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anitaParticipant* You are welcome (no “home”)4
anitaParticipantYou are welcome home. Sonia.
Leaving this role is not easy. When you feel like a bad person for doing what’s good for you.. that’ difficult.
Recently I came across the term “moral guilt” vs “trauma guilt”. The first is when you feel guilty because you really did say or do something that harmed another.
The second happens when you feel guilty not because you did anything wrong, but because of early emotional trauma of some sort.
Setting healthy- helpful boundaries may inconvenience another person. They may not like it, but that doesn’t mean you harmed them.
You can’t make everyone like everything you say and do. No one can get only ‘likes’ and zero ‘dislikes’.
π π Anita
anitaParticipantHi Sonia:
You are welcome!
“I stopped feeling like I need to help him see his value”-
That’s progress, that’s healing. Because you are his friend, not his mother, or his emotional care-taker, right?
π§ Anita
anitaParticipantGood π Confused:
“The truth is, with her, I felt the most seen/ loved and cared for, even typing this makes my eyes watery”- that’s emotion expressing itself.
Continued quote: “But right now, I can’t feel the ‘appreciation’ for all those positives and I feel ungrateful”-
You ignored or put aside the feeling you did have (that which caused your eyes to become watery) because your focus was on what you SHOULD feel but don’t.
So, it’s like policing π your feelings.
I wonder what it’d be like for you to pay attention to what you do feel, to those π§ π
In an earlier post yesterday, you wrote: “Yes, I have been feeling responsible for ‘keeping the peace’, not upset my parents or bother them”-
In that environment, a boy learns to hide those watery eyes so to not upset or bother his parents?
And the boy learns to focus on what he ‘should’ feel so to keep the peace in the home?
π§ π π¦ Anita
anitaParticipantHello Sonia π
I read your new post and our communication in your first thread earlier this year, and what came to mind was the image of a boy (your friend) when he was a child, “feeling that he is not taking into consideration” by his parents, a boy who “was getting upset very often” but kept it inside, no place safe to express it.
Fast forward, he found that safe place in you and he took advantage of this opportunity and expressed himself a lot, “hours of stories”.
Another image: a girl feeling responsible for a parent’s feelings, rushing to make them feel better, being the best emotional caretaker she could be.
As to your questions in the last paragraph:
It’s clear to me that you are not a bad person for setting self-protective boundaries, for not over-extending yourself and for feeling happy about it (when guilt doesn’t overshadow the happy).
But you sometimes feel guilty, like you are a bad person because by putting yourself first, you feel that you are neglecting a responsibility to put him first?
π§ π¦ Anita
anitaParticipantI posted the above before I read your most recent 2 posts. B Back later
anitaParticipantHey π Confused:
I used the π₯ right above, had it only for a few moments. Now, I’m back to my π±, hence the emojis π
I like it that your new therapist was taking notes of everything βοΈ
The fact that you shared everything with her (your gf): your fears, your “weird” thoughts- that’s very meaningful- you trusted her.
And then, that trust scared you because trust was not something you grew up with?
I am hopeful about your new therapy. Here, in this thread, I am like (an older) friend, not a therapist, just a person to think with, gently.
A personal note: I’m a bit excited for you, hopeful. And a bit romantic in that it seems to me that what you have with gf is special, precious, a real connection. And that’s why it caused all that shutdown and doubts-
Not because the relationship was lacking, but because it was wonderful.
βοΈπ±ππ (don’t know, I just like rabbits) Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
I just came back from the local taproom and read your recent post. What stands out to me is this: “Or nobody else ever gotten this close to me before?”-
Seems like it to me, and because she felt the closest, the deepest fears awakened.
Your new therapist saying she’d like to focus on your relationships with your parents on the next session- I think she’s on track.
I’ll write more later.
Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
You asked earlier:
βWhy donβt I have emotional permanence?β-
It makes sense to me that your feelings show up strongly when youβre close to her β in person or on videocall β and then go quiet when the moment passes. For someone who grew up in a chaotic home, feelings often come in bursts of intensity and then disappear.
Itβs not that the feelings werenβt real. Itβs that your system learned to βturn the volume downβ when things feel too big or too close. Thatβs not wrong β itβs just how you learned to cope.
And you also asked:
βCould I be avoiding the emotions ending things would bring? But if thatβs what I wanted, why doesnβt this thought bring me peace?β-
I think the reason the thought doesnβt bring you peace is because you donβt actually want to lose her. Even when your feelings go quiet, you still care.
Youβre confused, not indifferent.
Ending things would bring its own kind of pain, and your mind knows that. So, of course the idea doesnβt feel peaceful.
Both of these things β the fading of feelings and the fear of ending things β make sense when someone has had to protect themselves emotionally for a long time. None of it means youβre doing something wrong.
πΏAnita
anitaParticipantGood π Confused:
You wrote 14 hours ago: “She is so loving/ kind towards me”-
Sounds comforting on one hand, but maybe unfamiliar on the other hand. What is new and unfamiliar can feel dangerous, simply because it’s unfamiliar.
“I felt a feeling of ‘obligation’ towards her… and now I have to keep up the same way forever”-
Young Confused, the π¦ Confused felt an obligation to keep up something, a vigilence perhaps, managing others’ emotions perhaps, a very difficult job for a boy..?
π¦β°οΈ Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning-night, Confused, and may that immense guilt not wake up when you do. May it π be gone.
Back 2 u tomorrow.
π Anita
anitaParticipantHey π Confused:
It’s almost night time π for me, so I’ll reply further in (my) Tuesday π, but for now. I like what you wrote in the last paragraph: you never tried to manipulate her.. no valid reason to feel shame or guilt.. is there?
π π π (emojis not making sense, lol) Anita
anitaParticipantHey soon2b π΄ π€ Confused:
Your last paragraph doesn’t contradict my last message: moving to another country (Germany, for the duration of her studies?) was indeed “too much” for you (as it would be for a lot of people, if not most people).
“Too much”=> Shutdown.
Fantasizing for months about being together, that’s nice. It’s safe. But actually moving to another country and actually living with a woman.. why, that’s another ball game.
“I feel guilty/ shameful”- that’s what I would work on in therapy (and perhaps elaborate on it here).
You feel ashamed of how you feel?
Whatever you feel, Confused, is π- you have the right to feel-or-not-to-feel.
π π π‘ π π Anita
anitaParticipantAnd the idea π‘ of living together (moving with her) was the topic (no longer having the protective shield of LD)
anitaParticipantI didn’t understand a part of your recent post. I understood the last sentence-question.
Yes, it makes sense to me that you’d be avoiding intimacy because intimacy is about intense feelings.
π¬ π³ π π« π© Anita
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