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  • #287255
    Giulia
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    I am part of a community school that has a strong culture. I feel disrespected and have found that they prefer other members who support the culture 100%, whereas I might challenge something if it does not fit in with my instincts or knowledge. I am an amenable person, so it is not because I am blunt or bullish. I have discovered that many other people feel the same in the community but no one can say anything because they fear they will be ostracised or bullied by being isolated, talked about badly.

    It is a situation that hurts me, because I feel used since I have given them hours and hours of my time and resource and it has not been appreciated, and they still treat me as if I am not good enough.

    I see people feeling the same way, and I talk to them about it – but I feel bitchy.

    I think it is important to reach out when we see someone else suffering, but I do not like talking badly about someone behind their back. It is a tricky situation as we have to hold our concerns privately.

    I cannot leave yet, it will take time and we would have to find another school for my children and could potentially lose friends and what little support we have.

    I recently went to a meeting to support our children for an overseas trip but felt I was dismissed and laughed at in the meeting because I made a mistake in the way I asked a question. I felt sad that they did not ask me what I had actually meant with an energy of curiosity, or compassion. It was such a small thing, that probably if I raised it they would not understand why I was upset, I would be labelled “sensitive” or “anxious”, but why it hurts is because it is 1 out of 100 times it has happened. Cumulative hurts.

    I can’t change the way they behave – I know I have high expectations in a sense because of how it used to be.

    My question is how can I stop talking negatively about the community but instead, be constructive and move forward?

    #287269
    Mark
    Participant

    Giulia,

    It’s really tough to be the outlier in a tight, closed community.  I think of the Christian Fundamentalists, Amish or the Republican Party here in the U.S. as examples where having different opinions, values, views, etc. are not tolerated.  This is typical of human behavior and evolutionary psychology explains this phenomenon for tribal/cultural mindsets.

    How to stop talking negatively about the community?  You can focus on what pluses the community brings to you.  What are the benefits, what are the good things they have done for you, and how your children have benefited from being part of it.

    Create a gratitude journal just about the community.

    Mark

    #287287
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Giulia:

    It’s been three years since you posted here, April-May 2016. Welcome back!

    Three years ago you wrote, “I have a deeply ingrained belief that if I do what I do what I want to do for myself and my children, then I am not grateful”. You wrote about this core belief: “This is something that permeates all decisions in my life, trying to please others and prove that I am positive and grateful.. I do not do what I need to do because I feel guilty”.

    Your goal then was to “choose based on what is right, to make conscious decisions”, not based on guilt, not aimed at pleasing people at the expense of yourself and your children, but instead, do what is right for you and for your children.

    When you were a child, your father drilled into you the belief that you were upsetting  your mother, “my father would say now look what you’ve done you’ve upset our mother”. And you wrote, “I have been blamed all my childhood- blamed for being me.. blamed for being bullied. It’s a pattern”. You learned early on: “I can’t do anything that I want I have to think about everybody else, I have to please everybody else otherwise I am ungrateful.. selfish”.

    Your husband has been a very irresponsible father and husband. By 2016 you moved about 20 times, 4 times internationally. “He arranged two international moves against my wishes”, you wrote. And he has placed you and your children in uncomfortable, vulnerable situations.

    Since your second and third children were born, about 10 years ago, your husband moved out of your shared bedroom, “so he could sleep, but still wanted to have visits to me for his sexual fulfillment… I live a separate life from my (husband)”.

    Because of the repeated moves, your children had to change schools many times and you were often isolated, “I barely leave the house.. I am extremely isolated”. You have been trying very hard to be a good mother, “I have done peaceful parenting courses.. read the whole library on parenting without yelling books… Everyday I set myself goals…trying to look for jobs, trying to  settle all my kids in the new school, trying to cook 2-3 meals a day, trying to keep the house clean and tidy…I sit with my kids every day and read for 1-2 hours. I  play games with them. I respect their feelings. I listen. I respond”.

    But moving as often as you had without support or help, being isolated, overwhelmed, you experienced rage at times, controlled it well,  but not always: “Today I had a massive meltdown, I really hurt my children with my words.. I shamed them, and rejected them- and I feel so  sad that I hurt them… I’m just so overwhelmed, so lonely, so sad.. . If I could take a pill and it stops me having this rage, I’d take it”.

    You shared that your family of origin were not supportive, were against divorce and “have undermined all my thoughts and feelings about (your husband’s) behavior-saying he’s nice and even that I’m making him behave like this”. You wrote: “I would say that is sure, that I cannot live close to family- it clouds my judgement and brings up too many triggers”. About your mother in law, you wrote: “Since I got married and before when dating, she has made it clear she dislikes me”. You tried to “help her like me by defending myself”. And she blamed you, saying “I make her son irresponsible because I’m not grateful for him”, and yet,  “I have repeatedly tried to encourage my kids  to have a relationship with her… but I have told her they aren’t used to being punished, bribed and threatened as that is her go to, they struggle being around her”.

