Home→Forums→Tough Times→growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma
- This topic has 100 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 2 days, 3 hours ago by anita.
-
AuthorPosts
-
September 16, 2024 at 5:47 pm #438158anitaParticipant
How are you, Robi, how bad are the floods in your area? And how is your girlfriend?
anita
December 7, 2024 at 7:23 am #439991Robi1992ParticipantDear Anita,
Sorry I haven’t said anything for such a long time. Thank you for checking up on me. I’m tempted to write ” I really appreciate it ”. But maybe if I did, I would’ve responded. ( ? ) I do feel like I do appreciate it though.. even if I didn’t take the responsibility to reply and let you know how I am. I feel ashamed of that to be honest. This makes me think of those situations when my friends call you but I can’t convince myself to pick up the phone. I hope you are doing well and good thing are happening around you. What an intense year this has been – for me and many of my friends. I’m sure for you it has also been very transformational.
We haven’t been flooded where we live but both Romania and Poland had been flooded. I was about to leave Romania when those happened. I went for that Fitness Trainer course in the end. It felt good to learn something new and learn something I’m actually interested in. Public School hasn’t been very inspiring. Right after completing the course I flew to Warsaw – wanting to start over ( again ) and apply for jobs ( again ), get my shit together ( again ). I mean, a big part of my life has been dedicated to getting my shit together. Again, I embarked on the same (but different) journey. I’ve done this quite a few times before and every single time my only hope was not to ”come back” right where I started from. I’ve managed to ”secure” a couple of work opportunities in Warsaw before leaving my country so I won’t be walking around looking for work. One and a half months into my latest attempt to growing up / becoming adult, things don’t look too good. Unsurprisingly, I went for another teaching job. I can hear you say… why would you do that? That gives you headaches. My part online job didn’t offer as many hours as they initially promised, so I though I could combine 2 or 3 smaller jobs. I knocked on a few doors and got a few classes here and there. I now work for 2 language schools, a couple hours a week. I absolutely hate it. I hate going there, I hate being there. Often during my classes and after finishing I feel okay, I feel accomplished. Still, something in me hates teaching. I can talk for hours.. and I often do. I often talk to my students about workouts, diets, healthy routines, breath work etc. I seem to be enjoying explaining this kinda shit to people instead of grammar rules I don’t understand myself. ( you surely noticed that by now )
I’ve been complaining A LOT lately. I kept complaining about these teaching jobs and how much I hate teaching. I seem to forget it’s me who knocked on those doors. They opened and welcomed me – because I went there telling them how much I enjoy teaching and how experienced I am. Although some of it its true.. I lied. I am somewhat experienced and because I sound like a native speaker its fairly easy for me to get a teaching job. The enthusiasm I managed to switch on for the first meeting quickly vanishes as I start having more and more classes. Of course it does.. it wasn’t real in the first place. It’s a role’ve played for half an hour. No ”actor” would like to play the same role for too long. Especially one that doesn’t reflect their personality, mission, values etc. So for the last month and half I’ve been trying to convince people I’m a good teacher with good credentials and work ethics. It kinda worked but I quickly became burned out by the stress that comes with impersonating someone I’m not for an extended period of time.
Not so long ago I cracked. I felt like a nut falling off a tall tree. I’ve been holding on for what feels like a very long time. One day I go to my class, feeling stressed, all over the place, trying to keep it all together for the next 90 minutes. I’ve been doing it for a while so I knew I can handle it – even when I’m redlining on a daily basis. Right before the class starts the director of studies asks is she could join the class. She came in all smily and enthusiastic, full of energy – like a bottle of Champagne offering to support me and give me some constructive feedback. I simply didn’t have the space for that. It’s one of those moments when you say to yourself.. ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?!!! So I’ve had a panic attach. I got all warm and tense, couldn’t concentrate so we stepped outside and told her I’m not feeling well and since she’s here, she should do the class herself. She didn’t want to do it but decided to leave me to it. I wouldn’t have done it in her presence. I did a ways less enthusiastic class than before, but I felt like I’ve been through fire. I didn’t really give a shit anymore though. You could have a baby cry next to me and I would’t be bothered by it.
