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April 12, 2019 at 7:02 am #288847JayJayParticipant
Dear IpkR09,
I am so sorry that you find yourself in this situation.
I hope that by telling you of my situation you might find some answers to yours.
My sister is very similar to yours. She is jealous of me for the same reasons that your sister is. I am a high achiever and she has always found it extremely difficult to cope with that. I couldn’t understand why for a long time why she couldn’t just be happy for me, as I was when she achieved things in her life – but always the competition, the misunderstandings, the arguments, the denigration – and the eventual discards. She also deprived me of my friends wherever that was possible, especially in my teenage years, but in later life as well.
We spent a few years not really speaking. But like yourself, it was usually me who made the first move towards making it up, whether it was my fault or not.. it usually wasn’t my fault. But I did it anyway, for exactly the same reason that you do – ‘ because i feel someone has to(we are siblings after all) and i know she wouldn’t…’.
I was also brought up by my grandparents most of the time, and they taught me that I should always love my little sister (she is younger than me by just under three years) no matter what she did. That I should forgive her, no matter what she did. I think that bit got ingrained into my psyche at a very early age. My sister, meanwhile, learned from an early age, that whatever she did to me, it didn’t matter. She would always be forgiven, and not just by me, but by the family. I learned that it didn’t matter what my own needs were, as my sister’s needs were always much more important than mine. She shouted the loudest!
So fast forward to this year. We have had some pretty important decisions to make concerning our mother. My sister still makes the decisions. She will ask me what I think, but my answers are not important to her. If I agree with what she says, then everything is fine. If I don’t agree, then I get the arguments, the trantrums, the dismissal of my views and the discards.
I eventually came to the understanding, (with Anita’s help for some of this thinking – and thanking her again for this!) that nothing was ever going to change. Especially my sister. But more importantly, any change would have to come about by me changing, not my sister.
I eventually realised that I needed to give myself permission to break free from the constrictions that had been imposed/ingrained on me at an early age. We are both a lot older now. I’m now in my 60s. I have mentally broken free of my sister and no longer feel any need to be the first to make up after arguments. In fact, we no longer have arguments, because I won’t even discuss anything with her… there is simply no point. I have given myself permission to put myself first, and part of that is to not engage with her if at all possible. Before this came about, I spent a lot of time either feeling guilty or feeling angry and resentful towards her. Now I have given myself permission to put myself first, things are a lot better. If she ends up not speaking to me, I don’t react. I certainly don’t apologise or creep like I used to. No more the doormat!
You don’t need your sister’s permission to do anything. You can actually go out with whoever you like. You can live your life for yourself and – most importantly – your needs are as valid as your sisters.
Even though our different cultures might have a separate bearing on this, it seems some sisters are the same wherever in the world we live.
I hope sharing my story gives you a little insight into your own sister. And I repeat – you don’t need her permission to live your own life. You don’t need anybody’s permission if you are over the age of consent. It sounds like this man is genuine and caring, and has some insight into how to move forward towards a future together, whilst being respectful of your culture and a need to get things right. Although I agree with what you say:
Also, he feels this period will help us convince our parents and my sister in particular that we are mature enough to not think emotionally but logically. I am not very mature in this aspect and apart from making my parents unhappy, I feel I need not give anybody any explanation.
I also think you don’t need to give anybody an explanation. But that fact that he is willing to try and work around this, does indeed show maturity.
With best wishes,
Jay
April 12, 2019 at 8:05 am #288851Ik09ParticipantHello Jay
First of all, thank you for going through the entire thread and sharing your story. I had been feeling like I was stuck in some kind of over dramatic Tele-Novella but reading your story I feel that it is best that I start being selfish.
