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  • #426285
    seaturtle
    Participant

    Hello Anita 🙂

    I just wanted to let you know I am home for the holidays until the 26th. And N was not on the plane! He didn’t show up, not sure what is going on for him. I was surprised to feel that I was actually a bit disappointed not to see him… I didn’t expect that feeling. But then I sat to two really nice girls about my age and it took my mind off N long enough to minimize the sadness I felt. I listened to high vibe music and watched a tv show I love. I was a little sad again last night, thinking about what this trip was planned to be with him here… then we watched the new grinch cartoon and I was surprised to feel like I saw N in the child version of the grinch when he goes home to no loving family Christmas and that is what makes him the adult mean grinch. Thought that was an interesting connection and it makes me sad for him. I have spent the majority of the time here so far with my sisters and it feels nice, but I still have a simmering anxiety that kinda shows up and fades. I am fairly certain the anxiety/sadness is about N, not having his presence and feeling alone.

    I will read and reply to your message soon, but my online times may vary while I am home.

    happy holidays!! 🙂

     

    Seaturtle

    #426286
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    I didn’t read your whole message, but was glad (although you were disappointed.. sorry!) that N was not there on the plane with you. Will reply further tomorrow, after you post again.

    anita

    #426319
    seaturtle
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your compliment, it makes me feel validated that you see me and that I am growing!

    “- keep your crown chakra as open as it is now, and you will avoid CB (Chakra Blocking) situations.”

    -I am certainly striving for this openness and seeking ways to do so.

    “– You felt at that time, for the first time, that he was careless with you. A bad trip .. could have been the totality of a lifetime with him being a bad trip…”

    -When I read this it was scary because it feels true.

    “In regard to seeking a Buddhist community, you wrote: “I do think that I should and will“- try with n open crown chakra.”

    -I will be very intentional when I try out a Buddhist community, is there a specific reason it would be more beneficial with an open crown chakra?

    “Nobody is at their top performance at all times, that’s for sure, so a seeing man will be blind at times. Look for patterns and overall seeing-ness.”

    -This is helpful. Just this morning during my meditation I was asking for guidance to tell the difference between someone who is capable of seeing versus someone who is not, that appears as if they can be taught.

    “– a very interesting family. Don’t try to change either part of the family: enjoy philosophy with your father’s side, and empathy, with your mother’s side. Don’t try to get your deeper needs met by any side of the family, is my strong advice. Enjoy the companionship, food and conversations. Merry Christmas!”

    -Thank you for the advice I will appreciate both sides for who they are and not expect more.

    -By the way, I ended up having breakfast with my dad yesterday and it went well. Although first of all he did an out of touch thing, that he often does, where he schedules something over the time with you and then needs to leave early and you ask why and he makes it like you miscommunicated. He said he had the whole day friday to do something with me then suddenly the night before he said “so I am up for anything I just have a golf round at noon.” I was frustrated and told my sister and my little sister said he did the same to her last weekend, said he would do something with her, then he canceled and went and did that thing with his girlfriend instead! I confronted him a little and asked “were these noon plans planned recently?” and he said yes and that he was under the impression I was only free in the morning, which is not exactly what was said but worked for him to believe. Instead of more confrontation I just decided to accept he was too out of touch/unaware to see his selfishness.

    -We enjoyed our breakfast together and had nice conversation, it was deep and insightful about certain topics. Then I told him about my financial issues and he gave me the money I needed for rent and a medical bill, as a gift! with no payment plan back, he has never given without those strings before.

    “N will use your false guilt to your disadvantage. This part of you that wants to make amends to N may lead to your destruction.”

    -I will keep this in mind. Also interesting, I have had several dreams about N, and in every one we try to be friends and it always left me with some sort of negativity, I think my dreams are telling me something. And you are right that I cannot change what is happening in his family.

    You quoted me: There is a huge part of him that wants to be loved, his mom did not show much affection and his dad was aloof. I want him to be loved…”– (1) Hope can reawaken, (2) As you reach your hand to him (with caring, loving intentions).. he may  cut it off.

    -What do you mean by hope can reawaken? When the voice of doubt, of my decision to leave N, comes I am able to reason it away every time. I either think of what I do wish for in a partner that was not in N, or I think about those moments N shut down my feelings or attempts to bond with him deeper. One of these voices of doubt is that N will self actualize and become the man I needed him to be.. is this what you mean by hhope can reawaken?

