May 8, 2020 at 8:26 am #353996
This incident could have happened to anyone and you’ve done nothing to feel guilty about. You were concerned about your good friend who’s been depressed and isolated. You called first but there was no answer. So you went over to check on him. Your intentions were good. And your left feeling bad after crude, hurtful, and inappropriate words are spewed at you. How’s that for irony!
Life isn’t fair. Sh*% happens.
Seems to me that this guy’s got problems that you shouldn’t be feeling guilty about. His needs and feelings are not more important than your own.
BMay 12, 2020 at 5:11 am #354580
Anita and Brandy we spoke finally and worked things out. We mightve both been wrong to a extent but we are forgetting it and moving forward. he owned upto his comment being disrespectful and inappropriate and explained he said it out of being defensive that I saw how he looks. I suppose I need to also respect his feelings that he lost his privacy and knowing how he keeps his hair there is as personal as it gets. He understood my side and thanked me for coming to help him not knowing what happened but I gave his key back its just best that way. Thanks to you both for your help and advise. Im dealing better with this lockdown as well Ive started to learn how to cook besides ordering pizza!! lollol.May 12, 2020 at 6:06 am #354592
You are welcome. Good to read your positive update. Excellent communication and resolution with your friend. Good thing you gave him his key back. Hope you have fun cooking, and do post anytime you want to.
anitaMay 12, 2020 at 8:17 am #354606
You are welcome. So glad it worked out! 🙂
BAugust 3, 2020 at 9:35 am #363630
Dear KC/ KayCee:
A summary of what you shared in this thread and recently in your posts in my thread: you are 24 (or 25 by now), he is a year younger than you, “like a brother to” you, friends for a long time. He’s been very depressed during the lockdown, May this year, got drunk and passed out in his bathtub. You happened to check on him, having a key to his apartment, and found him in the tub. You woke him up and he got angry at you, accusing you “of violating his privacy because he was naked”. He “said some real crude hurtful things.. his words were hurtful and I’m still upset by what he said to me… I won’t use his words because they were crude and disrespectful”, you wrote in May, and you didn’t share what those words were, except that “he made reference to how he keeps himself (his hair ‘there’).. how he chooses to shave that area.. it was what he said to me about how he keeps his hair not the fact that he chooses to shave some.. not all .. of his hair there”.
You shared that you suffer from OCD, so I can see how what he told you stuck to your brain and circulated in your brain, that’s the nature of OCD, I know because I suffered decades of it. Sexual things, naked bodies, “down there” makes people curious, kind of wanting to know.. what’s down there and not wanting to know at the same time. This is why many, many people who suffer from OCD focus on sexual topics.
In your recent posts, almost 3 months later, he got a case of poison ivy and he undressed for the purpose of you putting ointment on his back, shoulders, and back of legs, and you got to see.. again his “down there”, still awkward, but you are relieved that he no longer felt uncomfortable and angry with you for seeing him naked.
Your posts this morning bring to my mind my own feelings about details of what I believe should be private and not public: how people’s bodies down there look like, how they groom those parts.. I really don’t want to know. It makes me uncomfortable to be shown or told.
I am wondering, if you want to share, what did you or do you otherwise obsess about, what is the nature of your OCD, and when did it start?
(I think that mine started in my first decade of life and my first obsession was, I think, was the thought, and fear involved, that my mother will die, and that I will somehow be responsible for that).
anitaAugust 4, 2020 at 4:48 am #363724
Hi anita I understand and apreciate your reply (all your replies). your right about alot I think i want to just move forward from this. I realize I said maybe to much about his privacy and that tmi is not intentional I guess its my ocd. The topic as you say may sound sexual in nature but the entire incident wasnt sexual at all nor my thoughts or even his comment. I mightve made you think that but its not. And I do understand all u said about the focuses in ocd as it relates to sexuality and self image. Im 25 mine started in my teens it was appearance self image insecurity self consciousness all that. Dont want to get further into it. Thanks for all your helps and advice. Thank U KCAugust 4, 2020 at 7:04 am #363741
You are welcome and I appreciate your input because it teaches me more than I knew before I communicated with you. I do believe what you wrote, that “the entire incident wasn’t sexual at all”. But what I learned from our communication, is that when someone talks about someone else’s “down there”, or posts sexual details, it feels like that person was turned on or is turned on by sharing those details!
It is something for you (and any OCD person who obsesses about anything sexual) to keep in mind when sharing obsessions of sexual content on a public forum: some people will feel that it turns you on to share those things, and some people will be turned on themselves by reading those details.