Due to all this, the man I am seeing and I, we had a bad night yesterday and a bad day today. Yet he was there, still caring. I have never experienced this, people still caring for me when they are angry. It is not a trait I have seen in my parents either. I have always been taught to compromise and keep things bottled up inside. The result is I am always miserable. I had lost hope of me achieving anything just because of how caged I felt and yet was unable to break through. I have spent hours and hours thinking and crying about my weakness of being there for my family each step and yet they tell me I am selfish and only think about myself. I don’t like reminding people of the things I do for them because then it wouldn’t even matter(if I am doing it only for their appreciation). But I had always made it clear to all of them that I may compromise with my happiness in everything else but not when it comes to choosing my life partner. So the mere fact that I have to talk about ‘him’ again and again defending him infront of my parents and thinking of how to tackle things with my sister, is making me irritated and even a little crazy.
Iwas afraid of losing her as my sister because that’s what she Said. If you talk to him, forget that we are related. And I was in a dilemma should I choose my sister who is my own blood, with whom I have no constructive discussion or anything fruitful OR do I choose the man who is not only patient and understanding as a partner but also a great friend. It’s a big decision to make specially when I need to be calm enough to focus on myself.
Reading your story however I realised that this is not some kind of once in a blue moon situation. There are many siblings who are inconsiderate and they won’t stop being that way. It’s us who has to find our own happiness. If at all, she ever cared for me, she will come around.
If not, I shall have to let go. I will miss her but If she cannot see what actually makes me happy then it is not appropriate for me to try pleasing her and make myself miserable.
Also I remember when I had first asked her about my guy. She told me she does not care whether I ever get a guy who has a strong chemistry with me or if I am ever able to be happy again, she just does not want me to date him.
I think it’s clear what I have to do.
I am really happy for sharing your story and insight. It is beautiful how people go beyond borders of continents and countries and stand along with people in need. World needs more people like you.
Stay strong and stay happy.
Whenever you feel like sharing something, talk to me again. I would love hearing from you and I would do the same for you.
April 26, 2019 at 12:30 pm #291425Ik09ParticipantHello everyone on this thread.
I took time, let things cool down and here I am back here to talk about things.
Due to these ongoing issues, me and my guy got into a nasty fight. Although we recovered but he said let’s take things slow. I often feel like he has become mentally weak after all these episodes. He said let’s take things really slow and let the hurt go away and then maybe talk about love or anything related to it. He seems mentally exhausted.
Now, I recover fast from any kind of issues because I find it stupid to spend time over something I know I cannot solve in a day but he is takes more time. Usually it is a night or a day or at max two days.
It has been seven days after which he called me. The phone call lasted for almost 30 mins, we talked about things here and there. He sounded tired. He said he had a lot of work. He doesn’t text now a days, he used to ask me what was I up to whenever he was free after work, now he doesn’t.
It is a long distance and it has been some 8 months since we have met. I told him so many times that we should meet. He said we should. But he said things have been busy at work, he is trying to change jobs.
The video calls are non existent, I am not trying to portray myself as a desperate person but even the flirting and sexts have stopped for almost 4 months now. He says it doesn’t feel right when so much is going on.
I didn’t push it further as he said he wants to have a stronger emotional bond. But then he told me today that he almost sexted someone. He said he stopped because he realized it wasn’t right but it had been long and he felt driven. He told me that this evening in text and said he is very guilty and didn’t text me for next four hours. It was still early for me to sleep but I said I am going to bed. Earlier, He used to ask me if I was tired or if something was bothering me when I used to say I want to sleep early. Today he said ok good night.
If I call him any sweet names, he sends the nervous smiley in return. Smileys that depict discomfort and nervousness acc to google. I think he doesn’t know this meaning but I am sure he sends it as a “I don’t know what to say to this” Kind of smiley.
I don’t want to get hurt again. At least when I know that I did not do anything to hurt anyone. And in my opinion, if I am feeling distant from my partner, I would convey if I want to sort it out if not I would tell them the actual situation without leading them on.
Now I am also confused if I am overthinking this and it is not a big deal. He is just trying to actually get over the hurt feelings. He said he would meet me in about two months.
