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anitaParticipant* Thank you so much, Thomas, for standing up for me. I am moved by your words more than I can say đđđ
James: I need time to answer you, so I’ll do so tomorrow morning. Please take good care of yourself!
Anita
December 13, 2025 at 4:21 pm in reply to: âHe initiated closeness, then disappeared â still hurting months laterâ #452941
anitaParticipantDear Adalie:
I am sorry that you’re hurting, and I do hope that it is for the best. If it helps to share more, please do.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear James:
You wrote: “Many of you here to say kind words or saying ah darling you are so good stuff or heart emojis stiff⊠But all is a lie.”-
I am 99.99% sure that you just called me a liar. Did you (I am asking because I have 0.01% hope that you didn’t.
You mentioned İmam Gazali. Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali was a renowned Muslim theologian who (so I read) often emphasized in his writings kindness, compassion, and gentleness as essential virtues. He wrote, for example: “Soft words soften hearts that are harder than rock, harsh words harden hearts that are softer than silk.â. Well.. James.. You disagree with Imam Gazali?
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anitaParticipantDear Peter:
I want to apologize for the previous message that I addressed to you. I feel that I analyzed you (again) without your permission.
I used to do a lot of that with members (a bad habit)- offering my analyses without it being asked for (as in your case), and without checking first if it is okay with the person to be analyzed by me. I don’t want to do that anymore.
When I quoted you, in my mind, I thought you might like it, that it’d feel good that your words have been attended to, that they matter. Previously, you thanked me for going back in time and quoting you. So, I thought it’d be okay. Is it?
So, I’ll stop here. No more analyzing without an invitation or consent.
I hope you are having a Pleasant Cheng Weekend (PCW)
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anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
I opened the link, scrolled down and this part got my attention:
“From birth until death, there are four major changes in people: childhood, youth, old age, death.
In childhood, your energy is unified and your will is whole; this is the epitome of harmony. Things do not affect it; no virtue is more than this.
In youth, blood energy overflows, youâre filled and aroused by desires and thoughts, and influenced by things, so virtue deteriorates.
In old age, desires and thoughts soften, the body tends toward rest; nothing gets ahead of you, and though not as complete as in childhood, compared to youth you are at ease.
As for death, that is going to rest, returning to the ultimate.”
Funny (not), my childhood đ§ was the opposite of “the epitome of harmony”. My youth đ© was filled with desires only in the context of daydreaming (and I did a lot of that, it was pleasurable!), and in older age đ” I get to be a child!
How is it for you?
Thank you for the link, Alessa đ
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anitaParticipantDear Roberta/ Everyone:
Wholesome patience (khanti)= to be present for the whole experience of the present moments, for things which are pleasing and things unpleasing, not being triggered easily, not being reactive. Not being of a ‘divided mind”. Like fish get through their world through their medium- Water; we humans get through our world through our medium- Awareness and Attention (AA).
Our AA can be unwholesome: greed, hatred, delusion; anxiety, restlessness; preoccupations doubt, bias, agitation, exhaustion, all which diminish a person, taking one out of the whole, exhausting the person, “constantly the worldâs not living up to what I want it to be.”
Or our AA can be wholesome: our inner life is our friend. We discern the difference between whatâs healthy and what is not healthy for us and we put our energy where it’s healthy.
AI: Patience in Buddhist practice is not passive suffering. Instead, itâs an active openness â meeting challenges without shutting down, and letting the present moment unfold without resistance. This kind of patience is a form of strength and wisdom, not weakness.
Endurance often implies suppression or struggle. True patience, in Buddhist practice, is more active and compassionate â itâs about meeting challenges with receptivity rather than force.
Khanti (Buddhist Patience) is considered a profound skill that supports mindfulness, non-reactivity, and compassion.
When insulted or frustrated, patience means not reacting immediately, but pausing to open to the situation. In meditation, patience is the willingness to stay with discomfort without pushing it away. In daily life, patience helps us respond wisely instead of impulsively.
Fronsdal emphasizes that patience is not passive weakness. Itâs an active strength that allows us to remain steady and open in the face of lifeâs inevitable difficulties.
