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  • in reply to: Feeling Stuck #455475
    anita
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    Continued:

    So, I loved her and I hated her and tried to suppress (push down, fight against) both of those emotional experiences, being stuck in chronic tension, anxiety and depression for decades.

    I found out that healing/ peace of mind, is about EXPRESSING (as I am doing right now), to bring out into the light what’s been in the dark for too long.

    Another way to say it: it’s about freeing my emotions from a 2 dimensional, suffocated existence to a 3 dimensional existence.

    That’s when emotions relax- when you give them the 3rd dimension, air to breathe and relax.

    My love for her relaxed (it doesn’t feel like pressure, like guilt), and my anger at her relaxed as well. It doesn’t feel like war-within.

    🤍🙏🤍 Anita

    in reply to: Feeling Stuck #455473
    anita
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    Dear Mollie:

    I’ve been thinking about your last message, and something really struck me — the way you hold love and gratitude for your parents while also acknowledging the pressure and overwhelm. That kind of emotional balance is rare. Most people swing to one extreme or the other, but you seem to have a very grounded sense of nuance. It says a lot about your emotional maturity.

    And you’re right: stressful seasons like preparing for the bar tend to amplify old patterns. It doesn’t mean the patterns aren’t real — just that they become louder when life demands more from you. When things quiet down, you may find that the same themes are still there, just in a softer form.

    I admire how reflective you are about all of this. You don’t shy away from looking inward, even when it’s uncomfortable. That’s a strength 💪

    You wrote yesterday that I am selfless, but I do get something out of trying to understand how people’s childhoods affect their adulthoods: it helps me understand the same about me.

    You asked, “Please tell me more about how you are doing. How have you been able to find peace in those bouts of anxiety? Did you take a break from the online world?”-

    Yes, I do take breaks from the online world. I’m usually online in the mornings and in the evenings. I used to socialize with people in the real world a whole lot earlier, almost every day, sometimes up to 10 hours a day, but not much and not enough since Dec of last year because of a business closing. I socialize in the local taproom a few times a week and really enjoy it!

    About finding peace, I’ll share what the analytical post I sent you on Feb 21 brought up for me in regard to seeking my own peace of mind:

    I grew up in a home with conflict and tension. I can still feel the tension in my body all those years later, in the form of motor and vocal tics (Tourette’s) which involve physical tension.

    There was a lot of emotional instability in the home (which didn’t feel like a home, but more like a pressure cooker), and I indeed absorbed a lot of the stress I grew up with.

    My mother was explosive and her explosions were unpredictable. I tried my very best, again and again and again (after each time I failed) to be perfect so to prevent her next explosion.

    My focus was my mother, how she felt. How I felt was moved out of focus. In other words, my needs, feelings, wants, preferences, those were moved so far out of my focus that I no longer knew what they were.

    I felt responsible for how she felt, felt very guilty, as if I caused her to be miserable or angry, as if I birthed her, not the other way around. I wasn’t a care-free child or adolescent.. or adult.

    I loved my mother deeply, but I also felt trapped and often angry. I tried to stop caring about her so that I could become a separate person, living my own life, so I kept being angry at her, but the anger never led to separating from her (psychologically). What did help is to allow myself to feel love for her, to not push down that love (trying unsuccessfully to get rid of it). (I’ll continue this post later).

    anita
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    Dear Robi:

    To add to my last night’s stream of consciousness, full of questions reply, in regard to Woody Allen, I used to LOVE his movies, great fan but stopped watching him/ his movies when he married his partner’s (Mia Farrow’s) daughter who was around 21-22 when their romantic relationship became public, being 35 years younger than him (and who knows when their sexual relationship started, before it became public).

    You wrote yesterday, “There has never been space for me. I know .. right?… I don’t need her mother to be everywhere and in everything and often I feel that’s the case. If we are somewhere out, she’s texting her mother, calling her… Her mother gives her a long hug while they whisper something to each other’s ears.”-

    I’m thinking that maybe you do carry a sensitivity carried from childhood, for not having space BUT her too-too-too close relationship with her mother would bother anyone.. well, it bothers me just reading about it. They “whisper something to each other’s ear”- it’s like your girlfriend is already married, like her mother is in the center of her mind/ her life, and you are in the margins.

