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  • #288605
    Ik09
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    1. He understands and supports this. He has some family pressure since he is older than me and is 29 (I am 25 and 6months old right now). Despite all this, he says he wants me to have the time to see and explore the world more. He says he is not in a hurry and wants me to complete my degree and get the feeling of earning my own bread.

    2. So before i answer this I have to recount something in his past. His ex, she assured him that her family approved of him till the day he met her parents. They told him on his face that since the communities were different, he does not like him and even made fun of his parents. He says that after this encounter, slowly the ex also spoke of the same dissimilarities her father spoke of and so eventually broke up. Within two months, she married someone else. This happened three years ago. He told me that he would proceed only if my parents agree because he can take it if someone insults him but he does not want to put his parents through the ordeal ever again.

     

    #288607
    Ik09
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    3. He says he sees my sister more clearly now after she used his trust against him. So he knows her hold over my parents. He says she won’t stop trying till the last moment. So, it will be really hard to convince my parents but he says that they are mature people, if they see us succeeding in our respective fields and becoming better in handling our lives, they would appreciate us. He says to outsiders we cannot explain our level of understanding so only time can assure them. Nothing else.

     

    4.  He just wanted me to tell my family that I am still dating him so that they are well prepared in advance about the relationship by the time we go to talk to them about the future if we find ourselves that compatible. He says after this, we shall straightway talk to both set of parents when I have a job as well. He has been working as a software engineer for the past 6 years so he has a stability that I dont have currently.

    #288609
    Anonymous
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    Dear IpkRO9:

    Your boyfriend reads like an intelligent, reasonable man, thinking that if your parents see that the two of you are successful in your respective fields, then they will approve of the marriage.

    Problem is that your parents don’t make the decisions, your sister does. And your sister is not reasonable. Nor does she have your best interest in heart or mind.

    This makes your boyfriend.. unreasonable, not taking facts into consideration and instead wishing and hoping for the best in spite of facts.

    Another thing, “he does not want to put his parents through the ordeal ever again”. But he should not want to put you through the ordeal of going to war for the approval of your sister, working very hard to convince your sister of a relationship, (especially at the stage where you still want to get to know him better, not being ready to marry him).

    This is a lot of work that will exhaust you. It will indeed be an ordeal for you. How can you earn a PhD if you are busy and exhausted with an ongoing turmoil with your family over the relationship with him… This turmoil can take a great toll on your mental health.

    His plan as is- is a bad plan. It will bring you a lot of heartache, it will exhaust you and is likely to harm you. , it is not fair to you, it will not bring him good results.. not a good plan.

    I will soon be away from the computer and will be back in about 14 hours from now. We can continue to communicate on the matter if you want when I return.

    anita

     

     

     

    #288611
    Ik09
    Participant

    Yeah I would love to. I will wait. Your words make sense. It is going to be tough as it is with my career. Convincing people who do not want to be convinced will be a rough ride.

     

    See you later then.

     

    #288673
    Anonymous
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    Read from you later, IpkRO9.

    anita

    #288679
    Ik09
    Participant

    Sure Anita. Also, I talked to my boyfriend about why am I going to talk to her. He said he is ready to talk to my sister but it will just be a FYI, he does not intend to have her approval.

    But he said since you know your sister better, tell me what to say to her to not make things worse for us and when should i do it.

    #288683
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear IpkRO9:

    I want to make sure I understood correctly: am I understand correctly that

    1. Your parents are highly influenced by your sister, that she has power over them and that if she disapproves of a man for you, they are likely to go along with her, and therefore their approval is dependent on her approval?

    2. Your sister has been competitive with you for many years, is not honest and open with you, doesn’t seem to care what you think and feel, doesn’t ask you questions as to what you think and feel, and you are very doubtful if she has your well being in heart and mind?

    anita

    #288691
    Ik09
    Participant

    yes, it is correct.

    My sister does influence my parents. But they have been understanding lately since I have been doing better in my own life ever since I have been with this guy. My mum I feel is slowly warming up but my father is still not even slightly convinced. He says that I have much more to experience (love is something he does not support). They will not downright reject him based on her opinion itself?

    I am doubtful about her yes. I in fact feel that she is holding on to this disapproval more because of her ego than my well being.

    #288705
    Anonymous
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    Dear IpkRO9:

    I took the time to read through this thread. Here is my input:

    Your boyfriend is 29, a software engineer. You completed your master degree and plan on earning a PhD. The two of you are intelligent and educated. And you live in India, where parents’/ family’s approval of marriage is of outmost importance.

    As it stands now, the following items are irrelevant to your future: your intelligence, your education (master’s, future PhD), your boyfriend’s intelligence, his education and job (software engineer), your life experience, his life experience.

    As it stands now, the following is the only relevant item to your future: your sister. So let’s look at what qualifies her to determine your future and your boyfriend’s future:

    – her education: “My sister wasn’t very good at academics”

    – her current romantic relationship (she is about 30): “My sister was supposed to be married but things went wrong”.

    -her honesty, straightforwardness and courage: you asked your sister’s approval of your current relationship, she “talked to him and asked him to call me directly and ask me out this evening.. Once she got off the call with him, she asked (you) to  deny his date request when he calls”, so she is dishonest and indirect, didn’t have the courage to tell  him No, so she told you to tell him No.

    – her being consistent with her word and keeping her word: first she expressed a good opinion about your ex boyfriend and about your current boyfriend, then regarding your current boyfriend, “suddenly she changed her entire opinion about him and told me how bad he was”. Regarding your ex, “When my sister met my ex… She approved at first… she totally went back on her words.. much like this time”, so she approves, then disapproves with no rational reasoning. And she goes back on her words.

