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August 24, 2019 at 11:30 am #309157AnonymousGuest
Dear Lindsey:
I do hope you feel better, try that guided meditation I suggested? I will be able to read all of your recent post when I am back to the computer Sun morning in about 18 hours from now.
* Did you read Grenada’s post to you?
anita
August 24, 2019 at 1:21 pm #309177lindseyParticipantGranada,
Things really do happen for a reason maybe. I enjoyed reading your post. I’m not quite sure what I’m looking for with K. It’s not sex. I’m not quite sure what I want if I start seeing someone I cannot see myself getting serious any time soon. I recognize K’s crazy. There is a part that wants to help him but I know you cannot help people with mental illnesses mostly they have to help themselves. The longer I spend time with him the more I believe he is either bipolar but only on the spectrum not type 1 or 2, or possibly has major depressive disorder- I’m on the bipolar spectrum.
So maybe in some way I’m looking for him to help us together. And it’s very hard for me to let go of that illusion because that’s exactly what it is. I have a lot of trauma and I’ve got to find a way to walk away from people who are not healthy for me and I just cannot do it right now. And then it brings shame and frustration and anxiety.
There is so much up and down from him and I cannot get off the ride. I’m protecting myself right now by only being friends however he is not making any moves towards more when he sees me but talks about it sometimes through text. Everything about him is confusing.
lindsey
August 24, 2019 at 4:36 pm #309185GrenadaParticipantLinds,
I would just say be gentle with yourself.
Also be mindful of the ways we talk to ourselves, I have CPTSD, OCD, a Panic & Anxiety Disorder, and deal with depression here & there. I used to call myself crazy for how my mind worked. But had to realize i’m not crazy, just someone navigating trauma and trying to heal and develop healthier patterns.
I asked my partner or friend IDK lol, depends on the day.. (who studies psychology) I asked them why would someone self-harm . They said its a result of heavy trauma and someone looking for a release. So when someone let’s say, cuts themselves or inflicts pain, their brain releases feel good chemicals to reduce the pain. In essence, the self harm is a familiar addictive fix, because it releases feel good chemicals. And so when we don’t inflict the pain, we have withdrawals, we need the chemicals.
This too happens in our relationship patterns. Overtime a particular type of treatment or abuse in our childhood or even in our romantic partnerships wears down like grooves in our brains. We get used to these patterns and having to navigate them and so we latch on to familiar things.
A doctor once told me that “70% of the time, all humans are floating around in stress chemicals. We wake up in the morning with the past on our brains and that sooner or later, the familiar past will become the predictable future.”
I say this A) so we can see how this happens psychologically, its what all human brains do given the circumstances. B) So you can have some patience and self compassion for yourself as falling into cycles of shame can be really self-destructive and do the opposite of what we want.
A person in my tribe once told me, “pain pushes us until the vision pulls us. It is up to us to trip the switch.”
For now be patient, non-judgmental, and compassionate with yourself. Work with your inner child, ask her what she needs how she feels, and talk to her compassionately. Envision yourself holding your child, stepping in to rescue your inner child from scary moments, and just re-parenting and nurturing her. This is how i figure out my basic needs.
When i am crying because someone i like hasn’t called me all day, and i’m waiting by the computer or phone for a response i’ll never get and waste away my day when i should be working. More and more i remember to consult with my inner child, who, a lot of the time is just like “mom, i’m hungry!” lol and I’ll feed myself and carry on in a better mood. Other times my inner child is like “mom, you’re staring at your phone and not spending enough time with me.” And i’ll put my phone down and engage in much needed self care.
Eventually you’ll start to make little changes here and there, investing in yourself, and doing the things that make you happy, when you want to do it. Sometimes you’ll set aside time for you and K will call and you’ll be like “maybe, maybe not.” You’re sovereign. It’s time to take back your freedom, and call the shots in your life. set the boundaries you need. I know this can be scary because sometimes we think if we set boundaries people will leave us, and sometimes they do. But they’re replaceable. we want people who treat us right.
People are like potlucks. Some are good for conversation, others sex, others making us laugh, others giving advice. It gets complicated and disappointing when we expect the comedian to give us advice, or the sex person to hold a good conversation.
