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  • #58801
    Big blue
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    Hi there,

    I’m decompressing from the week and wondering about relationships that might be. So, I’ve got some questions about values for the group….

    What role do your values play for you, both short term and long term – for yourself, and for a relationship?

    Are we true to them? If not, what does it mean? Can they change? For example as we grow, have life experiences or age?

    What if you are attracted to someone, but your values are way different?

    Can we expect other people to change to better fit our values, or what if we try to change our own?

    What are your key values?

    Big blue

    #58802
    The Ruminant
    Participant

    Hi to yourself!

    OK, I wrote a response, then I looked up my own values I had written last year (and posted them on another website, which is why they have explanations and are written in English despite that not being my native language). Now I’m reflecting your question again against the values I had written before and decided to delete my initial response 🙂

    My initial thought was that I would be OK with someone having values different from mine, as long as both would respect the other person’s values and would maintain their own integrity. I’m not so sure now. Looking at my own values, I don’t think I could be with someone who would think in a completely different way. I also am not attracted at all to men who lack values of their own. I would love to inspire a man, but I don’t want to influence him to the point that he would just abandon his own beliefs at the drop of a hat to adopt mine. I have met *many* men who are ready to agree with me or change their own opinions just because they wanted to please me, and it has never pleased me 🙂

    I do think that values can change as we become more experienced about the world. We mellow and become more accepting and realize that there is not just one right way to do things and the ultimate truth is quite unobtainable to us mere humans. Being flexible and understanding could also be a value 🙂

    Anyway, here are my values:

    Respect towards all people and other living beings
    Respect doesn’t have to be earned. Respect is something that you have in your heart and mind. Being respectful towards others, regardless of who they are and how they behave is in my opinion important. Everything has value. Mocking other people and calling them stupid is an ugly thing to do. To see someone as having less value and pointing that out is the mark of an immature and insecure person. We all have those moments, but it shouldn’t be a continual state of being.

    Being courageous
    Everyone has bad days and we all get hurt and become fearful. Lashing out during an initial shock is understandable. Yet, when the moment passes, one should take time to heal the wounds and strive to move forward with courage. Seeing fault in everything, complaining and whining and fearmongering will not only cause damage to that person, but to everyone around them.

    Honesty and authenticity
    This one is difficult, because we can easily lie to ourselves and still think that we’re being totally honest and authentic. Sometimes things can be so difficult and painful to look at and admit to, that we simply deny the reality and create an alternative one. Still, it’s something we should strive for.

    Supporting, encouraging and protecting others
    When someone makes an effort to be authentic or show their vulnerability, it may spark fear in others who aren’t prepared to do that. I know I’ve felt that. Yet, those who are courageous enough to open their hearts should be supported and encouraged. We need to protect and nurture life, not destroy it and live as zombies.

    #58809
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi The Ruminant,

    Thank you for sharing your perspectives, plus your list of values. I have no values, and I agree with you entirely! .. Just kidding. Sometimes we’re pleasers by nature and then on top of that we want a date. That is a really bad combo isn’t it?

    I’m looking forward to seeing what others write.

    Big blue

    #58822
    Matt
    Participant

    Big Blue,

    I enjoy your question, and pardon if I answer it a little backwards. 🙂 To me, the question comes down to morality, such as rules we force ourselves to follow, versus wisdom, such as knowing what is and choosing skillfully.

    Consider “don’t punch the kid next to you”, for instance, is a value, moral, a rule that seems helpful. When we’re four, its good to have such rigid structures. “Don’t go near the stove, bedtime, chew your food”, and so on. These lessons build into a morality, a way of moving, choosing.

    As we develop, we can trade morality for wisdom. “Right and wrong” dissolve into “true and false”. We don’t have to consider punching our neighbor “wrong” or “bad”, we can simply see how it causes four wounds, so why make that choice? (Fist, neighbor, our mind, neighbors mind). Osho said that being moral is about being alert. When alert to the karma, the effects of our choices, we naturally choose more skillfully. We don’t choose to burn our hand needlessly, so “stay away from the stove” drops as a rule. Etc.

    How this ties into romance, and intimate connections, isn’t so much “value conflict”, in my opinion, but rather “different vision”. My teacher advised me that it wasn’t sharing desires, values, or hobbies, (though those help), but rather whether or not the couple is seeing the same basic things. Looking out at a similar world. Mountain to climb? Garden to tend? Rome to conquer? What’s the theme of your song? The flavor of the view?

    When the same basic vision is being shared, the wisdom grows in the same direction, and so do the explorers. Value conflicts become simple to compromise, because the core of the intimacy remains stable, fertile.

