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September 28, 2025 at 9:55 am #450392
Peter
ParticipantHi everyone
In a world that often asks us to choose between silence and shouting, I’ve come to wonder if there’s a third way, stillness in action. Not passive. Not aggressive. But present.
I’m going to attempt to use the following Sufi and Zen stories to illustrate the third way ‘stillness in action’ I’ve been trying to communicate. Reframing the conflict within the tension of political discord I’ve been trying to engage and come to terms with. Next to explore this third way, I’ve imagined a conversation between Layla and Zafar, two voices navigating the fire of rhetoric and the longing for connection.
This Sufi story, often attributed to Rumi, tells of people who enter a dark room where an elephant is kept. Each person touches a different part, the trunk, the leg, the ear… and describes the elephant based on their limited experience. One says it’s like a snake, another like a pillar, another like a fan…. “If each had a candle and came together, the differences would disappear.”
Zen Koan: Is That So? This koan tells of a Zen master named Hakuin. A young woman in the village becomes pregnant and names Hakuin as the father. When confronted, he simply replies, “Is that so?” He accepts the child and cares for it. Later, the woman confesses the truth and the child is returned. Again, Hakuin says, “Is that so?”
Reflection:
There are days when I read a headline or hear a soundbite and feel my chest tighten. The words are sharp, the tone dismissive, the posture combative. My first impulse is to recoil, to label, to judge, to turn away…. It’s not just disagreement. It’s discomfort. And beneath that a deep sadness that we’ve forgotten how to speak to one another.Rumi’s story of the elephant in the dark comes to mind. Each person touches only a part, and each insists they know the whole. I’ve done this too. I’ve mistaken my corner of the elephant for the entire truth and expected everyone to see by its light and, sometimes, become righteous when they didn’t. ☹
But the story doesn’t end in division. It ends with an invitation: If each had a candle and came together, the differences would disappear. Here coming together doesn’t mean agreement. It means presence. It means staying in the room when it’s easier to leave. It means asking, what part of the elephant have you touched? and meaning it.
Zen offers another image. Hakuin, falsely accused and called a disgrace, Hakuin says ‘Is that so?’ Then later when the world called him a saint, he says ‘Is that so?’ Hakuin responds not with outrage but with spaciousness. His peace was not tied to what others said about him. The rhetoric can shift and change, but if your calm or sense of self is not dependent on praise or condemnation, you are free.
I used to read this as unhealthy detachment. Now in the second half of life, I see it as a kind of quiet courage. To remain present without needing to be right. To hold discomfort without turning it into defense.
It’s true that such detachment can become a shield, escape or even indifference if not careful… however, a deeper part of me calls out that that engagement doesn’t mean abandoning stillness. It means letting the stillness hold others too.
In a polarized world, dialogue is not a luxury. It’s a lifeline. And, I think it begins not with cleverness, but with compassion. Not with argument, but with attention. Compassion that makes it safe, even when its not returned, and the choice to stay engaged, to keep the candle lit, makes it brave.
Layla – Zafar Dialogue
Walking home from a family gathering, Layla replays a tense exchange with an in-law who always seems to know how to provoke her. She’s proud that she stood her ground, but the conversation left a bitter taste. The words linger. She’s frustrated not just by the conflict, but by how easily she became reactive and defensive, how quickly she let someone else’s tone shape her own. She wonders why it’s so hard to stay centered when the heat rises.As these thoughts swirl, she notices Zafar sitting quietly beneath a tree, as if waiting for the moment to arrive.
Layla: I don’t know how to do this anymore, Zafar. Every time I try to speak, it feels like I’m walking into fire. They twist my words, mock my tone, and I’m left wondering why I even tried.
Zafar: You tried because something in you still believes that words can be bridges, not weapons. But belief doesn’t mean blindness. It’s okay to feel burned. It’s okay to step back.
Layla: But stepping back feels like giving up. Like I’m letting the loudest voices win.
Zafar: Not all silence is surrender. Some silence is a candle lit for yourself. A way to see your own wound before you try to see theirs.
Layla: I want to believe that. But the space between reaction and response is so small. Sometimes I don’t even notice I’ve crossed it until I’m already defending, already hurting.
Zafar: That space between reaction and response can be sacred even if barely there. A chance to notice before the fire catches. A chance to name it, and in naming, you begin to reclaim the space. Not perfectly. Not always. But gently.
Layla: So what do I do when the rhetoric comes again? When the words are sharp and the posture is rigid?
