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anitaParticipantDear Mollie:
Thank you so much for your lovely replies. I want to reread them later and reply further. But dor now, I want to say: you are a genuinely good, caring and generous person.
Remember to put yourself first though. Not selfishly but not selflessly either.
đ¤đđ¤ Anita
February 28, 2026 at 10:56 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #455570
anitaParticipantDear Robi:
I appreciate it that you took the time to give me a quick update!
Well, she’s arriving Monday. Here is my suggestion: have a conversation with AI (I use Copilot, as you know), and tell it the situation, just as you told me over time. Tell it the current circumstances and how you feel.
It will probably give you worthwhile suggestions in regard to talking with her this Monday and how to plan the visit so that it could be fruitful, resulting in clarity and ability to make clear decisions, one way or the other.
When it gives you suggestions that don’t sit well with you, tell it about it, present your thoughts, doubts, etc. Have a conversation.
I’d say, prepare for the visit best you can, with AI”s help.
đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Peter:
Part 1, Copilot on how the words we use shape the feelings we have, and the behavior we chooseâoften before weâre aware of it:
The examples below show how this works in real life and how choosing different language can completely change the interaction:
1. âI owe you an apology.â â Social interaction becomes a debt.
When we use the metaphor Apology = Payment, the interaction becomes: one person âowesâ, the other âis owedâ, someone must âpay backâ.
This can create guilt, pressure, or imbalance even when no one intended it.
If you switch the metaphor to: âI want to repair something between us,â the interaction becomes mutual, not transactional.
2. âShe crossed a boundary.â â Social interaction becomes territory.
When we use Boundary = Property line, we start thinking in terms of trespassing, invasion, protection, defense. This can make a small misunderstanding feel like a violation.
If you switch the metaphor to: âSomething felt uncomfortable for me,”, the interaction becomes about feelings, not territory.
3. âHe made me feel stupid.â â Social interaction becomes cause-and-effect.
This metaphor makes the other person the cause and you the effect, which removes your agency.
If you switch to: âI felt insecure when he said that,â, you regain ownership of your experience.
4. âWe need to clear the air.â â Social interaction becomes weather.
This metaphor makes conflict feel like a storm that must be âcleaned up,â which can create urgency or pressure.
If you switch to: âIâd like to understand what happened,â, the interaction becomes calmer and more grounded.
5. âSheâs toxic.â â Social interaction becomes contamination.
This metaphor turns a person into a substance. It pushes you toward avoidance, fear, disgust, moral judgment.
If you switch to: âHer behavior is hard for me,â you keep the person human.
Peter is saying that in social interactions, we often think weâre reacting to the person, but weâre actually reacting to the metaphor we used to describe the situation:
If you call someone âtoxic,â youâll feel disgust; if you call someone âhurt,â youâll feel compassion.
If you call a disagreement a âfight,â youâll defend yourself; if you call it a âconversation,â youâll listen.
To use languageârather than being used by it happens when you:
* Notice the metaphor youâre using,
* Ask whether itâs helping or trapping you,
* Choose a different metaphor that opens more possibilities.
Part 2: In regard to my Feb 26 post to you, Peter, the one that made you feel “reduced” and “caged”, which included: “It just occurred to me why I NEED to communicate in concrete language and why you need to communicate in abstract, symbolic language: I grew up in intellectual chaos… You grew up, as I understand it, in a rigid, concrete environment…”),
Copilot: Here is the clearest, most grounded way to understand how language âused youâ in that message to Peter, and which metaphors shaped the emotional impactâon both you and him.
Iâll break it into three parts: the metaphors you used, how each metaphor shaped your thinking, and how each metaphor made him feel âreducedâ or âcagedâ.
1. The metaphors you used (even though you didnât realize they were metaphors)… âIntellectual chaosâ, âRigid, concrete environmentâ, âInner chaosâ, âCold, unfeeling personâ, âStyle that came about in childhoodâ, âDecodeâ his language, âRunning across green fieldsâ, âSpark wanting to be fireâ, âPeople-pleasingâ, âEmotional connectionâ as something that must be reciprocated.
These are not just descriptionsâthey are frames that shaped how you saw him and how he felt seen.
2. How these metaphors âused youâ (shaped your thinking without you noticing)
Metaphor 1: âIntellectual chaosâ â Your childhood as disorder
This metaphor made you see your communication style as a survival adaptation to chaos.
It shaped your thinking into: âI speak concretely because I had to.â, âMy style is a reaction to trauma.âThis is not wrongâbut itâs a psychological frame.
Metaphor 2: âRigid, concrete environmentâ â His childhood as strict and limiting
This metaphor made you interpret his abstract style as a reaction to rigidity, an escape from blackâandâwhite thinking, a coping mechanism.
Again, not wrongâbut itâs a psychological explanation.