    “- yes, reading this had just brought a smile to my face for the first time today (and it’s almost noon!)”

    -Well back at you because this made me smile for the first time today and I have been awake a few hours!

    “– if your only or main chakra was the sacral chakra (the chakra associated with sexual energy, from what I read), then a highly vibrated sacral chakra would have made you the happiest woman in the world.”

    -Does a woman like this exist? is this who N will find as his partner?

    “(1)Watch that addiction to N. This addiction is not gone for good. It can awaken in a circumstance such as sitting besides him during a plane flight,”

    -My trip home so far has certainly made me feel things that I did not predict. Soemthing actually my dad told me a long time ago that holds very true “you can predict and plan alot of things but one thing you cannot predict is how you will feel.”

    -First, feeling sad/disapointed he was not at the gate at the airport, this feeling surprised me, but thankfully I was distrcated by some conflict on the airplane, then I went into my own space and when I landed I had breakfast with my Oma (grandma in German). It was her first time hearing about why the breakup happened, and I stepped in to my strength again speaking about it.

    -Second, The evening. Since he was planned to be on this trip there have been moments where I am enjoying it with my sisters completely, but then I get this dose of wondering how much more comfortable I would feel if he was there to. It has continued every night I have been here.

    -Third, before my breakfast with my dad where he gave me the money I needed to feel safe, whenever I was anxious about money I would miss N, not because he would pay for things, there is no way I would have let him pay my rent. I just missed him saying “it will all be okay just enjoy your time with your family, we will figure it out.” As I am typing I realize the answer is for me to say that to myself… there is just a lonely feeling associated without him.

    -Fourth, when we are having fun. Whenever my sibblings (with hometown friends/cousins) and I are having the most fun, I find myself wishing N was here to experince the joy.

    I will create a new email address for this platform to be extra safe, I will likely get to it after this trip if that is ok with you.

    I wonder how you liked the song/music video?

    Merry Christmas!

    I hope my inconsistent messages are not causing you stress?

    Seaturtle

    #426321
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle: No, your messages are not causing me stress! I will be back to you in a few hours.

    anita

    #426326
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle: I need more time, will be back to you tomorrow, take care!

    anita

    #426336
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    *This post might appear with lots of excess print, so I may resubmit it next.

    You are welcome.. and thank you for growing, the world is a better place because you are!

    As a response to my suggestion that a lifetime with N could have been a bad trip, you wrote: “When I read this it was scary because it feels true“.

    * “I will be very intentional when I try out a Buddhist community, is there a specific reason it would be more beneficial with an open crown chakra?“-

    – From Wikipedia/ Buddhism and violence: “Buddhist scripture condemns violence in every form. Ahimsa, a term meaning ‘not to injure‘, is a primary virtue in Buddhism. However, Buddhists have historically used scriptures to justify violence or form exceptions to commit violence for various reasons. <sup id=”cite_ref-2″ class=”reference”></sup><sup id=”cite_ref-:1_3-0″ class=”reference”></sup>As found in other religious traditions, Buddhism has an extensive history of violence dating back to its inception”. The entry has a long list of examples from various countries.

    From The New York Times/Why are we surprised when Buddhists are Violent? (March 2018)“: “Most adherents of the world’s religions claim that their traditions place a premium on virtues like love, compassion and forgiveness, and that the state toward which they aim is one of universal peace. History has shown us, however, that religious traditions are human affairs, and that no matter how noble they may be in their aspirations, they display a full range of both human virtues and human failings.