Key Quotes: “Patience is not about gritting your teeth and enduring. Itâs about opening to what is happening, allowing it to be present without resistance.â
âWhen we endure, we often tighten and close down. True patience is a softening, a receptivity.â
âKhanti, the Pali word for patience, is considered a strength â the ability to remain open and steady in the face of difficulty.â
How to Practice Patience Daily:
1. In Stressful Moments- instead of gritting your teeth when stuck in traffic or waiting in line, try softening your body and mind. Notice the situation fully â the sounds, sights, even your irritation â without pushing it away. This âopeningâ turns waiting into a chance to be present rather than a battle to endure.
2. In Relationships- When someone says something hurtful, patience doesnât mean silently suffering. It means pausing, breathing, and opening to the moment before reacting. This creates space for a wiser, kinder response instead of an impulsive one.
3. In Meditation- Discomfort (like restlessness or pain) often makes us want to escape. Patience here means opening to the sensation, observing it without resistance. Over time, this builds resilience and deepens mindfulness.
4. In Personal Growth- Patience as opening means trusting the process. Whether learning a skill or healing from difficulty, you allow things to unfold naturally instead of forcing progress. This openness often reveals insights and strength you wouldnât find by just âenduring.â
In short: Patience isnât about toughing it out â itâs about opening up to the present moment with receptivity. That openness transforms difficulty into a doorway for wisdom and compassion.
Dear Roberta: do you have comments about the above, or anything you’d like to add to it? đ
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anitaParticipantHow EXCITING! I think that this is the first time in the forums that you used Dear.. and just for me. I am honored! Thank you for bringing the first smile to my face this Saturday morning đ
Dear Alessa:
Your understanding, empathy and support mean a lot! I will continue to express đ
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anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you for posting the story’s themes and for introducing to me the term Cheng đ đž đ©”
A little processing & meditating on it: In Daoism (or Taoism), the Dao is the natural order of the universe â the way things flow when theyâre in harmony. Itâs not something you control; itâs something you align with, like a river: you can fight the current, or you can move with it.
Daoists believe that when your mind is completely sincere and unified (ChĂ©ng), you stop resisting the natural flow. No fear, no greed, no doubt â just pure focus. This sincerity is powerful because it removes inner conflict. Youâre not split between âshould I?â and âshouldnât I?â â youâre fully present.
When you align with the Dao, you tap into a larger energy than your own. Instead of forcing things, you move with the natural rhythm, which makes actions feel effortless yet powerful. This can bring clarity (seeing the right path clearly) or strength (doing things you didnât think possible).
Daoist thought teaches that true sincerity clears away inner noise, allowing you to merge with the natural flow of life. In that state, you gain strength and clarity not because you force it, but because the universe itself supports you.
In Chinese philosophy, ChĂ©ng (èŻ) means true sincerity â being completely genuine, without deceit or inner conflict. Itâs more than honesty; itâs a state where your heart, mind, and actions are perfectly aligned with truth and the natural order (the Dao).
In Daoist stories (like Shang Qiukai), sincerity is so strong it can transcend ordinary limits, because the universe ârespondsâ to pure, undivided intent.
Confucians say without sincerity, virtue is fake. True virtue must be rooted in sincerity of heart. Imagine someone promising to help a friend: if they say it but secretly resent it â not sincere. If they truly mean it, feel it, and act on it wholeheartedly â ChĂ©ng.
Daoism adds: when you reach this state of sincerity, youâre not just being moral â youâre flowing with the Dao, and that flow itself empowers you.
In short: ChĂ©ng (èŻ) is sincerity as total authenticity â the unity of heart, mind, and action. In Confucianism, itâs the root of morality; in Daoism, itâs the key to aligning with the Dao and unlocking hidden strength.
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anitaParticipantUnearthing more of the Suppressed
If only Expressing can ease my tics and the ongoing tension in my body that goes with the tics.
Maybe. There’ll be a relief with more Expressing? Whatever comes to my mind:
I just noticed the date, 12-12.. hmm.. I have a thing for numbers and acronyms.