    I am sorry, Robi. I can see why it’s been so draining to you 😞

    Before I go, I copied the last post you addressed to me and without adding any of my thoughts, nor adding anything else you ever shared, I asked AI to analyze your girlfriend’s relationship with her mother as well asking how that relationship would affect any man wanting to build a life with her. Here’s the answer:

    “It sounds like your girlfriend’s relationship with her mother is extremely fused, to the point where there’s almost no emotional or practical separation between them.

    When a parent and adult child stay that tightly intertwined, it can make it very hard for a partner to build a life with them, because there’s no real space for the relationship to grow on its own.

    The constant texting, the rituals before leaving the house, the need to check in every hour, and the difficulty she has spending full time away from her mother all suggest a bond where the mother remains the central figure in her life, even above the relationship.

    That kind of dynamic can leave any partner feeling like a visitor rather than a priority, because the parent-child connection takes up the space where a romantic partnership would normally develop.

    It doesn’t mean she’s a bad person or that she doesn’t care about you — but it does mean she hasn’t created the emotional or physical independence needed for a shared life with someone else. Anyone in your position would feel sidelined, exhausted, and unsure of their place, because you’re trying to build a two‑person relationship inside a structure that’s already built for two — her and her mother — with no room left for you.

    Her relationship with her mother appears so fused and boundaryless that it leaves almost no emotional space for a romantic partner. That alone can make a long‑term partnership extremely difficult, no matter how much love or effort the other person brings.”

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455470
    anita
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    Good morning, Confused:

    “He diagnosed me within 20 minutes”, “He said… I am in the middle of a psychotic episode… He did say it’s a psychotic episode”, “He prescribed me (medication)… and he guaranteed that I will see difference immediately”, “He also suggested that the other psychotherapist isn’t helping because she is focusing on the wrong things… and she’s too young (she is 26)” –

    I read that a psychotic episode involves one or more of the following types of symptoms: (1) Hallucinations (Sensing things that aren’t there, such as hearing voices, seeing things, smelling or feeling things without a source), (2) Delusions (Strong beliefs that are clearly untrue or disconnected from reality, such as believing someone is following you, or that you have special powers) (3) Disorganized thinking (Speech that is hard to follow, sentences that don’t connect, jumping from topic to topic)

    (4) Disorganized or unusual behavior (Examples: acting in ways that don’t fit the situation, agitation, difficulty completing simple tasks, odd or unpredictable movements) (5) Negative symptoms (flat or blank facial expression, very little speech, withdrawal from others, lack of motivation, inability to carry out daily activities).

    * There is such a thing as “early psychosis”, or a prodromal phase. This stage is not full psychosis, but it can precede it. It is usually gradual, not sudden. The most common features: A. Trouble concentrating- thoughts feel ‘foggy’ or ‘slowed’, difficulty following conversations, and feeling mentally overloaded. These are not hallucinations or delusions — just cognitive strain, B. Changes in perception- things like sounds feel louder or sharper, lights feel too bright, feeling ‘detached’ or ‘dreamlike’, feeling like the world is slightly ‘off’. This (B) can overlap with anxiety or dissociation.

    C. Social withdrawal- avoiding friends, isolating, losing interest in activities, feeling disconnected from others. D. Emotional changes- blunted emotions, sudden anxiety, irritability, mood swings, feeling ‘flat’ or ’empty’, E. Functional decline- trouble at work or school, difficulty completing tasks, losing motivation, sleep disturbances.

    F. Odd or unusual thoughts — but not full delusions- Examples: ‘Something feels strange, but I don’t know what.’, ‘I feel like people are looking at me more than usual.’

    *** Early psychosis is not something a clinician diagnoses in 20 minutes. It usually unfolds over weeks to months and requires careful evaluation.

