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January 14, 2015 at 8:01 pm #71365Matt RParticipant
I am a mid-forties man with a successful career. I was married for 15 years to a woman who I have two children with. One night, about 7 years into the marriage, I woke up and found her in a chat on Facebook with a man. It turned out she was having an affair with him. It took six months and multiple lies and crazy making for her to finally confess. I actually allowed her to blame me for her cheating on me – saying that I was too involved with my son and work. I then worked to forgive and move past this. During this, she also lied and amassed tens of thousands of dollars’ worth of debt, multiple times – lying and concealing each time. I enabled her and continued paying off the debt. A few years later she had a lengthy, on-going affair with my immediate supervisor at work. Again, multiple lies, deflection, etc. continued for years. It wasn’t until he retired that she told me the truth about that affair. Following this were all kinds of lies, debt amassing, etc. I tried to leave but couldn’t – my connection with my children was too strong. So, I stayed, ending up sleeping in different bedrooms for 3 years and developing crazy amounts of self-defense mechanisms that made me numb to the humiliation, anger and betrayal of numerous people I thought were friends. (She contacted many of my peers and friends at work in flirtatious manners). I finally moved out when I couldn’t take it any more. Fast forward several years and I have met and remarried to a wonderful, spiritual, gorgeous woman who is amazing. Here is the problem – I have been told by two therapists I have PTSD from the marital infidelity in my prior marriage. My wife is active on Facebook and has installed the app with her sign on and password on my phone to have no secrets. I find that Facebook triggers massive panic in me and distrust – for a woman that I DO trust and a woman that is incredible. I anguished for hours today – crying like a fool for 6 hours! – because of a person who “thumbs upped” a few of her posts and has made comments that are innocuous in nature on her posts in the past. He doesn’t even live on the same side of the country! For some reason, I snapped and can’t take Facebook. It’s always made me uncomfortable. My wife was patient and understanding and knows why I have the triggers I do. I can’t say enough good things about her. So why the hell can’t I let go of the past hurt and embrace this woman who wants to have a baby with me and a future together with me? Why was I crying like a fool for hours today – and this week, intermittently……I have seen therapists, though that’s helped in smaller ways. I found that the humiliation, betrayal, etc., that I felt for years and years has created a permanent hyper-vigilance in me that I want to rip out of my soul. I scan rooms for “threats” when I go out to dinner with my wife. I am insecure. I feel weak but my wife calls me incredibly strong for fighting through this the way I have. The wounds and hurt are remarkably deep and tangible. How can I wholly trust my remarkable wife, without the pain of the past ripping into my mind and creating chaos? The blur between real and imaginary is so incredible when irrational PTSD triggers kick in. Does anyone have any thoughts, help, suggestions? I am truly in need of healing. Thank you.
January 14, 2015 at 8:38 pm #71368KyniskaParticipantHi, mattr. I’m really sorry you’re hurting like this, and I’m glad you have a supportive partner who wants to help. I think you answered your own question, though. You have PTSD. There’s no “letting go of the past” when you have a psychological illness. You can’t “let go” of an infection or a broken leg. I had PTSD symptoms from a breakup 2 years ago that are just now starting to clear up. For me personally, I just had to get through it. There was no way around it, I had to keep going to therapy, taking my medications, learning positive thinking patterns again, resting when I was tired, and just not giving up. I’m sure others will weight in with their own thoughts but my advice is just to keep going. See a therapist if that helps. I journaled a lot, focused on self care, and worked through things as they came up. If you do get triggered, ride it out, then when you come down, try to see what happened and why. I wish I had better advice, a way to faster results, but in my limited experience, it’s just time and effort. It sounds like you do trust your wife as much as you are able to, and that’s not a small thing. I still have trouble trusting people or letting anyone get close to me at all, so I think you’re doing well. I know it hurts though, and I’m hoping the best for you.