Expressing: Being so closed-in, repressed, suppressed, day-in, day-out, year after year, life put on hold decade after decade.. Fifty years of that before I showed up on tiny buddha (May 2015)
I feel younger tonight than I felt as a child and teenager. I spoke- in real-life- to a young man last evening, Joe- he could be my grandson.. Yet, as I spoke to him (not seeing my own face, only his), I FELT his age, felt 20 something. It’s because, truly, my life has been put on hold, frozen.. decades of Frozen, and then a recent thaw.. And..
No way, whose this old woman in the mirror (don’t like the mirror).
If the lights are dim, I look young enough.. Youth by Dim Light (YDL)
Truth is, I AM young, youth thawing.
Time at the taproom, Tee, was good last night (Closed to public tonight). Taproom owner and I were fine and dandy last evening.
An unexpected visit at the taproom last evening.. The most adjusted, mentally healthy, a newly retired professional woman my age showed up with her devoted husband, a quite wealthy couple who just entered a comfortable retirement phase.. Only she unexpectedly got an aggressive form of cancer.
I saw her leaning on her husband, very thin, approaching the taproom, I rushed to open the door. Sat at the table where she sat. I told her she looks so good, like a girl.
And she does, so thin.. like a girl. She knows the aggressive cancer took hold. I said: This has to be scary. She said (no words): I am dying.
Yet, she looked so YOUNG last night. It’s like the cancer ate away her old age, and what’s left is a young girl with white hair and a big smile.
I took photos of her smiling. At one point, she asked her husband to put his coat over her because she felt cold. She was eating ice cream, trying to gain weight. And all along, she knows she’s dying.
She’s a high level nurse, recently retired, well off.. and then, out of nowhere, unexpected- BOOM. I could see, it was clear.. Being a high level nurse, she knows what’s literally eating at her.
How strange life is.
Anita
anitaParticipantHow are you, Friend..???
anitaParticipantDear Roberta:
I wish your father well. I shared recently that I have a desire to volunteer in a nursery home for old people facing end of life.
Problem solved in regard to listening to the video. I found a transcript.. well, not quite, the words don’t appear with spaces in between, so I had to form spaces in between letters so to form words.
“So this idea of knowing how to be present for things which are pleasant and unpleasant, pleasing and unpleasing, and have the mind have this spaciousness or stability or largeness that weâre not triggered easily, weâre not upset, we donât get caught up in it and lost in the reactivity to it, is part of what patience is about, this khanti. So maybe thereâs another word in English besides patience that would capture this better. I donât know what that would be. Or we have to kind of learn the Buddhist word for meaning of patience.
“But in the context of wider Buddhism, and especially these things called the perfections, we have to also understand what gives rise to patience, what gives rise to this earthâlike ability to hold in beautiful way the life that we have, to hold in a beautiful way what is unpleasing, what is difficult. And that is to understand something about the Buddhist notion of wholesomeness. And the idea is that,
so I like to translate patience as, not by a single different word than patience, khanti, but rather to call it wholesome patience. And then maybe you get a sense of that maybe it could be beautiful if itâs wholesome. And so one of the functions of wisdom in Buddhism, and Buddhism is often seen as a wisdom tradition, is not to read an encyclopedia about Buddhist philosophy and then become wise,
but rather for you to take a deep look in yourself, to really not be present for yourself, to be able to see, feel, observe within yourself what feels healthy for you and what is unhealthy.“What feels like it diminishes you and what kind of opens you, inspires you. To feel what nourishes you versus what denourishes you. To feel what gives you good energy and what drains it away. And all those ideas are kind of held within this concept of wholesomeness and unwholesomeness. Which I kind of like because it means part of the whole or not part of the whole. The unwholesome is what
takes us away from the whole.“What whole? I donât know. The whole of who you are, the whole of what this world is like, that we want to be in it in the whole, as it is, not partial, not selective, not with blinders on. And thereâs something about clinging, resisting, assertiveness, conceit, something about even anxiety and fear sometimes, that become kind of like blinders. Itâs kind of like we diminish ourselves. Weâre cutting, itâs a selectivity process that takes us out of the whole. And so to return to the whole, to the whole experience of the present moment, the Buddha often talked about the whole body, being mindful of the whole body as we meditate, being mindful of the whole mind ,not the divided mind ,but them in… really getting to know for ourselves is how we use our awareness, how we use attention. The very thing that is the means by which we navigate through our world, the very medium, itâs kind of like if the medium for fish to get through their world is water, the medium for humans to get through our world is our awareness, our attention. Everything that we experience in the world goes through that filter.