Well as you can imagine, all that made me think. I’ve never reached this point before. Teaching no bueno for me. And maybe it shouldn’t be. I kept saying to myself that putting myself in these uncomfortable situations will translate into growth and maturity. Conquering my inner bitch – as Joe Rogan likes to putt it. Doing something that is difficult.. something that requires big effort. Apart from a source if income I’ve seen these English teaching opportunities as great growth opportunities although It all felt wrong. I already do very difficult things.. I jump into cold showers almost every morning, I swing kettlebells or lift very heavy shit nearly every day. Maybe I don’t need to impersonate an English Teacher in front of other people in order to grow. Maybe there are other ways to achieve that.
Since then I’ve experienced a time of feeling quite low and pensive but also felt like a wake-up call. I feel I’ve been through a mental breakdown but I also feel that is somewhat necessary for my shell to crack. A lot of crying happened, on my own or in the presence of my girlfriend my frustrations or discussing our relationship goals. It feels good to say things I’ve been bottling up for a long time. It’s liberating. I feel like a lot has to come out.. and that’s okay.
In the mean time I decided to advertise my Fitness Trainings and English Classes in a nearby Cafe. I come here often and people know me here. I like the community and I’d rather try to do things privately.. doing it my own way. I’ve also left my CV in a few Gyms – next days doing more of that. I gotta keep knocking, that’s for sure. However, the doors need to change. If I managed to be successful at getting jobs I didn’t actually want, maybe I would be equally successful at getting the ones I actually do want.
After this month and a half I often feel like I’ve already reached failure in my latest attempt to grow up and become adult. However, I don’t believe that to be true. Of course, I could’ve done better and more. I could’ve put more effort and I could’ve complained a lot less. I wish I reminded myself where I’m headed more often. Although I don’t have a very clear image of where I’m going, any blurry image would do – even if vague. Any unclear image of the place I’d like to reach would do me a hell of a lot better than conforming to the paradigm that has been proven to be unsuccessful for years. The thing is, I do know what I want – even if very often I think I don’t. Very often having so many options and variables makes any map look a little unclear but the essence is still visible ( as long as you trust in it ). It’s funny how it’s so much easier to set yourself for failure than anything else, even at the cost of pain. Of course both failure and succes come with some degree of pain. And there it is! The pain Joe Rogan talks about.. The pain and discomfort of achieving something you want, when not knowing how to / when you feel you cannot – swimming against the current dictated by your comfort zone and limiting beliefs. Maybe I wasn’t actually challenging myself the right way by taking those teaching jobs. Maybe trying to convince people I’m a good fitness trainer, a photographer or a DJ would bring better results. Guess what.. I would’t have to pretend at all. I am all those things a lot more than I am an English teacher. Although I still need to improve and learn – I know how to do those things. I enjoy doing them every single time but chose to prioritise pursuing jobs I wasn’t interested in at all. Talking about self-sabotage..
This is kind of an Aha! moment. I’ve read and heard this very thing many times but until it happened to me I didn’t really get it. I got it now. It goes in the journal next to other catchy phrases like that. However, I hope it doesn’t just sit there in the journal. I hope it stays with me and pats me on the shoulder the next time I try to convince someone I want to be an English teacher.
Again, what a year this has been! Take good care of yourself ( or yourselves if there’s more of you reading this 🙂 )
Thanks for reading!
December 7, 2024 at 10:52 am #439999anitaParticipantDear Robi:
Thank you for sharing your heartfelt update. It’s clear that you’ve been on an incredible journey of self-discovery and growth, and I’m truly grateful that you’ve entrusted me with your story.
First, please don’t feel ashamed for not responding earlier. We all have times when we need to step back and focus on ourselves. Your honesty about appreciating the check-ins, despite the delay, is deeply appreciated.
Second, I’m glad to read that you found the fitness trainer course rewarding. It’s always uplifting to learn something new and align it with your interests. As for the teaching jobs, it’s completely valid to recognize that they don’t resonate with you. It’s a significant realization to understand that you’ve been playing a role that doesn’t reflect your true self, and it’s commendable that you’re taking steps to change that.
