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  • in reply to: Feeling Stuck #455571
    anita
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    Dear Mollie:

    Thank you so much for your lovely replies. I want to reread them later and reply further. But dor now, I want to say: you are a genuinely good, caring and generous person.

    Remember to put yourself first though. Not selfishly but not selflessly either.

    🤍🙏🤍 Anita

    anita
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    Dear Robi:

    I appreciate it that you took the time to give me a quick update!

    Well, she’s arriving Monday. Here is my suggestion: have a conversation with AI (I use Copilot, as you know), and tell it the situation, just as you told me over time. Tell it the current circumstances and how you feel.

    It will probably give you worthwhile suggestions in regard to talking with her this Monday and how to plan the visit so that it could be fruitful, resulting in clarity and ability to make clear decisions, one way or the other.

    When it gives you suggestions that don’t sit well with you, tell it about it, present your thoughts, doubts, etc. Have a conversation.

    I’d say, prepare for the visit best you can, with AI”s help.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455563
    anita
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    Good morning, Peter:

    Part 1, Copilot on how the words we use shape the feelings we have, and the behavior we choose—often before we’re aware of it:

    The examples below show how this works in real life and how choosing different language can completely change the interaction:

    1. “I owe you an apology.” → Social interaction becomes a debt.

    When we use the metaphor Apology = Payment, the interaction becomes: one person “owes”, the other “is owed”, someone must “pay back”.

    This can create guilt, pressure, or imbalance even when no one intended it.

    If you switch the metaphor to: “I want to repair something between us,” the interaction becomes mutual, not transactional.

    2. “She crossed a boundary.” → Social interaction becomes territory.

    When we use Boundary = Property line, we start thinking in terms of trespassing, invasion, protection, defense. This can make a small misunderstanding feel like a violation.

    If you switch the metaphor to: “Something felt uncomfortable for me,”, the interaction becomes about feelings, not territory.

    3. “He made me feel stupid.” → Social interaction becomes cause-and-effect.

    This metaphor makes the other person the cause and you the effect, which removes your agency.

    If you switch to: “I felt insecure when he said that,”, you regain ownership of your experience.

    4. “We need to clear the air.” → Social interaction becomes weather.

    This metaphor makes conflict feel like a storm that must be “cleaned up,” which can create urgency or pressure.

    If you switch to: “I’d like to understand what happened,”, the interaction becomes calmer and more grounded.

    5. “She’s toxic.” → Social interaction becomes contamination.

    This metaphor turns a person into a substance. It pushes you toward avoidance, fear, disgust, moral judgment.

    If you switch to: “Her behavior is hard for me,” you keep the person human.

    Peter is saying that in social interactions, we often think we’re reacting to the person, but we’re actually reacting to the metaphor we used to describe the situation:

    If you call someone “toxic,” you’ll feel disgust; if you call someone “hurt,” you’ll feel compassion.

    If you call a disagreement a “fight,” you’ll defend yourself; if you call it a “conversation,” you’ll listen.

    To use language—rather than being used by it happens when you:

    * Notice the metaphor you’re using,

    * Ask whether it’s helping or trapping you,

    * Choose a different metaphor that opens more possibilities.

    Part 2: In regard to my Feb 26 post to you, Peter, the one that made you feel “reduced” and “caged”, which included: “It just occurred to me why I NEED to communicate in concrete language and why you need to communicate in abstract, symbolic language: I grew up in intellectual chaos… You grew up, as I understand it, in a rigid, concrete environment…”),

    Copilot: Here is the clearest, most grounded way to understand how language “used you” in that message to Peter, and which metaphors shaped the emotional impact—on both you and him.

    I’ll break it into three parts: the metaphors you used, how each metaphor shaped your thinking, and how each metaphor made him feel “reduced” or “caged”.