Seeing people for who and how they are, and setting boundaries gives us the control and power over our lives that was taken from us for so long.
Eventually youll meet one person who is the whole potluck in themselves. for now, again, just be gentle with yourself, work on inner child healing, tending to your needs, being honest with yourself, setting boundaries, and learning healthier patterns over time.
you got this.
Grenada
August 24, 2019 at 4:42 pm #309187GrenadaParticipantAnita,
sending appreciation to you and your helpful posting. Lindsay, you are in good hands. I wish i had known about this forum a while back.
I wish you both the best of luck.
August 24, 2019 at 4:42 pm #309189GrenadaParticipantLindsey* sorry
I have a family member with similar name.. lol
August 25, 2019 at 7:39 am #309209AnonymousGuestDear Lindsey:
“I gravitate towards things that are not good for me”, by things you mean people. This may not be true at all. It is not like there is a man in your life who is emotionally healthy and interested in you in some way, be it friendship alone, and you don’t gravitate toward him, and instead you gravitate toward K. If I understand correctly there is only K, so you gravitate toward him because you need companionship and you need to have fun with (a somewhat attractive) man.
Reality is that there are way more emotionally unhealthy or unavailable men (and women) than there are emotionally healthy and available men, so we gravitate toward what is available to us, toward what is there.
“I believe he is either bipolar but only on the spectrum.. possibly has major depressive disorder- I’m on… I’m looking for him to help us together”- it is a wonderful thought and would be a wonderful basis for a friendship/ relationship if the two of you wanted to help each other, he has to want it too.
“I’ve got to find a way to walk away from people who are not healthy for me and I just cannot do it right now”- like the songs says, we are people who need people, this is our human nature. You cannot reasonably expect yourself to no longer need people. If only there was a man there, in your environment (be it at work, although this is not such a good idea) or in a meetup group or a man you meet on a respectable online dating site who was emotionally healthier than K, healthy enough to want to work with you and help each other, then you would loose the focus on K.
“it brings shame and frustration and anxiety”- don’t punish yourself with shame for being human. We all can’t walk away from a person if that person is our only option for connection.
“Everything about him is confusing”- yea, what you shared doesn’t read like anything good, nothing at all in the context of a relationship with him, be it friends or more.
Better have a second option- or third, and fourth, so that you can choose)!
*And thank you Grenada for your comment to me. You are welcome to start your own thread if you feel the need to, at any time.
anita
August 25, 2019 at 9:05 am #309221lindseyParticipantAnita,
I hear what you are saying about K. More options are needed. We will see if he is still here. I set my first boundary. I sent him a text basically saying don’t do again what he did Friday night- stay for the whole movie, be present not all over the place, etc. I said his behavior hurt my feelings and I’m not putting myself out there again. He opened it an hour ago. No reply yet not sure if there will be a reply. Now that he’s opened it I don’t feel as confident as I did when I first sent it lol.
I’m going to start the mediation tonight that you suggested it’s available on my phone. I have the kids right now and we are doing stuff.
What do you think about the boundary text I sent? I feel like he will not reply.
lindsey
August 25, 2019 at 9:36 am #309229AnonymousGuestDear Lindsey:
Regardless of him not replying, you did the right thing sending him this text, expressing yourself honestly, holding him responsible for his behavior!
If he doesn’t reply to your text it doesn’t mean at all that it was the wrong text. It means he is not taking responsibility for his behavior. Maybe he can’t, maybe he won’t, maybe both. Bottom line:
It is not possible to be in a healthy relationship, be it friendship or more, with a person who will not take responsibility for his behavior!
anita
August 26, 2019 at 5:46 am #309327lindseyParticipantAnita,
I tried the meditation last night. I did an 8 minute one from U tube. I might have fallen asleep during it lol. It was great. I did it about 7pm and noticed no anxiety after and during bedtime. I’m going to try it again today during work because this morning has been very chaotic.
I need to find a way to somehow have some type of civil relationship with my mother. She will never apologize for any of her wrong doings from the past. She stated she felt what she did at the time was right – those are her words. If I’m around her I end up arguing and I need to create boundaries with myself for my limited interactions with her.
