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  • #70750
    Irene
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    Hello,

    I posted a lot few months back when i was in a really bad shape, i lost my job, 4 years relationship, no self esteem and i couldn’t stand myself. Few months after trying to pick myself up, i met a friend through online. We talked, we shared a bond and supported each other. He makes me feel that I’m not alone and he will always be there for me. The problem is, he too has his own issues. He is a drug addict. I tried to advice him to quit, supported him and be there through Skype and chats. Everything was alright for a while, although we do sometimes quarreled because he start using drugs when he had stay clean for days.

    Yesterday he told me he start using it again full time and that he is depressed. He lost his sister that he loved so much years back. She was an addict too and somehow this friend of mine think that he can only stay with his sister through drugs. I tried to make him see that there’s nothing he can do about her death (as I’ve did many times before) and he started to curse at me. I got really angry and said “fuck your sister, get over it. Everybody lost someone and they move on with their life. You have to stop using your sister as an excuse for your behavior, you are dishonoring her life”. Needless to say he went berserk, he started calling me rude names, cursing my family and he told me to kill myself. Then he said he will take a lot of drugs and jump off the bridge.

    I panicked. Part of me think he is bluffing, but i was also afraid what if he really did it and he’s in such depressed mood too.We are miles apart. He is in the US and i’m in south east asia, there’s nothing i could do. I contacted his local suicide line, they dispatched authorities. After a few hours i received skype chat from his parents telling me that the cops has taken him away and he has been charged with drugs possession and conspiracy of murder because the cops read the messages he sent to me about how he want to crush my skull. They told me to stay away from him and that i’ve ruined his life with criminal record.

    I’m heartbroken. As strange as it sounds despite us never meet in real life, i do love and care for this man deeply. He came when i was in such a bad place and gave me someone to talk to and rely on. I’ve been crying since last night feeling so guilty. I shouldn’t have meddle in someone else’s family affairs, i shouldn’t have contacted the suicide hotlines. The last thing he told me is that he doesn’t want anything to do with me anymore and that i ruined his life. I don’t know how to face this, i dont know what i can do to make ammend. I feel so guilty that i’ve ruined someone else’s life. What if he couldn’t find a job because of the criminal record? What if he gets beaten or abused in the jail? How can i live comfortably here at the other part of the world while i make another person suffer? Tihs guilt is eating me alive, it makes me feel like i dont deserve to be happy, theres urge that i should punish myself, starve myself or use drugs to make myself suffer like him. Please, i really need your guys advice, and please dont hesitate to tell me if i’ve really ruined a person life or i shouldn’t have meddle in other people’s business.

    i appreciate your time reading and replying to my thread. Thank you

    #70756
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Irene,

    If you were a paid psychologist and he started threatening suicide, you would be legally obligated to report it to the authorities. So you did the right thing. What if he was serious? Some people are. While he’s in jail, he will probably become clean. Once out, he will know not to talk that way to people, not to intake illegal substances, and never to put certain things in writing.

    You didn’t ruin his life. You saved it. Literally.

    You can’t do wrong when you do the right thing. He is learning how to do and say the right things. That’s all there is to it!

    You Were Right,

    Inky

    #70758
    Kath
    Participant

    Many times, when you try to help a drug addict, you are actually stabilizing him in his addiction. There is no easy way to deal with this. I think that you did the right thing. Imagine he had actually killed himself that night, how would you feel then?

    That said, you have not ruined his life because you are not responsible for his life. He is charged for things he actually did and said… not because of you!

    #70770
    Irene
    Participant

    Thank you for the replies Inky and Kath. I think a part of why i can’t forgie myself is how harsh i’ve talked regarding his sister’s death. I meant no disrespect, all i was trying to do is to make him see there’s no point ruining his life over some fact that we can’t do nothing about. I’ve been repeating the same thing again and again but i lost it wheb he told me he doesnt care what i think. It feels like everything i’ve been doing to support and being there for him for the past 5 months are nothing. The hateful curses and names he called me is another thing that shattered my confidence. Never in my mind i’ve ever thought he could be this hateful towards me. We shared our troubles weaknesses, the bad decisions and past we have. We both let each other see the part where we are the most vulnerable. He told me he would never hurt me intentionally no matter what, and i believed his words. But hearing how a person who know you well call you ugly, tell you to kill yourself shatters my sense of worth.

