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February 16, 2022 at 12:21 pm #392841AnonymousGuest
Dear Dandan:
I am sorry that you were hurting before and that you are hurting now. Before we continue, I want to understand, why is it that she doesn’t have the link to tiny buddha, what happened to her online connection?
anita
February 16, 2022 at 1:13 pm #392854AnonymousGuestDear Dandan:
Having read through our previous communication, it looks like what is happening recently is the same-old-same-old pattern, or cycle which you mentioned in your previous thread, under a different account back in early 2021: “When I break up with her… I value her and miss her. But when I start talking to her back, I get the stress and bad feelings… This cycle has been going on“.
Fast forward, February 2022, she moved on and as a result, you currently value and missed her. But f she makes the mistake yet again and allows you back into her life, you will once again get the stress and bad feelings again, and ignore her, just as you have done most recently. Next, she moves on… again, and you value and miss her… again, and so on, and on and on.
You described the same pattern, or cycle in regard to your work life back in April 2021: “I sent an email accepting the offer. But immediately after I sent the email, I started panicking so badly, that I couldn’t sleep. All negative thoughts of getting lonely etc… Finally, I sent a mail again rejecting the offer… I have this feeling is grass is greener the other side on all the aspects of my life. Every single thing… My mind keeps switching so frequently“-
– this is why I wrote to you earlier today that it is for her benefit that she really does move on. If she allows you back into her life, she is in for the same-old, same-old pattern of heartache. Please don’t chase her, that would be too selfish, Dandan.
anita
February 16, 2022 at 4:19 pm #392873DandanParticipantLot of things happened towards the end of last year. We were not in touch for about 5 months or so. But we started being in touch since September or October. Things became more complicated. I wanted her to actually move on and be happy, coming out of this complicated thing. I didn’t go back to her for more than 5 months. She pinged me on insta asking how am I. (Though I was also tempted to send her a message but resisted myself, sent Hi couple of times but unsent it cuz i felt guilty to start that again) when she pinged me asking how i am, we spoke casually. In few days she says she is ok for casual conversation every now and then. I was struggling to move on even till then. I wasn’t able to look for other profiles for marriage. This conversations went next level when one day she sent an emotional message starting with something like, was it so difficult being with me, etc… Ending with some message about her marriage progress. This emotional message triggered back the feelings in my mind to front. I couldn’t resist. I was chating with her about this and told her the truth that i wasn’t able to move on and i am in the same mind set. It all started again. Now she is gone, moved on. She doesn’t want this. She told me all possible words that I can’t hear from her. I am still the same, in the same mindset, not being able to forget her. I was only running away from as it was heavy to handle, the emotion. I should have taken a stand at some time. I feel horrible. Couldn’t sleep at all last two days and been walking with anxiety for more than 20km a day. I am scared that i will go completely mad, or that my life is gone as i am not able to forget her still and couldn’t tolerate this pain.
She does not have a link to this topic, nor does she know the title so she can’t read this.
February 16, 2022 at 4:23 pm #392874DandanParticipantShe has link to tinybudha but not to this particular topic
February 16, 2022 at 7:41 pm #392884samyParticipantHi Dandan
I’m from Bangalore too :). I think you should delete all your social media. And the urge you have to leave the country is actually strong. You are scared of what it might turn into abroad, but remember you can always come back. Even 2-3 years away will be a great experience for you. You seem to already have skills to crack interviews.
You are not ready for relationships. I think your life has been too serious, so serious relationships feel heavy. You probably have a fear of missing out and that is why you keep stalking your ex. But in your first post you actually wanted to live by choice with freedom. Why don’t you decide you will go for a year only first and do it. The problem with discussing with everyone is most people benefit from you staying here. You going away reaps no benefits for your friends. We were all new at some place at some time. In fact, since you said you are sensitive, some space from all the present drama would do you great.
Focus on yourself. I am scared of being single too. But I feel like you need to be ready to be in a relationship and not just afraid of being too old. I have the exact same fears. You are so down now, I don’t think a relationship will bring you up. You need a fresh environment. It may sound silly but I am planning on moving to Hyderabad for this reason. It may not seem like a real move to you but for me it is a big deal :). I think you should do it. I know you said “35, then 40 and then I’ll die”. That won’t change anyways. Why tie yourself down already when you are ready to explore the world. Fear is normal. Even I have insane fears about moving to Hyderabad and I am Telugu :). But we can do it. And you are not too old if you are ready to look outside arranged marriage. For men even 35 is ok.
