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  • #106984
    Zerox Millienium
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    Suffering

    I’m suffering. I know I’m suffering. I choose to suffer. Nobody forced me into it. I did it on my own. A choice I made that comes from incessant thinking. Thinking which serves nothing but bringing about more suffering.

    I’m frustrated with myself. Frustrated with myself not being the person I hoped to be. Not having the success I hope to achieve.

    I know I’m not a failure. At the same time I know I’m nothing. Nothing I do makes me happy. I don’t know what will make me happy. Some have suggested many things like meditation,exercise, healthful living, religion, volunteer, do more, think less, and whatnot. Nothing seems to work. Or is it because I’m not allowing them to work? I don’t know anymore.

    I don’t really know who I am. Perhaps I know but I’m afraid to own my darkness. I don’t really care about many things. I don’t have interests or passions. I can’t really relate or socialise with others except to choose to fake interest. I feel discouraged as I’m able to offer myself, my individuality, my uniqueness, my gifts. I have no idea what are those as of this writing.

    Perhaps it’s all the unrealistic desires and expectations that I have and the unwillingness to make plans, set goals and do it consistently. Everything seemed like a chore. Frustration creeps in when I don’t feel I’m making any progress at all. Patience is a virtue I’m chronically lacking.

    I don’t like my work and I don’t know what I would like to do. I want to have romantic choices, but I don’t know how to attract women when I feel inferior to them all the time. I do not have a handle on my finances. I’m not poor but I have no means to buy a house or car on my own or to weather a financial crisis should the day come. I’m just not prepared. I’m emotionally compromised, often by my own doing. Always feeling lost and confused. Unable to relax in my being. Taking things too seriously or too personally. I’m sexually frustrated and the only outlet is my hand job with porn. I have no interests or hobbies that would be a healthy and creative alternative to unproductive thinking.

    It doesn’t help to know that there are many people who are less fortunate and can still be happy. For me to rant about suffering and misery makes me small and guilty. Guilt as they say is an unproductive emotion. Yet I clung on to unhappy thoughts. Unable or unwilling to let go. Unable or unwilling to accept the present moment. Unable or unwilling to accept that I’m ok now. And will alway be ok.

    I feel a sense of not belonging to any group or tribe. I’m no different from any human being in that I share the same human conditions. But still I feel uncomfortable with others. The problem I know does not lie with others but in myself. I guess that’s what some call not being comfortable in my own skin.

    I don’t know when will I feel the good days to come. My therapist said many times, it’s my choice. My choice to live in misery or joy. I create my own life. I paved my own path. It’s my own journey. It’s my life.

    #106986
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Zerox,

    Not for nothing, but see a doctor for a checkup if you haven’t yet this year. See if there’s a vitamin deficiency. (lack of Vit. D is a common culprit for helplessness/depression).

    What do you do in your spare time? Even if it’s eating or watching TV, even those will give you clues to what you actually like doing.

    Change up your diet (we live in a toxic world) and go outdoors bare foot. Reconnect with Nature, it will moderate your feelings and heal you.

    Blessings,

    Inky

    #107024
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Xerox:

    I strongly disagree with your assertion that you choose to suffer. No organism on the face of the earth chooses to suffer. Even those masochistically inclined derive some pleasure from pain. No, you don’t choose to suffer. Your over thinking is not aimed at increasing your suffering. You think so much in efforts to feel better. Your thinking is active in search of solving the problem that is in your way to feeling better.

    An animal withdraws from pain, from suffering and reaches out to pleasure. You cannot possibly be an exception.

    Problem is your thinking probably went through the problems many times but glossed over, didn’t stay long enough, didn’t incorporate your emotions so to achieve a full understanding of the real problem and solve it.

    The real problem is an injury you have suffered, an injury that is bleeding into the present. To stop the bleeding, and then, to heal, you have to locate the injury first and see it for what it is.

    The injury is not slight or superficial. It is deep and intense. It will keep bleeding no matter what you do, until you locate, identify and attend to it.

    I don’t know how long you attended therapy, but many therapists are not competent, empathetic and/ or hard workers. You wrote: “My therapist said many times, it’s my choice. My choice to live in misery or joy. I create my own life.” If your therapist’s message is that you created your misery, that you chose to suffer from the very beginning, then she (or he) is wrong. If she claims that you are not interested in feeling better, then she is wrong. I don’t need to know you better to be absolutely sure that you didn’t create your misery.

    Healing is possible for you and it is a great commitment and you need help of a competent, caring, hard working therapist. It is a matter of choice to take the steps to heal, to do the hard work required, to be persistent, to keep at it. And to do so for months and even a few years, as required.

