place. This has changed: I don’t think she wants you in her life as a partner. She may want you as one providing her with a home for her to live in, maybe one to help her if she needs help in the future, the ways you helped her before.

    If there was honestly on her part, the way it was, that is no longer the way it is. She hid things from you and is hiding things from you, not telling you her whole truth, far from it, reads to me.

    Your emotional health is suffering.

    Do you see what I see, that she is not honest with you, that if you could read her mind, you wouldn’t like what you read, not at all?

    anita

     

     

     

    #200975
    Mark
    Participant

    Jonathan,

    She is choosing not to be with you… physically, emotionally, sexually so kicking her out is just a logical confirmation of what she has already signaled what she wants, i.e. not to be with you.  Demanding touch as you suspect is not a solution.

    If this is a “phase” then let her have it without you accommodating her ill treatment towards you.

    Respect yourself Jonathan.  Move her out and move on.  She already has made that decision, it is your turn to make yours.

     

    Mark

     

    #201155
    Jonathan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You write “This has changed: it is no longer worth it for you, to stand by her side.. or sleep by her side on the same bed.”

    It’s very painful for me. Whether it is worth it depends more on the outcome: If this is part of the phase where she has to accept the bad times with the good ones, and there’s a reasonable chance she can regain her feelings, then I would like to stick it out a bit longer. I have read that this is not uncommen.

    I feel that if I ask her to leave now, it will be more because I can’t handle the emotions then that I believe she has given up. I think I should at least wait to see what her therapist has to say.

    But it’s all so confusing and I don’t know that to believe. I am trying to weigh the balance to decide which is true.

    On the positive:

    • She still stalks about the future, about things as being together. (Is that habit or intent?)
    • She wants to stay in the house.
    • She has agreed to couples counseling.
    • She still wants to do nice things together.
    • She slept in my arms for a bit this morning.
    • We went dancing tonight and had fun.

    On the negative

    • In her behavior, she remains cold and distant for the most part.
    • She isn’t asking me about what I’d like to do.

    We had a long talk yesterday as I asked her whether she still wanted to do things together. She said she very much wants to keep working on our relationship. But she also said that bringing it up in long conversations each day is not helping her. She said her biggest fear was that the way we are dealing with this situation is what will cause the relationship to fail in the end. She has asked for some space, not to discuss the situation every day.

    Rationally speaking, the above would seem positive, in that she is putting in effort. She has not generally been a person to be dishonest or abuse someone’s good will.

    Emotionally speaking, I am riddled with fear and doubt: is this a phase? Does she enjoy other people more than me. Is she being dishonest. Should I give her more space, even when she might want to spend time together. Should I ask her to leave.

    You are all right on one thing though: writing the above makes me realize I am not considering what I need. Perhaps I should spend more time on finding what I need and enjoy and less on trying to spend a lot of time together. Maybe that is the best way to bare it for now.

    Thanks, writing and reading your responses helps a great deal even if it doesn’t change the situation.

    #201189
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jonathan:

    Your motivation is to revive the relationship, to sail around the world with her. You want her to love you again. My following input to you is with your motivation in mind.

    Your girlfriend had a tough childhood. You met her after she completed a law degree and was in her final year of studying to be a biology teacher. During her teaching internships she suffered a breakdown, anxiety and depression, suicidal thoughts and urges (At times during the relationship you “had to physically restrain her from trying to hurt herself”). She was on anti anxiety and depression medications and participated in a few psychotherapy programs during five years of your relationships.

    During times of changes in her medications, “she would doubt everything I said or accuse me of all kinds of things”. Yet, in these six years there were not only hardships but “lots of love… deep conversations, shared understanding and more”.

    Recently she feels better, but “With her new-found energy also came a new phase in her behavior”. She “is no longer sure that she loves me. She thinks she has associated the tough and painful times of the past 6 years with me, and she wants to be rid of those memories… She associates me with the past 6 years and I was now also a painful reminder.”

    You view her as one going through phases. You mentioned the word phase repeatedly. If her current behavior is just a phase, you are willing to endure it (“If this is part of the phase… then I would like to stick it out a bit longer”)

    My understanding: you are very fearful of losing her. You need her now more than she needs you. You are not only fearful but angry, underneath the fear (“I stood next to her with her fearful of me leaving her, to her considering leaving me”)

    During the relationship two roles were established: she was the one needing help and you were the one helping her. You were the healthy, stable one; she was the unhealthy, unstable, going-through-phases one. It is the two of you who created these roles, both responsible for these roles.

    At times during the relationship, “she would doubt everything I said or accuse me of all kinds of things”- this  means that her current state of mind is not the first time to occur. She is conflicted now about the relationship and she was conflicted about it before.

    She has a motivation in the present to be rid of you (“she has associated the tough and painful times of the past 6 years with me, and she wants to be rid of those memories”). This is not all that motivates her, but it is a significant motivator which results in her cold behavior toward you.

    Back to your motivation: best you can do is to get rid of the roles I mentioned, the roles established during the relationship. She may love you again if you attend to her motivation to be rid of you in the context of the role you have in the relationship.

    Consider viewing her in a new way, as a resourceful, capable person who does not need your help. If you can adopt such viewing, such attitude, better not use the word “phase” anymore, to explain her behavior. This word indicates she is unstable and best you can expect from her is … a desirable phase. Better you eliminate all efforts to be her psychotherapist-like, any expressions that indicate an attitude on your part that she needs fixing.

    Better you do not use encouraging words with her because you’ve done that before in your efforts to fix her, and saying those words again will appear as your efforts to fix her.

    Doing your part, getting rid of your role in the relationship, will accommodate her motivation and be your best chance, I believe, to revive the loving parts of the relationship.

    anita

     

     

     

     

     

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