February 16, 2022 at 7:46 pm #392887AnonymousGuestDear Dandan:
I will be back to you in about 12 hours from now.
anita
February 16, 2022 at 8:37 pm #392890AnonymousGuestDear Dandan:
I figured I can answer you before (my) morning.
“She has link to tinybudha but not to this particular topic” – your topic is on the first page of topics. If she checks tiny buddha, she will see your screen name on the first page. She doesn’t need the title of your thread to know that you posted because she is familiar with your screen name, “Dandan”.
“Lot of things happened towards the end of last year. We were not in touch for about 5 months or so” – but nothing really happened than what already happened, over and over again.
“I feel horrible. Couldn’t sleep at all last two days and been walking with anxiety for more than 20km a day. I am scared that i will go completely mad, or that my life is gone as I am not able to forget her still and couldn’t tolerate this pain” – same as you felt and experienced before, over and over again.
So, what is new, really?
anita
February 16, 2022 at 10:21 pm #392891DandanParticipantHi Anita,
My intention is really not to make her read this thread. Earlier my user name was kpd something i guess. My First post was in relationship category which I deleted cuz i didn’t want her to read it and created another one in purpose category. I don’t want her to read this by any chance. I can also change the username. Do you suggest I not post here anymore as she might read ?
February 17, 2022 at 12:21 am #392894DandanParticipantAnita,
I understand i need to move on too. It is being so hard and my soul hurts that i couldn’t sleep work or do anything at all. I won’t chase her anyway, i have decided that. I want her to start a happy life. But yes as always it is hard for me but now it is 10x more. I am trying to get normal. Thanks for your responses throughout my tough times. I really appreciate it.
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February 17, 2022 at 12:23 am #392895DandanParticipantHi Samy,
Thanks for your response, yes once upon a time i wanted to go out and experience the life once. But now inam slowly settling down with where i work, trying to do different things like a new side business or something. Though right now I am going through a tough phase, i will get back on the career track hopefully soon. Once again thanks for your response.
February 17, 2022 at 12:51 am #392898TeeParticipantDear Dandan,
I am sorry to hear things haven’t been better for you. I agree with anita that you feeling horrible about her leaving doesn’t mean that you would be able to be happy with her – because you yourself said that you are in the same mindset. And this mindset is that you, due to your internal struggles, aren’t able to be happy in a relationship. If I remember well, about a year ago you visited her in the town she lived, and you spent a few perfect days together, but after that, you ran away again.
When she was close, you couldn’t bear it, it was choking you. Since you are still in the same mindset, dealing with the same internal struggles, even if she appeared again in your life, it wouldn’t make you happy. It may for a few short days, but after that, it would be same old, same old. She recognized that, and after your last interaction, she decided to withdraw completely. To not initiate contact again, because it always ends the same – you rejecting her.
So please stop believing that her returning would make any significant difference.
I am still the same, in the same mindset, not being able to forget her. I was only running away from as it was heavy to handle, the emotion.
The problem is that until you handle your internal struggle, which causes you to experience another person’s love and care as heaviness – you won’t be able to have a healthy relationship.
I should have taken a stand at some time.
You couldn’t, because the internal pain isn’t letting you. You couldn’t go against your current reality, which is that you aren’t ready. And that’s only fair: to admit to yourself that at the moment, you aren’t ready. If you said yes and got married while this internal issue isn’t resolved, you would end up in a very unhappy marriage, possibly with children, and you feeling even worse for not being able to be a good father and husband. Think about that. By saying no you prevented an even bigger suffering.
I feel horrible. Couldn’t sleep at all last two days and been walking with anxiety for more than 20km a day. I am scared that i will go completely mad, or that my life is gone as i am not able to forget her still and couldn’t tolerate this pain.
You have suffered from anxiety for a long time, even before you met her. If she were to return, you would be anxious again, the heavy feeling would be there again. Please understand that. But this doesn’t mean that your life is ruined. Your life, with the capital L, hasn’t even begun! You can get better, you can heal those internal issues (including the heavy feeling you get in intimate relationships), you can also reduce your anxiety. Your life can be much better. But you need to decide you want to try.