    You wrote: “Unable or unwilling to let go. Unable or unwilling to accept the present moment. Unable or unwilling to accept that I’m ok now. And will alway be ok.” My response: the pain in you will not go away until you attend to it. Until you attend to the injury, you cannot avail yourself to the present moment for long. You are not okay now because you are bleeding, figuratively. The bleeding has to stop and the injury healed. As these are done, you will heal and be okay.

    Please post again.

    anita

    #107056
    Maria_L
    Participant

    Hello,

    In a world that teaches us to become successful, over-achievers, that grades us from the first moment we set our foot into school, that puts ‘happiness’ and success as the ultimate goal of existence, no wonder that a lot of people are not happy and satisfied with themselves. I am not sure what brought you to this state… probably something in your past that contributed to your low self esteem, possible social anxiety, and I think that the blend of it set these bad events on.. Or maybe as Inky said, a chemical dis balance in your body.. When we are over-exposure on light of ‘gadgets’, with poor nutrition, little social interactions, no physical activities… serotonin and endorphin in our body are cut. It contributes in feeling ‘lethargic’, sad, and not motivated. I see it a lot nowadays, especially with people who are ‘gamers’, ‘news junkies’ etc . Maybe this whole thing is a combination of these two factors, and few other more, and the real ‘cure’ is to attack it from different planes -psychological, physical and mental. I understand you are not motivated, but try something anyway, a new person to talk to, life-coach, counselor… Simple daily walk in the nature, at least 30 minutes. Sometimes we have to force ourselves to make the first step, sometimes life forces us to.

    You got some wonderful thoughts in the previous posts, so I’d just like to add few minor things… About choosing to suffer. When someone says this, at first it looks, scary as a form of self sacrifice. But I just remembered.. I read interesting theory once, that sometimes it’s easier for our brain to brand us as ‘victims’ who suffer. Being victim means that you have a reasonable ‘alibi’ for many things- not to take responsibility for your life and misfortune. Sometimes (I repeat-sometimes), we grow fond of our prison of suffering, cause we are not certain how to find our way out and it’s scaring us. It’s not that we don’t wanna be happy and this is our natural state, but (sometimes), it’s just easier to give up and let go. Forgive me thousand times if I sound like that therapist (who is useless in my opinion), i don’t want you put additional pressure and blame on yourself, cause now you just need to heal from this state, one day at a time. But I am just giving a theory and idea, something to consider. Because very often our brain can play these kind of tricks on us, and we need to understand them in order to fight back.

    It’s wonderful also that some of your friends gave you suggestions about what to do, but as you’ve noticed different things work for different people and don’t get frustrated if none of that interests you. You can’t force an interest or a hobby, so don’t worry. But I’d still insist at least to get out in nature and turn off the laptop for some time if it’s an issue. It always helps at least a little. You can get all the counseling in the world, but if the chemistry in your body is not right for some reason, you’d still feel bad not knowing why.

    On the other hand, you reached out here and it’s a more than a good sign that you don’t wanna suffer, that part of you wants a way out. And having the will to get better is the first and most important step… Once you make it, you will find your way out sooner or later.

    And if your job is the big source of your dissatisfaction, maybe when you feel ready, just start thinking what other option you have.. You don’t have to figure it out in one day… Just start writing down any crazy thought that crosses your mind. You never know, some of them might start making sense 🙂

    And I’d also like to recommend a documentary that I personally found really refreshing when I felt ‘stuck’ in life and unhappy with myself.. It’s called ‘I am (2010)’. If nothing else it will be 90 minutes of fun ..

    #107200
    Zerox Millienium
    Participant

    Thanks Inky.

    ~~~

    Hello Anita. Thank you for writing back.

    Quote: “Problem is your thinking probably went through the problems many times but glossed over, didn’t stay long enough, didn’t incorporate your emotions so to achieve a full understanding of the real problem and solve it.”

    It might have been the case as you have described.
    I usually get nowhere staying with a problem and when my heart and mind becomes overwhelmed from rumination, I just shut down (defense mechanism).
    Instead I could think of a solution to a problem. But I often become lost. I get no answers. More pain. I just want to switch off.
    Then it leads to inaction.

    Quote: “The injury is not slight or superficial. It is deep and intense. It will keep bleeding no matter what you do, until you locate, identify and attend to it.”

    Alright. I still have no clue what’s bleeding despite some work I’ve done on myself; personal development, meditation, reading, some exercise, healthful diet.
    Most days are difficult for me to move or to do.

    Quote: “I don’t need to know you better to be absolutely sure that you didn’t create your misery.”