    <p class=”css-at9mc1 evys1bk0″>”While few sophisticated observers are shocked, then, by the occurrence of religious violence, there is one notable exception in this regard; there remains a persistent and widespread belief that Buddhist societies really are peaceful and harmonious. This presumption is evident in the reactions of astonishment many people have to events like those taking place in Myanmar. How, many wonder, could a Buddhist society — especially Buddhist monks! — have anything to do with something so monstrously violent as the ethnic cleansing now being perpetrated on Myanmar’s long-beleaguered Rohingya minority? Aren’t Buddhists supposed to be compassionate and pacifist?</p>
    <p class=”css-at9mc1 evys1bk0″>(I am adding the boldface feature to the following continued quote): “While history suggests it is naïve to be surprised that Buddhists are as capable of inhuman cruelty as anyone else, such astonishment is nevertheless widespread — a fact that partly reflects the distinctive history of modern Buddhism. By ‘modern Buddhism,’ we mean not simply Buddhism as it happens to exist in the contemporary world but rather the distinctive new form of Buddhism that emerged in the 19th and 20th centuries. In this period, Buddhist religious leaders, often living under colonial rule in the historically Buddhist countries of Asia, together with Western enthusiasts who eagerly sought their teachings, collectively produced a newly ecumenical form of Buddhism…</p>
    <p class=”css-at9mc1 evys1bk0″>”This modern form of Buddhism is distinguished by a novel emphasis on meditation and by a corresponding disregard for rituals, relics, rebirth and all the other peculiarly ‘religious’ dimensions of history’s many Buddhist traditions. The widespread embrace of modern Buddhism is reflected in familiar statements insisting that Buddhism is not a religion at all but rather (take your pick) a ‘way of life,’ a ‘philosophy’ or (reflecting recent enthusiasm for all things cognitive-scientific) a ‘mind science.’“</p>
    I agree: Buddhism as most people in the western world know it, is NOT a religion but a philosophy, a way of life, and it is very much based on science, ex., mindfulness. This newly ecumenical (general/ worldwide) form of Buddhism- philosophy is a huge part of practiced, modern psychotherapy in the western world, having introduced Meditation and Mindfulness into psychotherapy.

    Back to the rest of your post: “(F) said he had the whole day Friday to do something with me then suddenly the night before he said ‘so I am up for anything I just have a golf round at noon.’… I confronted him a little and asked…  and he said yes and that he was under the impression I was only free in the morning…  Instead of more confrontation I just decided to accept he was too out of touch/unaware to see his selfishness”-

    – We tend to interpret our parents’ behaviors (particularly misbehaviors) in the best possible light, so to see the best (or the least-worst) in them. Maybe he is not selfish and unaware, but selfish, aware that he is selfish and.. okay with it. His explanation that he was under the impression that you were free only in the morning reads like something he came up with after your conformation, so to (retroactively) excuse why he didn’t keep his word to you, or why he misled you (?).

    I told him about my financial issues and he gave me the money I needed for rent and a medical bill, as a gift! with no payment plan back, he has never given without those strings before.“- I am glad to read this!

    “I have had several dreams about N, and in every one we try to be friends and it always left me with some sort of negativity, I think my dreams are telling me something“- I am kind-of telling you the same.

    “And you are right that I cannot change what is happening in his family“- remember this fact.

    What do you mean by hope can reawaken?“-

    – I was referring to what you wrote on Dec 19: “I am no longer ‘in-love’ with him. I gave up hope that he is the right partner for me”. You gave up that hope and fell out of love with him; if you regain that hope.. you may fall back in-love with him.

    “When the voice of doubt, of my decision to leave N, comes I am able to reason it away every time. I either think of what I do wish for in a partner that was not in N, or I think about those moments N shut down my feelings or attempts to bond with him deeper. One of these voices of doubt is that N will self actualize and become the man I needed him to be.. is this what you mean by hope can reawaken?”-

    – yes, I meant the hope (like I wrote above before reading this part) that he will be the right partner for you.. once he actualizes himself, if he does, which is unlikely because most people don’t change core beliefs and MO-s (habitual ways of thinking, feeling, and behaving) as adults.

    “Well back at you because this made me smile for the first time today and I have been awake a few hours!“- back at you again (smile, Sun 9:30 am)

    Does a woman like this exist? is this who N will find as his partner?“, you asked regarding a woman with only one chakra, or main chakra, being the sacral chakra- no, I don’t think so. But there are women who will be okay with a superficial relationship, or women who will compromise their deeper needs.

    “My trip home so far has certainly made me feel things that I did not predict… First, feeling sad/disappointed he was not at the gate at the airport, this feeling surprised me, but thankfully I was distracted… there is just a lonely feeling associated without him… wishing N was here to experience the joy”- it’s normal/ natural to miss a person you became emotionally attached to.

    “I will create a new email address for this platform to be extra safe, I will likely get to it after this trip if that is ok with you”- it’s absolutely fine.

    “I wonder how you liked the song/music video?”- listening/ watching it: first, I love the ocean! Her sitting on the shore, on the sand, close to the water makes me think of the sea turtle video I watched such a long time ago. It makes me think of you, a sea turtle in red holding a yellow flower..(I wonder if you look like her, dark hair and eyes.. and so majestic). Now the video is becoming even more beautiful: her dance moves, inspiring, makes me think of you growing and actualizing yourself, becoming more..

