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February 28, 2018 at 8:51 am #195241AnonymousGuest
Dear Derek:
No so strange, your mind, or brain, that is. It operates like brains do.
What you wrote about your partner holding your hand and caressing your face and you feeling safe as a result, this is it. There is nothing more valuable in a relationship than to feel safe with one’s partner.
I will repeat it and suggest you do to, later on: there is absolutely nothing more valuable in a relationship than to feel safe, on an ongoing basis, with one’s partner.
You will continue to be anxious, while in the relationship, because your anxiety predated the relationship, and you will keep focusing on education and income and other things, but those things will not bring you the safety you need so desperately.
There is no objective safety, for anyone, including the most educated and most wealthy. After all… no one can escape death and the wealthiest do get sick. Some anxiety I suppose is understandable, it being that as humans we are the only animals knowing we can get sick at any time and that we will definitely die.
Safety for animals and for humans is a relative concept- safer, would be a better word, more accurate than safe. There is nothing more powerful for that safer feeling than a parent being non-aggressive and often loving to a child, consistently. Since you can’t redo your childhood, the next good thing is having a safe partner, one who is consistently not aggressive and often loving.
Did I mention that there is nothing, absolutely nothing more important, more valuable in a partner than him being a safe person for you?
anita
February 28, 2018 at 8:52 am #195243AnonymousGuest* didn’t reflect under Topics
February 28, 2018 at 10:48 am #195275DerekParticipantHello again,
I know that you are right in that. I really do. And I am trying my best, I really am. And I do feel safe. But this core belief tears me apart. Really. And it’s so judgemental. I really like what you say about anxiety predating the relationship. In fact it is showing up again tonight:
I got home today and was happy to see him. He wasn’t feeling well so I expected to find him in bed, but instead he was at the table attempting to do his English homework. So he asked for help and I remember saying to myself ‘be kind, be patient, don’t be frustrated’. Yet, he doesn’t get it, or it takes him longer. And I cope with that because learning a language is hard, and takes time. I also decided to do my homework, and when I ask him for help – he can’t really. He gets confused, he tells me different things, and doesn’t seem to know what the differences of tenses are. Realistically there are things he asks me that I can’t answer for him, but when it comes to the basics…it frightens me that he may not know how to articulate them. So I took a breath, and almost cried, and feel horrible inside. My mind was racing and wants to say ‘I think it’s important that you know these things because’ and I don’t have a because…maybe in case we have a kid so we can help them. Or because it’s not my first language and wish he could help. But, I didn’t say it. Instead I left him to do his homework and am lying down about to meditate. I want to cry because I feel so mean, so judgemental. In my heart I still don’t want to leave him, not at all. But I can’t help think ‘WHAT IF’ there is someone who can fulfil me in that way – but again there will be ways that they cannot fulfil me.
Now my anxiety is in full cycle because I know he is not computer able either – I mean obviously he can turn on and use basic things, but my anxiety is telling me ‘He couldn’t type fast’…like that’s some sort of prerequisite for a healthy relationship.
So now I lie here and feel sad because I don’t want to feel this way. And wonder, is this a deal breaker, my heart says no, but it is still difficult.
I hope I am not crazy for these thoughts. And i hope that I am not allowing fear creep in.
February 28, 2018 at 10:51 am #195277DerekParticipantI should add that when I did my homework I was also confused. I realised I don’t know a lot of what we have been doing. I know a lot, but there were things I didn’t have a clue.
I did try and take all of this positively – I can see him trying so suggested this weekend we sit down together and work on creating word maps etc for our verbs we are learning and how we can learn them better.
February 28, 2018 at 11:18 am #195285AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
That is precious, that you found him doing his homework even though he wasn’t feeling well. I wonder if part of the reason was to please you…
You did very well to notice and not say anything to him, anything negative that is. Even though you felt badly, you didn’t bother him with that and endured. You talked to yourself, forming the intent to be kind and patient. Then went to meditate, to calm yourself. I am very impressed.
So Notice, Endure the distress, Say nothing, forming intent/self talk, calm, all good.
There is one more thing for you to implement and practice. It will take time but you can start with forming the intent: it is not your fault that you are judgmental of him the ways that you are. It is not your fault that you are anxious. These things are not a matter of choice. You didn’t choose to think and feel the ways you do. These are automatic reactions to what was communicated to you when you were a child.
Therefore, it is not realistic to blame yourself. Not your fault. Separate thinking/feeling (not your choice) and behavior (your choice as hard as it is .. to choose correctly when distressed).