I actually really like him, he has been really mature and understanding at even the worst moments. Moments when everyone else would have broken up and walked away but he chose to stay and give things another chance. He didn’t say it this time but he generally says that there can be no end to the number of people we meet and date, you and I can go on dating numerous people all our lives or we can make this work and be happy with each other. I don’t see that spirit in him anymore. He still texts me sometimes when he feels I have not texted in a long time(4-6 hours) and sometimes I feel he even missed me, but then he can simply be bored and thought conversing with me won’t be too enagaging so he can resume work soon after.
I don’t like the way I am spending too much time thinking about his moves and his behavior. I have my own work and studies to look after but then I am getting bothered. I want to not care and be as casual as possible. If it works, it works. Doesn’t then doesn’t. I don’t want to lose my mind thinking stupid thoughts when he is onto his work. I tend to not think when I am around other people but the second I am free, well it is deep level overthinking ?
Also can I depend on this thread to clear my mind and not think much, I have decided to put in my thoughts in a notepad letter whenever I am too strained and then put it over here. The replies can be slow. This will make me more patient perhaps.
Is it because I don’t love myself?
April 26, 2019 at 1:51 pm #291429AnonymousGuestDear IpkRO9:
You wrote earlier: “I remember when I had first asked (your sister) about my guy. She told me she does not care whether I ever get a guy who has a strong chemistry with me or if I am ever able to be happy again, she just does not want me to date him”-
-did you consider that your sister, having been his friend, is infatuated with him, has been interested in him and that is the reason she doesn’t want you to be with him?
What was the nasty fight about and what was nasty about it (yelling, name calling, threats.. what?)
anita
April 26, 2019 at 2:06 pm #291433Ik09ParticipantI did and yes there was something. But my sister was engaged to be married in two months and he is younger than her, about 3 years. In all honesty, he also liked her but she kept him at bay. He says he soon realized it was just a crush and so he was happy they didn’t act on it because he doesn’t actually like her behavior.
The comment about leaving him because my loyalty lies to my sister. I don’t know, I know that since a small age my parents have bound all three of us so strongly(I have a younger brother too… Eight years younger) that even if we don’t like some aspects of each other. Even my mum says you care more for her than she cares for you, but you have to do it still since she is your sister.
But this is the first time I have gone against her for a guy, but I want to. I want to stand by him. He is that sort of a guy that I feel like standing with. Lately he seems off, but he has been really supportive all through even when he was being judged by everyone at my home about things that really hurt him. But he still stood by me without thinking about himself. Lately he told me during the fight that these were the comments that really hurt me but I couldn’t convey to you.
April 27, 2019 at 7:31 am #291495Ik09ParticipantThe fight was nasty because we pointed out things we don’t like about each other all at once and it seemed to make him go back into his shell. We didn’t call each other names, I cannot do it to him even if it is the worst fight ever and he doesn’t do it either. I told him that sometimes I feel judged when he points out something really opposite to me in other women. What sparked the fight that day was he compared my funny remark to my sister and I flared up. I hate being compared to her and he knows this.
He said he thinks I am a weak person and that hurt me.
I told him that he should learn to lean on people sometimes and that seemed to hurt him.
Before the fight we took time to cool off due to the ongoing stress and it was me who wanted it. He said he needed no time away but he was supportive and didn’t disturb me for the next two days. I cooled off, he had said that in the next two days you cool off while I will make sure no emotions change from my end. He kept saying baby take care again and again because the phone call connection was weak(he was traveling between two states). When I ended the call that day I felt so good about having such a beautiful soul in my life.
But after the two days when I contacted him again, he seemed to behave like a recovering patient. He was talking to me as if I was his bro and it bothered me a little but I didn’t say anything (it was stupid to make an issue out of it) so when I returned the same tone. He was like I am not your buddy or bro… Then he said it’s my fault since I started that tone. You just gave me what I deserved.
