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  • #449770
    Alessa
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    Hi Lucidity

    Bless your soul! ❤️ To be fair, biting can really hurt. I’ve had bruises through jeans because of it. He doesn’t really seem to have a good sense of how painful it is.

    Aww ruining his fun bless. 😂 It is nice that your son feels comfortable in expressing his feelings with you! ❤️

    Ah well he doesn’t do the pretending with others. Mostly just me. I tend to be quite relaxed with my approach to things. Recently, I’m trying to be a little firmer. I started telling him that mummy doesn’t like it when you ignore her, it’s nice when he listens and helping him to finish up what he’s doing.

    Yes, I don’t have a good sense of smell. But when I was pregnant it improved. I thought is this what other people who have a good sense of smell experience. 😂

    Your experience during pregnancy is fascinating. That is a beautiful story with your husband. Thank you for sharing! ❤️ I suspect you are correct with familiarity being a factor too.

    Interestingly, I have issues where I mix up similar colours. Black and navy blue being the worst one. But I can also have issues with things like pinks and purples too. I ask my sister who is an artist what colour things are when it is important.

    #449773
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Yana

    Babysitting nephews still counts! 😊

    Awww he was a very hungry dinosaur. 🦖 🫣

    Thank you for sharing your beautiful memories with them. ❤️

    My son copies our dogs a lot. Sometimes I wonder if he thinks he’s a dog? He even pretends to feed his teddies dog food and when he was younger he would pat other children on the back as if they were dogs. 😂

    The latest struggle is the he figured out how to climb out of the crib (it is a low one and he is a good climber, so he is safe). It took him ages to fall asleep last night, he kept coming through and giggling. He was very impressed with himself. ❤️

    #452131
    Alessa
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    Hi Tee

    Would it be okay to move the conversation to this thread?

    It’s good to hear that you have a plan for your knee. Every little helps. You deserve comfort in all aspects of life. God knows you bring a lot of comfort to others. ❤️

    I find cycling helpful for my knee. I heard it was good for knees and a low impact cardio. I do like cycling, but I don’t like going up hills, so I got an electric bike. Best of both worlds. 😂

    Yeah, I’m still going to try and potty train him. He’s actually started showing an interest of his own accord. He has started to get into paw patrol because he loves cars and dogs. Turns out I accidentally bought him a paw patrol potty a while back. He’s just noticed the logo with the characters from his show and has been asking to practice sitting on it.

    He has been accepted for nursery in January. I was relieved at first because of the idea of getting a break, but now I’m a little nervous. I’ve never been away from him for more than a couple of hours and I’ve never really trusted other people with him. I know it will be healthy for him to learn to trust others. He has been lucky so far, the vast majority of people have been kind to him.

    Hmm well it’s complicated. I’ve always had a tendency for anxiety. I think a lot of the time, I have unrealistic expectations. I guess because I have needs, just like anyone else. I seek reassurance and empathy from people who might not be emotionally equipped to handle that in the moment.

    Ah well, uncertainty is an issue for me. It’s common with autism. So much of life is uncertain.

    Thanks, I like programming. It’s really fun for me, my brain works in that straightforward way. I’m trying to get ahead on my exams. I figure if I study when my son is in nursery, I’ll be able to have a weekend again. That’ll be nice. 😊

    I truly appreciate your calm presence and perspective. ❤️

    #452240
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    sure, it’s okay to move the conversation here, since yeah, it’s not so much about conflict any more 😊

    My knee is marginally better now, maybe because I’m more diligent in strengthening my muscles, but as soon as there is any strain on it, such as walking up a few flights of stairs, it gets worse. But anyway, I’ve still got a few options that I’m going to try to achieve a bit more stable improvement, so that’s my plan 🙂

    Good to hear that your son is showing interest in the Paw Patrol potty. Are you hoping that he might not even need a diaper in the nursery, so no need for diaper change? (sorry if I sound daft – I don’t know how long it takes to train a little one to go potty?)

    I know it will be healthy for him to learn to trust others. He has been lucky so far, the vast majority of people have been kind to him.

