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anitaParticipantIn regard to her message, “you all are perpetrators”- I tried to be on her side by never trusting anyone/ be against everyone (and therefore, be WITH her), but no matter what, I was never allowed to be WITH her. No matter how much I rejected everyone, I was not to be one with her-
It never happened that I was one with her, as a team of two.. no matter how much I desired it to be that way.
As she experienced it, I was Always Enemy, NO MATTER how much I desired it to be otherwise. She just wouldn’t let anyone in as a friend or ally.
In her world there needed to be just one good, victimized entity (herself), and everyone else (her daughters, her grandchild)- terribly inadequate disappointments.
She’s been nothing but a terrible person to those born to her and who loved her the most. She was the WORST to those few who loved her the most, and in so being, she destroyed SO MUCH in those few who loved her the most.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Confused:
I mean, a legitimate loss of feelings may be about you being tired of the LONG-DISTANCE aspect of the relationship, understandingly wanting something that’s physically close..? (there are quite a few ingredients to the puzzle, if you care to explore)
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Q:
It did get better. He’s more affectionate and interactive indoors.. needs to allow me to take him on walks outdoors. I don’t want to always stay indoors. I would love to update you about a walk outdoors and another dream come true: to take him to the local taproom where people bring their dogs to, a dog friendly place. I’d love to see him positively interact with other dogs 🙂
Right now his adorable self is comfortably lying by the fire.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantWell, what is a “legitimate” loss of feelings vs illegitimate>?
anitaParticipantDear Tee/ Everyone:
I wrote earlier: “I want to list, matter of factly, her “Lies about (my)self, about her, about other people, about life..’, her narrative”-
What she said in so many words: “I (mother) am GOOD, ALWAYS GOOD. If you have any problem with me- that’s nothing but an indication of you being BAD, that and nothing else.
In other words, if you (Anita) express anything other than ADMIRATION for my total, unquestionable goodness- that’s nothing but your (Anita’s) BADNESS.
If I hit, slap, kick you- it’s nothing but an indication of your (Anita’s) badness, and if you resist or protest in any way (be it in an angry look and nothing else), that’s you (Anita) being BAD on top of bad.
In yet other words: I was expected to look down at the floor as she shamed and guilt-tripped me at great lengths; hit, kicked, punched me and NEVER, EVER express- in any way )not even in a look in my face)- anything but TOTAL ADMIRATION for her goodness. Which meant, unquestionable acceptance of my badness.
In yet other words, the only way for me to be just a bit good was to accept her loud, clear and repeating message- that I was B.A.D.
In regard to other people: They are all BAD (and so am I), and if I trust any one of them (or myself) then I am BADDER than bad.
Her message: You (Anita) have wronged me from the moment you were born (bridge birth, low-weight baby, refusing to nurse.. milk duct infection of young mother). You’ve been BAD from your very beginning, wronging the BEST MOTHER IN THE WORLD (her words, “best..)”
So, her narrative was always this: “I am the best; you are the worst; I’ve always been victim; you all are perpetrators”.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear James: The real devil= the ego/ the separate self. Your message: I am not my ego. My true self is beyond mind and ego.. But (if I understood correctly what you shared earlier) true self disappears in death.. nothing left of separate or true self when a person dies?
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHello again, Confused:
For a boy (or a girl), having a chaotic, violent relationship with one’s mother is not.. what any boy or girl can endure without lasting emotional harm (and the need to dissociate).
A mother is supposed to support her child consistently, not to argue and harm. The occasional affection here and there only serve to confuse..It’d be easier if the mother was consistently one way or the other. Do you agree?
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantThank you, Alessa!!!
He’s just like a child, looking up to me! He got so excited hearing a barking dog earlier, and right now, he’s hearing a wild rooster, all attentive.. The Call of The Wild.
It hasn’t been raining for a couple of hours, but I can’t leave him alone and go walking. He’s listening to the barking dog right now. The Call of the Wild.
I’m going to call for a backup right now.. Just checked, Bogart will have company as I go on my walk in a few minutes..!!! (I wouldn’t if he’d be alone).
🤍 🤍Anita
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anitaParticipantOh my G., Alessa, I just rescued Bogart from chewing on a sharp pencil, I didn’t get this house beagle proof! Luckily, I removed 3 mouse traps before he got to them, one which activated when I touched it. For crying out loud, I am not prepared..