I sent K a text later asking if he was upset about what I wrote, he said “no.” I asked if he could see where I was coming from? He responded “yes.” Avoidant behavior as usual & not taking responsibility. Going to try and focus less on this mess as it is not worth it.
Lindsey
August 26, 2019 at 6:15 am #309329lindseyParticipantAnita,
This is a follow up to my last post. I’m starting to realize my unhealthy attachment to K and it is a little hard to see face to face. Also a bit embarrassing. Especially when really it’s been looking at my straight in the face for awhile.
I also need to work on my anger with my mother.
Lindsey
August 26, 2019 at 6:24 am #309333AnonymousGuestDear Lindsey:
Everyone avoids what they don’t feel like doing: K avoids talking more because he doesn’t feel like it. Your mother definitely doesn’t feel like considering that she was wrong the way she treated you, no matter how much it would have helped you if she considered such a thing!
She did you wrong and as a consequence of her actions, you got angry and you are still angry. If she considered that she was wrong, if she expressed to you how wrong she was, sincerely apologized and offered to make amends (such as giving you lots of money so that you can attend quality therapy), maybe then your anger would have lessened a whole lot, over time.
Otherwise, we don’t … lose our anger just because we grow older. It doesn’t happen that way, especially not while still interacting with the parent- the anger gets reactivated repeatedly.
To have a civil relationship with her… try something you didn’t try before, such as listening to one of those guided meditations before getting on the phone with her? I have no idea if that will work, but the idea is to try something new and see if that works.
I am glad you relaxed listening to the meditation, keep doing that then. Sometimes you won’t like doing that, maybe get bored, but don’t give up. Listening to these guided meditations of this Mindful series while sitting comfortably or even lying down, can only help you and never harm you.
anita
August 29, 2019 at 7:34 am #309621lindseyParticipantAnita,
So I kind of went off the grid for 2 days (Tuesday & Wednesday). I didn’t talk much with anyone, just worked out, hung out with my dog and read. I basically needed to reload. I felt that I was having a minor anxiety cycle, which may have been because I started my period. My anxiety and worry will sometimes spike during that time. Also, on Monday for some reason I sent a text to K that was weird, it’s kind of a long story but I thought the woman walking in front of me may have been someone he dated so I asked him as he happened to walk by us. ( I was behind her.) Why did I have this impulsive thought? no idea. Was it very odd? yes and he said so. So then I started my worrying and sent a text that he never responded to.
So Tuesday I woke up and said I’ve had enough. This is dumb, he is really not worth my time or worry. He is not a good friend to me and is not bringing anything positive to me life, only worry and stress.
So I guess you could say I’ve seen the light lol. Or it’s been about 3 months since I started talking with him and my OCD behaviors get old after 3 months. Anyway, I’m also seeing my counselor in about an hour. I hope you have been well and I will talk to you soon.
August 29, 2019 at 8:01 am #309629AnonymousGuestDear Lindsey:
Going off the grid did you good- I am glad! Your recent post reads most reasonable.
(Don’t worry about having sent K a weird text: he is weird himself, isn’t he).
I am fine, thank you. I think the hottest day of the year (in the 80s) was yesterday and it will be cooler from now on, I like that.
Have a productive counseling session.
anita
August 30, 2019 at 1:26 pm #309789lindseyParticipantAnita,
Today I am sitting across the wall from K-basically we are so close I can hear him eating-but separated by a thin wall. And this is not good, it’s really not. Everything he is saying I feel like I am overanalyzing and kind of freaking out over and I’m not sure why.
Last night I send him a text just saying hey, we sit right next to each other, thanks god we did not mess around lol. Just as a joke and for me to kind of set up an ok we are just friends type of thing. This is all ok. (even though it’s really not ok)
But the problem is I like him. And everytime he talks to a female I get a feeling in the pit of my stomach. I’m wondering if my anxiety is just being wacky today. Because I analyzed his hello to me this morning. He’s also hungover. I mean I was just outside in the break area looking at my phone and walked past and didn’t say hi.
Lindsey
August 30, 2019 at 2:31 pm #309795AnonymousGuestDear Lindsey:
Sitting across a thin wall from K, and sitting right next to him at work- did his location change, office or cubicle location or such?
I will be away from the computer for a while. It is 4:30 pm your time, so you end of the work week for you, I figure.
anita
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