    She is reaching her hands up to the sky… The music is lovely. The words: “..once you told me/ If something’s missing in me/ To go and find it in you“- you wanted to find it in N, a deeper connection, one where he’d SEE you and the missing part of you… but he refused.

    A piece of me ain’t there/  ‘Cause nothing can compare/ To life when I was young/ That girl inside me stays“- this is true to me, very true. I don’t even remember the girl that I was. Way earlier than the singer’s age of 27, we LOSE so much of what or who we were. It’s heartbreaking.
    If I’m not here for me/ She will be there“- I don’t understand this part..?
    Look how you found me/  A broken part enough for two/ For me and you/ Just reminiscence of the best parts of my youth/ I wish I was her for good/ A piece of me ain’t there/ … Messages from her/ Messages to her/…  Look how you found me/ Searching for messages from you“- searching from messages from her, the girl you were, (the girl I was.. the boy that N was), so to become more whole, so to become high vibrational people.
    You tried to do this with N, but he refused.
    I am thinking of this video as a Christmas gift that you sent me and which I enjoyed this very Christmas Eve, thank you! I am sending you this Christmas gift, it’s a video. I don’t know how to attach a link…(apologetic face emoji.. which I also don’t know how to make happen). You will find it if you search “11 hours stunning underwater footage/ Nature Relaxation Films”, there is a picture of a sea turtle at the start of it (no requirement that you watch the whole thing of it, of course!).

    Merry Christmas!“- and  M e R R Y     C H R i S T M a S   to you, seaturtle!

    anita

    #426337
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    You are welcome.. and thank you for growing, the world is a better place because you are!

    As a response to my suggestion that a lifetime with N could have been a bad trip, you wrote: “When I read this it was scary because it feels true“.

    * “I will be very intentional when I try out a Buddhist community, is there a specific reason it would be more beneficial with an open crown chakra?“-

    – From Wikipedia/ Buddhism and violence: “Buddhist scripture condemns violence in every form. Ahimsa, a term meaning ‘not to injure‘, is a primary virtue in Buddhism. However, Buddhists have historically used scriptures to justify violence or form exceptions to commit violence for various reasons. As found in other religious traditions, Buddhism has an extensive history of violence dating back to its inception”. The entry has a long list of examples from various countries.

    From The New York Times/Why are we surprised when Buddhists are Violent? (March 2018): “Most adherents of the world’s religions claim that their traditions place a premium on virtues like love, compassion and forgiveness, and that the state toward which they aim is one of universal peace. History has shown us, however, that religious traditions are human affairs, and that no matter how noble they may be in their aspirations, they display a full range of both human virtues and human failings.

    ”While few sophisticated observers are shocked, then, by the occurrence of religious violence, there is one notable exception in this regard; there remains a persistent and widespread belief that Buddhist societies really are peaceful and harmonious. This presumption is evident in the reactions of astonishment many people have to events like those taking place in Myanmar. How, many wonder, could a Buddhist society — especially Buddhist monks! — have anything to do with something so monstrously violent as the ethnic cleansing now being perpetrated on Myanmar’s long-beleaguered Rohingya minority? Aren’t Buddhists supposed to be compassionate and pacifist?
    (I am adding the boldface feature to the following continued quote): “While history suggests it is naïve to be surprised that Buddhists are as capable of inhuman cruelty as anyone else, such astonishment is nevertheless widespread — a fact that partly reflects the distinctive history of modern Buddhism. By ‘modern Buddhism,’ we mean not simply Buddhism as it happens to exist in the contemporary world but rather the distinctive new form of Buddhism that emerged in the 19th and 20th centuries. In this period, Buddhist religious leaders, often living under colonial rule in the historically Buddhist countries of Asia, together with Western enthusiasts who eagerly sought their teachings, collectively produced a newly ecumenical form of Buddhism
    ”This modern form of Buddhism is distinguished by a novel emphasis on meditation and by a corresponding disregard for rituals, relics, rebirth and all the other peculiarly ‘religious’ dimensions of history’s many Buddhist traditions. The widespread embrace of modern Buddhism is reflected in familiar statements insisting that Buddhism is not a religion at all but rather (take your pick) a ‘way of life,’ a ‘philosophy’ or (reflecting recent enthusiasm for all things cognitive-scientific) a ‘mind science.’“.
    I agree: Buddhism as most people in the western world know it, is NOT a religion but a philosophy, a way of life, and it is very much based on science, ex., mindfulness. This newly ecumenical (general/ worldwide) form of Buddhism- philosophy is a huge part of practiced, modern psychotherapy in the western world, having introduced Meditation and Mindfulness into psychotherapy.Back to the rest of your post: “(F) said he had the whole day Friday to do something with me then suddenly the night before he said ‘so I am up for anything I just have a golf round at noon.’… I confronted him a little and asked…  and he said yes and that he was under the impression I was only free in the morning…  Instead of more confrontation I just decided to accept he was too out of touch/unaware to see his selfishness”-