January 14, 2015 at 9:24 pm #71370Matt RParticipantThank you Kyniska. My wife is indeed a supportive partner, and for that I am blessed. I don’t want to be overdependent on her to help me with this, as that, too would be unhealthy. This is a journey I have to make on my own, but it is a remarkably strong and painful process. I do like your comparison of PTSD to a physical injury and I had not really though of that before. I have always been against medication – for personal fears that it will change me and professionally they can affect my work. I do journal but get annoyed with myself when I write too much. I can meditate sometimes, which helps. For me, the worst part is if I meditate on it, I can actually FEEL what it is to be in a fully trusting, open and caring relationship and it FEELS wonderfully liberating. My wife is already there with me, but I cannot join her as easily. I am still so fearful of being hurt, betrayed, the subject of an unspoken joke. It’s amazing – I think there’s a whole mass of people on the planet that are probably very nice, but very wounded. We all respond so differently to hurt. I built this amazing wall to keep out those invisible arrows to my soul. As soon as I started tearing it down to open myself up to my wife, the old enemies were still at the gate shooting arrows. Healing is a difficult process.
January 15, 2015 at 2:13 am #71371KathParticipantI feel with you! I am in a similar situation, for different reasons.
I just figured that these strong feelings are almost like a panic attack, so right now I am trying to treat them that way, with some tiny differences.
The first thing I would do is to delete her facebook sign in from your phone, and to actually unfollow her actions on social networks. You are close enough to her on a daily level. Otherwise you get worked up in a network of triggers and the desire to control each and everything, which you can’t. It gives you and her more freedom and is one step to learn letting go.
You cannot prevent anything from happening, or her from leaving or being tempted. She has decided for you, because you are a wonderful person! And even if she decides against you (I’m triggering you right now ;-)) you still stay a wonderful person!The other, more important thing you could do (which I just have been doing yesterday and still feel excited about because it was such an insight) is to write down EVERY possible trigger:
Which behaviours? Which situations? Which thoughts?Then write down which fears are triggered by that (be as precise as possible), and which beliefs work behind these fears. (For instance “She will leave me for someone else.” (I’m not good enough)
“I will go crazy.” (I cannot survive on my own)
and whatever you can think of.There are usually different parts in you that try to protect you. With me I have a part that blames and gets angry and wants to end the relationship to prevent getting hurt. Another part I have is that of a child that was helpless and left alone, and now is afraid of not surviving and gets very sad and afraid and desperate.
In the end you need to find out what these parts are in you, and understand and accept each and every one of them. When a trigger comes, you can listen, see what the trigger is, follow the thoughts and fears that come up and identify to which part they belong. It’s pure analysis, but it helps, because it teaches you to seperate the situation from your feelings and to accept these feelings and the parts of you that create them.
One more thing that might help is A) a letter you write when you feel good about yourself. It should be a compassionate letter from your grown up, healthy self to your hurt and vulnerable self. Tell him that it is ok to feel this way, that you understand him and that you will be with him! Read it whenever you need to!
I don’t know if this is a good idea or if it leads to too much dependancy, but you could also ask your partner to record a message for you, that will tell you that she is with you and loves you and that it is ok how you feel.I hope this will help. Go on looking for help and don’t give up! You can do this! 🙂
January 15, 2015 at 5:12 am #71374Matt RParticipantHi K. It does feel like a panic attack. Ironically, for work I deal with things that scare most people and have almost no fear facing those situations. You’d think that I could survive this emotional onslaught with flying colors. But the mind is so much stronger than the body. I believe you are probably right about Facebook. I have signed on to it maybe 4 times since she installed it on my phone. I signed on to come to terms with it when I noticed this one person more than other making comments. That shouldn’t mean anything but it was a sledgehammer of a trigger that crushed me, almost immediately, yesterday when I signed on and thought that the two of them were on at the same time. Again, there’s nothing beyond that, only the fear and flashback of catching my ex on fb years ago in the midst of her first (I think) of numerous affairs. I want to accept that it’s part of life and culture and that there are good things it brings to our society. But, you are right that at the moment, the nature of my going on there has become twisted. You sound like my former (retired now) therapist. We did a lot of inner child work. My early life was unpleasant and filled with anxiety and challenges. Your advise is all good. Thank you….