    At therapies, I often share my experiences, thoughts and emotions which I have noticed.
    I could, if I wanted to (hence choice), to choose to do things differently.
    More often than not, I ended up doing something contrary or act in ways which does not serve me.
    Then I’m asked, why do I want to do that?
    Is there some payoff for feeling sad or miserable or acting in ways that does not serve me.
    Intellectually I know it’s nonsense. Of course I want to feel better. I want to be a good person. I want good things in life.
    I then say thing like “I can’t help it.”, which sounds like I have no self-control. I can’t manage myself. I let things run amok.

    I appreciate taking your time to write a long reply.
    Thank you.

    ~~~

    Hello Maria. Thanks for writing back.

    Quote: “Sometimes (I repeat-sometimes), we grow fond of our prison of suffering, cause we are not certain how to find our way out and it’s scaring us. It’s not that we don’t wanna be happy and this is our natural state, but (sometimes), it’s just easier to give up and let go”

    This resonates with me. It seems I’ve grown accustomed to being gloomy and sad all the time.
    It’s really easy to just give up. Giving up means the end. Part of me still doesn’t want to end like this.

    Quote: “Forgive me thousand times if I sound like that therapist (who is useless in my opinion), …”

    Haha. I love and trust my therapist. I know there’s only so much she could do for me.
    The rest is up to me.

    I will try (I hope I don’t procrastinate) to reconnect with nature.
    Thanks Inky, anita and Maria for your kind support.

    #107305
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Zerox:

    You wrote in your last post here: “(I) act in ways which does not serve me… Is there some payoff for..acting in ways that does not serve me…’I can’t help it.’, which sounds like I have no self-control. I can’t manage myself. I let things run amok.”

    People do this all the time, acting in self destructive ways, compelled to do so. People on the outside ask: why do that? scratching their heads. And you are asking yourself the same question, as if you were a stranger to yourself. You do those things that you don’t want to do because you are in the habit of doing them, same reason why people do drugs that destroy them, gamble, have promiscuous relationships and getting STDs, drink and drive, commit crimes and end up in jail, fight and break relationships and so much more. People destroying themselves and others, unfortunately, is business as usual.

    You do what you don’t want to do because on the very short term it feels good, or in the very short term it relieves distress. When you are in the habit of doing something, no longer doing it causes distress, so doing it relieves that distress, and that is the dynamic again and again. We are motivated like amoeba by avoiding pain and reaching out to pleasure.

    So this is my answer to your question of why you do what you don’t want to do: because you run away from pain, distress, discomfort and you reach out to calm and pleasure.

    To stop behaving in self destructive ways, you have to identify these habits, understand your motivation, and then be able to again, identify the discomfort, the distress and instead of automatically reacting to the distress like the amoeba in all of us, you attentively endure the distress while choosing a different behavior.

    Psychotherapy with a competent therapist can help with this very thing. Also the various 12 step programs based on Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) are aimed at helping people stop destructive behaviors.

    anita

    #107404
    Brie
    Participant

    @zeroxmxi

    Nothing’s working. Nothing is remotely interesting or amusing. You don’t like stuff. You have no passion. There’s no “interests” anywhere.

    You’re doing work. It sucks. You have money saved. But at the rate you’re going, things won’t be getting better.

    You don’t get people. You don’t get women. You’re not even worthy of their time, or anyone’s time, really. You don’t belong anywhere because you don’t connect with anyone. Everyone seems so different and okay with themselves. But you’re not.

    You don’t get yourself. You don’t know what you’re suppose to do or “be” as a person. It’s almost as if you’re suppose to drown in sorrow.

    Except you “know” this is all you. No one’s physically or mentally controlling you. You can see you’re thinking too much. You know others have it worse, but you get to be here today on the forums. You have food, shelter, water. You should be okay, but you’re not. Maybe you’re not suppose to be drowning in sorrow. Maybe it’s your choice… And that is a dark and scary thought…

    #107417
    Evan
    Participant

    Hey Zeroxmxi,

    Do you believe your thoughts? Are they real? Catch one, and put it on the computer table next to you. Prove to yourself that your thoughts are real and tangible. See it and pick it up. Bounce it off the wall and catch it again.. Your truth as you describe, are just thoughts….

    The only thing you have here is choice. If you choose to see your real truth, and it takes a determined discipline to choose this consistently, you will see you are invested in your thoughts. It suits you at present. Accept this, its ok….

    If however your heart and very essence are determined to change this, and see through the falseness of your existence right now, then you will choose differently.

    Your mind can not comprehend the next step, so don’t invest in the mind.

    Your heart can speak your truth – via feelings. Yes you may need to peer into your darkness, and feel it, sit with it, allow it to be……….. and then allow it to go on its way.

    Emotion is energy in motion – it needs to move, it needs to be free, it needs to reconnect to the flow of life. your mind is stopping this process.

    Stick with this statement. I am!

    No more, no added anything. You just are!

    Allow the feelings to move, and become open again to the flow of life.

    Start here – start now.

    Best

    Evan

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