    – We tend to interpret our parents’ behaviors (particularly misbehaviors) in the best possible light, so to see the best (or the least-worst) in them. Maybe he is not selfish and unaware, but selfish, aware that he is selfish and.. okay with it. His explanation that he was under the impression that you were free only in the morning reads like something he came up with after your conformation, so to (retroactively) excuse why he didn’t keep his word to you, or why he misled you (?)

    I told him about my financial issues and he gave me the money I needed for rent and a medical bill, as a gift! with no payment plan back, he has never given without those strings before.“- I am glad to read this!

    “I have had several dreams about N, and in every one we try to be friends and it always left me with some sort of negativity, I think my dreams are telling me something“- I am kind-of telling you the same.

    “And you are right that I cannot change what is happening in his family“- remember this fact.

    What do you mean by hope can reawaken?“-

    – I was referring to what you wrote on Dec 19: “I am no longer ‘in-love’ with him. I gave up hope that he is the right partner for me”. You gave up that hope and fell out of love with him; if you regain that hope.. you may fall back in-love with him.

    “When the voice of doubt, of my decision to leave N, comes I am able to reason it away every time. I either think of what I do wish for in a partner that was not in N, or I think about those moments N shut down my feelings or attempts to bond with him deeper. One of these voices of doubt is that N will self actualize and become the man I needed him to be.. is this what you mean by hope can reawaken?”-

    – yes, I meant the hope (like I wrote above before reading this part) that he will be the right partner for you.. once he actualizes himself, if he does, which is unlikely because most people don’t change core beliefs and MO-s (habitual ways of thinking, feeling, and behaving) as adults.

    “Well back at you because this made me smile for the first time today and I have been awake a few hours!“- back at you again (smile, Sun 9:30 am)

    Does a woman like this exist? is this who N will find as his partner?“, you asked regarding a woman with only one chakra, or main chakra, being the sacral chakra- no, I don’t think so. But there are women who will be okay with a superficial relationship, or women who will compromise their deeper needs.

    “My trip home so far has certainly made me feel things that I did not predict… First, feeling sad/disappointed he was not at the gate at the airport, this feeling surprised me, but thankfully I was distracted… there is just a lonely feeling associated without him… wishing N was here to experience the joy”- it’s normal/ natural to miss a person you became emotionally attached to.

    “I will create a new email address for this platform to be extra safe, I will likely get to it after this trip if that is ok with you”- it’s absolutely fine.

    “I wonder how you liked the song/music video?”- listening/ watching it: first, I love the ocean! Her sitting on the shore, on the sand, close to the water makes me think of the sea turtle video I watched such a long time ago. It makes me think of you, a sea turtle in red holding a yellow flower..(I wonder if you look like her, dark hair and eyes.. and so majestic). Now the video is becoming even more beautiful: her dance moves, inspiring, makes me think of you growing and actualizing yourself, becoming more..

    She is reaching her hands up to the sky… The music is lovely. The words: “..once you told me/ If something’s missing in me/ To go and find it in you“- you wanted to find it in N, a deeper connection, one where he’d SEE you and the missing part of you… but he refused.

    A piece of me ain’t there/  ‘Cause nothing can compare/ To life when I was young/ That girl inside me stays“- this is true to me, very true. I don’t even remember the girl that I was. Way earlier than the singer’s age of 27, we LOSE so much of what or who we were. It’s heartbreaking.
    If I’m not here for me/ She will be there“- I don’t understand this part..?
    Look how you found me/  A broken part enough for two/ For me and you/ Just reminiscence of the best parts of my youth/ I wish I was her for good/ A piece of me ain’t there/ … Messages from her/ Messages to her/…  Look how you found me/ Searching for messages from you“- searching from messages from her, the girl you were, (the girl I was.. the boy that N was), so to become more whole, so to become high vibrational people.
    You tried to do this with N, but he refused.
    I am thinking of this video as a Christmas gift that you sent me and which I enjoyed this very Christmas Eve, thank you! I am sending you this Christmas gift, it’s a video. I don’t know how to attach a link…(apologetic face emoji.. which I also don’t know how to make happen). You will find it if you search “11 hours stunning underwater footage/ Nature Relaxation Films”, there is a picture of a sea turtle at the start of it (no requirement that you watch the whole thing of it, of course!).