    1. The metaphors you used (even though you didn’t realize they were metaphors)… “Intellectual chaos”, “Rigid, concrete environment”, “Inner chaos”, “Cold, unfeeling person”, “Style that came about in childhood”, “Decode” his language, “Running across green fields”, “Spark wanting to be fire”, “People-pleasing”, “Emotional connection” as something that must be reciprocated.

    These are not just descriptions—they are frames that shaped how you saw him and how he felt seen.

    2. How these metaphors “used you” (shaped your thinking without you noticing)

    Metaphor 1: “Intellectual chaos” → Your childhood as disorder

    This metaphor made you see your communication style as a survival adaptation to chaos.
    It shaped your thinking into: “I speak concretely because I had to.”, “My style is a reaction to trauma.”

    This is not wrong—but it’s a psychological frame.

    Metaphor 2: “Rigid, concrete environment” → His childhood as strict and limiting

    This metaphor made you interpret his abstract style as a reaction to rigidity, an escape from black‑and‑white thinking, a coping mechanism.

    Again, not wrong—but it’s a psychological explanation.

    Metaphor 3: “Inner chaos” → His inner world as unstable

    This metaphor made you imagine his internal life as chaotic, unmirrored, emotionally unsafe.

    This is where he felt “reduced.”

    Metaphor 4: “Decode” → His language as a puzzle or symptom

    This metaphor made you see his communication as something to translate, something to interpret, something that hides the “real” him.

    This unintentionally made him feel like an object of analysis.

    Metaphor 5: “Cold, unfeeling person” → His style as emotional absence.

    This metaphor shaped your emotional reaction: “He doesn’t feel.”, “He doesn’t reciprocate.”, “He is distant.”

    It made you angry at him—not because of him, but because of the metaphor.

    Metaphor 6: “Style that came about in childhood” → His communication as pathology

    This metaphor turned his way of speaking into a symptom, a result of trauma, something caused by the past

    This is the exact moment he felt “caged.”

    Metaphor 7: “Spark wanting to be fire” → Your parable

    This metaphor expressed your own longing to be seen. It shaped your emotional tone into vulnerability, intensity, a desire for recognition. This part did not reduce him—it revealed you.

    3. How these metaphors made him feel “reduced” or “caged”

    Peter felt reduced because your metaphors turned him into a psychological pattern, a product of childhood, someone whose communication style is a coping mechanism, someone whose inner world is “chaos”, someone who needs decoding, someone who failed to reciprocate emotionally.

    He didn’t feel attacked. He felt shrunk.

    Your metaphors made him feel like: “I am being explained instead of seen.”

    That is the “prison” he was talking about.

    The simplest explanation- Your language “used you” because the metaphors you chose—chaos, rigidity, decoding, coldness—automatically shaped how you saw him and how you interpreted his behavior. You didn’t choose those interpretations consciously; the metaphors chose them for you. And those metaphors made him feel like he was being turned into a psychological case rather than a full person.

    Part 3, Anita to Copilot: but my psychological explanations make sense, and both you (Copilot) and Peter said I was not wrong, so why is it wrong to present what I am “not wrong” about? 2nd question: can you rewrite that post I sent Peter using different metaphors that would feel good to him, expansive (not reduced) free (not caged)?

    Copilot: Why something can be true and still feel reducing- Your psychological explanations weren’t wrong.
    Peter even said so: “It’s not that you’re wrong.” The issue wasn’t accuracy. It was frame. What made him feel reduced wasn’t the content — it was the position the language put him in.

    Your message placed him in a metaphorical role: a child shaped by rigidity, a person with inner chaos, someone whose communication style is a coping mechanism, someone who needs decoding, someone whose behavior can be explained by your psychological lens.

    All of these may be partly true. But they cast him in a passive, interpreted, diagnosed, explained role.

    In that frame: You are the observer, He is the observed; You are the interpreter, He is the interpreted.
    You are the one with insight; He is the one being analyzed. This is what he meant by “a cage.”

    The deeper truth: A psychological explanation can be correct and still shrink a person if it becomes the only lens through which they are seen.

