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November 13, 2024 at 8:02 pm #439383anitaParticipant
Thank you for saying this, Arden!
anita
November 14, 2024 at 12:26 pm #439396anitaParticipantDear Arden:
“I chose to make them happy then. Couldn’t see it. I secretly resent them for that.“– I read this after I submitted my post for you on your new thread. It really is about sacrificing oneself/ neglecting oneself for the benefit of others=> leading to resentment, just like the online source from which I quoted said.
“Remember when I told you about my partner giving a lot of money for her sister to get her a phone? I felt so bad after hearing about this. It happened again when I was not aware. Turns out he, out of the blue, given her one month salary worth money when she was not even asking..“- understandable, Arden: the rage on the part of the self-sacrificing, the one caring and over-doing for others.. rage about those who are done for, those who take, those who have it easy.
“I would kill for an apartment all to me from my family. All to me, no rent, no stress, no landlord to try to get rid of me“- I understand, Arden. I wish you had a childhood where you were taken care of, a time of being a carefree child and teenager. Unfortunately, you didn’t have that, and it created an emotional wound within you, and understandably, envy of those who had it/ have it better.
Only that the people you think have it better, generally do not. We tend to look at others’ fortunes/ advantages from the point of view of our misfortunes/ disadvantages.. but misery has many sources. Maybe your husband is aware of his sister’ miseries that you are not aware of, and has been trying to help her..?
It is very difficult to change from being a self-sacrificial person => an assertive, self-caring person. Such habits are very difficult to break/ change. What do you think/ feel?
anita
November 17, 2024 at 7:33 am #439441ArdenParticipantAbout the things that can be done, I look at them as doable or not doable, at least for my fave people or closest people. If I can do something, I try to do it. Doesn’t matter how stuck I am, how busy I am or how tired. If it’s doable by me, why let that person suffer or, ask that from somebody else and pay for it? I can do it for free, right? Applies to professional help I give to my relatives, things I did for their jobs to work out.
It’s like, common sense?
But they are not necessarily like that and I tend to realize that, and get bitter, in my mind. No reaction, I just feel bitter. But I keep doing it for some time.
In my husband’s case, I might have evaluated my boundaries wrong also. I can see that being able to evaluate your resources, and how to help family friends, it’s his own responsibility to balance that. If he doesn’t get any help from the family, and the other two siblings are getting LOTS of help from the family and living comfortably with that help offering nothing to my husband, only the basic stuff, like we stayed there for a night, and such. That’s something my husband needs to see and act towards.
I mean I don’t get it really, I paid the rent, two rents at the same time when he didn’t work. I paid all the electricity bills when he was not getting any help from the family, at all. Nobody knew from his family that his own flat was in a bad condition, nobody knew the hardships we endured together.
I had to support him because I could. But now, him helping out the family he got no help from? It really makes me upset. I am questioning everything. Don’t ask for anything, they might be unjust, but at least do not give lots of money to them when you don’t have your own flat or like your own bed, but they do. I feel toxic about thinking all these details, really. I shouldn’t have thought about these. But like, I do. I am trying hard to make my own living, lessen my stress and buy some stuff for our house -finally- after all those times where I couldn’t get any thing. In those times, his siblings were decorating their own houses that my partner couldn’t stay and had to stay on my problematic own house risking me to be sued again.
From looking at this angle, I feel like I shouldn’t have endured all those things.
One thing you made me thought about, telling me that maybe some bad thing have happened to her and he had to help out, I asked especially if something happened. He told me that he just saw the things in the refrigerator in her house and felt bad so sent all those money for her to buy good stuff. This made me think also. I stayed hungry because i had no time to cook for so many evenings. The reason why she had those “bad” stuff, was all about the closest market having those “bad” stuff we also ate since our childhood. It might not be the best quality food around, but that’s what I ate for 15 years. The reason why she got those things was not about money, it’s the closest one and she probably doesn’t want to walk for an extra 5 mins that’s all.