    Yes, I’m sure it will be good for him to socialize with other kids. And since he’s over 2 years old now (if I’ve got that right?), it’s okay for him to start the occasional “separation” from you, since around 2 begins the so-called individuation period. The child likes to explore their surroundings and then come back to the parent. Being away from you for a few hours seems like a perfect recipe for that. Plus, it gives you an opportunity to study for your exams 😊

    Hmm well it’s complicated. I’ve always had a tendency for anxiety. I think a lot of the time, I have unrealistic expectations. I guess because I have needs, just like anyone else. I seek reassurance and empathy from people who might not be emotionally equipped to handle that in the moment.

    Ah well, uncertainty is an issue for me. It’s common with autism. So much of life is uncertain.

    Right, it’s good that you know where your anxiety is mostly coming from: unrealistic expectations (towards certain people) and a general uncertainty about life.

    I guess because I have needs, just like anyone else.

    I’d just like to confirm: yes, your needs are legitimate. It’s just that you might be looking to meet them by the kind of people who don’t have the emotional capacity for that, or don’t always have that capacity. So I guess that’s something to take into account, even if it may be painful…

    As for general anxiety due to life being uncertain, yeah, I’m familiar with that. I guess it’s not necessarily just due to autism, but can be a consequence of complex PTSD. We haven’t learned safety, haven’t been brought up with the sense that we’re safe, because well… our mothers were unsafe. So that sense of a “safe harbor” is missing.

    We now need to give it to ourselves, and it’s not always easy. It’s definitely not easy for me. But there are somatic techniques to deal with it, such as imagining a safe place, giving ourselves a hug, feeling safe in the here-and-now, being grounded and breathing deeply and slowly. In general, techniques to calm down our hyper-vigilant nervous system.. because that’s the basis for a general feeling of safety, I guess.

    Thanks, I like programming. It’s really fun for me, my brain works in that straightforward way.

    That’s great that you’ve found a field you like and feel enthusiastic about 👍 Wishing you well on your exams! 🤞 And also that it all fits nicely with the nursery, for a maximum win-win 😊

    ❤️❤️

    #452267
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Tee

    Thanks so much! ❤️

    How are you doing? ❤️

    I’m glad to hear that your knees are better than they were. Its not so good that they still have issues when strained. Good luck! I hope it works out. 😊

    It’s okay, I don’t know how long it takes either!

    He was accepted by the local nursery. So hopefully it will be okay for me to change him. It shouldn’t be a concern at first because they introduce nursery for short periods of time. He’s done some potty training when he was younger. He’s pretty good at not having accidents. But yes, the goal is to get him to a point where he doesn’t need help from others with these things. By 2 and a half he might be okay to use the bathroom on his own. They need help with pulling up pants before then.

    Yes, he’s 2. Yes, the socialization will be really helpful because he doesn’t have siblings and it should help his language development too since he’s a little behind.

    Oh I didn’t know that. I feel a bit better then. There are so many experts with different opinions. Some who say nursery is beneficial for academic performance in later life. Some who say that nursery before the age of 3 is bad because it can be stressful for kids.

    Yes, that is spot on. People don’t always have the capacity. At some times they do, at others they don’t. I’m still getting used to the idea of finding the right time. The idea isn’t so much painful as the practicality of it. It is hard to find the right time when you are short on time.

    Did you have difficulty with uncertainty and anxiety too?

    Very true. For a while I just had a constant sense of impending doom as a result of trauma. When you think of it like that, anxiety is a downgrade.

    I’m sorry that your mother was unsafe too. No child should have to feel that way. ❤️

    Is it somatic techniques that you find particulaly helpful? I will have to learn some more about them. You mentioned that you don’t always find it easy? ❤️

    Take care ❤️

    #452837
    Alessa
    Participant

    I’m thinking about you and your health issues Tee. I don’t want to cause you pain by replying. Please take care of yourself and wait for a less painful time before replying. I am not in a hurry. I value your replies, but your wellbeing is more important to me. 🩵

    No doubt I still make mistakes Tee, even when I try not to. I’m lucky in that I have never shouted at my son. It seems like most parents do. The idea makes me feel very uncomfortable.

    Yes, it’s the authoritative parenting style that is recommended these days. It is what I try to follow.