    Three years ago you were planning on “travelling to the UK to check out schools and options. At this point, April 2019, your son is 12 and your twins are 10. I figure you are still married, 13 years at this point (?), and that you live in the UK (?)

    You wrote three years ago about your hypothyroid condition, “I’m constantly exhausted”, you wrote. And “I have a lot of digestive issues” and un unhealthy relationship with food. I wonder how your health is at this point?

    “my biggest obstacle – sticking up for myself. I fear hurting others, but then end up doing so inadvertently because anger builds up negatively inside me, however much I try to push it down”-

    My thoughts: it is very important that you do assert yourself with people, that you choose according what is right for you and for your children, not according to what will please your parents, or your mother in law, or your husband.. or strangers. It is most important that this anger that accumulates as you try to please people, does not end up expressed against your own children.

    Three years ago you wrote, “I’ve taken great pains to build a community of support around me”. Three years later, yesterday, you wrote: “I am part of a community school that has a strong culture”.

    You gave this community many hours of your time and resources and you also  challenged members of that community regarding their culture, or ways. You feel used, unappreciated and disrespected.

    You suggested that you are considering leaving the community, and you also asked: “how can I stop talking negatively about the community but instead, be constructive and move forward?”-

    -I am wondering, what kind of community it is, a school community or one you live in, a religious community? And by moving forward, do you mean leaving the community or remain there and feel better about it? Also, how are your children functioning within the community?

    anita

    #287295
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Giulia,

    It’s a funny thing about school communities (or any community!). We invariably feel like outsiders, but one day, perhaps years later, we are insiders. You have a fan club. Believe me. They are called The Silent Majority. They just haven’t had the courage to voice their opinions or cheer you on yet!

    Carry yourself and speak your mind on behalf of your Secret Admirers!

    Pretty soon (by the time your kids are the older kids) you will be running the school like a club!

    Be fearless! Those that laugh are merely terrified of your power.

    Outsider at Church, 20 years Later a Deacon,

    Inky

    #287297
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Giulea

    I can’t change the way they behave – I know I have high expectations in a sense because of how it used to be. My question is how can I stop talking negatively about the community but instead, be constructive and move forward?

    I like your question. I often wonder why its so difficult to do the thing and behave in the ways we want.  “For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.”

    Not to be trite but in the words of Yoda for such things there is no try only do. Meaning the best you can do is to become the change you wish to see. This means being very conscious/mindful of when your falling short and then doing better. No judgments against yourself or others, but a compassionate practice of doing better as you learn better.

    #289487
    Giulia
    Participant

    Thank you, everyone. I had to go and take the time to think about what everyone had said. I appreciate your time. And Anita especially for re-linking to my old posts, I can see how I am not breaking through all patterns.

     

    In answer to your questions Anita :

    I moved to the UK. I spent 4 months travelling around the whole country, looking for good schools and jobs that fit around the children, and I could not find a school that was even in a ballpark of affordable or workable.  Nor could I find a job. In the end, my parents could not help me any further, and in the meantime my children’s father gave up his job and threatened to move in with his mum, leaving my children with no maintenance. We do not have access to the welfare system due to having left the country for over a year. In the end, we had to move overseas again because my parents were very stressed as the house was full.  I have been looking for jobs here since I arrived, and though I have two degrees and good experience was only able to get cleaning positions due to the nepotistic culture here.  I cannot afford to get divorced and live separately, but I spend every day working towards that.  But you are right, part of it is other people’s judgement. They see their father and he puts on a good front of being a good provider and husband, so I do fall into the trap of almost feeling ashamed, and having people say I am negative and should keep working in my marriage. BUT we have lived in separate rooms since, and have separate lives.

     

    With regard to the school community – I think I have it in mind to rise above it in the short term, but also leave when I can.

    #289525
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Giulia:

    I will be able to read your recent post and reply when I am back to the computer in about 11 hours from now.

    anita

    #289589
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Giulia:

    I wonder if your husband is currently working and helping financially. You wrote that he gave up his job when you were in the UK the year before, but does he have a job now?

    anita

     

    #289621
    Giulia
    Participant

    Yes, he is now and has made a lot of improvements since attending men’s groups and therapy for the last year.  SO there is that 🙂

    #289627
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Giulia:

    That is a bit of something positive in a sea of negativity. I sure hope things get better for you and for your children! You’ve been having it tough for so long.

    Considering your parents’ lack of help and his mother, all living in the UK, better you don’t live with any of them or close. I just wish your husband got better and realized who really should matter in his life, and that he no longer operates without consideration for these most important by far: his children and wife.

    anita

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