    Next topic: a first psychiatric appointment is usually cautious, exploratory, and non‑committal. A psychiatrist may say things like: ‘We may need more than one session to get the full picture.’, ‘There are several possibilities we can explore.’ ‘Medication might help with X symptom.’, and ‘I can’t say for sure yet — we need more information.’. Psychiatrists are trained to be careful, measured, and non‑absolute.

    Examples of a psychiatrist’s statements that are not standard or accepted practice: ‘I can diagnose you in 20 minutes.’, ‘You are definitely in a psychotic episode.’ ‘You will see improvement immediately — I guarantee it.’, ‘Your therapist is wrong / inexperienced / focusing on the wrong things.’ ‘You don’t need therapy, only medication.’, and ‘This is absolutely the diagnosis.’

    Psychiatrists avoid guarantees, absolute statements, criticizing other professionals, and making firm diagnoses without full evaluation

    Especially in a first appointment.

    Psychiatrists know that medications affect people differently (so, guarantying that a medication will work, or guaranteeing immediate improvement is not medically appropriate.). They know that diagnoses require time and that symptoms can overlap (ex., anxiety and dissociation symptoms overlap with early psychosis symptoms), that mental health is complex, and rushing (20 minutes) leads to mistakes

    The bottom line- guarantees, quick diagnoses, and criticism of other clinicians are not standard practice.

    I hope the above is somehow helpful, Confused.

    🤍Anita

    anita
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    Dear Robi:

    I read your recent posts tonight, earlier that I intended.

    You say she’s 39?

    Looks like an emotionally incestuous relationship with her mother (who is in her 60s?)

    Your girlfriend is.. 25 years late separating from her mother.

    Sounds like a love story of 2 women, one having birthed the other.

    Please tell me if I’m off 👣 track.

    I am guessing her mother doesn’t have “adult” relationships with others? Like she made her daughter her friend, her confidante, ever since her daughter (your girlfriend) was a child/ an adolescent?

    I am guessing her mother is invested in her daughter having an.. unworkable relationship with a man (you), such that will not threaten The Relationship (hers, with her daughter)

    So, you provide a function for her mother: a non- threat?

    You moved to Poland, arranged for a place for the two of you, and she chose (or was chosen) to spend half of the time with her parent-partner?

    I’d say, RUN, Robi, run 🏃‍♀️, because no matter how lovely your girlfriend may be on any one day, or night, you need a woman who is not OWNED by her mother.

    Please 🙏 tell me your thoughts about this input.

    🤍🌙😱 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455456
    anita
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    Hey Confused:

    A medical doctor, a psychiatrist, saw you for the first time in his life, for TWENTY minutes only, and following a conversation of about 10-15 minutes, diagnosed you with psychosis?

    And bipolar disorder?

    All in 10-15 min conversation?

    🙄 Anita

    anita
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    Dear Robi:

    I’m looking forward to reading and replying Wed morning. I hope you sleep 😴 well (after midnight, your time).

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455451
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Confused: I will read and reply later this evening or in the morning.

    🙄 Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455449
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Thomas:

    I’ll respect 🙏 your suggestion to not derail this thread, so I’ll close with saying that yes, music does indeed touch a person somewhere near the heart.

    I guess songs 🎵 get stuck in you, Thomas, because you have a big heart, lots of heart space for songs to touch and stick to.

    🎵🤍🎶 Anita

    in reply to: Feeling Stuck #455447
    anita
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    Dear Mollie:

    You are very kind and gracious 😇. Looking back, I wrote TOO MUCH in my last post (the “study”). I need to write less, in general, especially when it comes to other people’s childhoods and relationships with parents/ family.

    It’s nice to read that you feel love and gratitude for your parents. Talking about love, my tattoo consists of 5 letters: ALULA.

    What it means is “I love you”, which is what my nephew tried to say to me when he was a toddler. What came out was Alula, and ever since then, 30+ years later, whenever I talk to him on the phone (he lives in another country), I tell him Alula.

    You asked me to tell you more about myself, so I will- tomorrow morning when I have the use of a computer.

    Take care and again thank you for being appreciative and kind. 😇🙏

    🤍 Anita

    anita
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    Dear Robi:

    How did the interview go? I understand your heart not being in it because you’re not at all sure about your girlfriend.