And then he chewed on a stevia packet I left on the carpet and I asked AI if it’s dangerous for dogs (not in small amounts, a relief!)
Bogart is very active right now. It stopped raining, so I would have taken him for a walk, but the leash and harness purchased are not the right size, plus he’s afraid going out. So, I’m just sitting here letting Bogart know he’s not alone.
Plus, he’s drinking more water right now, and him refusing to go out means he’s going to relieve himself in the house.. I wish you were here to help me, Alessa!
🤍 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
(And again, thank you so much for the “Dear” and white & blue emojis, it’s so very kind of you to accommodate me this way!)
And thank you for guiding and encouraging me in my first steps of being a beagle Mom!
It also helps that I watched dozens of “Oliver The Beagle” YouTubes (not much audio there, so not difficult to process. In one of the YouTubes, Oliver’s (human) dad gave him a stuffed animal and Oliver spent a lot of time expressing his aggression (or fear) with it. Guess who is doing the same thing right now with a stuffed teddy bear?
I know I can’t and won’t leave him alone by himself. He’ll have human company 24/7.
You should see him with the stuffed teddy bear, he’s so cute!
🤍 🤍Anita
anitaParticipantDear James:
My study today:
Paraphrasing, you say that offense and conflict are illusions of the separate self (ego) and Real Spirituality is about transcending the separate self. The True Self is unshaken by external events.
You say that Love is not comfort or consensus, but a force that reveals truth through challenge or confrontation.
You view confrontation not as hostility, but as a way of revealing truth. Love is the willingness to disrupt comfort if it helps someone see beyond their separate self.
In Sufi mysticism, Jalal refers to divine majesty — often overwhelming, even confrontational. Love expressed through Jalal is not gentle affection but a powerful force that shakes the ego. In this sense, confrontation is a form of divine love that compels transformation.
There are psychological parallels to what you say: therapists sometimes challenge clients to face uncomfortable truths about freedom, responsibility, or mortality. This confrontation is seen as a loving act because it helps clients grow. In psychology, “tough love” means setting boundaries or confronting harmful behavior out of genuine care.
While everyday tough love is a practical act of care, you elevate confrontation into a spiritual act of awakening.
I think I understand now more than before, James. Thank you for being a part of these forums. Along confrontations, you expressed gentleness many times, and for that (along with the valid confrontations), I am grateful 🙏🙏🙏
I really am very interested in transcending my ego, a need I feel more acutely because of your input.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHello Confused:
Confused would be a fitting title for most of my life. It is only within the last few years that I have gained some clarity, enough clarity to feel so much better on an ongoing basis (no longer the distressing ups and down).
You mentioned “dissociating”- that happened to me a lot. When scared and overwhelmed with emotion, I dissociated. Its an automatic self-protective, built in mechanism.
In my case, my relationship with my mother scared and overwhelmed me, so my brain activated the dissociating mechanism in all relationships- I needed closeness but was afraid of it at the same time. Anything like that (to one extent or another) true to you?
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
“I’m happy that Bogi the beagle 😊 came home safely, albeit not without mishaps! I’m sorry, can’t give you much advice on how to clean after dogs (and in general about dog upkeep), since I’ve never had a pet. But I’m sure these are just beginner’s hurdles and you’ll get the hang of it soon enough! 🤞”-
Thank you, Tee. I am definitely a beginner. Bogi is my first pet, really. Truly, he’s adorable, so innocent and gentle.
“So, good to hear that you’ve managed to calm him down during the unpleasant ride, and that he found comfort in your proximity… That’s a very good sign – that he can relax in the proximity of his new owner. I think you’re already being a good dog mom, Anita. 😊 🤍”- 🙏🙏🙏 Tee. During the ride I was trying to be consistent, to teach him that I’m there for him whenever he opens his eyes, so he wasn’t alone. He trusted me. Trust is so essential in the context of human and human-dog interactions.
“And a clever one, too, bribing him to get on his bed by pieces of sliced turkey. 😂 Glad that worked out smoothly! 🙂”-i was proud of myself following my success 🥹✨💪🌟
“But I’m sorry to hear that Boe and Hunter are dead, specially that Hunter was killed by a deer! 😢 I hope Kooper, if you meet him again, will be able to play nicely with his younger fella, Bogi! 😊”- I just heard Kooper barking (I often do) and yes, I thought about the two meeting! Currently, Bogi is still scared to get up from his dog bed to go outside. He just wouldn’t get up. So, still anxiety. Plus, seems like he’s never been on a leash.