Give yourself credit for enduring your distress without reacting to it in ways that are unjust and will hurt him. Accept best you can your thoughts and feelings because you can’t help thinking and feeling what you do.
anita
February 28, 2018 at 11:36 am #195291DerekParticipantThank you,
that makes me feel like I’ve made progress today alone.
Alone i hope it wasn’t to impress me. I don’t imagine it was – he does always sit to do his homework every week. Always. He is very dedicated to going to class twice a week and doing the homework. He does work full time too.
i am glad I was able to stay calm. Now we are watching a series and relaxing after preparing dinner together and chatting. I let it pass because I know there are more important things. (I did almost fall into my usual trap of googling on differences). Like I need to see successful stories of people in love with and without university degrees. Maybe that’s the looking for safety…
February 28, 2018 at 11:48 am #195295AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
Yes, you made progress and you can make more progress tomorrow and the day after. Be easy on yourself, kind and gentle to yourself- that will make further progress possible. When you think too much about his lack of education and such, try to slow down the thinking, think to yourself, if you can: I will think more of this later. Not now.
I hope you are enjoying the series. You can post again anytime you’d like, maybe tomorrow and let me know of your continuous efforts and progress. It will continue to not be easy, but it will be worth it for you in the long run!
anita
March 4, 2018 at 10:32 am #195881DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I am logging in to wish you a Happy Sunday and give you a little update.
I have been quite calm this week, overall I mean. Talking on here definitely help.
From a calmer more loving perspective I have been able to realise that I am in general feeling better. When I look at the month of February for example, and compare it to November I can see a leap of progress. In fact, this weekend I have been thinking many many many more positive thoughts about my partner than negative and nervous thoughts. Today I had a few little judgemental thoughts creep up, but chose not to share them with him and just allow them pass rather than paying attention to damaging hurtful thoughts.
Also, walking down the street today I felt very content and actually said to myself ‘I’m happy with my life’.
This I think is a big difference to the nervous ‘I can’t do this’, ‘My future won’t work out here’, ‘Are we compatible’ thoughts and I have to say I am enjoying it.
Sending you best wishes.
March 4, 2018 at 1:36 pm #195885AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
Thank you for your good wishes. I am glad you are feeling better and that you are making progress. Good you didn’t share with your partner the few negative judgmental thoughts you had today. Keep the progress going and since sharing here helped you, I hope you come back to this thread anytime you need to re-read from it as well as post more, anytime. I will be glad to reply when you do.
Take good care of yourself and of your relationship.
anita
March 14, 2018 at 11:19 am #197265DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I hope that you are well. Here I am to give a little update and hopefully get some advice.
In general i have been a lot calmer. The thoughts have still been there from time to time but I have been better at letting them go.
Some key key moments of the past week:
Thursday: I found out that getting my undergraduate degree recognised in Spain may be a little complicated and harder than I thought. I may have to do some extra modules. Or look at other options. My initial reaction inside was a gut feeling of “We are going to have to break up and I’ll have to return to UK”. I felt very sad because I don’t think I want that. That same day I had an argument on a metro (I asked a man to stop being aggressive to his wife) and also had been called fat in Work (which I was naturally not very happy about). All in All a bad day.
Friday:
i was still a bit stressed/worked up. We went to the cinema. On the way home he got nervous when we were holding hands because there was a group of people. This has been an ongoing thing – I am not a huge “I must hold your hand” but if I feel affectionate it’s quite nice to not have to think. Anyway, he rejected my hand and I withdrew emotionally. I couldn’t speak to him very much and felt very nervous and negative like we should break up because this issue will not get bettter. I was more angry because I was behaving like my mother. Very much so and was ashamed at myself for not being more understanding, and acting like her.
Today:
i have been nervous about speaking the languages here in Spain. Even though I get complimented regularly about my language skills. Last night when my partner came home he told me he had a “surprise English exam” and hopes that he passed but not to worry because he wasn’t prepared. I felt an overwhelming sadness because I want him to be happy and confident. I told him I worry that we recreate my childhood dynamic in the sense of education. He told me not to overthink that he knows I always try and encourage him to be “better” and he feels very supported. But is that bad that he thinks I try to make him better? I hope not because he said “you love me for me as I am” and I had a negative thought “no I don’t” but 5 minutes before all I thoight was how I love him.
Fast forward to today. A straight man in Work who is nice and I think I have a crush on (actually has a sexual dream about him which frightened me endlessly) was talking about his girlfriend. She is a high achiever in academics and languages, and I immediately felt hot and nervous like maybe I hadn’t achieved that, or would someone like her but a man be “better” for me….
then at a session i I went today I had to speak in my non native language and I was so nervous before. But I did it. Very well.
