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    Nate
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    A couple of days ago, I read the following article: https://tinybuddha.com/blog/tell-someone-needs-friend/

    The aim of the article is to help readers identify those whom the article describes. My challenge is that this article describes me perfectly, and it gives no advice to those whom it describes.

    I read another article elsewhere that describes how to identify whether someone wants to be a friend: https://www.liveabout.com/signs-that-someone-wants-to-be-your-friend-1385480 This article describes what I do for a lot of people regularly, but it is not reciprocated.

    I currently live in a city where the local culture is famously standoffish, and people rarely associate with those they didn’t grow up with. It is a common story for those of us who moved here from elsewhere that you will simply never get close to a native-born person, so those of us from other parts of the country try to seek each other out. Even so, I am quite alone.

    In a few months, I am moving to a city with a somewhat different culture, and I am working to develop a lot of good habits in the meantime so that I land in the new city with my best foot forward and with my best chance of deeply connecting with another person. I am wanting to ask my big question here as part of that project of self-improvement.

    If I want a *deep* relationship with another person, one that meets or maybe even exceeds the description in the second article, what do I need to do to seek that person? If you didn’t read it, people express interest in friendship by asking you questions, checking in to see how you’re doing, inviting you personally to things, defending you if need be, and using the word “friend” to describe you. I know what I need to do to show my interest, but I have no idea where to go or what to do to find people who are seeking the same thing.

    I do get that most people simply aren’t interested in deep relationships, or at least, in adding new deep relationships. They are content to, for instance, have an idle chat with someone after their yoga class without that ever leading to anything else. That fulfills them. But I am talking about seeking out those still actively seeking.

    I don’t begin to know what to do. “Just go out and do what you’re interested in” is the advice I’ve always been given. Where I live, doing that means entering rooms full of long-standing cliques that shut out outsiders. This is part of why I am moving to a place that appears to be less that way.

    I know I have no control over whether anyone connects with me. That is not the p0int. The point is that I need to try my best; seeking does not necessarily lead to finding. But COVID, amongst other things, has driven me to become a hermit, and I know that is unhealthy for me. So I do actually have to *do* something and not simply be, as some would recommend, because lying in bed all day isn’t going to give me what I seek out of life.

    I do get, too, that I may never find that close connection. The point is not to find, because I have no control over that. I just want to be the best seeker I can be. Over that, I do have control.

    How do I become a better seeker of deep relationships?

    #426309
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Nate:

    People express interest in friendship by asking you questions… How do I become a better seeker of deep relationships?“- I would like to ask you a question for the purpose of seeking a deeper communication with you, if I may:

    What kinds of question do you enjoy answering, feeling passionate about answering, and what kinds of questions make you cringe, perhaps, causing you to emotionally withdraw?

    anita

    #426310
    Nate
    Participant

    There are very few questions I won’t answer. I’m an open-book type, I guess you could say. It’s just that the book doesn’t get opened that often.

    I probably won’t talk openly about what I do in the bedroom because that is between me and my partners. Not everyone is like this, as I’ve known some who are quite open about such things.

    I won’t talk much about my spiritual beliefs because they are a little idiosyncratic and deeply personal. I also worry that people will think they are silly or unsubstantiable.

    I’m struggling to think of much else I won’t answer.

    #426311
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Nate: I will read and reply to you Sat morning (in about 13 hours from now).

    anita

    #426318
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Nate

    In your new city are there people who hold the same beliefs as you?  When ever I travel away from my home I check out the area I am going to find out whether there are any meditation classes even if they are not Buddhist or if there are any Quaker meetings, that way I stand a chance of spending time with people that I already have some common ground with and therefore my language and demeanor are not alienating . I have probably met a hundred or more people that way in the last 15 years out of which I have found about half a dozen who I would classify as friends ans spiritual companions.