“Good thinking, Anita! I still wanted to add something, since it might be relevant for your quest to become a separate person and exit your personal holocaust… That’s a worthy quest, Anita. To start focusing somewhere else, on building your new identity (or rather, peeling off the layers of the false identity, coming to your True Self). And the precondition for that, like you noticed, is to feel mentally and emotionally less threatened by her, to create a mental-emotional safe distance from her.
“Because even if you haven’t been threatened physically for decades, because you chose to leave that toxic home, you were still emotionally and mentally threatened – because you believed her lies. Lies about yourself, about her, about other people, about life… You lived within her narrative, you believed it, you made decisions based on it.
“But recently, you’ve started to question that narrative and even rejected most of it. You’ve realized you’re not the person she told you (that) you are. And I hope you’re realizing that her opinion of you doesn’t feel so threatening anymore. She can believe whatever she wants, but it doesn’t affect how you feel about yourself and what you hold dear in life. It doesn’t affect your sense of self. That would be the goal.
“And so if her judgment doesn’t affect you, or affects you less than before, there is a space to feel greater emotional and mental safety from her. To feel like your life is yours, not hers, or not in reaction to her. And that’s how you can start exercising independence, and actually get out of that prison camp. Because her view of you isn’t imprisoning you any longer.. Maybe you’re feeling that already, but I just wanted to mention it, in case it helps some more..”-
Very well said, Tee 🙏🙏 🙏 In my next post in this thread, sometime later, I want to list, matter of fact-ly, her “Lies about (my)self, about her, about other people, about life..”, her narrative.
🤍 🙏 🫶 🤍Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
First, responding to what you shared today in your first post: I am glad 😊 that you give yourself credit for being ready to be a parent. I very much relate to you saying that being around so much negativity growing up taught you to be quite negative and that it’s nice developing a strong positive voice. This is very true to me and developing a strong positive voice is.. very new to me and it’s very pleasant.
I am glad that your son was accepted to a very good nursery starting in the Spring, so more time for preparation (including potty training).
I also relate to you hating your mother when you were a child and not wanting to be like her, as well as to your mother’s history (being very young and mentally ill and in regard to my mother, possibly having been sexually abused herself). Both of our mothers deserve empathy for the abuse and misfortune they went through as children, but they deserve no empathy whatsoever for the abuse they inflicted on their own children, so empathy in context.
My mother too never apologized and I find it fascinating when considering the distinction between good people and bad people- if there’s goodness in a person who does bad things, how come THROUGHOUT DECADES there’s NEVER an apology? (the big case letters are for emphasis as well as expressing my A.N.G.E.R about it!) I am curious to read your thoughts about it, Alessa.
Second, in regard to your second message that you addressed to me:
I am glad you didn’t think I was ignoring you and that you felt comfortable asking me why I didn’t post in your thread, and that it’s okay with you that I shared about my intrusive thoughts (I was worried) 🤍
You are right, people do say in passing things like “I’m so mad I could kill x or y” and genuinely not mean it. Coming to think about it, it would have been almost nice if my mother said to me: “I’m so mad I could kill you” in comparison to what she did say: “I will kill you!”
Yes, the pup got home, but scared. I was worried but less so today because when I first approached him in his dog bed, he wagged his tail just a bit. I didn’t know that there are detergents with enzymes. I need that! Thank you 🙏 for the advice!
🤍 🤍 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantOh my, so, Just heard Bogie (possible name) drinking water, which means his next pee shouldn’t be in the house.. so, got to move him to the outside if you don’t want his pee on the floor, for crying out loud (HELP)…..
He’s just been picked and carried outside for peeing purposes (WHY IS LIFE so COMPLICATED?)
Waiting, hoping for the best as far as the dark, cruel outside..
Waiting… Did the dog pee?
Almost 9 pm.. Waiting.. It’s dark and dangerous out there..
Just checked.. he doesn’t feel safe peeing outside, which means .. pee inside the house tonight.
I have lots of detergents.. anything to remove all this vomit and urine.. and pooh?
.. Well, I’m almost besides myself..
Can urine be removed from wooden floor?
So, he’s been a beagle. Bogi or Bogart is his name. He’s lying on his dog bed.
Truthfully, he’s ADORABLE, a good, gentle soul. If he was clean and didn’t smell like vomit, I would definitely have him in my bed tonight!
To be continued..
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