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anitaParticipantI mean Harry ( not Larry )
anitaParticipantYes. ,Confused. July 20th is when Larry posted last. And what he expressed fits a lot with what you did. The similarities are indeed uncanny.
I do hope 🙏 you get “untangled”.
No one is worth you suffering being tangled.
🤍 🙌 Anita
anitaParticipantOh, my God, Thomas, I am hearing the song 🎵 right now, Alone Naturally, and I realized right away that I must have heard it THOUSADS of times, I grew up on it, for crying out loud.
And yet, I had no memory of the title, the singer or the lyrics, but the melody, the music- that’s so old in me, this particular song. I am nostalgic right now 😢 😢 😭
🎵 😭 🙏 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
I appreciate 🙏 your optimism and nuance. I think that I understand why feeling empathy for your bio is indeed part of your healing ✨️ journey.
I think that you’re doing a great 👍 job healing!
Anger growing up- I remember it vividly when I was a teenager. It was so difficult to hold it in. I think it vibrated through me in the form of tics.
I was SO ANGRY 😠 😡 👿
Thank you for being here, Alessa, and thank you for being you 🤍 💙 🤍
🤍🙏✨️👍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Thomas:
Thank you for bothering to explain this to me 🙏
I just looked up the lyrics to the song (1972, a worldwide hit, so I am reading this morning) and seems like I never heard it, or more likely, I did, but don’t remember.
I just figured I don’t remember it because I couldn’t relate (back in the 70s and 80s when I used to listen to music) to ever being “cheerful, bright and gay” in a romantic relationship (and then losing it), which brings me to a line from a poem in the 1800s:
“‘Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.”. Is it better, Thomas?
Dear Confused:
I can see where this song would fit your experience perhaps: “To think that only yesterday- I was cheerful, bright and gay-… But as if to knock me down- Reality came around- And without so much as a mere touch- Cut me into little pieces- Leaving me to doubt”.
I am looking forward to listening to the song later today.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipant* I no longer hate her
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Yes, I agree. Our journeys are very personal, and your thoughts and feelings, Alessa, are VALID!
Forgiveness- I read some time ago that it means no longer being angry at the perpetrator, no longer hating the perpetrator.
I am no longer angry at my mother. I know longer hate her. And, at the same time, I don’t want to spend any more time empathizing with her.
I wish you the best on your very personal journey, Alessa. I think very well of you 🙏👍, I am rooting for you!
🤍🙏🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantOh, I just read your recent post, Thomas. I understand. You can imagine reading the words of a song not knowing it’s a song, thinking these are your words 😢
😏🙏 🤍✨️🎵 Anita
anitaParticipantI’m glad it’s a song 🎵 Thomas and you are relating to. Sometimes I’m slow 🐌 .
Confusion 😕 is not your destiny, Confused.
Maybe it will help you to slowly re-read and take notes of this longest, oldest tiny buddha thread ever, 45 page, longer than a decade thread.
🎵🤍✨️ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Thomas:
I asked AI about your post above and to my relief, was told that you paraphrased or quoted from the song “Alone Again (Naturally)” by Gilbert O’Sullivan. I had no idea; I thought those were your words and was concerned.
Are you expressing how you feel through the song or..?
Anita
anitaParticipantThomas??? I don’t understand, or do l?
Please explain to me..???
anitaParticipantContinued:
Here are examples of what it looks like when a parent fails to mirror a child’s feelings:
(1) Child: crying because a toy broke, Parent: “Stop crying. It’s just a toy. You’re being dramatic.”
(2) Child: scared of the dark, Parent: “There’s nothing to be scared of. Don’t be silly.”
(3) Child: angry because a sibling took something, Parent: “You’re overreacting. Share nicely.”
(4) Child: sad after being left out at school, Parent: “You’re fine. Don’t make a big deal out of it.”
The child learns: “My feelings don’t make sense.”, “My emotions are wrong or too much.”, “I shouldn’t trust what I feel.”, “I need to hide my emotions to be accepted.”
This is how emotional numbness begins.
Examples of when a parent doesn’t help a child understand their inner world:
(1) Child: melting down after school, Parent: “What is wrong with you today? Stop acting out.”