    Merry Christmas!“- and  M e R R Y     C H R i S T M a S   to you, seaturtle!

    anita

    #426467
    seaturtle
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I wanted to let you know I am flying back home from holiday tomorrow afternoon, if I don’t have the energy to respond tomorrow then I will the following morning 🙂

    I feel bad I have been inconsistent on this trip, I regret not bringing my computer cause I would have come here more. It is hard to respond and quote with my phone, so although I’ve wanted to or had the energy I just haven’t wanted to do it on my little phone screen.
    I will listen to your Christmas present on the plan tomorrow 🙂

    talk soon,

    Seaturtle

    #426470
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    I wish you safe travels back home today, this Friday afternoon, and I am looking forward to read from you by tomorrow (or the next day, whenever it’s the right time for you). I missed you here, Seaturtle!

    anita

    #426490
    seaturtle
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    When I told you about my dad being selfish with his time and denying that he deserved to take any responsibility, you wrote “His explanation that he was under the impression that you were free only in the morning reads like something he came up with after your conformation, so to (retroactively) excuse why he didn’t keep his word to you, or why he misled you.” Your response does resonate with me, that he did come up with his explanation after, and I believe it was this “searching for what to say” expression on his face, that caused me to just let it go, because when I see that face of “searching for what to say,” to me, what is coming out of their mouth is not authentic so there is no longer a point to continue the conversation, instead I need to just accept what it is.

    And yes I am glad too! That he helped me financially.

    You wrote “if you regain that hope.. you may fall back in-love with him.” I agree with this wholeheartedly. It is the one hole in my confidence about ending this with him, I keep filling the hole with why we broke up and what I deserve in the future, but it feels like this hole is a bottomless pit, as I keep having to fill it! The hard part is it needs to be filled in my weakest moments, as I am about to fall asleep, when I am alone.

    “Well back at you because this made me smile for the first time today and I have been awake a few hours!“- back at you again (smile, Sun 9:30 am)

    -we could continue to pass this smile back and forth hahaha

    “But there are women who will be okay with a superficial relationship, or women who will compromise their deeper needs.”

    -Not sure if it is even productive for me to be thinking about this but I have. I predict he will more likely end up with the former, a superficial relationship. Because I think he will likely shy away from someone like me, with deeper needs, since he probably won’t trust her not to end it eventually. But that superficial relationship will leave a hole in his heart, where he will remember me and he will have to fill that hole with how I never would have been fully happy with him (in his words probably that I don’t love him for who he is, with lack of change). He would need to change for a deeper relationship to be possible, but if he was going to change he would have done it for me, I don’t see why he would change for someone else… (my fear.. but a fear I am feeling shame about right now)

    “I wonder if you look like her, dark hair and eyes.. and so majestic”

    I do have darker features similar to hers actually 😉

    “The music is lovely. The words: “..once you told me/ If something’s missing in me/ To go and find it in you“- you wanted to find it in N, a deeper connection, one where he’d SEE you and the missing part of you… but he refused.”

    -I like your analysis and agree here.

    ” “If I’m not here for me/ She will be there“- I don’t understand this part..? ”

    -This is actually my favorite line! to me, “She” means Seaturtle. Hatchling says “If I’m not here for me, Seaturtle will be there for me” 🙂

    “Look how you found me/ Searching for messages from you“- searching from messages from her, the girl you were, (the girl I was.. the boy that N was), so to become more whole, so to become high vibrational people.”

    -An interesting fact is most/if not all of this artists songs were written out of the pain of a hard breakup! N found me looking for messages from him. “Look how you found me/  A broken part enough for two/ For me and you
    (I love this part, “a broken heart enough for two,” I had a strong enough heart to share, until I couldn’t anymore…)

    I wish I was her for good…Messages from her/ Messages to her (what it is really about and what I will always come back to and now, I hope to stay now that I am aware of her).