    Thanks so much Tee! 🩵

    It wasn’t just post partum depression. I also developed post partum ocd. There is a 1-2% chance of that. Intrusive thoughts of harming your child. It was tied to my trauma. I was having PTSD episodes when he cried and he would cry for 4 hours in the evenings when he was young. I was hit whenever I cried. I blamed myself for the thoughts happening for a long time until I realized what the cause was. I’ve always had this recording of my trauma in my head that is like my mother. Before having a child it would try to get me to hurt myself when I was particularly vulnerable. After having a baby it became fixated on my son. I was lucky I’d had those previous experiences during vulnerable times, when it initially started I felt compelled to act on self-harm to simply get the intense suicidal thoughts to stop. Fortunately, then I had sought treatment and I learned how to control the thoughts and not act on them. So by the time I had a child I had some strong skills for coping with challenging mental health issues.

    There are some other post partum specific mental health issues too, post partum psychosis is a very dangerous one. If these conditions are not treat, they can get worse and last for years.

    My mother always said that something changed in her after she had children. Perhaps she might have had some kind of postpartum mental health issue that was untreat.

    I guess I just think it must be hard for parents with severe mental health issues, because there was not a lot of help for a long time even for the people who did try to get help. There is a social stigma around getting help too, as well as financial barriers. Even today, help varies by country and in mine to receive it free means divulging the extent of symptoms and trauma. Some people would be worried about being institutionalised or having their kids taken away. These are legitimate outcomes. Even for me, someone who knows how to talk about mental health in a calm way. It wasn’t a pleasant situation to be in and I was judged by the people who were supposed to be helping.

    I would argue that for parents who are so abusive, yet they don’t admit it. There is an element of delusion there. How can someone who isn’t even present with reality ask for help?

    Even now, I got treat pretty badly for getting help as a parent. And it took a long time to arrange the appropriate care. I even started trying to arrange it as soon as I was pregnant because that is what my old trauma therapist recommended. It was a fight to get help because a lot of resources are not equipped to deal with complex mental health issues. 🩵🩵🩵

    #452847
    Alessa
    Participant

    I would say that positive memories don’t come to me easily. It’s something that have been working on for a while. It is easy to focus on the negative, but it takes work to refocus.

    It makes sense that the nicer memories where when your mother was distracted. It is a shame when there is so much pain and so little of anything else in a child’s life. No one should live like that. 🩵

    I would argue that there are plenty of signs of child abuse beyond the obvious broken bones. It really depends on training. In the past, there was not a lot of training. 🩵

    For example, my doctor should have spotted signs of severe child abuse. But back then they didn’t care about these things.

    Migraines, bladder trouble, vomiting, constipation, fainting. These are signs of extreme levels of stress.

    I disagree with putting all of the responsibility on children to report severe abuse. It is common for parents to the threaten children to not speak out. Unless they trust that someone can or will actually going to do something about it, they keep quiet for their own safety. 🩵

    You could argue that being withdrawn and shy itself needs investigating because it could be a mental health issue. These things require treatment, no matter the cause of you ask me. 🩵

    #452876
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    thanks for your concern about my health ❤️ (I cannot copy-paste the blue heart, which you switched to and which I too like, so I stay by the red version 😊 )

    It’s not the best, but I cannot afford myself to start catastrophizing, so I’m trying to emotionally regulate myself while also seeking treatment. Hope this newest issue won’t last for too long 🙏

    Yes, it’s the authoritative parenting style that is recommended these days. It is what I try to follow.

    Oh, I haven’t heard about authoritative parenting style. I’ve just looked it up: it’s a balanced approach, neither strict and harsh (which is called authoritarian), nor permissive. This is a brief description:

    Authoritative parents steer a middle path. They are warm and responsive, like permissive parents. They avoid harsh punishment, and allow room for a child to exercise some autonomy. But where permissive parents shrink away from enforcing standards, authoritative parents embrace it. They expect maturity and cooperation (as much as is appropriate for a child’s stage of development), and they guide behavior by reasoning with their kids.