But he seemed even more hurt after that. And so I confronted him and he said he doesn’t have any energy to think or do anything now. He doesn’t care. And he can’t spend more time fighting. This was during our fight. I was hurt as well and so i let it be. We still texted each other that day but on lighter notes like a funny thing that we saw or a beautiful place we visited.
About four days went by on such terms(in between these four days he scolded me one day to stop saying sorry for not immediately responding to anyone’s text. I said I said sorry only to not seem rude but he was angry and said that this habit of yours makes you look weak in front of others and I hate it) then I told him that let us forget the hurt and start anew. He agreed. But he said let’s take things really slow and let the hurt dissolve on its own.
Two days after he called me while coming back home, we talked about various things but at one point he made a comment about a friend of his whom he used to call his brother until I made him see that he just used my guy to get information about his life to use them as gossips later and calculated the amount of money he has borrowed from my guy. Around 15k inr. So after that he talks to him normally but isn’t attached to him like before but I had never seen him use bad words for anyone. He said i am irritated by that good for nothing person. I said that is a rude thing to say then he said why? Because your sister does the same thing? I became silent toh he said felt bad or something that I said something about your sister? I said why do you assume things so fast. After that phone call, we didn’t have another. In fact our talking was minimal as well.
After yesterday’s post. I decided to ask him few things he said he has problems going on at home. I said do you want to talk about it. He always used to. He said no. I don’t feel like talking to anyone about it. I said okay but if you do, I am here and my lips are sealed as well. He said ok.
Then again today all day he kept being on his own. Then he texted me seeing a post of mine. As soon as I replied he went offline. He only replies when I am offline. Felt weird. And I couldn’t contain things so I asked do you feel weird when I say sweet names to you like before or send you love or kiss emojis? He did not respond. I said just say yes or no. No explanation needed.
After few seconds, he said yes. Then he said I feel awkward because I am unable to respond to them. I don’t know why am I not able to but I feel guilty when I am not able to feel the same way you are but it’s cool if you want to send it when you feel like it. Then he said, “I think I still have a lot of irritation inside and that is why I am laying low. My intensity for the relationship has gone down. I don’t know what would happen between us. Will it ever be same as before? I don’t know. ” I said if things are not the same again, we will move away.
To this he said, “you need a decision right away now? ”
I said I didn’t say that, I said if it is not the same then.
He then said when your sister comes home, again these issues will be discussed and again she will trouble you.
I said I am not going to tell her anything. Will just say I am dating you the day I leave for college so that there is no room for further discussion on this topic.
He then said your sister is so ruthless that I am sure she will trouble you even in college. She is the ?. And I am worried about that.
I said you don’t have to worry about this. You should know my strength and I have decided to not stand down to bullies. If I have to cut off contact for my inner peace, I might just do it.
He then said, “please don’t. Not for me. Then he said I would be happy if you don’t think about any of these things. Not even us. If we are able to be like before it’s okay and we will continue. We will get to know that with time. Right now we need to be good companions and well wishers. That is it.
Then after few minutes he said even if we break up now you will laugh about how stupid it all was in a yearyear. Life changes you know and this is not important. The world is so big and we have so many things to do and see. Love is not enough everything.
I said yes it is not everything but having a loving partner gives us strength and courage to face the world.
He said I agree and so we need to be slow and steady than rushing back into things.
I don’t understand the pace he is talking about. When a day before our fight when he was treating me like a friend, I said do you want to be friends… He had become upset. What is this phase which is more than friends but less than being in a relationship. It is not friends with benefits either. I feel confused but he has interviews lined up for next twenty days to change companies. And I don’t want to bother him any further as well plus judging by his behavior he seems fed up of talking about us. So I have me and I don’t understand anything ??. I don’t know if I should be laughing but I feel like it.