Experiencing a panic attack and going through a mental breakdown is incredibly tough. Allowing yourself to cry and express your bottled-up emotions can be profoundly healing. It’s a sign of strength to face these emotions head-on. It is okay for you to feel what you feel.
Your “Aha!” moment is a testament to your resilience and determination to align your life with your true passions. Your determination to keep knocking on doors, even if they need to change, is admirable, and I understand that it’s about finding the right doors that align with your true self and passions.
Third, Reading about your recent experiences, I can see a strong connection to the past you’ve shared about. I just re-read quotes from what you shared, quotes that I included in my post to you on Sept 4-5 this year (on the previous page of this thread, page 6), quotes from June 2018 through Sept 2024 (your first post in the forums was on June 8, 2018, tomorrow it will be 6.5 years ago). Here is the strong connection:
Your feelings of being controlled and lacking personal space in childhood echo in your current struggles with career choices and relationships. It’s understandable that this childhood deep-seated resentment and frustration would influence your decisions and emotional responses today.
In 2018, you described your attachment to your parents as a young child, which later turned into resentment due to feelings of being controlled and trapped. This early sense of being restricted and lacking personal space contribute to your current feelings of entrapment and dissatisfaction in roles and relationships that do not align with your true self.
Your pattern of taking teaching jobs despite hating them echo your childhood experience of being forced into situations you didn’t like (being kept at your parents’ workplace). The repeated attempts to start over in different places (Germany, Spain, Poland) and taking jobs you don’t enjoy reflect a struggle to break free from these patterns.
The emotional toll of your upbringing, including being hit by your mother and feeling unloved contributes to your anxiety and depressive episodes. Your recent panic attack and mental breakdown can be seen as manifestations of long-standing emotional pain.
Your “Aha!” moment about needing to pursue your genuine interests rather than roles that don’t fit you is a significant step towards breaking free from your past and finding true fulfillment.
Your challenges in connecting with your girlfriend and feeling bored is related to your childhood experiences of emotional neglect and lack of genuine connection with your parents. The struggle to maintain interest and connection mirrors your feelings towards your parents, whom you described as anxious, boring, disconnected, and lacking a social life.
Your negative feelings towards your girlfriend’s mother and the difficulty in spending time with her might be projections of unresolved anger and resentment towards your own mother.
Your frequent cycles of starting over in new places and jobs without finding lasting satisfaction reflect a deeper search for identity and purpose. The realization that you should pursue what you truly enjoy (fitness training, photography, etc.) is a crucial step in your personal growth.
Expressing bottled-up emotions and confronting his past traumas are essential steps in your healing journey. By acknowledging your true interests and letting go of roles that don’t fit, you can start to build a life that aligns with your authentic self.
In 2018, you shared about your strong attachment to your parents as a young child, which turned into resentment and hatred as you grew older due to feeling controlled and lacking personal space. These contradictory feelings of wanting to go back to your parents (as an adult) despite knowing there’s “nothing for me there” reflect deep-seated longing for connection that isn’t there. Your fluctuating feelings towards your parents, from resentment to a desire for connection, reflect an ongoing struggle to reconcile these complex emotions. Your efforts to reconnect with them indicate a desire for resolution and healing.
The tension between conforming to roles imposed by others and pursuing your true interests represents your struggle for authenticity and personal fulfillment.
(Later): I’ve been reflecting on the experiences and emotions you’ve shared, and I wanted to offer a thought that might be significant for your journey of self-discovery and healing: it seems to me, that your ongoing, or repeating desire and quest to connect with your parents is a trap in itself. While seeking a connection with parents is natural, it’s possible that this quest is also keeping you tied to past pains, and limiting your growth.
What if the first step towards freeing yourself from these entrenched patterns is to let go of the need to connect with your parents in any kind of meaningful way? This doesn’t mean cutting them off entirely, but rather shifting the focus- on a regular basis- from seeking connection with them to=> => => dedicating yourself to your own emotional well-being and personal growth.
By redefining your relationship with your parents, you might find more space to pursue your true interests and passions without the weight of past resentments and unmet expectations. This shift could be a crucial step in breaking free from the cycles of self-sabotage and dissatisfaction you’ve described.
Remember, it’s okay to prioritize yourself and your healing. You have the strength and resilience to navigate this journey, and every step you take towards aligning with your true self is a powerful act of liberation.