    Sounds good, Alessa! Sounds like a good, healthy approach, where the child is given love, empathy and warmth, but is also gently guided to steer away from bad behavior. ❤️ 👍

    No doubt I still make mistakes Tee, even when I try not to. I’m lucky in that I have never shouted at my son. It seems like most parents do. The idea makes me feel very uncomfortable.

    Sure, we all make mistakes, parents included. I imagine it takes a very strong self-control to never raise a voice with your child. But you’re doing it, you’re really trying your best to make him feel loved and accepted in every moment ❤️

    I can’t even imagine how hard it was for you to start having those intrusive thoughts about your son when he would start crying. And it wasn’t your fault, it was your trauma being reactivated. But you did everything in your power to treat your intrusive thoughts earlier, before getting pregnant, and so when they’ve reappeared in a new form, you knew how to stop yourself from acting on them.

    That’s remarkable, Alessa! It shows how much effort you’ve invested in your healing, not only for yourself but also for the benefit of your son ❤️

    And you were proactive: you started arranging for help while still being pregnant with your son, because you were aware that things might get challenging, and your therapist at the time suggested it. So you really did everything in your power to be a good, prepared mother, and to have a support network if things get too challenging. And I hope you did get help during your postpartum depression?

    At the same time, I’m sorry to hear that it wasn’t easy to get free help, and that you had to go through various mental health evaluations while also worrying if they would see you fit to be a mother. It must have been very frightening, Alessa, and I salute you for putting yourself through that.

    You did it because you had one major goal: to be the best possible mother to your child. And this is what makes you an AMAZING mother, Alessa. Extremely self-aware, responsible, loving, caring… all of it ❤️❤️

    My mother always said that something changed in her after she had children. Perhaps she might have had some kind of postpartum mental health issue that was untreat.

    Possibly, because C-PTSD can be triggered by the stress of having a child. And no wonder, since it’s a significant stress for a more mentally healthy person too. So yeah, I can imagine it caused her to go overboard or something. Still, she hasn’t looked for help till much much later, right? And she was blaming you (her children) for some of her bad behavior.

    I see that as the biggest problem: when the parent doesn’t want to admit that their reactions are inappropriate, that they aren’t able to emotionally regulate themselves, that they do abusive things when triggered, etc. So this unwillingness to admit there’s something wrong with them, that the stress they’re experiencing is not only coming from the outside, but also from within.

    I would argue that for parents who are so abusive, yet they don’t admit it. There is an element of delusion there. How can someone who isn’t even present with reality ask for help?

    Yes, there’s definitely delusion. Narcissistic people are famous for self-delusion: they’d never admit there’s something wrong with them. Always blaming others. And when you combine that with some other mental health disorders, I can imagine that the level of abuse can get pretty severe, because they don’t have the capacity (or the willingness) to self-reflect.

    Of course, I don’t know what mental health issues your mother was suffering from, so I’m speaking in general. But it seems to me that the person can commit abuse when they either lack the capacity to self-reflect or lack the willingness to self-reflect. I see narcissism as lacking willingness to self-reflect, even though they might have the cognitive capacity for that. But I’m not an expert, so this might not be true. I guess things are more complicated than that…

    I would argue that there are plenty of signs of child abuse beyond the obvious broken bones. It really depends on training. In the past, there was not a lot of training.

    For example, my doctor should have spotted signs of severe child abuse. But back then they didn’t care about these things.

    Migraines, bladder trouble, vomiting, constipation, fainting. These are signs of extreme levels of stress.

    Very good point! Certain physical problems in children can indicate abuse, even if no bruises or broken bones are present. I do hope pediatricians are more observant to those symptoms and more educated about it than before!

    I disagree with putting all of the responsibility on children to report severe abuse. It is common for parents to the threaten children to not speak out. Unless they trust that someone can or will actually going to do something about it, they keep quiet for their own safety.

    Absolutely! It shouldn’t be on children to report abuse, because as you say, children are often intimidated and threatened. It should be the responsibility of teachers, coaches, pediatricians… to notice that something is amiss.

    When I was a child, there was only one psychologist in our school (a school with more thousand children), and she was only dealing with children who caused trouble, with “bad” kids. Everybody was afraid of her, so I guess she wasn’t the best psychologist but was probably strict and threatening. I hope that nowadays, quality school counseling is more available, both for elementary and secondary school children.

