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  • #446429
    Anonymous
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    Thank you all for your helpful advice in the meantime. I suppose the trauma is trauma, regardless of the cause, so I will take time to process and digest. :).

    #446431
    Alessa
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    Hi Sophie

    Please don’t worry. 🙏 It is true that other issues co-occurring with autism is common. I don’t actually know an autist who doesn’t have a co-occurring condition.

    These things are a minefield without the professional expertise to diagnose them. It is honestly hard to say what exactly is going on. People can even have narcissistic personality disorder without being abusive, so even that isn’t a shoe in. 🤷‍♀️

    Whatever the cause, I’m sorry for all difficulties you’ve experienced with your mother. ❤️

    I know that you and everyone else here are kind and caring people. ❤️

    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts once you’ve taken some time to process.

    #446436
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Sophie:

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for taking the time to reflect on everything. It’s clear you’re approaching this situation with care and thoughtfulness, trying to make sense of a complex dynamic while being mindful of broader discussions about autism and personality disorders.

    Your openness and willingness to learn more about the situation are commendable. Please take your time as you reflect and work through it all. There’s no rush in making sense of complex emotions.

    Sending you support as you navigate this. 💙

    anita

    #446547
    anita
    Participant

    How are you, Sophie?

    #446634
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I am well, thank you. Taking some time to process and address all my thoughts. Thank you for all your advice and guidance in the meantime. I’ve found to really helpful – thank you :).

    #446635
    anita
    Participant

    I’m glad to hear that you are well, Sophie! Processing thoughts takes time, and it’s great that you’re giving yourself space for that. If there’s anything you’d like to talk through, I’m always here. And truly, it’s been my pleasure—just happy to help however I can. Hope today feels good for you. 😊

    Anita

    #446642
    Tee
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    Dear Sophie,

    I’m glad you’re doing well and found the advice helpful.

    I’d just like to mention one thing, which I think is important when navigating the relationship with a difficult/entitled/needy parent. It’s the difference between hurt and harm. Your mother might feel “hurt” if you don’t fulfill all of her wishes and meet all of her demands. Entitled people often do – they feel hurt when we don’t comply with their selfish demands.

    However, it doesn’t mean she would be actually harmed by you saying No to some of her whims, or refusing to “rescue” her in some of her conflicts with neighbors, or other similar situations, where she is not in actual physical danger, but only her feelings are hurt.

    Barbara Heffernan, in the video I mentioned before, says “Compassion does not excuse inexcusable behavior.” So when your mother requires you to get her out of trouble (which she herself created), but she isn’t actually in physical danger (no physical harm would befall her), you don’t necessarily have to jump to her rescue right away. As Alessa said, she might benefit from becoming more self-sufficient. And even if she would resent you (that’s inevitable), it would be better for both of you, on the long run.

    Also, people with narcissistic tendencies (not claiming that your mother is one, but in case she is) only learn, i.e. only change their behavior when faced with consequences. So if she makes a mess, and isn’t in actual physical danger – let her experience the consequences of her own mess. Next time she will think twice before getting involved in some unnecessary conflict, or suchlike – because she’ll know you won’t be there to get her out of trouble.

    So perhaps the difference between hurt and harm can give you a clue about when to intervene and when not. Of course, I know it’s not that simple, and there are nuances, but perhaps it’s something to consider?

    I hope you’re taking good care of yourself and allowing time for yourself during the day, even if it’s just for a few minutes. And that you find the time to visit the gym from time to time!

    Wishing you lots of luck and resilience!

    #446659
    anita
    Participant

    I am sorry, Sophie, to see that you deleted your account. Before you did, I was already concerned because you got too much input, mostly mine. Too much to consider all at once. I overdid it and I regret it.

    If you are reading this, I want to let you know that I hope to read from you again and that I will offer you less. Less.

    anita

    #447123
    anita
    Participant

    I wish I could hear/ read more from you, Sophie. I wish we could talk more.

    Anita

    #447173
    Steve
    Participant

    It might be helpful to see into her mind a bit. Imagine a woven cloth of fabric as the collective mental reality we all engage with each day. A typical person thinks by one thread running across the fabric of reality. An autistic person thinks across right angles (orthogonal) into other threads of corresponding meaning. Most of us think like a laser beam, not distracted by the outer meanings of life. With autism, it’s a lightning bolt. This isn’t just with thinking and meaning, but all breath (in and out). Emotions are a big consideration as a breath she takes in. She’s likely unable to deal with her own sense of self because of this, so your sense of self simply needs to realize the problem in her so you can deal with how this affects you. Research orthogonal thinking, then adapt your view about her based on the larger view she has of the world.

    It’s not something you will likely fix in her, but for your own good, naming the demon gives you the power over it’s influence. You called it narcissism, which it is, but a narcissist is trapped in their own mental prison like a hall of mirrors. For you, other people are mirrors teaching you about yourself. For the Narcissist, it’s always, “What can another person do for me.” Unconditional love is service for her. No judgment realizing she is seeking the intimacy she avoids. Anyone suffering intimacy avoidance really want intimacy above all else. Find a way in by thinking at right angles rather than straight through. Unexpected goodness is the way she will see past her own fractured thinking. She’s looking, as we all do, for a source of life she can trust. She can’t see herself clearly.

    #447186
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Steve

    Autists are not narcissists. They are capable of empathy, but have theory of mind deficits which means that they have difficulty understanding others unique experiences, thoughts and feelings. They can learn to understand these things if they have the interest, teaching aids and cognitive skills. What this means, is that there tends to be an assumption that other people feel similarly to their own experiences.

    Narcissism is defined by a lack of empathy.

    The two may appear similar, but are ultimately different and have different causes.

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