I am not a weak person though, I know that because I have been through feelings of abandonment, worthlessness and controlling people in my life and I didn’t break down. He has a lot of troubles financially back at his home, his parents made some poor investment choices and ended up with some debts that they expect him to pay off and he has been trying from his end and so he says changing his job when he is getting a salary hike in his current company is necessary so that he can get paid even more in the next company.
He looks tired even when he tries to smile. He used to drink heavily every weekend when we had initially met, he used to tell me that our relationship helped him think away from his issues.
He has dropped drinking heavily and casually used to have beers twice a month and now he dropped that too. Said he shall become a social drinker. And has been true to his word. He is trying everything that would make my sister approve of him but in doing all this I think he started hatjng how much effect she has on this relationship.
I understand that my sister and things she does has become a huge issue in his mind and that has made our relationship sour in his mind.
I feel slightly better but I feel bad that my relationship is dying when there is no real trouble as such apart from my sister of course.
April 27, 2019 at 8:45 am #291501AnonymousGuestDear IpkRO9:
“he made a comment about a friend of his whom he used to call his brother until I made him see that he just used my guy to get information about his life to use them as gossip later..”- as I read this I thought that his friend behaved just like your sister. Then I continued to read your post: “He said I am irritated by that good for nothing person… your sister does the same thing”- just what I thought. Your sister gathered information for the purpose of using it against you, looking in your phone, and she gossiped for the purpose of hurting your boyfriend, intentionally aiming at ruining his reputation with anyone who will listen to her.
If you look at the previous page of your thread, on March 11, I wrote to you:”Your sister.. is not honest and open with you, doesn’t seem to care what you think and feel, doesn’t ask you questions as to what you think and feel”- and you answered, “yes, it is correct”.
I wrote to you on the same date, about your sister: “she is dishonest and indirect.. she approves, then disapproves with no rational reasoning. And she goes back on her words… she lies and easily betrays a person’s trust, her friend’s and her sister’s trust..”- and you wrote to me: “Your every word connects with me”.
You are welcome to re-read my every word that connected with you, including the quotes from what you shared that are parts of the words that connect with you (March 11, 2019).
My input today: for as long as you are loyal to your sister, you are also loyal to her values. In other words, for as long as you are loyal to your sister, by definition, you are also dishonest, indirect, going back on your words, lie, betray others, and are otherwise, well, cruel, just like your sister.
anita
April 27, 2019 at 8:50 am #291505Ik09ParticipantIts not about my sister or his friend. I don’t like using degrading words for anyone. Even for people who don’t resonate with me, I have a hard time finding words that are little easier to be listened to. Maybe sugar coating is the word.
I didn’t even realise that this is something bad that I was doing until now.
April 27, 2019 at 8:52 am #291507Ik09ParticipantSugar coating something bad is very much like lying about someone. I have been doing this for a long time since I tend to hurt people soon with my words. I am easily misunderstood and so I take time to formulate words and this is another wrong thing perhaps, he pointed out to me that this complicates things.
April 27, 2019 at 9:46 am #291513AnonymousGuestDear IpkRO9:
Take some time to re-read my recent post to you, as well as our back and forth posts in your five page thread, re-read it in parts, calmly. Consider things, let them sink in a bit, take it slowly and post again, will you?
anita
April 27, 2019 at 9:55 am #291515Ik09ParticipantI will go through it all and then post. Yes. Let me do it and get back.
April 27, 2019 at 9:59 am #291519AnonymousGuestTake your time, IpkRO9, all the time that you need. When you post again I will thoroughly read and reply to you.
anita
April 27, 2019 at 10:56 am #291523Ik09ParticipantI re-read everything slowly and saw the advices you gave and the decisions I took then.
I think my fear is making me act out and I am unable to keep my calm.