February 17, 2022 at 4:09 am #392901DandanParticipantHi Teak,
Thank you so much for the response. I understand i need to sort my internal wounds. Last year i couldn’t do it. I had no social interaction with people. Only people i went to meet were my friends in my home town who always made me drink. So partying was the only thing I did to tackle my loneliness anxiety and depresion. I did it with regret, for short time happiness because I knew it was hindering my body building. But i couldn’t stay at home for more than 4-5 days cuz working in a room alone day long with my own thoughts is so difficult. Now I think I should have rectified my mind which makes it feel heavy with an intimate relationship. But i did concentrate only on my body building since last April after i asked her to move on. Because i thought the unaccomplishment feeling i get from not doing body building for a long time is also a reason for my depression. I also genuinely wanted her to move on because I knew I was hurting her. I controlled myself and didn’t MSG her for months. Until she texted in insta once. I was feeling like texting her too anyway because when i don’t talk to her i always lived in an imaginary life with her. Imagining watching movies, having kids triplets specifically and everything. I was living in imagination. My body building and everything i wanted to share with her. I wanted to share that happiness with her . Now it doesn’t makes sense to workout or do anything at all. I never really moved on completely. I couldn’t move on. Whenever she asked me this during November December and Jan, i said the same. I couldn’t look for other profiles and couldn’t get over this. But heavy feel and anxiety was there. Now I regret i should have taken treatment medicine or anything to rectify that. That regret hurts a lot. But i feel I started getting better since this Jan. I was much better than last year. But now she is gone. She was irreplaceable for me. I couldn’t bear this pain. I am scared this pain is eternal.
I am not going to chase her or anything. But i am doomed . I couldn’t even cry. It feels like my soul is tearing apart.
February 17, 2022 at 8:17 am #392914TeeParticipantDear Dandan,
you are welcome.
I understand i need to sort my internal wounds. Last year i couldn’t do it.
So how about doing it this year? The sooner you start, the sooner there will be some positive change. Unless you want to keep stuck in regret:
Now I think I should have rectified my mind which makes it feel heavy with an intimate relationship. … Now I regret i should have taken treatment medicine or anything to rectify that. That regret hurts a lot.
You are prone to regret things. The title of this thread is about your career regrets. Now your focus is on your relationship regrets. There will be always something to regret, Dandan, always something to be in pain for… even if she were with you, you would be depressed about something else, wouldn’t you?
I couldn’t bear this pain. I am scared this pain is eternal.
It will be eternal – if you let it. If you only focus on loss and regret, if you give up hope, if you see yourself as doomed. Then yes, it will be eternal, and things will go downward for you. Perhaps your health will start suffering too (e.g. too much alcohol causes liver problems), and you will be in a much worse place than you are now. And your regret will be even bigger. Now you still have your health and vitality, so it’s not late to turn around.
You can do it, Dandan, if you make a decision that this is the rock bottom for you, and that from now on, you want to go up. Perhaps with some slip-ups, but nevertheless: up, towards healing, towards greater self-esteem, towards better relationships… towards Life with the capital L!
February 17, 2022 at 1:59 pm #392969AnonymousGuestDear Dandan:
First, I will quote from you, second, my understanding:
April 2021 “I get zoned out and get depressed for no reason, even among friends. I feel always low for no reason. I get all the energy from people around me, who are more positive and enthusiastic, self-sufficient and bold. I get happy and enthusiastic when there is something interesting and enjoyable to do with the people around me. I derive energy and vibes from the people around me. With myself, I am mostly low and depressed, for no reason… My mom too is like me. She feels low most of the time. If she is surrounded by a dull environment, she feels low. And I am also like her. If I am with a dull company, I automatically feel low and depressed”.
June 2021: “Whenever I watch a series in Netflix or any happy moments, I can’t stop imagining sharing the joy with her, crazy things we could do, I do, the laughter etc. These images and scenes keep flashing in my mind. I couldn’t forget her. I stalk her insta page, … When I talk to her, I don’t want her, and things feel heavy. When I don’t talk to her, I feel I want her, and I miss her”.
February 2022: “When I don’t talk to her, I always lived in an imaginary life with her. Imagining watching movies, having kids, triplets specifically and everything. I was living in imagination. My body building and everything I wanted to share with her. I wanted to share that happiness with her. Now it doesn’t make sense to work out or do anything at all… But now she is gone. She was irreplaceable for me. I couldn’t bear this pain. I am scared this pain is eternal. I am not going to chase her or anything. But I am doomed. I couldn’t even cry. It feels like my soul is tearing apart”.
Second part, my current understanding: when you talk to her on the phone, or when you are in her physical company, you experience her as dull, and as a result, you feel bored, low and depressed (“If I am with a dull company, I automatically feel low and depressed“).