    I watched a portion of your Christmas present, thank you 🙂 It is beautiful! It almost put me to sleep haha, I will use it when I need to wind down and maybe to go to sleep tonight! I like to pretend I am a seaturtle swimming, seeing all the beauty under there.

    I missed you too Anita, I am excited to be back and continue this journey and get back to journaling here 🙂

    Seaturtle

    #426492
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    I am so glad to receive your post! I read through it but will need to re-read and reply later.

    anita

    #426513
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle: I want to read and reply to you first thing Sunday morning. Good night, Seaturtle (smiley, tired face emoji).

    anita

    #426524
    seaturtle
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    I wanted to write a journal entry while I am feeling sad. When I respond in the morning after I’ve had breakfast it is easier for me to be in my high vibration self. Right now it is 10pm where I am and I’m just having flashes of the good memories with N. It is the time I want to check on him and reach out. It is also the time I ache when I think of him with someone else. But what hurts more is imagining that he will find someone else shallow like him, and think that all along I was in the wrong and did too many things based on feelings. That he will end up with someone who like him, makes fun of “over feeling” aka another Teflon. It hurts to think of him loving someone else. I know in this moment we are both in pain and that future is far away and not helpful to think about but just like the good memories, they seem to appear in my mind uninvited.

    tomorrow night is New Year’s Eve, a night I spent with N two years in a row. They were fun memorable nights and even writing this is making me feel the emotion of a deep sadness of missing it. I know it is normal, but that doesn’t bring me much comfort right now. I thought about spending the night alone but my roommate invited to me go out to a block party, and she bought me a ticket which was really sweet! But now I feel obligated and I am having doubts about going out, we will inevitably drink alcohol and I don’t want it to make me feel worse. However the alcohol does make the socializing more fun, and if I don’t have any I might just be wanting to come home all night. Being sick through the holidays is still slightly lingering in me and making me fatigued. Part of me wants to stay home and sleep, another part thinks I should spend the time with my friends so that I am not home feeling worse, but like I said going out with them it is implied to drink, be social and stay up late, all things I don’t really want to do but it sounds more fun than being alone on the holiday and fighting memories or the idea that N is out having a new years kiss (shuddering eyes emoji) I feel very uncomfortable, like the actual feeling that is the opposite of comfort. The opposite of N being a phone call away from laying with me on the couch and feeling safe.

    I am hoping for a very restful sleep tonight with positive dreams if any, and wisdom in the morning.

    Seaturtle

    #426526
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear SeaTurtle

    Just a quick post about going to the block party…… Yes there is a lot of pressure to drink alcohol at this time of year and these kinds of occasions plus it is common for people to dull both physical and emotional pain with alcohol. Also it seems that suicidal tendency can be strong on New Years eve/ day (my uncle committed suicide then).

    I wanted to give up alcohol in late 2008 and chose to do it as a new years resolution, which made it more acceptable to those around me, people who drink often feel uncomfortable around abstainers, because they do not want to look at their own lifestyle choices. Over that last festive period I swapped to spritzers and shandies which I poured myself & that way I managed to dilute it so the alcohol content was minimal. I also did a lot of ” designated driver”  as it is the acceptable face of abstinence.

    I wish you all the best

    Roberta

    #426530
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Seaturtle:

    First, I will respond to your high vibrational (hv) post of Sat morning and then to your low vibrational (lv) post of Sat night.

    when I see that face of ‘searching for what to say,’ to me, what is coming out of their mouth is not authentic so there is no longer a point to continue the conversation, instead I need to just accept what it is“- this is your hv intelligence. I’ll refer to it as HVI.

    I keep filling the hole with why we broke up and what I deserve in the future, but it feels like this hole is a bottomless pit, as I keep having to fill it! The hard part is it needs to be filled in my weakest moments, as I am about to fall asleep, when I am alone“- When you are about to fall asleep, your crown chakra (which in the morning produces HVI) becomes quieter and quieter, producing lower and lower vibrational intelligence (LVI).

    In that quieting, the vibrations of your heart chakra and your sacral chakra become louder and louder, and you yearn for connection and romance.

    I predict he will more likely end up with the former, a superficial relationship…  But that superficial relationship will leave a hole in his heart“- I predict that he will end up in a superficial relationship, but not that the result of such future relationship will be a hole in his heart. It’s the other way around: the result of a preexisting hole in his heart (one created during his childhood) is his inability and/ or unwillingness to engage in a deep relationship.