    You could argue that being withdrawn and shy itself needs investigating because it could be a mental health issue. These things require treatment, no matter the cause of you ask me.

    Yes, it would be nice if every child would get individual attention, not only the trouble makers. That every child feels seen and not judged… Yeah, much more would need to be invested in mental health, but perhaps what would be important is to invest in the teachers’ mental health (and their education about mental health), so they can be a good role-model – something that many kids don’t have at home…

    ❤️❤️

    #452974
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Tee

    I know you’ll get through it, you’re a very resilient and resourceful woman. I hope it gets easier for you soon. 🩵

    Yes, you are right catastrophsing would only make things worse. 🩵

    What are your favourite techniques for emotionally regulating? I was curious about your mention of somatic techniques earlier. I’m always keen to try new things. 🩵

    That is a shame it doesn’t copy and paste. It must be because I’m on a mobile.

    Thank you for your kindness Tee and for not judging me! It means more than you know. You’re an angel 😇 🩵

    I’ll try and keep it short and sweet, because I read that you’re stepping back from tb a bit and working on a project. Please take as much time as you need to reply. No rush. 🩵

    I’m actually a quiet person with a soft voice. It is a challenge for me to sound more serious. 😊

    Fortunately, it never got to the stage of needing to prevent myself from acting on them. 🩵

    Yes, it was all very frightening. I guess they need to do these things because they have to rule out psychosis which could lead to a baby being harmed.

    Therapy for post partum depression is not really recommended. They tend to rely on medication, but I was breastfeeding couldn’t take medication until I stopped.

    I had a short course of therapy for the intrusive thoughts because I started having panic attacks. Now, I have a good albeit expensive therapist who specialises in postpartum, neurodivergence and trauma. All is well that ends well. 😊

    Yes, she did blame us and didn’t want to admit her mistakes. I think admitting mistakes is important because it is not healthy to gloss over abuse. The gaslighting is so harmful of course. In a way, I was lucky that my abuse was so cut and dry. The attempts at gaslighting were rather transparent.

    With the blaming and gaslighting along with the physical needs being taken care of, as well as the abuse. I imagine it would be rather confusing for a child and hard to understand clearly what is going on. 🩵

    She tried to get help by the time I was in my tweens. She was taking medication for a while before, but the doctor she had was not helpful and just brushed her off as depressed. She needed a lot more than antidepressants.

    It wasn’t until we moved to a bigger town and her doctor changed that she started getting more help and she was taken more seriously. We got a social worker who was terrible. We did family therapy briefly which was useless. Then she let me go to therapy on my own. Eventually she started seeing her own psychologist or psychiatrist and was institutionalised.

    Yes, I agree. When I was in school we didn’t have psychologists at all. Schools here do have them now though, I hear, which is an upgrade.

    That is a shame your school psychologist didn’t bother with other kids only the troublesome ones. I agree, all children should be supported to the fullest extent. You deserved help and care as much as any other child. 🩵

    It is a shame that your school’s psychologist was viewed as problematic by children. That must have discouraged children from actively seeking help?

    I feel like teachers are in the best position to pick up on difficulties that children have, since they spend the most time with them. It would be great if they had some trauma informed training to spot signs of difficulties and I agree with you about mental health support. It is such a shame that they are so overworked. 🩵

    Thinking of you, take care 🩵

    #453057
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    thank you for your kind words and prayers ❤️ Truth be told, I’m not that resilient, or rather, I’m learning to become more resilient, since the circumstances are forcing me… but I hope things improve soon enough 🙏

    I’m happy that the postpartum depression (as well as pre-birth mental health screening) are all behind you now, and that you’ve found a good therapist whom you trust and feel safe with ❤️

    Yes, that sounds like a very challenging and scary period, but you did your best, were well prepared, arranged help… and you’ve made it! You’re now on the other side, sailing some calmer waters, and you seem well equipped to deal with any potential challenges. So again, kudos to you, Alessa, for being such a great mom! 🤞❤️

    What are your favourite techniques for emotionally regulating? I was curious about your mention of somatic techniques earlier. I’m always keen to try new things.