Thank you for sharing your journey with me. I’m here for you.
anita
December 11, 2024 at 2:20 am #440101PanditdevsharmaParticipantProcrastination can often be linked to unresolved childhood trauma, where early experiences shape our ability to cope with stress and expectations in adulthood. Understanding these connections can help break the cycle and allow for healing and growth.
December 14, 2024 at 2:48 am #440529Robi1992ParticipantDear Panditdevsharma,
You know what.. I’ve been thinking about it too and it does make sense to me that I might be hiding from something through procrastination. It looks to me that I might be hiding from discomfort – from experiencing discomfort. Could be the reason why I tend to prefer going for ”easy” jobs instead of more difficult tasks where I’d have to talk in front of people for example.
I should pay more attention to these links I suppose 🙂
Thank you for your insight!
December 14, 2024 at 4:07 am #440535Robi1992ParticipantDear Anita,
Again I had to convince myself to write. I guess it isn’t an easy thing to do although I feel good while writing here. I guess I have to switch to a different mode in order to put myself under my own microscope so to speak. One week has passed since I last wrote, feels more like a month.
I’ve decided to tell that school that I won’t be doing the classes starting with the new year. However, I did leave my CV to other schools these last days. Since I can’t yet live off training people in the gym I guess I have to stick to my online job and some teaching. I’m hoping that at least I can make it more pleasant by sticking to my neighbourhood instead of traveling to the center every time I have a class. It doesn’t make much sense to travel for 45 minutes one way only to do a 90 minutes class and head back home after. I’d rather push my online job more… and not travel for that long – its a huge waste of energy.
I see what’s happening. I’m choosing to do something easy – as easy as possible I’d say. I’d rather do the online job which is a lot easier than teaching. It does pay less but then again… I don’t travel anywhere so that time can be spent working. That makes more or less the same as the teaching job. To do 1.5 hours of teaching I have to spend 3 hours in total. If I worked the online job for 3 hours I’d make as much as I’d make by teaching for 1.5h. It takes a lot less effort… although does get my eyes tired. The advantage? I can do it from my favourite Café – sitting right next to my poster advertising my fitness trainings. The Time is NOW! it says… catchy, right? I can also work from home or anywhere else, while listening to music, making it seem more interesting than it actually is. Its repetitive and mechanical, quite easy and boring.. but somehow I seem to prefer it. It’s more comfortable this way and I seem to want that. And also, I can do it whenever I want.. I can make my own schedule. I know already that works for me. The disadvantages? Well… its easy and boring – it feels almost like I cannot fuck up. I also often feel ashamed for taking the comfy way instead of doing something more challenging and hmm.. rewarding? But I find the fact I can work from a Cafe and listen to music, start whenever I want quite rewarding. It’s a tricky one. Teaching, on the other hand.. I don’t think has been really rewarding. Everyone else told me it would be. I know its supposed to help me grow, learn stuff about people and improve my social skills in between waves of feeling like an impostor because I’d have to explain the present perfect instead of having an ”easy” chat with my students about things I’m interested in. So what does that even mean?
I often feel I’d like an ”easy” life.. but highly rewarding. I don’t think it could work quite like that. And even if I did.. I would probably feel frustrated for not reaching my potential. I already do. I guess the comfy job, at least, doesn’t make me redline.
Where have I seen this? Where have I seen the easy life? Does the fact my parents have been overly taking care of my responsibilities for ways too long echo into my adulthood? Is it my father.. who always seemed eager to do as little as possible and relax as much as he can? I don’t know.
I keep running and I don’t seem to want to root myself anywhere. The moment I start growing any roots I want to leave. Why am I even here in Warsaw? What am I doing in this cold country? Why am I wasting my years living an unrooted life? Don’t I want to build anything? Don’t I want a family? These days I’ve been thinking more and more maybe I shouldn’t be here at all. Maybe I should break up with my girlfriend and of course…( you guessed it ), start over. I find myself having to find reasons for being in this relationship and question if I actually love my partner. I thought that’s why I first moved from Spain to Poland the first time, and the second time this year. Sometimes all this is so confusing. Let me guess.. same philosophy applies here too? Easy job, easy life, easy relationship. I seem to want to live a life of no effort at all.
