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September 25, 2025 at 9:29 am #450215
James123
Participantself-improvement. They just want to sell. Don’t buy that.
İf sellers make people feel good, sellers makes money. However, of anyone hears what real Spirituality is, all of you guys run. Because, even in this forum, everyone try to impose them beliefs.
Spirituality is the complete death of the self, therefore your experiences, beliefs, ideas, and everything you “think” you are, including “I am God, infinite”.
What remain is real You and that’s not a belief. İt is the end of you.
That’s it.
September 25, 2025 at 9:43 am #450216Alessa
ParticipantHi James
Lovely to see you around again! 👋
I really enjoyed the insights you shared. ❤️
Today it struck me that this children’s rhyme was particularly poignant.
Row, row, row the boat, gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily. Life is but a dream. 💤
September 25, 2025 at 11:19 am #450224Peter
ParticipantHi James
Defiantly a delicate balance and challenge sharing from one’s experience and engaging in dialogue without it feeling like imposing ones views. Especially in spiritual spaces, where language touches on deep and often ineffable experiences. Dialogue in these contexts seems to ask for a quiet kind of humility: to speak from one’s center without assuming it is the center. Easier said then done..LOL a Jehovah witness just stopped by
September 25, 2025 at 11:45 am #450226James123
ParticipantHi Peter,
The ego is simply attachment to the body.
When it is realized that the body and mind belong to the whole and are one with the environment, the sense of self dissolves.
In that recognition, separation ends and only the present moment remains.From this oneness, love arises naturally—our highest service to humanity.
My words may sound harsh, but they are directed only at the ego, therefore harsh.
Hi Allessa,
It is amazing. Childrens are pure beauty.
Just looking them eyes, amazing. 😍
September 25, 2025 at 12:01 pm #450227Peter
ParticipantHi James
Your words don’t sound harsh to me, though I understand how they could be received as such.
September 25, 2025 at 12:06 pm #450228James123
ParticipantDear Peter,
Moreover, I wish to add that preaching, which is imposing beliefs and ideas are belongs to the ego.
However, pointing out the Truth, completely opposite of preaching. Because, it is non attachment to any beliefs or ideas as before physical birth or deep sleep.
September 25, 2025 at 12:42 pm #450229Peter
ParticipantHi James
Love it. I’m not sure though how to express the warning in the initial post with also not falling in it?
A limitation of language perhaps.September 25, 2025 at 11:21 pm #450251James123
ParticipantHi Peter,
That’s totally fine. As you said, language is limited.
No words can enter.
October 4, 2025 at 8:30 pm #450564Thomas168
ParticipantIf sellers of self improvement make you feel good then they make money??
I guess if they are selling spiritual self improvement then maybe.
Cause aren’t you preaching your knowledge. Could ask what are you selling??
But, it seems you only want spirituality to be the complete death of the self.
While that may be all good in a different context, this forum is for the healing of people hurt, abused, traumatized.
In fact, some are affected to the point of losing their self which makes things worse.Brain washing starts with making a person lose their identity. Their sense of self worth.
Then abuse comes along and the death of self happens. The abused is treated as less than a person.
Pain becomes the staple of life.While what you say amy be true for those in a different state of mind, the people who come here are looking for their self.
They are trying to find themselves. Look at themselves in the mirror.
Learn to know who they are. And force themselves to grow beyond their trauma.So, I read more and more of your posts. They simply ignore the truth of those who come here looking for some healing.
What you present isn’t false. It just lacks the compassion that I would expect from one as wise as you.
What can you say to someone like Laven to bring her mind peace? To restore her self esteem?
I certainly don’t know what to say or do. But, it seems those who have experienced such things do know.
They have the compassion and the ability to reach those hearts and minds.Sorry, I just get stick up my butt when I read stuff like,
“Spirituality is the complete death of the self, therefore your experiences, beliefs, ideas, and everything you “think” you are, including “I am God, infinite”.What remain is real You and that’s not a belief. İt is the end of you.
That’s it.”
Yeah, I am sorry for my post. And I am not attacking. I just feel annoyed that your truths isn’t helping others.
Yeah, I think I should keep quiet from now on.October 4, 2025 at 8:53 pm #450565anita
ParticipantWow! Wow, Thomas168/ Tommy-
You said it perfectly. I am so impressed with you, and grateful that you are back here- honest, direct, valid.
I have a new appreciation of you this Sat night, 8:53 pm here.