For now, I am dealing with anxiety coming home, seeing my wife. She is actually a trigger now too. And in my mind I keep saying to myself that she has done nothing wrong. But I, like you, am possibly pushing to prevent myself being hurt. I would be so very hurt if the relationship were to end. I cannot imagine that happening. But here I am chiseling away at it.
This irrationality of my mind is so frustrating.
January 15, 2015 at 5:41 am #71375KathParticipantI hope it’s a good thing I sound like oyur therapist 😀
I really understand how you’re feeling. I’m starting out as a comedian and last week I rocked a hall full of people with laughter… after I had spend the whole morning crying and unable to go to work.Are judging yourself right now? There is a lot of “I should” between your lines.
“This irrationality of my mind is so frustrating.”
Could this be your inner critic speaking? The part of you that says “Stop this now you stupid idiot or you will ruin everything!” (Belief: You are not allowed to make mistakes. You are not good enough.)One thing I forgot in my list was: Write down every single memory of a moment where you felt those painful feelings for the first time.
Your experiences are really hard, but they are in the past. Your body and your mind need a lot of work and time to understand this, so be patient with them!
You can be really proud that you are in a relationship after all after this shit, and that you are facing all that pain and fear! Congratulations! 🙂January 15, 2015 at 6:54 am #71376InkyParticipantHi mattr,
This is a band-aide, but it may help calm down some triggers. IMO, your wife should delete her FB account. Other than keeping up with family members and old friends, there’s no reason for it. It will simplify your lives and she will email, call or see the dozen people she actually wants to have contact with.
And the guy who “Likes” more often than other people? Some people LIVE on FB, even guys. I wouldn’t worry.
Your ex-wife? Cheating was already in her nature. But with social media it just makes it a lot easier and thus a lot more common.
Blessings,
Inky
January 15, 2015 at 7:10 am #71377KathParticipantHi Inky! Don’t you think that is pretty tough? Shouldn’t his wife decide for herself whether the FB-Account is important for her? Where is the border? You could also argue that talking on the phone, writing messages or meeting with other people is not necessary…
Controlling someone else does not help to fight the feelings, and you actually will never be really satisfied but just go on to try and control more and more… This does not create trust, but undermines it in my opinion.
It happened to a friend of mine, who tried to calm her boyfriends fears and jealousy all the time. They broke up because he still couldn’t take it and tried to control her whole life, while she became more and more isolated. I think you cannot live without trust in a relationship.I think that you are right that social media encourages a lot of stupid stuff, but his wife has already laid open her account – which I think is a very strong gesture and shows that she uses it thoughtfully. Asking her to delete it would somehow diminish that gesture.
However, that’s just what I think… and I am myself in the position of the person who is jealous.January 15, 2015 at 7:46 am #71378InkyParticipantThen maybe he should just delete the app? It’s not about controlling her ~ it’s more about getting rid of the FB icon that triggers him. Know what I mean? It wouldn’t cure anything, but it would sure as heck calm it down for now while he does other stuff. What do you think?
Inky
January 15, 2015 at 8:37 am #71383Matt RParticipantI appreciate the candor in both of your responses. I do not want to be controlling. My wife last night offered to delete the person who was bothering me from her “friends” area. She clarified that she has never privately chatted with him, etc and their correspondence is simply by commenting in an occasional post. Based on that and a need to trust, I told her not to take him off, as I didn’t want her to voluntarily or involuntarily feed my monster. She’s actively involved in spiritual, scientific, home improvement groups on Facebook and asking her to remove that from her life is not an option for me, as it is a part of her I cherish. Yes, this is a horrible trigger, but I know it’s me that has to be at peace here. It sucks being aware of my own deeply flawed way of thinking but not being able to manage it effectively. I started off the day again, crying and stuck in that same damn feedback loop of what ifs.
Matt
January 15, 2015 at 8:39 am #71384Matt RParticipantI should also add that she keeps in touch with distant family and friends across the country this way. I would not want to ask her to stop doing that either.
January 15, 2015 at 11:48 am #71393KyniskaParticipant“I have always been against medication – for personal fears that it will change me and professionally they can affect my work.”