By re-reading all those posts, I realised two things:
- Firstly when I wanted to keep a normal pace, my guy wanted to discuss things with parents and my sister and so that hastened things. I stand in a position in front of my parents that if this relationship falls apart, they will see me as someone who rushes into relationships with the first person I find. I think this fear of not wanting to create a bad image in my parents’ eyes, fighting with my guy and the fear of losing the Relationship was making me lose my Mind. I am sorry for projecting it all like this. I had agreed to taking time to know him better and then deciding for myself and I think I will do that. And you are right, going to war with my family will emotionally tire me out and specially at a stage when I still want to know him. I think I will keep a distance from whenever he wants to talk about future unless some reasonable amount of time has passed and I have some clarity on strong and dependable this guy is.
- The second one was there is nothing that I should do if I don’t want to do it. I don’t want to talk to my sister about this guy or anything related to my personal life and this is something that I decided long back but then his constant remarks of I think you should talk created a pressure that I couldn’t shake off.
- I have realised something important that I think I forgot in the last few days because of all the pressure, the emotional stress and the fights. I am in a relationship with either my sister or this guy for MY happiness and if I am not happy in either of these, it is wrong to go forward with it.
So, thanks to you. I thought at first why does Anita want me to re read everything, is she tired of me or something but I see the genius of this simple idea. You identified my confusion and eased it all with the help of your past words and my past words. I had already taken a decision, already made a plan.
The plan was doing things for me. Not seeking approval unless I actually wanted it, not to do anything unless I really wanted to and definitely not fighting with anyone unless I really wanted to.
No matter how compatible and right a guy is, if I go crazy in my head-that is what I shall project on him as well and then he will treat me likewise.
Unless I treat me and my thoughts with respect, none of these people would. Thank you so much Anita.
Do let me know if I am right or not…
April 27, 2019 at 11:39 am #291527AnonymousGuestDear IpkRO9:
Regarding your most recent post:
“I wanted to keep a normal pace… I had agreed to taking time to know him better and then deciding for myself”- is an excellent plan.
“my guy wanted to discuss things with parents and my sister and so to hastened things”- if he does that after you clearly communicate to him the above, then he is being disrespectful, not taking your plan seriously. He can break up with you if he doesn’t like your plan, but he shouldn’t stay with you and ignore your plan!
“they (parents) will see me as someone who rushes into relationships… this fear of not wanting to create a bad image in my parents’ eyes.. was making me lose my mind”- it so happens that you shouldn’t rush into relationships, so you and your parents are in agreement in this regard, so back to it being an excellent plan to take your time.
“going to war with my parents will emotionally tire me out”- an excellent plan then to not go to war with anyone. And there is no need to go to war about marrying a man you are not yet planning to marry!
“there is nothing that I should do if I don’t want to do it.. not to do anything unless I really wanted to”- in this context, it is correct- you shouldn’t rush, you shouldn’t tell your parents anything that they don’t have the right to know, nor you should tell your sister anything (she has no right to know anything about you, not at all!).
“definitely not fighting with anyone unless I really wanted to”- don’t fight with your boyfriend, this man you are getting to know. It tires him, it is not right that you do that. No need to fight. Be assertive, not aggressive.
One more thing: reject your mother’s instruction that you listen to your sister, end any and all loyalty to your sister and her lack of values. Be loyal to honesty, effective communication, assertiveness, kindness.
anita
April 27, 2019 at 11:47 am #291531Ik09ParticipantYes, I can only truly be loyal to someone if I respect their views and since I don’t, I am being dishonest even in being loyal.
This is my last decision- nobody should know anything unless I want to tell them. And I don’t. Even with my parents.
I want to share something here. I always knew that I wanted to love and marry by my choice and I also know that to do that I need to assert my place by doing something worthwhile. So, getting a job and at least getting one novel published even if it is not very great was on my list. I absolutely cannot settle with my dreams and thus this plan works out everything effectively and yes, I will not fight and for his current feelings, I think I will let him calm himself down. He is going through a lot even outside the relationship.
Thank you so much Anita. It is always a pleasure to receive advice from you. I am thankful for you to be present in my life.
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