I often want to run away from all this. I’ve seen it in others too throughout the years. I understand it but I find it hard to make sense of. At times I feel like I’m exactly where I should be, right now and I am, one day at a time, making progress towards reaching a higher expression of myself. I truly believe that – but I often seem to forget all about it and act the opposite. Instead of being grateful I am ungrateful. Instead of treating myself with compassion I treat myself with very heavy criticism. I thought by having a well organised daily practice, I’ll be able to remove some of the fog and operate from this ”better” version of myself who is grateful and compassionate. The one who feels confident he can reach his higher potential.
Don’t get me wrong.. I do feel a lot better after doing my morning breath-work, meditation or yoga, after doing my workout or after listening to an inspiring podcast – but I still seem to fall back in the ”dark”. It’s almost like seeing where you’re going but experiencing some interruptions. Feels like a fog coming out straight out of the very path I’m walking on.
It’s all ups and downs. Ups are pretty high up… downs are quite low down. There is one thing that keeps popping in my mind. I want to change my mindset. I want to change the way I live my days. Maybe I need better routines, maybe I need better time management. There has to be a way to improve my well-being by making use of everything I’ve learned so far. At least I’d like to believe so. Maybe, again.. I’m not putting my eggs in the right basket. Maybe my efforts has to be channeled in a smarter way.
Take good care Anita,
I hope winter is nice there where you are 🙂
Robi
December 14, 2024 at 1:36 pm #440569RobertaParticipantDear Robi
What if you are chasing after a fictional happiness? Some of what you have here & now has that potential to be your happiness, your girlfriend, a job that does not involve a stupidly long commute giving you time & flexibility to do the things that nourish your body & mind. If you are always chasing that elusive “what if something, some one, some place is better” happiness & contentment in the here & now will allude you. Moments of small hapinesses do add up to make the whole.
kind regards
Roberta
December 14, 2024 at 2:52 pm #440580anitaParticipantDear Robi:
Robi, June 8, 2018: “’I’ve never really liked my parents that much. Well. when I was really young (kindergarten young), I used to cry every time they took me there and I used to love spending a lot of time with them, but I guess things changed on the way. I began not really liking them or respecting them that much. One of the things I hated about them was the fact that in secondary school, after my courses I had to go to their workplace and spend the day there with them until they finish and go home together. I didn’t like that. I wasn’t really doing anything but existing there.“.
Robi, Feb 18, 2024: “I was born in ’92 in Eastern Europe and I grew up in a flat with my parents. I didn’t have my own room, or my own space – that wasn’t a priority for my parents. Most of my childhood I’ve lived in a guest room which served also as a storage room for my parent’s stuff. The door was made of glass, so I’ve had no privacy. No effort has been made to make the room more suitable for me. I often felt like I wanted to hide, to keep something to myself…During summer holidays we would go to our lake house. We would spend months in total there. I hated it. I kept telling my parents I didn’t want to be there, but the answer was always the same. They didn’t want to spend their time in the city, they wanted to relax. Similarly, at the lake house we all slept in one room, and I didn’t get much space for myself. Also, I’ve had no friends there. I felt alone and caged.“
Robi, Dec 14, 2024: “I keep running and I don’t seem to want to root myself anywhere. The moment I start growing any roots I want to leave. Why am I even here in Warsaw? What am I doing in this cold country? Why am I wasting my years living an unrooted life? Don’t I want to build anything? Don’t I want a family? These days I’ve been thinking more and more maybe I shouldn’t be here at all. Maybe I should break up with my girlfriend and of course…(you guessed it), start over. I find myself having to find reasons for being in this relationship and question if I actually love my partner. I thought that’s why I first moved from Spain to Poland the first time, and the second time this year. Sometimes all this is so confusing. Let me guess.. same philosophy applies here too? Easy job, easy life, easy relationship. I seem to want to live a life of no effort at all.“-
My analysis of the above (the boldfaced are your exact words taken from the above quotes): I think that you want to live a life of no effort at all because you are exhausted from years of running away from being alone and caged with parents who did not understand you, having no space for yourself, not doing anything but existing, and then running back to being alone and caged. Then running away and then back.