Zafar: You remember the elephant in the dark. You remember that they’ve touched only a part. And so have you. You ask, not to win, but to understand. And if they won’t meet you there, you still keep your candle lit.
Layla: Even if I’m the only one holding it?
Zafar: Especially then. Because one candle can remind the room that light is still possible.
Layla’s Journal
Zafar’s words are still with me. He didn’t tell me to be stronger. He didn’t ask me to forgive or forget. He simply reminded me that the space I long for, between reaction and response, might begin with noticing.I’ve always thought I had to be ready before I spoke. Clear. Composed. Unshakable. But maybe readiness isn’t the point. Maybe it’s enough to be honest. To say, “This hurts.” To say, “I don’t know how to stay.”
And maybe the candle I hold isn’t for lighting the whole room. Maybe it’s just enough to see my own hands. To remember that I’m still here. Still willing. Still listening.
I don’t know what I’ll do next time the rhetoric flares. But I know I’ll try to pause. To breathe. To ask, “What part of the elephant have you touched?” And to mean it.
There’s a kind of stillness I’m learning to trust, not the stillness of silence or withdrawal, but the stillness that moves with me. That walks into the fire without needing to fight. That listens even when the words sting. That stays, not because it’s easy, but because something deeper is holding me steady.
Maybe that’s what Zafar meant. That stillness isn’t the absence of motion. It’s the presence within it. A rhythm beneath the noise. A candle that doesn’t flicker, even when the wind rises.
September 28, 2025 at 10:43 am #450394Tee
ParticipantHi Peter,
Would those around me call me passive?
No… perhaps… Has my my engagement in this dialogue been passive? What does passivity mean to you?
I’ve only asked because you mentioned it first 🙂
You said:
The second half of life, for me, seems to be about letting go but in a way that makes space for something deeper to emerge. I don’t experience that as passive but can understand how it might seem that way from the outside looking in.I thought you might be referring to people in your life, or those acquainted to you (those “outside looking in”), not necessarily us here on the forum.
In this stillness, To let go is not to withdraw. It is to listen more deeply, to respond without grasping, to be present without needing to be seen.
If passivity means absence, then no, I am not passive. But if it means stillness, then perhaps… and I’m learning to welcome it.
I understand that you have a rich inner life, and that your goal is to spend as much time as possible in stillness, listening deeply, processing whatever inner tension you might feel, and then letting go, both of the need to prove anything (“respond without grasping”), or to be seen in a certain light (“present without needing to be seen”). The result is inner peace and stillness, which if I understood well, is fulfilling and nurturing to you.
Let me know if I got this right?
As for what passivity means for me, hmm, I haven’t thought about it. Perhaps it’s the absence of action that would be necessary and beneficial under the circumstances. Failure to share one’s gifts and talents. Procrastination. Perhaps, in simplest terms, absence of something that should be present 🙂
September 28, 2025 at 1:42 pm #450395Roberta
Participanthi
I would like to relate true story of passivity in action.
When I was a school I was dating a guy (A) a couple of years older. His brother (C) was in my class and one of the girls (T) in our class was (c) best friend. Anyway T & C parents went away for ten days so it was party city at their house. Now T did not come to any of the parties which was strange but I could not attend the last 2 parties due to a commitment. I was told that T would be a the party. It dawned on me that A should really be with T instead of me, so I broke up with him telling him that I know it is T you really want. Yes they did get together at the party. Back at School T comes barreling down the hallway with her mates and thumps me on the arm.
Once I had taken my coat off I calmly walked up to her and stroked her cheek and just said “I am not afraid of you”.
Epilogue A & T got married & had a family & I lived happily ever after ha haSeptember 28, 2025 at 2:05 pm #450397Tee
ParticipantHi Peter,
I love the conversation between Layla and Zafar, as well as your portrayal of Hakuin:
Hakuin responds not with outrage but with spaciousness. His peace was not tied to what others said about him. The rhetoric can shift and change, but if your calm or sense of self is not dependent on praise or condemnation, you are free.
I used to read this as unhealthy detachment. Now in the second half of life, I see it as a kind of quiet courage. To remain present without needing to be right. To hold discomfort without turning it into defense.
This is what you were talking about in your latest post to me, right? About not being attached to other people’s opinions of you. And that’s healthy detachment, I agree. It’s not indifference.
And also, to hold discomfort without turning it into defense. That’s the lesson I’ve learned recently: to engage from my center, not from the place of hurt. That facilitates non-violent communication…
I’m not really engaged in political debates at this time, even if I’m not apolitical and have an opinion. But it’s sad how the political discourse has become really polarized. And unfortunately, (some of) political leaders contribute to it and “fan the fires” of strife and dispute.