Thank you for increasing my understanding on the matter. I understand that you don’t want to go further into your OCD history. If you do want to start a new thread on any matter, please do.
anitaAugust 5, 2020 at 7:35 am #363874
Thank you anita I did not mean to cause any of that if I did im sorry.August 5, 2020 at 7:44 am #363876
You are welcome, and thank you for helping me learn more about myself and other people. Sometimes learning is uncomfortable, but it is still worth it.
anitaAugust 22, 2020 at 6:19 am #365332
Hii Anita things are going ok still the same. I went back and read all the messages here u and Brandy what did you mean in your last message? There is nothing going on and I don’t want more than friendship. None of it was sexual i just said what happened. I didn’t and im not focus on his “down there” Im not turned on because I saw how he keeps his hair there I just said what he said and explained his comment meant how he shaves there. That’s all. How did u learn about yourself?August 22, 2020 at 9:52 am #365336
You asked me what I meant by my last message to you 18 days ago. I will elaborate on that message:
Here is what you shared about this man’s genital area since May 4, repeatedly and into a second page of your thread:
“he was naked… I saw him naked… I saw how he looks like naked… how he keeps himself (his hair ‘there’).. how he chooses to shave that area…how his privates look like and how he keeps his hair ‘there’… I don’t want to remember how he looks like naked… how he shaves his private area.. I know some men choose to groom that area just as females do… my ex did also.. how he keeps his hair not the fact that he chooses to shave some.. not all.. of his hair down there… I need to also respect his feelings that he lost his privacy and knowing how he keeps his hair there is as personal as it gets.”-
You posted in a public forum the words: “there”, “that area”, “privates”, “down there”, “private area”. People reading these words and your descriptions of his genitals area are able to bring up images in their brains, and actually see what you are referring to. It is similar to a person reading a pornographic article or novel: reading naked body/ sexual words and descriptions bring up images to the reader’s brain and those images sexually arouse the reader.
With your words regarding this man’s genitals area, you pointed a figurative camera to his genitals, and you did it in a public forum where a lot of people may be reading your words. Some of the people reading will get sexually aroused to some extent as a result. Some people will think that your motivation was to arouse them, and/ or to arouse yourself, and be offended.
For the purpose of your thread, which is to get advice regarding mending what you referred to as a platonic frienship, there is no advantage for potential advice givers to know anything about his genitals area. To know that he shaved some of his pubic hair but not all of his pubic hair, and to know that an ex boyfriend of yours shaved his pubic hair, is of no use in figuring out how you can mend a friendship. Because of the irrelevance of these details, the suspicion that you have a sexual motive in sharing these details is understandable.
I don’t know if you have a sexual motivation in pointing the camera to his “down there”. Maybe you do, maybe you don’t.
It is possible that you don’t have a sexual motivation, you wrote: “I guess it’s my ocd. The topic as you say may sound sexual in nature but the entire incident wasn’t sexual at all, nor my thoughts or even his comment. I might’ve made you think that but it’s not”. (I asked you to elaborate on your OCD, but you wrote “Don’t want to get further into that”)-
– it is possible that you have been obsessiong about his genitals area not because it arouses you, or that you want to arouse the readers, but because you suffer from OCD.
Let’s say the culprit is OCD- it doesn’t change the fact that practically, some readers on a public forum will still be aroused, and some readers will be angry and offended because this is not a pornographic forum, and people don’t want images of genitals areas brought into their brains while they are trying to help the original poster with her (non-sexual) friendship.
I hope I made things more clear for you.
anitaOctober 29, 2020 at 7:09 am #368399
Hi Anita hi BrandyOctober 29, 2020 at 9:35 am #368410
Hi KayCee – How are you doing? -BOctober 29, 2020 at 9:44 am #368411
Still here, how are you???
anitaOctober 31, 2020 at 4:52 am #368469
Hi A and B! Hope you all are ok. Sadly my friend and me have distanced. This pandemic did more hurt. he actually now moved in with his cousin about 35 miles away I guess that’s good. He never got over me seeing him naked. Male pride dignity all that I guess. As for me yes OCD is still a challenge and it might’ve had something to do with it but I never wanted to share his personal privacy or describe how he keeps himself for any other reason but to explain and understand. its in the past now. Ive been staying secluded mostly until things get better with the pandemic. Anita u gave me a lot of advise and information I appreciate that. From time to time over the months since I had a couple dreams remembering the situation and seeing it exactly as it was. In one recent dream hes saying don’t look please don’t look and I lie I say no I wont im not seeing anything I promise yet I look and see everything as I saw it exactly knowing it was wrong and when i woke i felt so guilty as if it just happened it was so real. I guess that happens but why and whats wrong with my mind in sleep those couple times. kaycee