March 14, 2018 at 11:48 am #197273AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
I think you are doing very well considering the difficult and very slow process of repeatedly paying attention to our thoughts, feelings and behaviors, re-evaluating and fitting these to reality. Keep at it.
Regarding holding hands, you wish he would be okay with it, and you feel like holding hands when affectionate. I understand it. But he is afraid of people seeing that and then hurting him and you. He can’t help it and unfortunately, sometimes this happens, as there is such a thing as homophobia.
This behavior, although in itself not negative, in this context, with your partner in public needs to be changed. So to not cause him distress.
Different stressors in day to day life will continue to happen. See to it that you take breaks during the day to distress, to find comfort or release of stress, such as in taking walks, exercising and such.
I admire that you talked to a man on the metro about him behaving aggressively to his wife. My hat is off to you. But be careful, do so in such a way as to minimize the risk involved (for example, making sure there are people around, so the man is less likely to act aggressively toward you).
Looking forward to more of your thoughts/ another update.
anita
March 14, 2018 at 11:56 am #197283DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for that. I never thought about how actually him feeling nervous at times may be almost like a protective factor for us both. I will try to be more compassionate.
I was wondering what you thought about the rest of my message? It’s ok if you don’t have advice for that but I thought I would ask ?
Derek
March 14, 2018 at 12:07 pm #197285AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
I wonder if you read my reply before or after some changes I made in it?
Regarding the complication in your studies in Spain and the thought of moving back to the UK- I hope not because from my understanding and feel of it, you have a wonderful partner in Spain and I see that as a great, huge plus, exceptional. I wouldn’t like you to give it up or leave it behind. I therefore hope you can find an academic solution to the problem and stay with your partner.
Regarding your partner’s surprise English exam- I didn’t understand it all (it is getting to the time of the day when I am getting tired…), aim at loving him as he is and encourage him to become more of what he already is, not something that he is not. And when you feel sad for him, you are probably feeling sad for yourself, so maybe you can make a shift from feeling sad for him to feeling sad for you.
Regarding the straight man at work- you felt “hot and nervous”- that is anxiety, fear. The fear associated with education, your own and your partner’s. We discussed it some. If you want we can talk about it more. And having crushes, no big deal, as far as I am concerned. You are a young man, it happens.
Soon will be away from the computer for about sixteen hours. Take care.
anita
March 19, 2018 at 10:43 am #198129DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for your response. In regards to the studies I am currently arranging to meet with different faculty members to see what options I have and how to find a solution to any issues. So yes I am staying 🙂
About the English exam: he said “I know you encourage me because you love me for who I am” and I had an instant fear of “No I don’t” even though a few hours before I couldn’t stop thinking about how positive I felt about it all.
Thanks for the comments on the crish. It came up again today and I think I realised something. I often worry that he “doesn’t do enough” because he “always says he will try new things but just before he does he stops” and I realised I’m talking about myself. For months I have gone on about all the things I “would like to do” that never came into fruition. So in fact maybe I’m scared of new things, so when I got an invited to go join a local tennis club today I worried “what if he doesn’t do anything he will be left home alone” or “other couples are so much more active”. Actually I think what it is is that I have low self esteem and am afraid so the easiest thing to block the fear is anxiously search for excuses and project them to my partner….
yesterday he told ne he was going to do an activity, a sport. I joked with him and said “now you always do this so is there something wrong with why you never just do it”. Then we laughed about how actually I’m talkinh about myself too because I do the same but then he said “well actually I just didn’t tell you because I know what you get like but last week I was googling activity centres”. I felt weird. I felt bad maybe he was afraid to tell me. I felt that maybe I need to respect his privacy more because maybe he is more introvert. I also said “these are the things I’d love to hear more about I had no idea you were interested in xyz” (I worry that our conversations are boring sometimes…he tells me it’s ok not to talk every second of the day)
March 19, 2018 at 10:57 am #198133AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
Excellent job, in the relationship, if I may say so! Excellent, realizing that you project your self criticism into him and then sharing it with him. I am very pleased. Do it again, then, notice when you are critical of him and shift your attention to yourself, asking yourself, what is it that I am critical here about myself.
The “outer critic” in you that is criticizing him (in thoughts if not in words) is the flip side of the “inner critic” that is criticizing yourself. Often, most often, when people criticize others, they do not realize that they criticize themselves (at other times) for the same or similar things. You are aware, hence my excitement over your awareness.
I think that you are a good person and a good partner and definitely you are on the right path. Keep at it and be gentle with yourself and patient with the process. Post again anytime.
anita
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