    We are currently not talking as he told me i ruined his life and he doesnt want anything to do with me. But i miss him so bad, i want to make ammends and hopefully return to where we were before but i don’t have the guts to contact him…i feel so guilty for dragging him to another issues. If i could just stop trying to change him maybe we wouldn’t have argued about his sister’s death.

    #70778
    Irene
    Participant

    What if he weren’t serious about the suicide but now that i make his life harder with criminal record, he plunge further to depression and finally did it…?

    I find myself keep checking on my skype with anxiety and fear that i will find bad news. I hope not. Please. If that happens i think i’ll really lost it.

    #70787
    Inky
    Participant

    Judges are fair AND merciful.

    So OK, here’s one: I caught the neighborhood drug dealer. I “ruined his life”. Everyone in town either loved me or hated me. I had busted out of the “Just Say No” talk to my kids and made everything about the drugs “Not Cool” because, well, a Mommy ruined everyone’s fun times. I didn’t worry about my kid’s reputation, my reputation, the friends, the unwritten rules of our cul-de-sac.

    So what happened was between the three felonies (possession, selling, and intent to harm a minor) the guy got two years of probation. Will it go on his “permanent record”? Maybe. I don’t know. But he wasn’t exactly fulfilling his potential with the drugs anyway, was he?

    If anything, I saved him from that lifestyle and himself. What most of these people do is become (legit) businessmen or work for their family if they have a “background”.

    In ten years contact him. I bet he will give YOU an apology and a THANK YOU for saving his life.

    Believe It,

    Inky

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 3 months ago by Inky.
    #70798
    Yue
    Participant

    Hi Irene,

    For people with a drug addiction, stress is one of the key triggers for their relapses. It often start with something small, like using it recreationally to make the parties more fun but if they are using it to cope with bad times, it is an indicator that they are drug dependant. Over time, this will take away their ability to deal with problems in life and instead, they will continue to use drugs and/or blame others for their own mistakes. Though it’s true that you called the police, he was the one who broke the law. Remember that we are all responsible for our own choices and if you take the full blame for what happend, he can never use this as an opportunity to get out of his cycle.

    After this incident, things will never be the same between the two of you because even if he contacts you again, the guilt will make you go out of your way to make the relationship work. For example, You said that perhaps you should not have tried to change him but is it really friendship to see someone we love doing something that is destroying themselves without saying anything? If this is the path you follow, it will only go on to destroy your self esteem even further as you will be suppressing your true feelings and second guessing yourself.

    This may sound a bit harsh but if you are not happy with your own life, you are not in a position to help anyone else. If you really want to help this person, make sure that you are in a good stable place in your life first otherwise you will just get dragged into all the different dramas.

    #70800
    Chiwonk
    Participant

    I did something like this a long time ago. He didn’t go to jail, but did lose his job.

    Why is it so hard on our psyche when we try to do something nice and we fail?

    When I fall into this trap the first thing I reach for is perspective. Cold Objective perspective if possible. So, bottom line: OMG some stranger off the internet that I’ve only known for months can be mean to me. Honestly, you have not been a part of his LIFE long enough to ruin it. Also, I’m sure you didn’t tell him anything thing he didn’t know or hadn’t been told by others. You didn’t kill him or his family while drunk driving. You didn’t have sex with his wife, share his secrets to the masses nor did you draw any blood.

    Better than that, you shed your indifference and you took a risk and reached out. And then crashed and burned. You tried. YEEAHHH!!! Major points for that. You failed, which is only a minor point loss. You are not a paid and trained psychiatrist, and I’m guessing he knew that, so what is the saying? “You pays your money or you take your chances.”