    For me, the most eye-opening was the idea that my chronic back pain (which has thankfully subsided in the last year or so) usually gets worse if I’m fearing it, i.e. if my brain is interpreting it as something dangerous. Because that’s when the muscles contract, leading to even more pain. The more I focus on the pain, fearing it and catastrophizing about the future, the worse off I’m going to be.

    There is a youtube video that nicely demonstrates how to deal with pain anxiety, and how observing it with curiosity rather than fearing it and panicking about it – is likely to reduce the symptoms. The video is titled Anxiety Regulation to Reduce Chronic Pain (pt 2 of 2) — Pain Reprocessing with Alan Gordon, LCSW, and it’s on the youtube channel called “This Might Hurt.”

    The method is called somatic tracking. Another therapist, Tanner Murtagh, also has a very good youtube channel on somatic tracking. The goal is to feel more safe in the body and not associate pain with danger. Basically, being curious and simply observe the pain, similarly to how one would observe their emotions in mindfulness meditation.

    Other somatic tools are simple ones, like belly breathing with a longer exhale, or self-hug, or various grounding techniques.

    But to be honest, when I’m sad or upset, the best method for me is to let myself feel it (have a good cry 😊), and in the process even come to certain insights. So emotional release and processing, of course in the safety and privacy of my home…

    She tried to get help by the time I was in my tweens. She was taking medication for a while before, but the doctor she had was not helpful and just brushed her off as depressed. She needed a lot more than antidepressants.

    Perhaps one good thing about your mother is that she did eventually seek help, even though you’d suffered a lot before that happened. I’m sorry she didn’t get proper treatment at first and that her condition was brushed off as depression, all the while she was abusive to you and your brother 😕

    Good that she eventually let you see a psychologist on your own – which means that her grip on you did subside a little, I hope? Like, she could see that what she was doing is not normal, so there was some self-awareness in there, even if it’s just an inkling… and that I guess helped you free yourself from her grip, slowly but surely…

    That is a shame your school psychologist didn’t bother with other kids only the troublesome ones. I agree, all children should be supported to the fullest extent. You deserved help and care as much as any other child.

    Ah, that was normal in those times. I never considered myself abused. It was emotional abuse “only” – I guess not even adults knew about it in those times, not to mention children. I guess broken bones and a bruised face (and perhaps sudden bad marks) would have been the only warning signs that mattered. But in the absence of that, it wasn’t an issue. Not even I knew there was an issue… (thankfully I know now 🙏)

    I feel like teachers are in the best position to pick up on difficulties that children have, since they spend the most time with them. It would be great if they had some trauma informed training to spot signs of difficulties and I agree with you about mental health support. It is such a shame that they are so overworked

    Yeah, trauma informed training for teachers, that would be amazing. But I guess the biggest task still lies on the parents and their level of awareness. It’s good that more and more parents have started to learn about conscious parenting and realizing that the child’s emotional needs are important too, not just their physical needs. So that’s something that brings hope for future generations… 🤞 🙏

    Thanks so much for your kindness and support, Alessa!

    ❤️❤️

    #453095
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    I will write more Fri morning. But for now I totally agree with everything you wrote about school personnel missing signs of abuse like vomiting, fainting, digestive problems, even shyness. There are so many reactions to abuse.

    🤍🤍 Anita

    #453113
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    First thing I want to say (made it safely home, yeah!) is that I will never intentionally ignore you. This is a promise!

    Personally, I prefer to not communicate with anyone here in the forums AND on email, but if the forums/ website become unavailable I would love to communicate with you over email and phone, if you would like that (I have your email address). It’d be exciting to meet you in-person one day!

    *Intrusive Thoughts Trigger Warning-

    What I had in mind to tell you earlier (during the hours long drive) was in regard to the intrusive thoughts you shared about. I never shared this before, but as a teenager+ I had similar thoughts in regard to babies/ young children I came across, like this one cousin. I didn’t know of the term “intrusive thoughts” back then (I did suffer from heavy-duty OCD, diagnosed much later, in my 20s), but the thoughts freaked me out, I felt evil and I was greatly distressed. I didn’t act on those thoughts but they so distressed me.