🌿🤍 Anita
October 5, 2025 at 1:24 am #450568James123
ParticipantHi Thomas,
The preaching is imposing beliefs and ideas. The absolute is completely opposite. İt is all beliefs and ideas are belongs to separate self or ego. That’s the core of suffering.
One can work on spiritual improvement thousands of hours. Yet, with one bad news, back to suffering again.
Because, all beliefs, ideas, universe arises and falls within.
Therefore, Only way to completely heal is realization of what You really are, which is untouched and always here, and can not be hurt, because there is nothing there.
October 5, 2025 at 7:19 am #450573Thomas168
ParticipantHi James,
Preaching is spouting your beliefs in front of others. Imposing beliefs and ideas is propaganda. The difference is minor in its presentation. All beliefs and ideas are human. That is what we are. Human. With faults and problems. Yet we go on because that is what we do. Yes all beliefs and ideas arise and falls within the universe. But, people do not heal completely all at once. Realization doesn’t happen without knowing there is a separate self or ego. And one can not help others by preaching from the mountain top. But, must come down to see the people as they are and find that which relates to them.
And, as I have said before, there is truth in your words. But, they apply to a certain group with a certain state of mind to receive the words. As someone once said, teach according to the way people can learn and understand. If you do not then you will not reach all the people. Not everyone will understand, “Therefore, Only way to completely heal is realization of what You really are, which is untouched and always here, and can not be hurt, because there is nothing there.” So, if there is nothing there them why do I feel hurt??
October 5, 2025 at 8:35 am #450576James123
ParticipantDear Thomas,
The i is the core of suffering. Therefore, dropping it is inevitable. İ am not speaking top of the mountain. The reason why i am talking this way is no one who impose to have self spiritual healing, dogmas, beliefs, etc… can help with suffering. Because, those teaching have impact on the ego. Yet, ego is so fragile, based on expectations and circumstances.
Therefore, i am not talking top of the mountain, just talking directly.
You should definitely turn inward and be witness of thoughts and feelings. Where does it come from? Who is this i that suffers? Just gently turn inward.
İf you are truly suffering, i am here to help.
There is no other to stop suffering, and only way is the let go the self.
Therefore, as Buddha said, life is suffering.
You are always what You are. Pure beauty. When turning back to source happens, hugging, crying and loving is inevatible.
October 5, 2025 at 6:56 pm #450588Thomas168
ParticipantTherefore, i am not talking top of the mountain, just talking directly.
You are talking as if from the top of a mountain. Not talking of the top of the mountain.
You talk this way because,The reason why i am talking this way is no one who impose to have self spiritual healing, dogmas, beliefs, etc… can help with suffering.
So do you impose to have spiritual healing, dogmas, beliefs, etc so you can not help those with suffering??
There is no other to stop suffering, and only way is the let go the self.
There is. And it is on a different level than the one you speak of. It is to let the person, who is traumatized, know that they are seen and heard. That they are not alone. You see, I am not talking absolutes reality but conventional reality. Not from on top of the mountain but eye to eye. You can’t help anyone because you only see suffering as a result of having an ego or self. Where I see that wisdom and compassion comes from being able to communicate with others at the level they need to understand. To see their suffering and help them in a way that bring comfort and understanding.
This can be seen in the story of master Dogen and the woman whose baby died. The woman could not accept the death of her baby. And pleaded with master Dogen to bring her baby back to life. Master Dogen told her to bring three grains of rice from three different houses where death had never occurred and he would help her. The woman went to every house in the village and the next town. After such exhaustive search, she could not find sucha house that had no deaths. She finally came to accept the death of her baby.
Understanding doesn’t come from proclaiming your suffering will end when your I dies. It comes from the effort given in the search for the truth. A dollar given is never the same as the dollar earned from hard work. One can not achieve the death of the ego by saying I now proclaim my ego dead. So suffering doesn’t stop by letting go of the self when one doesn’t know what a self is.
Yeah, should have taken my own advice and shut the heck up.
October 5, 2025 at 9:35 pm #450589James123
ParticipantHi Thomas,
İt never comes from effort or action. Because, your entire life based on action and effort. Therefore, the absolute is effortlessness.
i had an open heart surgery, right now having a mechanical valve and pacemaker (therefore lost my entire modelling career) and my son diagnosed with tycacardia. So, Life and body have it’s own will. Realization of Truth came with lots of suffering.
Life and body will never go the way that you expected. And if you try to control, your entire life will be in hell and suffering. So, you decide.
Stay with peace.
Best Regards,
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