    Forgive yourself. You tried. Now let it go and think about other things or find another person that could use some of that helpful energy. A few hundred positive interactions with people is the only I know that can build back relationship confidence.

    #70885
    Irene
    Participant

    Thank you for all your kind works, i realized there’s nothing i can do about it. I really pray that this will only turn out good for him as i meant no harm to him.

    @yue, i agree with you. I’m not very happy with my current life and still is struggling with some self love issues. maybe that’s why i’m so desperately try to fix him.

    Losing him kind of opened my eyes how i’m still vulnerable and dependent towards other people. I haven’t been sleeping well and there’s this constant feeling of lost and sadness throughout my days. I know i’m romanticizing the past, there were a lot of times he treat me as i didn’t matter. and ironically i did feel alone too on some days where he wasn’t sober, but i think what gave me a sense of comfort is that there’s always someone i can talk to before i fall asleep. I’m trying hard to move on, i don’t seem to know how to live by myself. Do you guys have any similar experience and any advice?

    Thank you

    #70888
    Inky
    Participant

    Dear Heart,

    Meet other people ~ meet up groups, clubs, worship, gym, neighborhood. Knowing and being friends with a dozen good people will ease your heart.

    Every month try to befriend one new person.

    Blessings,

    Inky

    #70890
    Kath
    Participant

    Do you think if YOU could change or do something different, you could change the relationship?
    You really need to be yourself, and you need him to accept who you are, even if you make mistakes.
    What you can learn from this is that maybe you are not the right person to help a drug addict, and too close to him.
    What he said is extremely abusive! Usually there is more where that came from. Even if you see that he can’t help it right now, this is not doing you any good, especially if you just managed to come out of a tight spot – to be honest, this sounds more like you went from a tight spot into a codependancy.
    You are ok, just the way you are! And your main responsibility is your own health and wellbeing! You can never ever compromise on that! And you can be there for someone if you can afford it emotionally, but you can not fix someone else!

    *hug*

    #70912
    Yue
    Participant

    Hi Irene,

    If you want to meet people, Inky highlighted some great ideas. I find that a good way to ease into making new friends is by interracting with people in a meaningful way in day to day life. For example, when you buy something in a shop, ask the shop keeper about their day and get to know them a bit. It doesn’t have to be anythingdeep and meaningful, it’s just two human beings enjoying each other’s company. Once you started having a chart or even better, share a laugh with a stranger, you will be amazed at how much better your day becomes by these little moments of interraction.

    Once you’ve become accustomed to making friends anywhere you go, you will be less attached to the thoughts and opinions of a single individual.

    #316827
    jessica
    Participant

    To all of you who have guilt for ruining someone’s life, I know how it feels. I am only 15 years old and I have suffered from abuse since I was 13. It may not seem like a long time but for me it felt like an eternity. Ever since the physical contact has been started I have lived in fear of whos going to hurt me next or whos going to call me a P.O.S kid or a walking disease or a heartless bastard when I make a mistake or the wrong face or a comment that was not mean or offense towards someone. I am afraid of saying no to everyone because I feel like if I do then they will end up hating me and then eventually I will be by myself with no one to love me and show me how to love myself. I’m so worried that if everyone leaves then one day my mind, my sanity, my love will just disappear forever and I will just be an empty shell of nothing. I was transferred to my grandparents house after everything at my moms went down. My mother and her girlfriend were arrested for domestic violence towards me. I told the cops it was all my fault that they were hitting me,” I deserve to be punished for everything I have done wrong. I put two people in jail, I have forever lost the relationship I wanted with my mom, she hates me and probably doesn’t even think about me or if I am ok and why would she… I messed up her future. I look at her mugshot because its the only thing I have of my mom I miss her so much and I just can’t stop hating myself for what I have done. The judge put a no contact order against her, So no matter how hard I want to be with her, I can’t help but think that she doesn’t want to be with me because of what I did to her. I feel so lost in this big world and I am drowning but no one truly knows how someone who has been beaten feels like until it happens to them.

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