This week his other sibling is selling the family car and upgrading to a new one for his own family. My partner didn’t even have a saying on this issue. Everyone is just thinking about themselves and upgrading their life. I cannot get over the fact that his sibling that he helped out that much, is actually buying so much nice stuff for herself that I postpone buying.
Let alone those nice things, the worst thing that gets me thinking and feel bad, feel resentment, is that she has all those free time after work. I literally have zero free time, it has been like this for 2 years, excessively for the last year.
It’s just hurting me.
I feel bad about keeping you busy about something this toxic. Bad thoughts. Really bad ones, and this is what I’ve been thinking.
November 17, 2024 at 7:41 am #439442ArdenParticipantAnd yes, when you told me maybe sth bad happened, I thought differently for one second. My primary opinion on how he doesn’t want to share anything bad and I am there to face it together so all baggage is on me and not on them, has not changed. It’s not correct.
But for one second, my perspective shifted from “victim” to something else. I am looking at this issue from a victim’s perspective, feeling so much bitterness. I have to work on that victim perspective that occurs when something like this happens. I should never think like a victim.
Although I kind of know something bad didn’t happen for her. I would know, he would tell me.
But i feel like if this habit of his, not sharing hardships but also helping out goes on, i don’t know what’s gonna happen. I cannot unsee my feelings, unsee my effort. All this years of effort of mine deserves being prioritized by him. If his sister cannot manage all that money without paying rent and getting help from the family, she could ask for help and get some, but not in this form. She should know better, learn better. All my effort should never finance that sort of lazy behavior.
November 17, 2024 at 7:42 am #439443ArdenParticipantFighting with myself in my mind, i feel that.
Sorry to keep you busy with this toxic mentality.
November 17, 2024 at 12:51 pm #439449anitaParticipantDear Arden:
“Sorry to keep you busy with this toxic mentality.“- no, no need to apologize. I am sorry that you are suffering. Some of your concerns are valid and your agitation understandable: your husband should direct his resources to team # 1 (you and him), and reciprocate your efforts and commitment. I feel badly that he hasn’t, not adequately, at least.
I slept very poorly last night and I ran out of focus, at this Sun afternoon point. I want to read and re-read your recent posts and return to you Mon morning.
anita
November 18, 2024 at 11:45 am #439484anitaParticipantDear Arden:
“About the things that can be done, I look at them as doable or not doable“- you are a very practical person. You categorize tasks into two distinct groups: tasks you think can be accomplished (doable) and tasks you think cannot be accomplished (not doable).
“If I can do something, I try to do it. Doesn’t matter how stuck I am, how busy I am or how tired. If it’s doable by me, why let that person suffer“- you are a selfless, helpful person. You prioritize helping others whenever you have the ability to do so, regardless of your own circumstances or challenges. You believe that if you have the capability to alleviate someone else’s suffering, you should take action, even if it requires personal effort and sacrifice.
“But they are not necessarily like that and I tend to realize that, and get bitter, in my mind. No reaction, I just feel bitter. But I keep doing it for some time“- you acknowledge that others do not share the same level of selflessness and willingness to help as you do, that others do not reciprocate your efforts or show consideration. This realization leads to feelings of bitterness and resentment.
Despite feeling bitter, you choose not to express these feelings outwardly or confront others about it. Instead, you internalize your emotions. And despite the bitterness and lack of reciprocation, you continue to help others. You are grappling with the emotional toll of consistently giving without receiving the same level of consideration in return (not even close to the same level of consideration in return).
It’s easy to point to solutions (open communication with husband and other people, setting healthy boundaries, and practicing self-care), but it’s very difficult for you to put these solutions into practice, isn’t it?
“In my husband’s case…”– reads like your husband is similar to you, only that he helps his siblings in self-sacrificial ways.. at his- and your expense.
“I had to support him because I could. But now, him helping out the family he got no help from? It really makes me upset… at least do not give lots of money to them when you don’t have your own flat or like your own bed“- reads like you and your husband are too similar: self sacrificial. Only you sacrifice for him while he sacrifices for his siblings.