I’ve been reading about high-conflict personality types, and how such people actually prefer dispute and “violent” (as opposed to non-violent) communication. And this has spread in the society in recent years. With such people, I believe it’s best not to engage, because trying to do so is futile and we may end up getting drained and hurt.
I’ve always thought I had to be ready before I spoke. Clear. Composed. Unshakable. But maybe readiness isn’t the point. Maybe it’s enough to be honest. To say, “This hurts.” To say, “I don’t know how to stay.”
And maybe the candle I hold isn’t for lighting the whole room. Maybe it’s just enough to see my own hands. To remember that I’m still here. Still willing. Still listening.
This is a wonderful approach, Peter. And it works with people who are willing to listen. But if all they want is to attack you, if they don’t want to see anything but their part of the elephant, then I think it’s better to withdraw from the debate. But of course, it depends what forums you participate in, and if there are people open and willing to hear a different perspective.
I sometimes listen to Marianne Williamson, who seems to be an enlightened leader. She is weaving politics with spirituality. Tall order, I believe. She has a following, and perhaps some day the political thought will turn in that direction. But for now, I think of her as holding a candle in a dark room.
In a polarized world, dialogue is not a luxury. It’s a lifeline. And, I think it begins not with cleverness, but with compassion. Not with argument, but with attention. Compassion that makes it safe, even when its not returned, and the choice to stay engaged, to keep the candle lit, makes it brave.
That’s so true. Willingness to see the other, listen to their pain, listen to their needs. But also, respect our own pain and our own needs. Compassion and self-compassion. I think the two together is the winning combination.
September 29, 2025 at 9:43 am #450412Peter
ParticipantThank you, Tee. I appreciate the way you’re engagement.
I wouldn’t describe myself as someone with a rich inner life aimed at spending as much time there as possible. I’m not sure how that impression came about, and when I have time, I’ll revisit what I wrote to see where the gaps might be for that impression to arise.
Your definition of passivity as the absence of necessary action is valid, especially from an external, outcome-oriented perspective. But I’m pointing toward something more interior. Stillness, in this sense, isn’t the absence of action it’s the presence of awareness within action. A kind of motion that doesn’t rush. A kind of strength that doesn’t shout.
“only when there is stillness in movement does the universal rhythm manifest.” – Bruse Lee – I’m seeking the rhythm.
You’re right, this approach works best when there’s a willingness to listen. When someone is only interested in attacking or defending their corner of the elephant, it can feel not just futile, but harmful to stay engaged.
That’s why Zafar doesn’t suggest staying in every conversation at all costs. He speaks too discernment, the wisdom to know when to step back, and the courage to do so without shame. “Not all silence is surrender,” he says. “Some silence is a candle lit for yourself.”
Layla stood up for herself, which was brave. But she also felt unsettled afterward. Not because she spoke, but because she lost her center in the heat of the moment. Her journey isn’t about choosing between speaking or withdrawing, it’s about learning to respond from a place of stillness, even when the rhetoric flares. To be accountable for what is hers and release what isn’t, without defense or sense of righteousness. Without losing her center.
Sometimes, as you said, withdrawal is the wisest choice. But even then, it can be done with compassion. To say, “This hurts.” To say, “I don’t know how to stay.” That kind of honesty is not weakness, it’s presence. And presence, even when it’s not returned, is still brave.
I hear that distinction as a ‘yes and’ – hoping it doesn’t come across as a ‘yes but’ – does that resonate with you?
Than I see we have landed on the same space – “Willingness to see the other, listen to their pain, listen to their needs. But also, respect our own pain and our own needs. Compassion and self-compassion. I think the two together is the winning combination.”
That was nicely said.September 29, 2025 at 9:47 am #450413Peter
ParticipantLOL I wanted it to read as a ‘Yes and’ and see I wrote ‘But even then’… Sometimes, as you said, withdrawal is the wisest choice which even then, I think, can be done with compassion’
September 30, 2025 at 9:00 am #450433Tee
ParticipantHi Peter,
I wouldn’t describe myself as someone with a rich inner life aimed at spending as much time there as possible. I’m not sure how that impression came about, and when I have time, I’ll revisit what I wrote to see where the gaps might be for that impression to arise.