Metaphor 3: âInner chaosâ â His inner world as unstable
This metaphor made you imagine his internal life as chaotic, unmirrored, emotionally unsafe.
This is where he felt âreduced.â
Metaphor 4: âDecodeâ â His language as a puzzle or symptom
This metaphor made you see his communication as something to translate, something to interpret, something that hides the ârealâ him.
This unintentionally made him feel like an object of analysis.
Metaphor 5: âCold, unfeeling personâ â His style as emotional absence.
This metaphor shaped your emotional reaction: âHe doesnât feel.â, âHe doesnât reciprocate.â, âHe is distant.â
It made you angry at himânot because of him, but because of the metaphor.
Metaphor 6: âStyle that came about in childhoodâ â His communication as pathology
This metaphor turned his way of speaking into a symptom, a result of trauma, something caused by the past
This is the exact moment he felt âcaged.â
Metaphor 7: âSpark wanting to be fireâ â Your parable
This metaphor expressed your own longing to be seen. It shaped your emotional tone into vulnerability, intensity, a desire for recognition. This part did not reduce himâit revealed you.
3. How these metaphors made him feel âreducedâ or âcagedâ
Peter felt reduced because your metaphors turned him into a psychological pattern, a product of childhood, someone whose communication style is a coping mechanism, someone whose inner world is âchaosâ, someone who needs decoding, someone who failed to reciprocate emotionally.
He didnât feel attacked. He felt shrunk.
Your metaphors made him feel like: âI am being explained instead of seen.â
That is the âprisonâ he was talking about.
The simplest explanation- Your language âused youâ because the metaphors you choseâchaos, rigidity, decoding, coldnessâautomatically shaped how you saw him and how you interpreted his behavior. You didnât choose those interpretations consciously; the metaphors chose them for you. And those metaphors made him feel like he was being turned into a psychological case rather than a full person.
Part 3, Anita to Copilot: but my psychological explanations make sense, and both you (Copilot) and Peter said I was not wrong, so why is it wrong to present what I am “not wrong” about? 2nd question: can you rewrite that post I sent Peter using different metaphors that would feel good to him, expansive (not reduced) free (not caged)?
Copilot: Why something can be true and still feel reducing- Your psychological explanations werenât wrong.
Peter even said so: âItâs not that youâre wrong.â The issue wasnât accuracy. It was frame. What made him feel reduced wasnât the content â it was the position the language put him in.Your message placed him in a metaphorical role: a child shaped by rigidity, a person with inner chaos, someone whose communication style is a coping mechanism, someone who needs decoding, someone whose behavior can be explained by your psychological lens.
All of these may be partly true. But they cast him in a passive, interpreted, diagnosed, explained role.
In that frame: You are the observer, He is the observed; You are the interpreter, He is the interpreted.
You are the one with insight; He is the one being analyzed. This is what he meant by âa cage.âThe deeper truth: A psychological explanation can be correct and still shrink a person if it becomes the only lens through which they are seen.
Itâs like saying to someone: âYouâre not wrong, but youâre only seeing me through one window.â
Thatâs why he didnât want you to stop talking â he wanted you to widen the frame.
Here is a version of your original post that keeps your emotional truth but uses relational, equalizing, and nonâdiagnostic metaphors. It honors both of you without placing either person in a psychological box.
You can send this to him if you want, or simply use it as a model for future communication.
⨠Rewritten message (expansive, nonâreducing)
Hi Peter,Iâve been thinking about how differently we use language, and Iâm starting to see our styles less as opposites and more as two native languages shaped by the worlds we grew up in. My early life felt unpredictable and confusing, so I learned to hold onto what was solid and clear. Concrete language became my way of finding ground. Iâm beginning to imagine that your world may have shaped you differently, giving you a comfort with symbols, images, and ideas that move in wider spaces. Not as a reaction or a wound, but as a natural way your mind travels.
When I look back at our exchanges, I can see moments where I reached for emotional directness and you reached for metaphor, and we both thought the other had stepped away. But now Iâm starting to see that we were both reaching â just in different directions. My âgreen grassâ image was my way of opening a door, and your parable was yours. They were different gestures, but both human ones.
Iâm realizing that your abstract language isnât distance; itâs texture. Itâs how you explore meaning. And my concrete language isnât simplicity; itâs clarity. Itâs how I stay connected to myself. Maybe neither of us needs to translate the other perfectly. Maybe we can just let our languages meet and see what grows in the overlap.
I tried writing a small parable of my own â not to imitate you, but to step into your world for a moment. It made me smile to try. It also helped me see how much feeling can live inside an image.
Thank you for staying in this conversation with me. Iâm learning a lot about how language can open space between people, not just close it.