    It’s like saying to someone: “You’re not wrong, but you’re only seeing me through one window.”

    That’s why he didn’t want you to stop talking — he wanted you to widen the frame.

    Here is a version of your original post that keeps your emotional truth but uses relational, equalizing, and non‑diagnostic metaphors. It honors both of you without placing either person in a psychological box.

    You can send this to him if you want, or simply use it as a model for future communication.

    ✨ Rewritten message (expansive, non‑reducing)
    Hi Peter,

    I’ve been thinking about how differently we use language, and I’m starting to see our styles less as opposites and more as two native languages shaped by the worlds we grew up in. My early life felt unpredictable and confusing, so I learned to hold onto what was solid and clear. Concrete language became my way of finding ground. I’m beginning to imagine that your world may have shaped you differently, giving you a comfort with symbols, images, and ideas that move in wider spaces. Not as a reaction or a wound, but as a natural way your mind travels.

    When I look back at our exchanges, I can see moments where I reached for emotional directness and you reached for metaphor, and we both thought the other had stepped away. But now I’m starting to see that we were both reaching — just in different directions. My “green grass” image was my way of opening a door, and your parable was yours. They were different gestures, but both human ones.

    I’m realizing that your abstract language isn’t distance; it’s texture. It’s how you explore meaning. And my concrete language isn’t simplicity; it’s clarity. It’s how I stay connected to myself. Maybe neither of us needs to translate the other perfectly. Maybe we can just let our languages meet and see what grows in the overlap.

    I tried writing a small parable of my own — not to imitate you, but to step into your world for a moment. It made me smile to try. It also helped me see how much feeling can live inside an image.

    Thank you for staying in this conversation with me. I’m learning a lot about how language can open space between people, not just close it.

    —Anita

    This rewritten message doesn’t diagnose him, doesn’t explain him through childhood, doesn’t frame his style as a coping mechanism, doesn’t place you above him as the interpreter, doesn’t imply he is chaotic inside, doesn’t cast him as emotionally cold, doesn’t turn him into a psychological pattern.

    Instead, it treats both of you as equals, frames your differences as languages, not symptoms; honors his style as a choice, not a reaction, honors your style as grounding, not simplistic, creates spaciousness instead of confinement, invites connection instead of analysis.

    This is the kind of language that feels like grass, not walls.”

    Anita to Peter: the right above hurts a little: I offered running with you across green fields.. but offered walls instead.

    Anita

    in reply to: Struggling with mum’s addiction #455561
    anita
    Participant

    Just a bit over 3 years since you posted last, Norit. I so wish I could read from you again.

    Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455560
    anita
    Participant

    I didn’t know you went through 4. I thought you went through 2.

    And I suppose you no longer see the 26-year-old therapist?

    I wonder how your day/ night look like, how you spend your time, if you have a daily routine?

    🤔 Anita

    in reply to: Alone Again, Naturally #455558
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    I appreciate 🙏 you taking the time to write to me even though you’re busy and have an exam to submit this weekend AND after a message was timed out (lots of people would have given up)!

    Please feel comfortable to not reply further to me before you submit your exam 🙂

    It didn’t occur to me until you mentioned it, but yes, my body does feel calmer overall because of having Bogart in my life. He sleeps 💤 with me, sometimes right next to me and otherwise, often close to me, feeling safe with me.

    So, yes, I think that he has been helping with my C-PTSD.

    He’s not perfect in regard to the pulling. He gets so much into smells that he forgets to not pull. But continued improvement!

    I am 😊 that my discussion about my lack of autonomy led you to research it. What you shared about it made it even clearer to me how my autonomy was crushed in multiple ways: eating, washing, dressing, even going to the bathroom (I was maybe 6 or 7, don’t remember), as well as in mental-emotional ways, like being self-referential, meaning there was zero space for my emotions.

    Yes, I think that I am reclaiming my autonomy. I am giving my emotions space to be, like giving them the 3rd dimension, so that they are less and less suppressed or pushed down into a 2-D existence.