Well, I think it’s because in your posts, you’ve been putting more focus on the inner experience vs. the outer, and you’ve been expressing it repeatedly, even in your latest post:
Your definition of passivity as the absence of necessary action is valid, especially from an external, outcome-oriented perspective. But I’m pointing toward something more interior.
Also here:
I’m finding it interesting that I find myself leaning in to inner experience and even further, non-duality as I move further into the second half of life.
You tend to lean into the outer, objective experience of conflict – what was said, what needs to be addressed. While I tend to lean into the inner, subjective experience – what was felt, what shifted, what resisted. Both of us I think caught in the loop of – ‘yes but’ the outer experience…. ‘yes but’ inner experience…
So, that’s why 🙂
That’s why Zafar doesn’t suggest staying in every conversation at all costs. He speaks too discernment, the wisdom to know when to step back, and the courage to do so without shame. “Not all silence is surrender,” he says. “Some silence is a candle lit for yourself.”
Yes, sometimes it’s best not to say anything, because our words will be rejected or ridiculed, and it’s simply futile. Sometimes it’s better to stay silent after a provocation or a rude comment – because even though our first, knee-jerk reaction might be to respond “in kind”, we don’t want to engage from that level, and so we refrain from responding. And sometimes, we need to pause and examine why we’re triggered, and so silence is “a candle lit for ourselves” (as Zafar says, “A way to see your own wound before you try to see theirs.“).
Layla stood up for herself, which was brave. But she also felt unsettled afterward. Not because she spoke, but because she lost her center in the heat of the moment. Her journey isn’t about choosing between speaking or withdrawing, it’s about learning to respond from a place of stillness, even when the rhetoric flares. To be accountable for what is hers and release what isn’t, without defense or sense of righteousness. Without losing her center.
Agreed…
Sometimes, as you said, withdrawal is the wisest choice. But even then, it can be done with compassion. To say, “This hurts.” To say, “I don’t know how to stay.” That kind of honesty is not weakness, it’s presence. And presence, even when it’s not returned, is still brave.
I think I know what you mean. When we’ve tried to reach the other person from our center (being loving and compassionate and open to their perspective), and yet, the person is still rude and hostile to us, then we can indeed tell ourselves (not sure if we need to tell it to them though) “This hurts. I don’t know how to stay.” When our love and extended hand is rejected, we can withdraw, and do it with compassion, rather than hatred and resentment.
Than I see we have landed on the same space. … That was nicely said.
Thanks, Peter 🙂 🙏
October 1, 2025 at 2:26 pm #450479Alessa
ParticipantHi Everyone
I really appreciate your thoughtful writing Peter. Beautiful as always. I dare say that you are right. ❤️ ✍️
It always fascinates me how different perspectives can be.
To me, the elephant story illustrates how difficult it is to explain ideas to someone. Almost like old paintings where they had never seen exotic creatures. They were drawing them based on stories.
I feel like sometimes ideas have to be experienced organically. I find that it can be hard to understand concepts without direct experience. Then, after the experience you reflect and go “Oh! So that’s what that meant.”.
Perhaps, as a mother I interpreted the story about the monk and the baby differently? A monk would be a safe choice to take care of a baby for a desperate person. Some of good character who might take care of a child purely because it needs help. I would like to think that the monk knowingly took care of the child knowing that he wasn’t the father purely because he was asked in desperation for help. Shouldering the difficulties of potentially being excommunicated from the monastery. Only to be approached by the mother with a guilty conscience, ashamed by the weight of everything the monk gave up for her child. Nothing to forgive because he already knew and made the choice willingly. Perhaps too humble and caring to admit it? Maybe that is just my wishful thinking turning it into a heartwarming story. 😊
October 1, 2025 at 2:31 pm #450480Alessa
ParticipantHi Roberta
Strong and wise even in high school! Love it 🥰
October 1, 2025 at 10:07 pm #450488silvery blue
ParticipantDEALING WITH CONFUSION
There are moments when we feel lost, we feel confused, we don’t
know what is the right thing to do. To fight back or not to fight
back? To say something or not? To leave or to stay? We are
confused. The best thing to do in that moment is to stop and go
home to yourself with mindful breathing. Bringing awareness to
our breathing, we calm down and have more clarity. In a state of
confusion, fear can be born, and we may do things that make the
situation worse. So the right thing to do is not to do anything. Just
go home to yourself and practice mindful breathing in order to be
your best. Because if you have enough tranquility, calm, and
peace, the insight will come as to what is the best thing to say or
do to help the situation.❤️
🦋
October 2, 2025 at 4:24 am #450494Tee
ParticipantHi Jana,
So the right thing to do is not to do anything. Just
go home to yourself and practice mindful breathing in order to be
your best. Because if you have enough tranquility, calm, and
peace, the insight will come as to what is the best thing to say or
do to help the situation.Very true… ❤️ When we have calmed down, we can see things more clearly. In that calm, tranquil and mindful space, we also have access to our intuition, “the still, small voice”, which can guide us as to what is best to do in a given situation.