âAnita
This rewritten message doesnât diagnose him, doesnât explain him through childhood, doesnât frame his style as a coping mechanism, doesnât place you above him as the interpreter, doesnât imply he is chaotic inside, doesnât cast him as emotionally cold, doesnât turn him into a psychological pattern.
Instead, it treats both of you as equals, frames your differences as languages, not symptoms; honors his style as a choice, not a reaction, honors your style as grounding, not simplistic, creates spaciousness instead of confinement, invites connection instead of analysis.
This is the kind of language that feels like grass, not walls.”
Anita to Peter: the right above hurts a little: I offered running with you across green fields.. but offered walls instead.
Anita
anitaParticipantJust a bit over 3 years since you posted last, Norit. I so wish I could read from you again.
Anita
anitaParticipantI didn’t know you went through 4. I thought you went through 2.
And I suppose you no longer see the 26-year-old therapist?
I wonder how your day/ night look like, how you spend your time, if you have a daily routine?
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anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
I appreciate đ you taking the time to write to me even though you’re busy and have an exam to submit this weekend AND after a message was timed out (lots of people would have given up)!
Please feel comfortable to not reply further to me before you submit your exam đ
It didn’t occur to me until you mentioned it, but yes, my body does feel calmer overall because of having Bogart in my life. He sleeps đ¤ with me, sometimes right next to me and otherwise, often close to me, feeling safe with me.
So, yes, I think that he has been helping with my C-PTSD.
He’s not perfect in regard to the pulling. He gets so much into smells that he forgets to not pull. But continued improvement!
I am đ that my discussion about my lack of autonomy led you to research it. What you shared about it made it even clearer to me how my autonomy was crushed in multiple ways: eating, washing, dressing, even going to the bathroom (I was maybe 6 or 7, don’t remember), as well as in mental-emotional ways, like being self-referential, meaning there was zero space for my emotions.
Yes, I think that I am reclaiming my autonomy. I am giving my emotions space to be, like giving them the 3rd dimension, so that they are less and less suppressed or pushed down into a 2-D existence.
Congrats đ for your son peeing on the potty for the first time and đ for him going # 2 on the potty for some time!
Oh, yes, Bogart loved rolling in whatever it is đ¤Ş
I guess it was a husky, he sure looked wild. And he did look đ up and down as potential food.
Talking about food, being that the cooker is broken, I guess you’re using a microwave for cooking/ heating food?
Pikachu, mew and togepi (no emojis are showing on my phone, but when I use the computer tomorrow, I will look for the images of the latter two (can’t forget how Pikachu looks like). I will also look for the three in stained glass style. I am curious đ
Almost 2 weeks for the arrival of your đ. It’d be a full house đ
It is indeed a pleasure đ talking with you, it really is!
I wish you well on the exam and in everything else đ
đ¤ đ¤ đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
I have no admin rights at all. I am sorry you feel numb and you don’t like it. I wonder if you should have a 2nd opinion, see another professional?
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
It didn’t occur to me that I am better at typing on the phone than others, hmm. I am back to the computer for a short while, here’s part of Copilot’s input earlier after I submitted your earlier posts for its analysis.
Here is a part of your posts that was very meaningful to me: “When you describe my way of speaking as coming from a rigid childhood or inner chaos, I feel reduced by that. The explanation feels like a cage. Itâs not that youâre wrong, itâs that it turns my way of communicating into a psychological diagnosis. And thatâs actually part of what I meant earlier about how language can trap us and others without us noticing.”
Copilot: … An example: Argument = War. If your culture uses phrases like: ‘He attacked my point.’, ‘I defended my position.’, ‘She shot down my idea.’ Then your brain automatically treats disagreement like a battle. You didnât choose that. The metaphor chose it for you. Thatâs language using you.
So, what does âwe control the languageâ look like? It means choosing a different metaphor so your thinking changes. For example, instead of âArgument = War,â you could choose: Argument = Conversation: ‘We explored different ideas.’, ‘We tried to understand each other.’, ‘We shared perspectives.’. This metaphor leads to curiosity, listening, openness
Argument = Dance: We moved back and forth.’, ‘We adjusted to each other.’, ‘We found a rhythm.’ This metaphor leads to cooperation, flexibility, connection.
Argument = Problemâsolving: ‘We worked on the issue together.’ ‘We looked for solutions.’, ‘We examined the problem.’ This metaphor leads to teamwork, creativity, shared purpose.
When you choose the metaphor, you control the language, and therefore you control the emotional frame.
The simplest possible explanation: language uses us when we unconsciously follow the emotional path built into the words. We use language when we consciously choose different words that create a different emotional path.
A metaphor becomes a prison when it becomes the only explanation, the only lens, the only story.
A metaphor becomes a tool when it becomes one possible lens, something you can switch, something you can loosen. This is what Peter means by âturning the prison into a workshop.â
… You use languageârather than being used by itâwhen you choose the metaphor instead of letting the metaphor choose you. Here are three ways to do that.