I think that as an adult, you’ve been running physically, more like flying to different places, away from home aka the cage. But way before that you’ve been running back and forth emotionally, and that has been exhausting. You could be just sitting there, but running-inside, unsettled, stress hormones secreted into the blood, making the heart run, or more accurately, prepare to run by pumping more oxygen into the blood, reaching the muscles, preparing for a physical run that never takes place.
The early part of you that used to cry every time they took you to kindergarten, the part of you that used to love spending a lot of time with them, that part is still within you running toward your parents, emotionally running, sometimes physically (flying back home to them). There is another part of you that changed on the way and began not really liking them or respecting them, even hated them. This part is within you, running away from them.
There is a conflict between these two running parts, and the running is exhausting. no matter you get so exhausted in regard to work and your relationship with your girlfriend. Everything is exhausted when there is a serious, ongoing conflict within.
If all of you wanted to run away from your parents, life would’ve been so much easier for you and autonomy accomplished. It’s the conflict that’s exhausting you and keeping you stuck.
Fact is that your parents- for whatever reasons- disregarded your emotional and social needs, and therefore, your childhood was marked by neglect/ an absence of emotional support, and lack of personal space, leading to your long-standing feelings of restlessness and uncertainty, feelings that accompany a sense of alienation/ of not belonging.
Is this analysis of any help, Robi.. maybe?
As far as winter here, it’s very, very windy today, scary windy.
anita
December 16, 2024 at 5:28 am #440743Robi1992ParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you! I read it a few times yesterday and this morning. It makes a ton of sense to me 🙂 Thank you for putting all these piece together!
I’m now in my favourite cafe, with my computer and my girlfriend. I’m doing some of that online job while my girlfriend is organising her schedule. Kool and the Gang – Cherish the Love is playing in the background. I’ve just realised that I very much prefer working like this. I feel good. I might feel comfortable.. but that, right now feels good. There are many things I am grateful for every day. I could be even more grateful for sure. But I’m working on it.
What you said before resonates with me. It makes sense – both in my mind and heart. I’ve noticed for many, this end of the year has been very intense and purging. Many old habits and paradigms have been questioned in many ways. I am quite interested in astrology too, (not sure you are) and I’ve noticed a lot of the predictions really resonate with the things I’m currently dealing with.
I think I’ll try to focus on this online job more, and maybe try finding some more opportunities like this one. Hopefully, next to this job some other training or teaching opportunities could be added. The thing is.. I seem to not like working in schools – being asked to do things in some specific way, having people coming to observe my class, asking for 7 milion reports a week, etc. I’d like to have more control of my work environment.
I keep thinking… Okay.. I see what’s up. I now, see more than before. I now, see where most of my struggles are rooted. That’s great. But.. now what?
I think that’s often the case when we start getting the glimpse of the things that have been slowing us down, keeping us stuck or making our life feel like hell on earth. Either way, some changes need to be done. That’s the thing. There are always small or big changes we make.. we come up with all kinds of new habits or new ways of doing things based on that we know so far about ourselves and our goals. Now, knowing more.. a new set of changes will follow. I guess that’s what I should be focussing on.
What do you think?
Thank you!
I wish you a nice day!
Robi
December 16, 2024 at 11:39 am #440758anitaParticipantDear Robi: You are very welcome! I will reply further later.
December 17, 2024 at 6:35 am #440793anitaParticipantDear Robi:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It’s great to see you embracing changes and finding a work environment that suits you. Working from a café with your girlfriend and enjoying music sounds like a nice setup.
It’s good to read that the message resonated with you. This year has indeed been intense for many, with lots of changes and challenges. Your interest in astrology makes sense if it helps you understand your experiences better.
Focusing on your online job and finding similar opportunities reads like a smart move. Since you’re not a fan of the structured environment of schools, exploring different options where you have more control is a great idea.
The “now what” question is crucial. Knowing the root of your struggles is a big step, and now it’s about making changes that align with this new understanding. Start with small, manageable changes and build from there.
You’re on a promising path. Keep going, and I wish you all the best in your journey.
anita
P.S. Cherish the Love is a great song choice! Music can really elevate the mood.
-
AuthorPosts