    When I saw back then babies freely crying, freely laughing, freely just being, I got angry because I was not allowed to cry or express anything freely. I had to suppress everything day in and day out, and I was jealous/ envious of children who weren’t STOPPED from expressing. I was so envious, I wanted to stop them from having the privileges I was denied. To just be, to just breathe freely.

    Looking back, I understand that I was not a bad person for feeling what I felt, for being envious and angry.. and for the (intrusive) thoughts I had.

    And when I think of you having had the intrusive thoughts you had, I feel nothing but empathy for you, as well as gratitude that neither one of us acted on those thoughts.

    You are a wonderful person and a wonderful mother. Thank you for.. being YOU!!!

    *Please let me know if you’re okay with what I shared..???

    So, the beagle is home, he’s scared, everything here is unfamiliar to him and no single dog here to welcome him (there were DOZENS where he’s from, including his parents and siblings) The car is full of vomit (too dark out to attempt to clean it). The smell is still in my nose.. But love is reaching beyond smells and mishaps. I already love him!

    And, good news: so, he wouldn’t get on his newly purchased dog bed. But I gently placed sliced turkey in front of him, then placed some on his dog bed.. then more on the center of his dog bed..

    And guess who is lying down on his dog bed..? (Not me, ha-ha)

    🤍 🙏 🤍Anita

    #453128
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Tee

    Sorry this is a bit of a long one. Please feel free to take your time and skip parts that you need to. 🩵

    I understand, funnily enough I credit me being ready to be a parent to my health issues. Without it, I don’t think I would have been mature enough. It is strange the way that life teaches us these lessons.

    You might not feel confident in your resilience yet, but I definitely see it in you! I hope that doesn’t feel too strange? 🩵

    Yes, there is definitely an element of have to with chronic health issues. I’m glad to hear that your back pain has subsided over time. 🩵

    My understanding is that when there is an actual injury muscles contract around the area to protect it. It is fascinating to learn that this happens at times when no injury is present and only perceived too. I didn’t know that!

    There is nothing wrong with having a good cry. 😊

    I feel like it might be normal to be afraid of chronic health issues when we start having them. It is a big change that takes a lot of adjustment and it is especially not easy to lose mobility and deal with huge amounts of pain.

    But over time you learn to manage them and figure out coping mechanisms.
    Which is exactly what you did. Yes, there will be new challenges, but you have the skills to cope with them now because you worked hard on developing them. 🩵

    Thank you sharing, as well as for the resources! I subscribed and I’m going to have enjoy learning all about the techniques you mentioned. 🩵

    I’m glad that you learned about the difficulties that occur with your childhood trauma and got help for it. Despite it not being recognised at the time. It is a difficult position to be in with the damaging effects of constant verbal abuse are only recently being acknowledged and previously constantly dismissed. Gaslighting, to the extreme. No one deserves to suffer alone. I’m glad that you fought for yourself to get through it all. At the same time it is a shame because it should not be that way. 🩵 🩵

    Yes, it is just the early infancy phase that is really tough. Toddlers are much easier for me. I find the positive communication style that children need really helpful mentally too. I think being around so much negativity growing up taught me to be quite negative. It is nice developing a strong positive voice. 🩵

    I got some news. It seems like my son is going to be starting nursery in spring instead of January. It looks like he’ll be accepted for the nursery that was picked, but they don’t have any space until then. I guess it gives me some time to process the idea of him going to nursery. It is also a really good nursery, so worth the wait. More time to potty train him as well.

    I feel like in some ways, I have been exploring understanding my mother’s difficulties because I recognise that a part of her lives on in me. I’m trying to come to terms with that part of myself.

    I’m not going to pretend that I got help for a good reason. When I was a child I just hated my mother and recognised that I was becoming like her. I didn’t want to become like her. She told me that I was just like her. I tried my best to change as much as I could.

    I feel like my mother may not have got help for positive reasons either. She was suicidal, so she got help.

    *trigger warning*

    She finally stopped hitting and the sa when we were old enough to fight back. And it really was a fight. It was too little, too late.