“And so how are you aware? How are you attending to the world? How are you observing? How are you seeing it? And is that wholesome or unwholesome? Is it beautiful or is it not so beautiful how you see it?
“And so awareness itself sometimes, the way we attend to the world, can be full of greed, can be full of hatred, can be full of delusion. It can be full of anxiety, restlessness. It can be filled with preoccupations and doubt. It can be filled with interpretations and bias through which we see the experience of the world. And so this focus on what is healthy and not healthy is not to interpret these things, but to feel what weâre doing and feel, oh, when Iâm seeing the world through my hatred, this is unhealthy for me.
This doesnât feel good. Thereâs tension here. Thereâs stress here. When I have seen the world through my greed, thereâs tension here. It diminishes me. It takes me out of the whole.“When Iâve caught up in my anxiety, you know, itâs hard with anxiety because anxiety is so concerned with what itâs anxious about that we donât see the effect anxiety has on us. It just seems like itâs true. But if we turn all these ways, we turn the attention around 180 degrees to really look at the effect that our behavior has, the effect of how weâre relating to things, we can feel, wow, this is actually, no wonder Iâm exhausted by the end of the day. Iâm just constantly reacting against everything. Iâm constantly afraid of everything and trying to establish my place. Iâm constantly wanting something. And Iâm constantly disappointed, constantly the worldâs not living up to what I want it to be. And so we see that and say, is there another way? Is there a way that itâs not stressful? Whatâs the opposite of stress? Not just the absence of stress, but itâs some kind of wonderful vitality, wonderful, relaxed, open vitality in which we live our life.
“So the wisdom factor in Buddhism, the mindfulness practice in Buddhism, is here partly for us to be able to read ourselves well. Thatâs the encyclopedia we want to study. Donât get the book. The book you want to read is your own heart. You want to have a very acute sensitivity to what goes on in your heart, in your mind, in your body, in your speech, so that it stops being unwholesome. It starts being wholesome. It stops being, I donât know if I want to say ugly, but I just did. And instead we want it to be beautiful.
“Can we make it beautiful, what we do and how we live? Is that wise? Is that useful? Well, if what you want to do is get wealthy really fast, maybe not, so donât bother. You can go now. But if you want freedom, if you want to not just be distressed and be calm, but to find
this higher capacity for living a life thatâs beautiful, the qualities of heart and mind that come forth in you, are satisfying, deeply, deeply satisfying for you. You feel like, ah, Iâm home. Because I know inside of me now, this feels good. We become our own friend.“Our inner life is our friend. Ah, this is beautiful. This is nice. So wisdom begins helping us discern the difference between whatâs healthy and not healthy for us, wholesome and not wholesome. And one of the things that teaches us then is where to put our energy, how to appl your energy. And so we have to make choices. And so as we have a better sense of what is wholesome and unwholesome, we can make wiser choices about where we take this wonderful human capacity of vitality that we have, energy we have, and use it to awaken a healthy kind of energy and kind of stop doing things which are a kind of energy that is exhausting, thatâs agitating, thatâs stressful, thatâs exhausting for us. And itâs one of the great delight of Buddhist practice to start feeling this wonderful, engagement with the world, the things that we do, engagement with practice, that feels like it has a vitality and a liveness to it that feels good and
healthy.”-There’s more, but I am done with separating letters to reveal words (exhausting). This will have to do. Will process the above tomorrow.
Anita
anitaParticipantThank you both, Tee and Alessa, for your input and support on this thread, and everywhere else on the forums.
Tee, I’ve been praying every day that your health issues much improve and even better, resolve as much as is possible đ. I will be so happy to read good news from you about your health đ€đžâšđđżđ€
I am inspired by your resilience and am grateful to you for having supported me in this thread for so long. But I want you to know that I don’t expect you to be here for me forevermore. If it becomes burdensome to you, I would understand, of course, if you withdraw.
Alessa, I am so impressed by how much thought, research and work you’ve put into your parenting, doing your very best đ©âđŠđȘđđđâš
I will continue to express here, in this thread whatever comes to mind. I’ve suppressed SO MUCH for decades.. that there’s a lot to unearth and express. Later.