    He would need to change for a deeper relationship to be possible, but if he was going to change he would have done it for me, I don’t see why he would change for someone else… (my fear.. but a fear I am feeling shame about right now)“- (1) as a boy, he did or would have done anything and everything to become who his mother/ father wanted him to be. As an adult, he would adjust somewhat to a romantic partner (ex., SAY what she wants him to say, apologize) but not change.

    (2) it is unhealthy and unreasonable to feel shame for any emotion you happen to feel. There is always something good underneath any feeling. Discover what it is, and you will understand and feel empathy for yourself for feeling whatever unpleasant or disagreeable emotion that happens to move through you. In this case, what I see underneath your fear that he will change for another woman when he didn’t change for you- is your desire to be SEEN, a strong and frustrated desire that you had in the relationship with him.

    In regard to the song, you wrote that you agree with my interpretation that you wanted to find a deeper connection with N, wanting him to SEE the missing part of you, but he refused. You explained the line I didn’t understand, your favorite line: “If I’m (Hatchling) not here for me/ She (Seaturtle) will be there“- I interpret it further this way: when your crown chakra is overpowered by your heart and sacral chakras, and about to do something that will harm you, Seaturtle’s HVI (open and hv crown chakra) will come to the rescue, and you will do what’s right and helpful for you!

    I watched a portion of your Christmas present, thank you.. It is beautiful! It almost put me to sleep haha, I will use it when I need to wind down and maybe to go to sleep tonight!“- you are welcome, but as I read the beginning of your next post, it led you to a bottomless pit… I will soon read the rest of that post.

    I missed you too Anita, I am excited to be back and continue this journey and get back to journaling here“- a definite high-vibrational ending of this post of Saturday morning!

    And now, to your Saturday night post:

    Hi Anita, I wanted to write a journal entry while I am feeling sad… Right now it is 10pm where I am and I’m just having flashes of the good memories with N. It is the time I want to check on him and reach out“- heart and sacral chakras vibrating loud!

    It is also the time I ache when I think of him with someone else. But what hurts more is imagining that he will find someone else shallow like him and think that all along I was in the wrong and did too many things based on feelings. That he will end up with someone who like him, makes fun of ‘over feeling’ aka another Teflon“- it is very likely that he will be as superficial with the next woman as he has been with you (that he will adjust to her at the most, but he will not change, as I suggested above), but it is not likely that he will end up with another Teflon. What is likely, in my estimation, is that he will end up with another woman who will try to change him…  and fail.

    It hurts to think of him loving someone else. I know in this moment we are both in pain and that future is far away and not helpful to think about but just like the good memories, they seem to appear in my mind uninvited“- like I said above, heart and sacral chakras are vibrating…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Tomorrow night is New Year’s Eve, a night I spent with N two years in a row. They were fun memorable nights and even writing this is making me feel the emotion of a deep sadness of missing it. I know it is normal, but that doesn’t bring me much comfort right now“-

    – for some balance/ bigger picture (I am addressing your crown chakra with the following): “Please help me, my mind hasn’t rested in 8 months” (July 29, 2023). Eight months back from July 29 is Nov 29, 2022, so your mind hasn’t rested last New Year, in between a few fun experiences.

    “I thought about spending the night alone but my roommate invited to me go out to a block party, and she bought me a ticket which was really sweet! …  Part of me wants to stay home and sleep, another part thinks I should spend the time with my friends so that I am not home feeling worse, but like I said going out with them it is implied to drink, be social and stay up late, all things I don’t really want to do but it sounds more fun than being alone on the holiday and fighting memories or the idea that N is out having a new years kiss (shuddering eyes emoji) I feel very uncomfortable, like the actual feeling that is the opposite of comfort. The opposite of N being a phone call away from laying with me on the couch and feeling safe… I am hoping for a very restful sleep tonight with positive dreams if any, and wisdom in the morning.”

    – let us bring all the parts of Seaturtle together for a discussion for the purpose of quieting that shuddering and fighting (against memories and images), and promoting comfort, the feeling of safety, and wisdom:

    Your favorite line from the song is: “If I’m (Hatchling) not here for me/ She (Seaturtle) will be there“- Seaturtle: don’t leave hatchling alone at this time.

    Seaturtle’s crown chakra is needed this New Year Eve and New Year Day. It will be a good idea to start the new year with HVI provided by a hv crown chakra.

    Would you like to tell me your thoughts this Sun morning, so that we can hopefully proceed with this discussion?

    anita

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