    I know that she lied about the things she did. Both to me and authorities. I know that she remembers what she did because she discussed things I did to try and put her off from the SA with her friend. You don’t remember one without the other. They were very much linked. The friend asked me about it.

    She was willing to apologise to me, for whatever she did that she doesn’t remember doing. That was not enough for me. You can’t gloss over that kind of abuse. I only asked for her to acknowledge what she had done and apologise to me personally. I would have forgiven her and stayed in contact if she was genuine. I told her that if she couldn’t acknowledge what she had done, I would cut contact. She cared more about her own feelings.

    There are a bunch of reasons that explain what happened. She was very young, mentally ill and alone. Her father sexually abused her. If things had been different for her, perhaps things would have been different for me. The world shapes us. But it doesn’t take away from what happened and the pain I experienced at her hands.

    Life is complicated and sometimes bad things happen. Good people can make mistakes. Bad people can sometimes do good things, particularly when they benefit from it.

    It is not a satisfying conclusion. But this is life. Thank you for your kindness, as well as for being there whilst I was exploring it. 🩵 🩵 🩵

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    Alessa
    Participant

    Dear Anita

    It is okay, please don’t worry. I didn’t think you were ignoring me. I figured that if I asked everything would be okay. 🤍

    Of course, I’d be happy to communicate outside of the forum, if it comes to that. I understand that you have had bad experiences communicating by email in the past. If you ever want to reach out sooner please feel free. No pressure.

    I think it is really special to be in contact with people who have the same drive to heal from childhood trauma. I have joined other forums in the past, but this one doesn’t feel hopeless like some others do. It’s truly unique. 🤍

    Of course it is okay to share! I think that discussing these things being a taboo is very detrimental to mental health.

    I’m sorry to hear that you experienced distressing intrusive thoughts too. Brains are funny things. Ironically, that we find the thoughts abhorrent causes them to reoccur. But how many have do people in passing say I’m so mad I could kill x or y and genuinely not mean it? Just a hyperbolic phrase. 🤍

    I’m glad that you managed to recover from your intrusive thoughts and you no longer blame yourself for them. 🤍

    I’m glad to hear that you and your pup got home safely! It sounds like he is settling in nicely and warming up to you quickly. Since you have a lot of detergent I’m sure that you will find one that works well for you. If not, there are ones with enzymes specifically for pet urine and such. I’m sure you’re both going to have a lot of fun together. 😄 🤍 🤍 🤍

    #453130
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    First, responding to what you shared today in your first post: I am glad 😊 that you give yourself credit for being ready to be a parent. I very much relate to you saying that being around so much negativity growing up taught you to be quite negative and that it’s nice developing a strong positive voice. This is very true to me and developing a strong positive voice is.. very new to me and it’s very pleasant.

    I am glad that your son was accepted to a very good nursery starting in the Spring, so more time for preparation (including potty training).

    I also relate to you hating your mother when you were a child and not wanting to be like her, as well as to your mother’s history (being very young and mentally ill and in regard to my mother, possibly having been sexually abused herself). Both of our mothers deserve empathy for the abuse and misfortune they went through as children, but they deserve no empathy whatsoever for the abuse they inflicted on their own children, so empathy in context.

    My mother too never apologized and I find it fascinating when considering the distinction between good people and bad people- if there’s goodness in a person who does bad things, how come THROUGHOUT DECADES there’s NEVER an apology? (the big case letters are for emphasis as well as expressing my A.N.G.E.R about it!) I am curious to read your thoughts about it, Alessa.

    Second, in regard to your second message that you addressed to me:

    I am glad you didn’t think I was ignoring you and that you felt comfortable asking me why I didn’t post in your thread, and that it’s okay with you that I shared about my intrusive thoughts (I was worried) 🤍

    You are right, people do say in passing things like “I’m so mad I could kill x or y” and genuinely not mean it. Coming to think about it, it would have been almost nice if my mother said to me: “I’m so mad I could kill you” in comparison to what she did say: “I will kill you!”

    Yes, the pup got home, but scared. I was worried but less so today because when I first approached him in his dog bed, he wagged his tail just a bit. I didn’t know that there are detergents with enzymes. I need that! Thank you 🙏 for the advice!

    🤍 🤍 🤍 Anita

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