“Everyone is just thinking about themselves and upgrading their life. I cannot get over the fact that his sibling that he helped out that much, is actually buying so much nice stuff for herself that I postpone buying“- you are expressing feelings of frustration and resentment about inequality in effort and reward, feeling that others, including your husband’s sibling, prioritize their own needs and improvements over those of others. You made personal sacrifices, such as postponing buying nice things, and then seeing the sibling indulge in nice things feels unfair and hurtful.
This situation puts an emotional strain on you, as you struggle to reconcile your own sacrifices with the actions of others who seem to be benefiting without similar sacrifices.
“But for one second, my perspective shifted from ‘victim’ to something else. I am looking at this issue from a victim’s perspective, feeling so much bitterness. I have to work on that victim perspective that occurs when something like this happens. I should never think like a victim“- here, you are expressing self-awareness where you see the situation from a different angle, realizing that your feelings of bitterness and resentment are stemming from viewing yourself as a victim in an unjust situation, a person with no power to change an unjust situation. You recognize the need to address and change this mindset, understanding that it is not helpful or constructive. You want to develop a more empowering and resilient mindset.
“I cannot unsee my feelings, unsee my effort. All this years of effort of mine deserves being prioritized by him. If his sister cannot manage all that money… She should know better, learn better. All my effort should never finance that sort of lazy behavior.“- you feel that your hard work and sacrifices should be recognized and valued by your husband. You want your contributions to be acknowledged and prioritized. You are frustrated that your husband’s sibling, who has received significant help, is not managing her finances responsibly. She believes the sister should be more financially savvy and responsible. You resent that your sacrifices might be enabling his sister’s irresponsible and lazy behavior.
Your feelings are valid, Arden. It’s okay to feel how you feel. Your emotions and efforts are valid and deserve recognition. It is important for you to feel supported and understood. I think that you need to have open and honest conversations with your husband. Express your feelings to him calmly and clearly, using “I” statements to avoid sounding accusatory. For example, “I feel hurt and overlooked when my efforts are not acknowledged.”
Establish clear boundaries regarding financial support for extended family. It’s okay to prioritize your own needs and well-being. If necessary, and if possible, consider seeking the help of a therapist or counselor for strategies for effective communication and coping with these feelings.
Engage in activities that bring you some joy and relaxation. Taking care of yourself is crucial, especially during emotionally challenging times.
Reflect on your values and priorities. Understanding what you truly want and need can guide your decisions and actions moving forward.
I hope that your life improves and that peace of mind takes the place of distress and conflict!
anita
November 21, 2024 at 12:48 pm #439601anitaParticipantDear Arden:
I came across a poem yesterday, and I thought of sending it to you because it fits you:
“In the quiet of the night, where shadows play, And the silence whispers what hearts cannot say,
Know that even in the darkest of days, There’s a light within you, guiding your way.
Your heart feels heavy, burdened with care, The weight of the world, too much to bear.
Yet in the midst of pain, there’s a spark, A reminder that hope still ignites in the dark.
When love feels distant, and solace is scarce, Remember, dear soul, you are strong and fierce.
In the echoes of doubt, find your inner voice, A whisper of strength, a reason to rejoice.
Though the path seems lonely, you’re never alone, For within you lies a courage well-known.
Take each step forward, with grace and with might, For brighter tomorrows are born from this fight.
Let the tears flow freely, let the heart mend, For in brokenness, there’s a chance to transcend.
Embrace the journey, with all that it brings, For you are resilient, a soul with wings.
In the quiet of the night, hold on to your grace, With each breath you take, find a serene space.
Know that you are cherished, valued, and dear, And with each new dawn, let go of your fear.
May you find comfort in the love that remains, In the strength of your spirit, despite the pains.
For you are a warrior, with a heart so true, And brighter days will come, just for you.”
anita
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