When you don’t talk to her, and when you are not in her physical company, you IMAGINE being with her, and as a result, you feel energetic, positive, enthusiastic, self-sufficient, bold, happy, interested (not bored) and joyful: “I get all the energy from people around me, who are more positive and enthusiastic, self-sufficient and bold. I get happy and enthusiastic when there is something interesting and enjoyable to do with the people around me“.
“Whenever I watch a series in Netflix or any happy moments, I can’t stop imagining sharing the joy with her… These images and scenes keep flashing in my mind…. When I talk to her, I don’t want her, and things feel heavy. When I don’t talk to her, I feel I want her, and I miss her… When I don’t talk to her, I always lived in an imaginary life with her. Imagining watching movies, having kids, triplets specifically and everything. I was living in imagination” –
Imagining her MOTIVATES you to work out and everything positive: “My body building and everything I wanted to share with her. I wanted to share that happiness with her. Now it doesn’t make sense to work out or do anything at all“.
“But now she is gone. She was irreplaceable for me” – thing is, you can imagine being with her and as a result feel energetic and motivated only if you know that she would be available to talk with you and be with you if you were interested. You can’t get the imagining going if she is no longer available to you.
She is irreplaceable for you, not as a woman or a person, but as a source of imagination and motivation- as long as you are not with her because you don’t want to be with her, not because she doesn’t want to be with you.
You asked me: “Do you suggest I not post here anymore as she might read?” – no, I am not suggesting that. You are welcome to post again anytime, as many times as you want, as long as it helps you without hurting her.
anita
February 18, 2022 at 10:20 am #392992DandanParticipantThank you Anita & Teak for your responses,
Long post warning.
It is true that we don’t value things when we have it and we feel bad after we lose it. I couldn’t understand in my case what it was. I wasn’t able to move on, till now. It felt bad to to look at other marriage profiles. Also to date someone. Her thoughts were constantly running in my. Always. I realised recently the reason for my depression. Atleast the major reason. It is because of the unhealthy life style i was living since my school. During my 7th grade I did my first stage dance performance on my school. I did dance decently for a first time. People praised and I liked that. I used to dance in other completions within school and I got a bit famous of it. Not so big but a little bit. I liked that feeling. I wanted it more. But the people I liked being with were a year seniors, and not guys who study well and be polite. I liked roaming with seniors and guys who were last benchers. Though I was an introvert myself. They introduced me to porn at 7th grade. For 9th grade I moved to near by town to a different school. There was no option for dancing or any sports. Again, the kind of PPL was with all had bad habits, they thought me smoking, and eventually drinking from 11th grade. It was kind of cool. I used to study well though. Along with these habits from school. Slowly these habits became the main entertainment of my life, though internally i had this wish for dancing. But I didn’t do anything for that. I used to get crush easily back then. Because I was so weak. I was introduced to gym and workout by one of my friend. Also a senior. We among friends had this healthy and egoistic thing for body building. I had my best physique in 12 th grade. Just with home workouts. I joined college, had first relationship. Drinking was on and off. But I was so obsessed with relationship and physical intimacy that i didn’t bother dancing or body building. 6 years went. I did nothing in college except getting placed. And in my first job, work was important. People noticed me dancing during a DJ and they appreciated. But again, the friends I joined at work, they induced smoking and drinking again. It was a new kind of fun drinking with new Ppl from different states of India. My drinking worsened since then. Every Friday we drank. All were crazy drinkers. I like drinking too but I remember I easily agreed to drink even when I did not feel like because of my friends. Also to the addiction to the party situation and not the alcohol. From then, for next 5-6 years, drinking was the only thing i had to do. I used to pay for gym every month but never hit the gym a single day. I was so bad at saying no. And also easily give in to the party addiction. But I worked hard. I learnt many technologies and switched companies cracking interviews with higher salaries. Though the truth is i could have landed in FAANG companies had i worked harder. Because partying was my priority. I have made bad decisions due to drinking. During 2018 i started realising i have wasted so many years and still didn’t do workout and get my dream physique. And learn dance professionally and express myself. That regret of unaccomplishment piled up in my brain. But still I continued drinking only, cuz drinking numbs the ambitions. I have never had a healthy lifestyle. I read somewhere that dopomine bubbles are created when we do productive activities like workout, running, books, work, etc and those bubbles are bursted when we do unproductive things like drinking binge watching etc. I have been bursting those dopomine bubbles all my life. And the fear that i am aging, and still havent accomplished those creates anxiety. But still I did not work on those and went back drinking. That is one of the main reason. I think a lot, so when I don’t have anything to do i have time and energy to think a lot of unnecessary