(2) Child: says “I don’t know” when asked what’s wrong, Parent: “Well, figure it out. I can’t help you if you don’t talk.”
(3) Child: nervous before a performance, Parent: “There’s nothing to be nervous about. Just do it.”
(4) Child: angry and yelling, Parent: “Go to your room until you can behave.”
The child learns: “My inner world is confusing and I’m alone with it.”, “My feelings are problems, not signals.”, “I shouldn’t explore what I feel.”, “Strong emotions are dangerous.”
This leads to emotional disconnection and difficulty knowing one’s needs.
Examples of a parent who doesn’t respect a child’s boundaries:
(1) Child: doesn’t want to hug a relative, Parent: “Don’t be rude. Go hug them right now.”
(2) Child: says “stop” during tickling, Parent: “Oh come on, you’re having fun!” (keeps going)
(3) Child: wants to play alone, Parent: “No, you’re being antisocial. Go play with your cousin.”
(4) Child: doesn’t want to share a toy yet, Parent: “You have to share. Give it to them now.”
The child learns: “My ‘no’ doesn’t matter.”, “My body and space aren’t mine.”, “I must please others to be accepted.”, “I shouldn’t have boundaries.”
This is how adults end up losing themselves in relationships.
When a child grows up with unmirrored feelings → they can’t identify emotions; no help understanding their inner world → they feel confused and overwhelmed; disrespected boundaries → they lose their sense of self…they become adults who don’t know what they feel, don’t know what they want, feel guilty for having needs, panic when someone gets close, abandon their own boundaries, feel shame for saying “no”, etc.
This is exactly the pattern you described Charlotte, and I can very much relate to it.
(To be continued)
anitaParticipantDear Charlotte:
I reactivated your 2018 thread because I can relate very much to what you shared back then in this thread and in your other threads. (I am presenting the following in the present tense even though things may have changed since then):
The central theme in your original post here is how easily you lose your sense of self in romantic relationships.
You described not being able to feel your own emotions, sense your boundaries, or stay connected to what you want. You get “absorbed” into the other person, go against your own limits, and then feel guilt and shame afterward. This isn’t about this particular man — it’s about your relationship with yourself.
People who grow up without emotional attunement — parents who don’t mirror feelings, don’t help the child understand their inner world, or don’t respect boundaries — often grow up without a stable internal sense of self. In adulthood, they tend to “merge” with partners because they don’t have a strong inner anchor to hold onto.
What you describe is the emotional pattern of fearful‑avoidant attachment: craving closeness, fearing it, moving toward someone, then pulling away, then feeling guilty and returning. This cycle usually begins long before adulthood.
You wrote about feeling shame, guilt, dishonesty, and like you were “not yourself.” The shame isn’t about the physical intimacy — it’s about abandoning your own boundaries. Every time you said “no” and then went against it, you reinforced the old belief that your needs don’t matter. That belief comes from childhood.
You actually mentioned this connection yourself (I didn’t notice you mentioning your parents yesterday, but here it is): “I’ve been struggling with feeling myself and my emotions in other romantic relationships as well as in the relationship to my parents.”
This one sentence says a lot. It suggests that growing up your emotions weren’t mirrored, your boundaries weren’t respected, you had to adapt to others, and you weren’t allowed to take up emotional space
Children who grow up this way often become adults who don’t know what they feel, don’t know what they want, feel guilty for having needs, lose themselves in relationships, and panic when someone gets close. Your current struggles are a continuation of that early pattern.
You worry that you’re being dishonest, but what’s actually happening is this:
You say what you think you feel → you get overwhelmed → you disconnect from yourself → you act from fear → you feel guilty → you try to correct it → you get overwhelmed again.
This isn’t manipulation. It’s your nervous system trying to protect you from emotional overload.
You also mentioned that he is calm, patient, and accepting. That’s positive — but for someone with your attachment pattern, it can also be confusing. You’re used to relationships where you had to adapt or manage others. His calmness removes the familiar “role,” which can make you lose your sense of self even more.