October 2, 2025 at 6:45 am #450502Peter
ParticipantHi Everyone
Thanks Tee for pointing that out. Communication is hard, and you never quite know if what you think you’re saying is how it might be read.
Perhaps if I had expanded on the Bruce Lee quote. I read it as pointing to the rhythm of both the outer and inner experience, the martial artist training so that their reactions are responses. I don’t think anyone would describe Bruce as passive, though I imagine he had a deep inner life.
I always appreciate how you see your part of the ‘elephant’ Alessa and thanks for the kind words.
Beautiful reflection Silvery Blue
October 5, 2025 at 9:37 am #450581Tee
ParticipantHi Peter,
you’re welcome!
Communication is hard, and you never quite know if what you think you’re saying is how it might be read.
Yeah, you emphasizing the inner experience, as well as saying that in the second half of life, your focus has shifted inward, made me assume that you like to spend a lot of time meditating, contemplating and doing a lot of inner processing work (which I called, perhaps using overly simplified terms, “rich inner life”).
You said:
I don’t think anyone would describe Bruce as passive, though I imagine he had a deep inner life.
I’ve got to say, Peter, that I notice a little sensitivity on your part when you talk about passivity. It feels to me as if you believe that I think you’re passive, and so you’re trying to prove to me that you’re not. (This could be just my interpretation though, and I apologize if I’m missing the mark).
Anyway, I just want to say: I don’t think Bruce Lee was passive, neither that you’re passive. True, when you asked what passivity means to me, I gave examples that more refer to external passivity. Like, not doing things that we’re supposed to do, procrastinating, etc. You on the other hand were more focused on our internal state, which you said, can be very much alive and active, even if we’re still:
I’ve experienced movement in stillness, and stillness in movement. What then is action… What is passive?
Bruce Lee once said, “The stillness in stillness is not the real stillness; only when there is stillness in movement
does the universal rhythm manifest”.
In this stillness, To let go is not to withdraw. It is to listen more deeply, to respond without grasping, to be present without needing to be seen.If passivity means absence, then no, I am not passive. But if it means stillness, then perhaps… and I’m learning to welcome it.
Stillness, in this sense, isn’t the absence of action it’s the presence of awareness within action. A kind of motion that doesn’t rush. A kind of strength that doesn’t shout.
“Stillness is the presence of awareness within action.” – That’s a beautiful thought, Peter. And I actually agree with it. And I definitely don’t think that being aware and responding from the place of stillness, i.e. our center, means being passive.
So I just wanted to clarify that. I hope I haven’t misread the whole thing, and that I’m not trying to explain something that isn’t even an issue for you 🙂
Anyway, I wanted to share this to be completely transparent and address this small potential misunderstanding, which I feel might still be lingering…
October 6, 2025 at 11:55 am #450612Roberta
ParticipantHi
I watched a lovely talk on you tube by Srvasti Abbey called We can Validate Ourselves – which I think shines a light on passivity both internal & external.October 8, 2025 at 9:05 am #450694Peter
ParticipantHi Tee
“I’ve got to say, Peter, that I notice a little sensitivity on your part when you talk about passivity”
Not quite in the way you speculate: My comment on expanding on Bruce Lee quote was me talking to myself wondering how better to communicate what I see as a major stumbling block for integrating the teaching of the various wisdom traditions. Mistaking for action what is really passivity and vice versa.
I’ve often wondered why wisdom traditions, for all their depth and beauty, don’t seem to catalyze the kind of societal transformation they point toward. I’ve witnessed individual awakening, but once form becomes institution, something seems to stall. The flow slows. The tenderness hardens. My thought is that mistake the notion of activity and passivity. Especially when it comes to Hope – we hope badly and my thought is because our Hope tends to be passive but we assume its active.
Erick Fromm suggested that unskillful hope is a attempt to flee from choice, from responsibility, from the anxiety of being, and in our flight, we embrace submission, conformity, and destructiveness. In Escape from Freedom, he named such hope as fear masquerading as safety, the seduction of authoritarianism…
Anyway something I’ve been working on.
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