    – her honesty, directness, trustworthiness and fairness: she called your mother while you were dating the current boyfriend “and painted the worst kind of image of the guy… She poisoned their minds against me in general and then against the guy”, so she is acting not only against her former friend, but against her own sister. “She ruined his reputation amongst his friends, their mutual friends, and his flatmates”, she lies and easily betrays a person’s trust, her friend’s and her sister’s trust, and she doesn’t deal with the person she is angry with directly, instead she goes to third parties to destroy the person’s reputation.

    -more about her trustworthiness and loyalty: “My sister was a close friend so naturally she knew his secrets. She bared them all to his friends and flatmates… She had gone through my old phone when I was in college, two three years ago.. She saw my conversations with my ex and shared them with my mother and when she saw even that didn’t bother me, then with my dad as well”.

    -her willing to talk through problems, resolve problems and negotiate: “My sister never discusses anything… it’s always she speaking her mind and then walking off… Currently they don’t talk… my sister had blocked both of us on all social media… And there is no communication between me and my sister or him and her…said she does not consider me her sister anymore”.

    — Well, is she qualified to determine your future and your boyfriend’s?

    Let’s look at what your boyfriend thinks: “he feels this period will help us convince our parents and my sister in particular that we are mature enough to not think emotionally but logically”- problem with his thinking is that he doesn’t understand that a person who is not mature(your sister) is not able to notice or care about the maturity of another (you or him, your boyfriend.

    Back to the two of you living in India and needing parents’/ siblings’ approval. Maybe you and your boyfriend, if you … have to have your sister’s approval, maybe you can buy  it. Maybe a certain amount  of money can purchase her approval. For a while at least.

    You can’t reasonably expect a dishonest, untrustworthy, irrational person to be persuaded by ..honesty, trust and rationality.

    Look at your sister’s lack of qualifications in every part of her life, and you will see that it is most unwise to continue to give her the power to determine your life.

    I sure hope that you and your boyfriend put together your intelligence, your education, your life experience and make the best lives for yourselves, individually and in the context of your relationship, instead of placing your… fate in the most unqualified person imaginable to me… it will be difficult for you to find a person more unqualified than your sister, don’t you think?

    anita

    #288709
    Ik09
    Participant

    Your every word connects with me.

    However, in the time I was waiting for your reply. I talked to my boyfriend about this and what if things go towards the worst. that is my parents not agreeing if at all they get influenced totally by my sister. He said that there is no point of keep on fighting and resisting till the very end. So, he wants me to sit and ask her when she comes home that even when she disapproves, will she keep bothering us or just ignore our very existence and live her own life. He said unnecessary stress from her would keep on causing us pain. He said that since she does not intend to work, she will always have extra time on her hands to keep creating a ruckus in our lives till she makes everyone feel how right she is and how wrong we are. And all this will not only distract us from work but also cause stress to me and my parents. So, he said to just ask once and for all, if at all she will never forgive us and just ignore us or will she keep meddling. And if the case is the latter, then he said its best that we walk away because no amount of happiness in a relationship can mitigate stress on the personal front.

     

    I don’t agree to it all completely but he is right in a few things. The current novel I am working on is about such dilemmas and how people with strong institutions go through them and solve them. This plus my education plus a job, I wouldn’t want such useless fights with my family. That said, If it so happens that I have to let go of this guy because of my family, I might not be able to forgive them for putting stupid things before my happiness.

    #288713
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear IpkRO9:

    So your sister is unemployed and has a lot of time to do more destruction, not good.

    Your boyfriend’s suggestion that you should ask your sister if she intends to meddle or leave the two  of you alone is an absurd suggestion because it is already established that she is dishonest, she lies, and she goes back on her word. She goes behind a person’s back and acts against that person indirectly. (Re-read the quotes I placed in my recent post to you for evidence of these things).

    Your boyfriend does not understand that it  is unwise to make choices based on the Word of a person who lies and has the history of going back on her Words?

    anita

    #288723
    Ik09
    Participant

    He is having a tough time realizing who she actually is.

    He says she was a completely different person as a friend- she was caring and understanding.

    To be honest, I am thinking of talking to her in front of my parents about everything and why she thinks it is so important for her to get involved in my life when I don’t try to meddle with hers. If my parents understand and help me make her understand things, then fine. If not, I think I would rather spend my time on my education- my degree starts in June. It is going to be an intensive course and I don’t want to think of things further. If my boyfriend is strong enough to stay and make a life with me- good! If not, I think I am better off focusing on my education and my book(writing makes me really happy).

    I cannot spend more of my valuable time worrying about it, I am even dreaming of this scenario! I have dreamt that I am sneaking around my house with my boyfriend while my sister is trying to find me. Quite symbolic! I don’t want to be in this situation.

    Did you have a good day Anita?

    #288729
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear IpkRO9:

    My day is fine, thank you, still morning here.

    I like your plan to focus on your education and your book, and not spending more of your “valuable time worrying about it”!

    I suggest that you do what it takes to not be at war with anyone. War wears us down and we lose no matter what, so better avoid war. But it is also very important to not submit to an aggressor, and that includes not submitting to your sister. See her as she is. See everyone as they are and then decide what if any interaction you should have with that person.

    anita

    #288735
    Ik09
    Participant

    That is some really good advice. I will try my best to follow up on that. I will let you know how things are going on again in a few days.  Have a great Day then! I am retiring for the night. Will write a little. It’s 12:03 a.m here.

     

    XOXO

    #288743
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I hope you have a good night, IpkRO9. I am glad you returned to your thread and am looking forward to read from you again in a few days!

    anita

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