You’re unsure whether you like him because you can’t feel yourself clearly. You wonder if it’s the wrong person or if it’s emotional numbness. This confusion is common when someone doesn’t yet have a stable internal sense of self. Until that stabilizes, it’s impossible to know what you truly feel about him.
Right now, you’re trying to make relationship decisions from a place of numbness, shame, fear, and self‑abandonment. No one can make a clear choice from that state.
What matters most is understanding that you didn’t act out of malice. You acted out of fear and emotional survival. You’re not a bad person — you’re someone who never learned how to stay connected to herself because she wasn’t supported in developing that connection as a child.
Your adult pattern — losing yourself, feeling guilty for having needs, being pulled toward and away from intimacy — is the natural outcome of growing up without emotional safety.
* Mirroring a child’s feelings means the parent reflects the child’s emotional state back to them in a calm, attuned way. It helps the child feel seen and teaches them what their feelings are.
Examples: (1) Child: crying because a toy broke, Parent: “Oh sweetheart, you’re really sad about your toy. It meant a lot to you.”
(2) Child: hiding behind the parent at a party, Parent: “You’re feeling shy right now. It’s okay to take your time.”
(3) Child: angry because a sibling took something, Parent: “You’re frustrated and mad. I get it — that didn’t feel fair.”
(4) Child: excited about something, Parent: “You’re so excited! Tell me what happened.”
This teaches the child “My feelings make sense.”, “Someone understands me.”, “My emotions aren’t too much.”, “I can trust what I feel.”
This is the foundation of a stable sense of self.
An attuned parent can help a child understand their inner world. Examples:
(1) Child: says “I don’t know” when asked what’s wrong, Parent: “Sometimes feelings get mixed together. Maybe you’re a little sad and a little angry?”
(2) Child: nervous before a performance, Parent: “That tight feeling in your stomach is nerves. It happens when something matters to you.”
(3) Child: shouting “I hate you!”, Parent: “You’re really upset right now. Let’s take a moment and figure out what’s underneath that anger.”
This teaches the child: “My inner world is understandable.”, “My feelings have names.”, “I can explore what’s happening inside me.”, “I don’t have to be afraid of my emotions.”
This is how children develop emotional awareness and self‑connection.
An attuned parent Respects the child’s boundaries, recognizing the child as a separate person with their own needs, preferences, and limits.
Examples:
(1) Child: doesn’t want to hug a relative, Parent: “That’s okay. You don’t have to hug anyone if you don’t want to.”
(2) Child: wants to play alone, Parent: “You want some space right now. I’ll check on you in a bit.”
(3) Child: says “stop” during tickling, Parent: “You said stop — I’m stopping.”
(4) Child: doesn’t want to share a toy yet, Parent: “You’re not ready to share right now. You can tell me when you are.”
This teaches the child “My boundaries matter.”, “I’m allowed to say no.”, “I have control over my body and space.”, “I am a separate person.”
This is how children develop a strong sense of self and healthy boundaries in adulthood.
When a child grows up with mirrored feelings → they learn emotional clarity, with help understanding their inner world → they develop self-awareness, with respected boundaries → they develop a stable sense of self
When these are missing, the child grows up unsure of their feelings, disconnected from their needs, easily overwhelmed, prone to losing themselves in relationships, afraid to set boundaries and guilty for having needs. This is exactly the pattern you described Charlotte, a pattern I can very much relate to.
(to be continued next)
Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Confused:
“How can I go from crying to indifferent just like that?”-
Well, you do go from crying to indifferent when you do. Figuring the “how” or the “why” is something I tried to do for you (presenting theories and possible explanations)- and failed- in 31 pages of this thread (page 13-44).
So, as to possible how-s or why-s, you are welcome to reread this 31-page e-book 🙂
But regardless of the how-why, try to accept the fact that you go from crying to indifferent simply because you do. Don’t try to fight it or explain it away.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantAnd you crying 😢 your guts out and then feeling indifferent- that’s not strange in my mind. I mean, if you cry your guts out for too long, you’ll be out of guts (and how 🤔 will you process food with no guts?)
so it’s not “strange” to me that your body-brain stopped the loss of your guts (by suspending feelings/ feeling indifferent 😐 )
😐 🤔 😢 😔 🙂 😏 😴 Anita
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