    #426320
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Nate:

    In your original post, you attached a link to a tiny buddha blog titled How to tell when someone needs a friend. I read it: “When I was in high school I was shy, to say the least. I guess a more accurate description would be to say that I was insecure. Painfully insecure… too insecure to ever say hi to anyone in any of my classes… There were even some days when I went through the entire school day without speaking a word. I felt utterly alone and certainly friendless. One day, though, for no discernible reason whatsoever, a kid on my school bus started talking to me..  he seemed to actually be listening to what I had to say, and I felt like someone really cared about what I had to talk about… I’ve tried to model myself after this guy since then. To be a genuinely good listener and to go out of my way to help someone who looks like he or she is having a bad day…  If you know someone who tends to stay removed from groups and conversations, they might simply need someone else to take the initiative. Many people want to talk to their coworkers and peers more—they just don’t know how to start… lonely people tend to spend more time focusing on stressful experiences. People who tend to dwell on their negative experiences—even the seemingly small ones—are likely spending too much time alone…”.

    You wrote about the above: “The aim of the article is to help readers identify those whom the article describes. My challenge is that this article describes me perfectly, and it gives no advice to those whom it describes.“- maybe the intended advice is for the lonely, painfully insecure person to look around and identify someone who’s having a bad day, someone who appears distressed and say something to that person, initiate a conversation, and then genuinely listen to what the person is saying. BUT I understand how doing this would be very difficult or impossible for someone who is very shy/ painfully insecure.

    I read through the other article that you attached. You wrote that you do the things suggested in the article so to make friends (ex., asking people questions, inviting them to do things with you), but your efforts are not reciprocated,

    You shared that you currently live in a standoffish city and you are “quite alone“.  In a few months, you will be moving to a city with a somewhat different culture, and you hope to be “deeply connecting with another person” in the new city.

    In my first reply to you, I asked you (I am adding the boldface/ italic feature here): “What kinds of question do you enjoy answering, feeling passionate about answering”, and you answered (to that part of my question): “There are very few questions I won’t answer. I’m an open-book type, I guess you could say. It’s just that the book doesn’t get opened that often“.

    I noticed that you didn’t answer what kinds of questions you enjoy answering, or feeling passionate about answering. You answered instead, paraphrased, that you will answer most questions asked. I wonder why.. Is it that you tend to be intellectual rather than emotional?

    In your original post, you wrote and asked (again, I am the one adding the boldface feature): “I do get that most people simply aren’t interested in deep relationships… But I am talking about seeking out those still actively seeking… I do get, too, that I may never find that close connection. The point is not to find, because I have no control over that. I just want to be the best seeker I can be. Over that, I do have control. How do I become a better seeker of deep relationships?“-

    – Depending on your answer to my above question, the answer may be that you need to seek a deeper connection to your emotional self at the same time that you seek a deeper connection to other people.

    I will try to do this here: to seek a deeper connection to my emotional self while, at the same time, seeking a deeper connection with you by sharing this: when I first read your original post, I felt that I am not qualified to answer your question because it is difficult for me to form deep connections with people that last for a long time. Actually, I am quite afraid of such. In my mind, a long-term, deep connection or relationship with someone means pain and suffering, a sense of entrapment. I grew up with a parent in a situation  where my deep connection to her was used and abused. This was my first deep connection experience, and it made me very scared.

    anita

     

     

    #426343
    anita
    Participant

    MeRRy   ChRistmas    Nate!

    anita

    #426440
    Nate
    Participant

    I realized that there is an assumption in all of this that friends are necessary. I have…. to me, they feel like acquaintances because of the lack of commitment and intimacy on their end, but as I understand, this is what people consider friends, reserving commitment and intimacy for a partner or maybe family. Being estranged from my family and being completely shut out of the dating pool, I end up seeking these things in people who will never have any interest in sharing them.

    So I considered whether it would be possible or even healthy to just go without. And it turns out it can be: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/comparatively-speaking/201905/why-you-dont-need-friends

    The short version is that people find being able to competently provide for their own basic needs is far more crucial to happiness than friendship.

    And though I crave sharing commitment and intimacy with someone, I can’t give it to people who don’t want it. So I realized that I can commit to myself and to grow in self-knowledge aka self-intimacy. I can even be romantic with myself. For instance, I inquired about getting a horse-drawn carriage ride by myself (you can!)

    If the world rejects me, I still have space to nurture a rich spiritual life. If people reject me, I still have my gods and my ancestors.

    I’m in a much better place than I was when I first posted. Thank you.

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