    I hope to hear back from you soon!

    ⏲️ Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455438
    anita
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    Good 🌄 Confused:

    Sounds to me that you’re idealizing her (“her heart is pure”) and you’re idealizing the relationship in the past (seeing it now better than it really was).

    And part of you wants to stay there, in that idealized version of reality rather than experience real life here and now.

    What do you think, any truth to my perception this 🌄?

    👀 Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455436
    anita
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    Dear Thomas (Morning, not tipsy 🙂)

    It sounds like your mind has been very loud lately and you’re doing your best to find quiet, even when it’s difficult.

    It’s okay that the songs come and go. It’s okay that life feels heavy sometimes. You’re carrying a lot — your family, your responsibilities, your thoughts — and anyone would feel worn down at times.

    But there’s still a calm place inside you, the part you call the watcher. That part is not gone. It’s still there, even on the noisy days.

    The Watcher 👁️: the part of you that notices what your mind is doing — the songs, the thoughts, the worries — without getting pulled into them. The watcher doesn’t fight the mind. It just sees it, like someone sitting quietly on a porch, watching clouds ☁️ ☁️ ☁️ pass by. The thoughts come.. the thoughts go.. and the watcher stays the same. Quiet. Unmoving.

    That part of you hasn’t gone anywhere, even on the noisy days. It’s still there, underneath everything. You’re doing your best, Thomas. And it’s enough.

    ☁️🍃🤍Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455429
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Thomas:

    The Sounds of Silence 🔕 playing ▶️ loud in your mind?

    Songs 🎵 get stuck?

    I know the experience, the feeling: into the night 🌙, Right now, I am hearing the Doobie Brothers’s “Without Love Where would you be Now?”

    Without Love.. where would you be right now?

    You’re not alone, Thomas, getting stuck in music, there’s so much to us.

    I become the music 🎶 I never dared to sing, the movement I never dared to dance 🕺 🎶

    “You know how I feel .. and I’m feeling good” (don’t know who’s singing).

    Parts of me is being heard by someone else’s singing.

    “You need me, call me, I’ll be there in a hurry” (Diana Ross)

    It really doesn’t matter, it’s the Singer within, the Dancer within, that comes alive.

    Last I danced 🕺 was late last year, I did to live music, after a couple of glasses of 🍷 – it was beautiful.

    When’s the last time you danced. Thomas?

    I am not dancing now, but I’m drinking 🍷 and listening 🎶 to old music.

    An old woman listening to old music and feeling Young and Alive. Isn’t it the point. Thomas?

    To experience Youth at No Matter What Age?

    Please 🙏 feel free to ignore all of this post. Thomas. I’m tipsy 🤪 and young.

    “And if you want it, you got it… Maybe tonight… Let the music… ” (Marvin Gay.. Who was shot by his father).

    What is it, this Youth refusing to succumb to Old age, Thomas?

    “I’m so in love with you, whatever you want to do is Allright with me” ( reverend Green) “the good and bad, the happy and sad… you… baby… together… Let’s stay together…”

    “I don’t care what they say… about anything they say, but being with you… I don’t care about anything else but being with you… one thing I know for sure”-

    What would that be, Thomas, what do we know for sure?

    For me, the answer is.. know for sure, I AM YOUNG, right now, tonight. I AM Y.O.U.N.G.

    “I heard it through the grapevine and I’m about to lose my mind… Honey 🍯..”

    “Stop, in the name of love before you break my heart… STOP in the name of love”

    The name of love has no age. 16 can be depressed. 61 can COME ALIVE.. Just like that.

    Strange, how at 60+ I am younger than 16.

    🤪🎶🎵✨️ Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455426
    anita
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    Hey 👋 Dear Confused:

    I’ll be interested to hear (read) what the psychiatrist would say in regard to ROCD and Zoloft.

    And you’re right: better to not self diagnose- that’s the job of a responsible professional.

    Numb to the present, crying for the past- it’s a trap, a prison of sorts? Imprisoned in the past?

    And breaking free from that prison would mean.. ?

    👀 Anita

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