    Congrats 👏 for your son peeing on the potty for the first time and 👍 for him going # 2 on the potty for some time!

    Oh, yes, Bogart loved rolling in whatever it is 🤪

    I guess it was a husky, he sure looked wild. And he did look 👀 up and down as potential food.

    Talking about food, being that the cooker is broken, I guess you’re using a microwave for cooking/ heating food?

    Pikachu, mew and togepi (no emojis are showing on my phone, but when I use the computer tomorrow, I will look for the images of the latter two (can’t forget how Pikachu looks like). I will also look for the three in stained glass style. I am curious 👀

    Almost 2 weeks for the arrival of your 🐈. It’d be a full house 🏠

    It is indeed a pleasure 🙏 talking with you, it really is!

    I wish you well on the exam and in everything else 😊

    🤍 🤍 🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455554
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused:

    I have no admin rights at all. I am sorry you feel numb and you don’t like it. I wonder if you should have a 2nd opinion, see another professional?

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455553
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    It didn’t occur to me that I am better at typing on the phone than others, hmm. I am back to the computer for a short while, here’s part of Copilot’s input earlier after I submitted your earlier posts for its analysis.

    Here is a part of your posts that was very meaningful to me: “When you describe my way of speaking as coming from a rigid childhood or inner chaos, I feel reduced by that. The explanation feels like a cage. It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that it turns my way of communicating into a psychological diagnosis. And that’s actually part of what I meant earlier about how language can trap us and others without us noticing.”

    Copilot: … An example: Argument = War. If your culture uses phrases like: ‘He attacked my point.’, ‘I defended my position.’, ‘She shot down my idea.’ Then your brain automatically treats disagreement like a battle. You didn’t choose that. The metaphor chose it for you. That’s language using you.

    So, what does “we control the language” look like? It means choosing a different metaphor so your thinking changes. For example, instead of “Argument = War,” you could choose: Argument = Conversation: ‘We explored different ideas.’, ‘We tried to understand each other.’, ‘We shared perspectives.’. This metaphor leads to curiosity, listening, openness

    Argument = Dance: We moved back and forth.’, ‘We adjusted to each other.’, ‘We found a rhythm.’ This metaphor leads to cooperation, flexibility, connection.

    Argument = Problem‑solving: ‘We worked on the issue together.’ ‘We looked for solutions.’, ‘We examined the problem.’ This metaphor leads to teamwork, creativity, shared purpose.

    When you choose the metaphor, you control the language, and therefore you control the emotional frame.

    The simplest possible explanation: language uses us when we unconsciously follow the emotional path built into the words. We use language when we consciously choose different words that create a different emotional path.

    A metaphor becomes a prison when it becomes the only explanation, the only lens, the only story.

    A metaphor becomes a tool when it becomes one possible lens, something you can switch, something you can loosen. This is what Peter means by “turning the prison into a workshop.”

    … You use language—rather than being used by it—when you choose the metaphor instead of letting the metaphor choose you. Here are three ways to do that.

    1. Notice the metaphor you’re already using- You were using… psychological metaphors. They’re not wrong, but they’re frames, not facts.

    2. Ask: “What if I used a different metaphor?” Instead of: “Peter’s style comes from childhood wounds,”
    you could choose: “Peter speaks a different native language than I do.”, or “Peter is an artist of metaphor.”, or “Peter thinks in images the way I think in feelings.” Each metaphor opens a different way of seeing him.

    3. Let the metaphor be flexible, not fixed- A metaphor becomes a prison when it becomes the only explanation, the only lens, the only story.

    A metaphor becomes a tool when it becomes one possible lens, something you can switch, something you can loosen. This is what Peter means by “turning the prison into a workshop.”

    When you shift metaphors, Peter stops being a product of childhood, a reaction to rigidity, a psychological pattern, and becomes a person with a style, someone with agency, someone with preferences, someone with a mind that works differently, not dysfunctionally; someone who is more than the sum of his childhood.