That’s fine, I was against medication for the same reasons and it does take some work to find a balance that suits you. I won’t tell you to get on it if it’s not for you, but I want to add that I would have had a much harder time without meds. My brain was the problem, so trying to get better using my brain was something of an exercise in futility. I really feel more like myself when I’m on them, but that’s just my experience and I have type II bipolar disorder, so I have no idea if they would work for you or not.
“I am still so fearful of being hurt, betrayed, the subject of an unspoken joke.”
This really resonated with me, as one of the reasons I was so guarded is I felt like people really disliked me behind my back, thought I was laughable or pathetic, even good my friends. I’m still coming to grips with the fact that nobody really thinks about another person’s problems enough to form such a strong opinion of them, they’re usually too busy with their own. Like I said, it is a work in progress. I hope yours goes well, and it’s good that you know what it feels like to trust fully, even if you can’t stay in the space all the time.
January 15, 2015 at 12:53 pm #71396JDParticipantI was in a similar relationship for over 25 years I enabled ,made excuses for her ,took the blame for her actions and although I didn’t realize it I never had a name for it I have experienced PTSD as a result of her affairs
certain places or things would trigger thoughts it was really hard I told her that I had forgiven her but in reality I needed to forgive myself for putting up with those things for so many years you cant forgive her or anyone else if you cant forgive yourself first think about that try to focus on that her character flaws are not your problem anymore they had nothing to do with you have a new wife whom you trust and love very much live in the moment don’t let the actions of your ex steal one more minute and why worry about something you have no control over there’s nothing you can do about it believe me I know its easier said than done and I wish you well I’m sorry you’re going through thisJanuary 15, 2015 at 2:38 pm #71400YueParticipantHi Matt,
You have demonstrated some amazing insight into your behaviour and made signficiant progress into your recovery. Instead of letting your need to control your behaviour (e.g. asking your wife to delete her Facebook account), you can recognise that a) it is not going to help and b) that it is likely to feed into your negative emotions. I agree with K Schmidt in that you should probably delete Facebook from your phone and computer (though your partner should keep hers) because it is a lot easier to relapse into that behaviour when the temptation is all around you. Like any addiction, the first few weeks will be tough but as you stop feeding the beast, it gets weaker and weaker by the day until it no longer hold sway on you.
It sounds like you still have emotions to process from your past relationship and unless it is acknowledged and given time to grief, it will sneak up on you on the worst possible moments. I remember once reading something that our mind is like a garden and if we are not vigilant in weeding out negative thoughts, they will eventually kill all the flowers. Try to start a day off with positive thoughts, such as the things that you feel greatful about in life as they have a way of shaping how we feel for the rest of the day. At the evening before you go to bed, think about the events of the day and how you feel about those things. At the end of the day, allocate a bit of time to go through the what happend that day and how you feel about certain events. For example, when you had dinner with your wife, you felt threatened by the other guests in the resturant. But instead of judging yourself thinking what a silly thought it is or what is wrong with you for feeling this way, sit with that feeling and tease out what instigated that emotion. Once you understand it, reframe it into a positive light. For example, you acknowledge that your wife is a beautiful woman and of all the people she could have been with, she choosed to share her heart and her life with you. Therefore, there must be something about you that she finds appealing. This probably includes some of the things that you consider as “flaws” because when someone is willing to show their vulnerability to another person, it demonstrates a lot of trust and courage.
January 15, 2015 at 4:50 pm #71405Matt RParticipantHi and thank you for your response. It’s been another long day where I bottled up my emotions and started crying the second I got in my car to leave work. Thank you for your encouragement though I don’t feel I’ve made progress. This behavior has gone on for years though Facebook is the trigger du jour and it is a horrible one. I do not want to try and control my wife as that will diminish our relationship. I just want to feel better. There seems to be a boundless amount of grief pouring out of me and I can’t help but think it’s fear of losing my wife. That just seems pathetic to me. I don’t want to be lied to or made a fool. I feel white hot rage in me and I just want the emotions gone. When I’m like this all joy leaves me and I feel dead inside. There’s so much darkness in me I don’t know if I can focus on the good things around me. Thank you for your insight and thoughts though. I will try, as you make salient points. Matt
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