    Namaste, friend, and thank you for all the delicate light you share.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #58826
    Inky
    Participant

    Great Question!

    But, ultimately simple ~ Remember the quote, “All happy families look the same, but each unhappy family is different in its own way”?

    Well, Good Values are all pretty much the same. They are all Universal Qualities, that any peoples, from any culture, at any time, can resonate with. Truth; Honor; Integrity; Honesty; Family; Friendship; Love; Loyalty, etc., etc.

    If something or someone is off your value system, if your values change ~ were they true values to begin with?

    When in doubt, Golden Rule and all that!

    #58881
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi Matt and Inky,

    Thank you for your insights on this question.

    I very much appreciate that a couple needs to share the same basic vision, as Matt says. And, I agree with the list of values by Inky.

    Big blue

    #58883
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Thanks everyone.

    Hi Big Blue

    I had to think for a wee bit so that I could articulate my thoughts here. I am not a fine writer like others 🙂

    Grew up with heaps of universal values like most of us do in a happy family and surroundings. All good up to a stage in life, whereby I realised that if I wasn’t too careful about their use in my life, I was actually strangling my relationships with an invisible rope knowingly or unknowingly.

    Who has created all these values or traditions or cultures ? Humans, right ? Human change so do values change (in my opinion) depending on their phase of life. Some change with life experiences and others change with wisdom.

    At the core of each being (perhaps at a soul level), there are values, which define and connect each of us – unconditional love, purity, peace, acceptance, forgiveness. Each religion defines these values in their own way. We often see these qualities in a very young child and they get eroded bit by bit with environmental conditioning as we age.

    Can you be attracted to an individual with a different set of values ? For me the answer is: Absolutely as at the core level, the values remain the same. Environmental conditioning may have changed our values on the superficial level but when we hit crisis, we see the core values immerge quite distinctively.

    I have evolved a lot myself in a short span of time and so have my relationships. Superficial values do not define them anymore as I am happy to accept the other person for who they are. If they are not willing to accept the same, that is ok by me and I move on. If they are, we have a decent time. I don’t hang on to them tightly anymore or analyse them to the 10th degree as I used to. Everyone evolves in this world and with that comes an acceptance for everyone and everything (of course, with the right guidance).

    I don’t have a vision of where I want to be or with who and I am not even sure if me and my husband share the same vision as we are 2 different people and we even differ at our basic needs (need for kids vs nil). What we do share is quality time together with an open communication – this has been the rule from day 1 even when we started dating more than a decade ago. He helps me grow and I do the same. We leave the ego out of our marriage most of the time. Did I attract a similar kind innately ? Perhaps, I did. I do believe strongly now that all our relationships and people who come into our lives have been pre-determined (even before we took birth). And the more I understand this, the less values or traditions or cultures mean to me.

    My bigger question (if you believe in this aspect of our existence): Why have I chosen to have these particular people come into my lives and not the other 6 billion or so on this planet ? There has to be some big reason for that. And for me, I have found that it is to do with giving love. They have come into my life to receive love without any expectations for in return. And this is what I am living by currently. When someone tries to make my existence difficult, I give them even more love 🙂 as I feel that we have some unfinished business from somewhere long back LOL. And there are only 2 outcomes of this issue: they either love me back or disappear out of my life for good. Both works beautifully well.

    Does this make sense ?

    Jasmine

    #58940
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi Jasmine,

    Wow! Thanks for putting your thoughts together like this. You really are a fine thinker and writer! 🙂

    I need to marinate on this….

    Big blue

    #59116
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi Jasmine,

    Opening the post just now, as soon as my eyes lighted on these words I got what you were saying.

    unconditional love, purity, peace, acceptance, forgiveness

    Thank you! 🙂

    Big blue

    #59153
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Hi Big Blue

    Not sure which “light bulb” went off ? Care to explain ? Though glad that the words resonated with you at some level 🙂

    J

    #59155
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi J,

    The first part. Unconditional love.

    You had it in your summary also.

    You really are a very good writer.

    Big blue

    #59214
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Thanks Big Blue

    Your compliment put a huge smile on my face. Thank you 🙂

    J

    #59244
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi J,

    🙂

    You are not just a good writer, but your experience, thinking, compassion and direct advice are always very helpful.

    Thanks for all that you do to help people here, me included.

    Big blue

    • This reply was modified 10 years, 5 months ago by Big blue.
    #59252
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Big Blue

    Now you really humble me. I must have done something really good today to deserve such compliments. Thank you so much. You will be in my prayers later tonight.

    Cheers

    Jasmine

    #59268
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi Jasmine,

    Well I guess it’s a double humble!

    🙂

    Big blue

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