1. Notice the metaphor youâre already using- You were using… psychological metaphors. Theyâre not wrong, but theyâre frames, not facts.
2. Ask: âWhat if I used a different metaphor?â Instead of: âPeterâs style comes from childhood wounds,â
you could choose: âPeter speaks a different native language than I do.â, or âPeter is an artist of metaphor.â, or âPeter thinks in images the way I think in feelings.â Each metaphor opens a different way of seeing him.3. Let the metaphor be flexible, not fixed- A metaphor becomes a prison when it becomes the only explanation, the only lens, the only story.
A metaphor becomes a tool when it becomes one possible lens, something you can switch, something you can loosen. This is what Peter means by âturning the prison into a workshop.â
When you shift metaphors, Peter stops being a product of childhood, a reaction to rigidity, a psychological pattern, and becomes a person with a style, someone with agency, someone with preferences, someone with a mind that works differently, not dysfunctionally; someone who is more than the sum of his childhood.
Youâre not denying psychologyâyouâre simply not letting it be the only frame. Thatâs how you âuse languageâ instead of being used by it.
I need to think about it much more, this is a potential eye opener for me.
đ¤ thank you đ¤, Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you for your kind and supportive message đđđ
Your message encouraged me to post the above message to Peter.
đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you! I feel better after having read your recent messages earlier this morning.
I did some study with you know whom, or what, trying to understand what you’ve been talking about: language controlling us, not the other way around.
The following are my words, using the phone): an example- if we grow up (within the family, within the culture) with language that presents the word “argument” as a battle, a fight to win or lose, then how we think about arguments is a matter of the interpretation of the word that we passively absorbed through language. So, how we think about the word is not a matter of choice.
It’s the culture imposing the meaning on us, that is, the language controlling us.
To control the language then means to expand our view of a word beyond what we were trained to view. So, “argument” can mean team work, solving problems together, a way to work together, not against each other.
Yesterday, when I came up with a psychoanalytic theory of your childhood vs mine, you felt “reduced” and “caged” by a limited view of you, of who you are (this is my understanding now), because just like argument can be more, much more than a fight to win or lose, Peter is more, much more than his psychological reactions to his childhood.
Peter is indeed much more than automatic, instinctual, unconscious reactions. You are a person who very much chooses his thoughts, his language, his words. And you do it kindly, respectfully.
Thank you for being all that you are, much more than the little I know.
P.S. Did I understand the topic???
đđ¤â¨ď¸đââď¸đââď¸đľ Anita
February 26, 2026 at 7:18 pm in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #455535
anitaParticipantDear Robie:
You did go through a traumatizing childhood- not equal to your girlfriend’s, but no less harmful. Maybe it was worse than hers.
So, it’s not that you are the fortunate one vs your unfortunate girlfriend.
Her father betrayed her and her mother. Both your parents betrayed/ neglected you.
What I am trying to say is that in this crazy 𤪠world, you deserve a bit of sanity, which is a man and a woman (you and a partner) joining forces for a better future for both, as a team.
Not tied up/ enslaved by childhood patterns.
You are not wrong, Robie. You are not unempathetic.
You’re a man trying to free himself from old patterns: your mother, your father, her dead father, her living mother.
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anitaParticipantThank you for clarifying, Confused. It’s just troubling for me when my posts are flagged.
Okay, so when it happens again, if it will, I’ll assume it’s not you. Maybe I will contact the website owner and ask who’s doing this, but in any case, I won’t bother you with it.
How are you at this time?
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anitaParticipantHey Peter:
I feel badly about you feeling reduced because of my earlier post. I really do. I am sorry about that. What I wrote to you was very interesting to me and without thinking much, I thought it’d be interesting to you too.
Maybe it’s better that we don’t communicate further, because we, like you wrote, “keep missing each other”, and today I hurt you a bit (feeling reduced)?
Do no harm is something I want to focus on better in my communication with everyone.
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anitaParticipantHey Confused: see the word “report” under the date? Please don’t hit it, or click it by mistake. Or if you click it on purpose, please let me know why.
Can you do that for me?
Of course, it may be someone else doing that. If it’s someone else, and you are reading this: same as what I just said to Confused.`
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anitaParticipantThank you for telling me honestly and straightforwardly how you feel about what I wrote.
I guess it’s my passion to understand how our childhoods lead to our adult life experiences. We humans are so similar in how we respond to early life experiences.
I didn’t mean to reduce you to a theory. I just see us all as reactors to childhood experiences in the same ways, or by the same rules.
And some of us try to transcend those instinctive, unconscience reactions.
The language I speak is non-duality of human early reactions, as in we are all one in the way we react before we are able to consciously choose how we react.
So, you think I am abstract, going beyond the concrete? Please đ tell me more.
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