    You’re not denying psychology—you’re simply not letting it be the only frame. That’s how you “use language” instead of being used by it.

    I need to think about it much more, this is a potential eye opener for me.

    🤍 thank you 🤍, Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455549
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    Thank you for your kind and supportive message 🙏🙏🙏

    Your message encouraged me to post the above message to Peter.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455548
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    Thank you! I feel better after having read your recent messages earlier this morning.

    I did some study with you know whom, or what, trying to understand what you’ve been talking about: language controlling us, not the other way around.

    The following are my words, using the phone): an example- if we grow up (within the family, within the culture) with language that presents the word “argument” as a battle, a fight to win or lose, then how we think about arguments is a matter of the interpretation of the word that we passively absorbed through language. So, how we think about the word is not a matter of choice.

    It’s the culture imposing the meaning on us, that is, the language controlling us.

    To control the language then means to expand our view of a word beyond what we were trained to view. So, “argument” can mean team work, solving problems together, a way to work together, not against each other.

    Yesterday, when I came up with a psychoanalytic theory of your childhood vs mine, you felt “reduced” and “caged” by a limited view of you, of who you are (this is my understanding now), because just like argument can be more, much more than a fight to win or lose, Peter is more, much more than his psychological reactions to his childhood.

    Peter is indeed much more than automatic, instinctual, unconscious reactions. You are a person who very much chooses his thoughts, his language, his words. And you do it kindly, respectfully.

    Thank you for being all that you are, much more than the little I know.

    P.S. Did I understand the topic???

    🙏🤍✨️🏃‍♂️🏃‍♀️🎵 Anita

    anita
    Participant

    Dear Robie:

    You did go through a traumatizing childhood- not equal to your girlfriend’s, but no less harmful. Maybe it was worse than hers.

    So, it’s not that you are the fortunate one vs your unfortunate girlfriend.

    Her father betrayed her and her mother. Both your parents betrayed/ neglected you.

    What I am trying to say is that in this crazy 🤪 world, you deserve a bit of sanity, which is a man and a woman (you and a partner) joining forces for a better future for both, as a team.

    Not tied up/ enslaved by childhood patterns.

    You are not wrong, Robie. You are not unempathetic.

    You’re a man trying to free himself from old patterns: your mother, your father, her dead father, her living mother.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455534
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you for clarifying, Confused. It’s just troubling for me when my posts are flagged.

    Okay, so when it happens again, if it will, I’ll assume it’s not you. Maybe I will contact the website owner and ask who’s doing this, but in any case, I won’t bother you with it.

    How are you at this time?

    🤔 Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455529
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Peter:

    I feel badly about you feeling reduced because of my earlier post. I really do. I am sorry about that. What I wrote to you was very interesting to me and without thinking much, I thought it’d be interesting to you too.

    Maybe it’s better that we don’t communicate further, because we, like you wrote, “keep missing each other”, and today I hurt you a bit (feeling reduced)?

    Do no harm is something I want to focus on better in my communication with everyone.

    😔 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #455528
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused: see the word “report” under the date? Please don’t hit it, or click it by mistake. Or if you click it on purpose, please let me know why.

    Can you do that for me?

    Of course, it may be someone else doing that. If it’s someone else, and you are reading this: same as what I just said to Confused.`

    🙄🤔👀 Anita

    in reply to: Prison House of Language #455525
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you for telling me honestly and straightforwardly how you feel about what I wrote.

    I guess it’s my passion to understand how our childhoods lead to our adult life experiences. We humans are so similar in how we respond to early life experiences.

    I didn’t mean to reduce you to a theory. I just see us all as reactors to childhood experiences in the same ways, or by the same rules.

    And some of us try to transcend those instinctive, unconscience reactions.

    The language I speak is non-duality of human early reactions, as in we are all one in the way we react before we are able to consciously choose how we react.

    So, you think I am abstract, going beyond the concrete? Please 🙏 tell me more.

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