stuffs. During the starting stage of this relationship i had some bad baggage of feelings because of the sister issues which I had told about earlier. But since lockdown I went into depression, sitting and working at home. Part of which is because i couldn’t go work outside India, didn’t get my dream physique, didn’t learn dancing or do anything in arts. I didn’t do anything at home during the lockdown and that increases my overthinking. Last year when I asked her to move on, i was carrying all these baggages, i wasn’t able to commmit myself. I saw her struggling so with a heavy heart i said it to her. That exact day I also had a meeting with my manager about onsite opportunities, working in different country for few months and he said no there is no option. That was also bugging me. My mom was sick that day and we were worried if it is covid. It later turned out it was covid. But that day when she asked about my decision, i asked her move on. I continued typing something and she had blocked by the time. I didn’t want text her again because i did not have an answer with me so no point in contacting. I worked on my physique for 3 months. During which i was so hurt too and had created this post here. But again later kn September i went back to drink and lost all progress that i made till then. It was on and off. Kept trying till new year. But we started talking casually since September i guess. Initially it was all normal. Initially it was all normal. One day she sent long text emotionally asking was it so difficult eing with her, and ended with saying their family has zeroed in on a potential groom. Hearing this i got triggered. I couldn’t stand it. Messaged what i felt. And i started messaging in whatsapp well. Again it was on and off. I was still struggling with my workouts. Lost progress. I was so obsessed with six packs abs. But kept drinking till the end. We have spoke about us getting back couple of times. And i was the same. Whenever she asked me if i was able to look at other girls for marriage my answer was no. I couldn’t look for other profiles and infact that used to give me anxiety. During this new year she asked something about this. She said she misses me, and that we both are anyway not able to move apart, and stuff like that. I was upset because i didn’t make abs till now. And have to start all over again. I couldn’t tell her anything. On Jan 14 she asked how much have i moved on, i did not answer at all cuz i know i was the same as before. She said she moved on 4.5 out of 5. And that everytime I go to my friends to drink her feelings decreases. I didn’t pay attention even still. Even in Feb starting. My parents got serious about marriage and i started realising i wont be able to look at other profiles and i had her deep in mind. Since Jan i am making good progress in workout. But in Feb once i went to meet friends for some occasion and stuck there for a week drinking day heavily. The first day she asked me if i had met someone in the marriage i went and i said no. I was drinking then, she asked me to think about my belly and stop. I said 2 more. And she said i have absolutely no hope. I sent a laughing smiley cuz i was high. 5 days later, i got a message from her saying she agreed to her parents to look for profiles for her. I was so regretting going to friends that time. I was anyway not able to forget her. And as she told it i broke down, i asked aren’t we gonna try us again, she asked if the reasons i left her last year was overcome or not. And we spoke normaly till next day when she said she feels guilty talking to me when she agreed to her father to look for grooms. She got ao mad that day and said she doesn’t want this and i was so late etc. Hours and hours of conversation. But i broke down and started convincing her. She didn’t agree. Next day she said this wont workout at all. That day evening o started talking casually with her. She too replied. I understood it was a casual conversation with ex. We had casual chat for a week i guess. And again last Sunday i had to go to meet friends for another marriage. This time i resisted a lot for drinking. But finally they forced me and gave in. Drank. And that time she had sent me a video and asked translation for it on my language, i didn’t reply for long. She somehow found i was drinking and suddenly called me up. I didn’t pick up the call as i for paniked. Didn’t have any excuse to tell. She deleted my number from her contacts. Her replies were different from then. She said like it is my life and she doesn’t care. The next day when i texted, she again said we shouldn’t text. She had explained everything already. It was a lengthy conversation. She said everything, asking me to leave her alone etc. And that she doesn’t want a husband who drinks a lot. Who has bad company. And also other reasons like she had already moved on when i left her last year. She says it is not a sudden decision the the process that haplened since last year. I understood that.
Now bodybuilding or dancing doesn’t even make sense. I don’t feel like doing it. It hurts a lot. I also realise what is important in life. Abs or dancing is not permanent. A girl who loved me unconditionally, whom i also loved, i wasn’t able to express my love, become a bit bold and handle the heaviness. I regret i didn’t take a stand earlier. I keep thinking of each and every time she asked me even during recent days. I shouldn’t have gone for drinking, things could have been different. I should not have let her go last year. All these thoughts now. Now my mind is full of her thoughts. Imagining gifs of her laughs smiles, walk, dressing, hugging, intimacy, everything. I miss her. I was so stupid to let her go.
Sorry for the long lost. I couldn’t stop thinking about these so wrote.
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