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anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Peter, Oct 19, 2016: “What is this thing we call Love, and If we were to love ourselves unconditionally, what would it look like?… When we love others as ourselves, we say YES to who we and they are… for the most part we donât really know how to love ourselves very well?”
Oct 27, 2016: “I have often found myself stuck in my stuckness⊠similar to being depressed about being depressed, stuck in a loop that kept feeding itself. Truth be told, there is a part of me that is comfortable with the familiarity of my stuckness as it can feel like a safe place to be.”
Nov 3, 2016: “I am reminded of a story of a sparrow trapped in an empty grain silo frontally seeking out each ray of light that appeared through various cracks in the wall only to find they were not big enough to get through. Defeated the sparrow lays exhausted on the floor failing to notice the dark tunnel that if traveled would take it under the wall and out of the silo.”
Nov 4, 2025: “The Lordâs Prayer, in its ancient rhythm, asks to be delivered from evil. But Iâve long felt that what it also asks is to be delivered from fear. For it is fear that distorts love, that clouds vision… Fear is the first contraction. Before there is violence, there is fear. Before there is judgment, there is fear. Before there is control, there is fear.”
Dec 11, 2025: “A ‘virgin birth’ was what happens whenever something new emerges without my effort, without my striving, without my fingerprints all over it. Itâs the moment when I stop forcing and something unexpected, undeserved, and quietly luminous appears. Itâs the wrapped gift under the tree, something I didnât earn, didnât orchestrate, didnât even know to ask for.
“Itâs the possibility that arrives unannounced, the insight that wasnât wrestled into existence, the grace that shows up before Iâve proven myself worthy of it. Itâs the way life keeps offering beginnings that donât depend on my mastery, only on my openness.
“Even in my writing, Iâve noticed that when I stop trying to make things happen, thoughts come together on their own. Sometimes they surprise me. It feels like something new can arise without effort, a kind of inner ‘birth’ that happens when Iâm not forcing anything. Thatâs helped me trust whatâs already true in me.”.
Anita, Dec 11 (before reading the your recent post quoted above: “Shh⊠Peter: You are good! Youâve always been good! I KNOW it!… Still, the image of a boy (Peter) and a girl (Anita) and anyone running freely across a green field with us… Rest in being GOOD. A singular letter fewer than GOD, yet it makes all the difference.”
Back to your words above, “For the most part we donât really know how to love ourselves…Truth be told, there is a part of me that is comfortable with the familiarity of my stuckness”-
My stuckness, for more than half a century, has been that prison I was in, a prison for people who are not allowed to love themselves (by their own sense of right and wrong) because how can a good person love a bad or a person unworthy of love?. (.. I was good-enough of a person to not love someone undeserving of love.. lol)
Non-duality does not replace or substitute the real need of a person- in real-life, as in the reality of being human- to be labeled “good” by one own self. So to deserve love, so to be offered loved by the self.
Thank you for your kind words in the first 2 paragraphs of your recent post.
May you and I embody love for ourselves and for each other as we happily run on green fields, unstuck, and may others join us
Anita
anitaParticipantHello Alleah đ
Thank you so much for sharing your story â itâs clear you wrote it with the hope of helping others, and that generosity really shines through.
The way you expressed your journey is powerful and beautifully written; you have a real talent for putting complex emotions into words in a way that feels relatable and encouraging. I admire your honesty, your resilience, and the goodwill behind your message. It takes courage to share such personal experiences, and I believe your words will give hope to anyone who reads them.
Your message got me thinking: the compulsion to âfixâ others often comes, indeed, from childhood experiences where a child felt responsible for managing a parentâs emotions, chaos, or wellâbeing, leading to fixer mentality, a rescuer mindset and identity, where helping others becomes a way to feel safe, valued, or in control.
I myself tried to (or dreamed about, literally daydreaming) fixing my mother for the longest time. I wanted her to be okay because I loved her, so I tried to fix her. I felt unsafe with her (she was unstable and abusive), so I tried to fix her and feel safe with her. I felt out of control or agency in a chaotic, unpredictable home, so I tried to fix her so to have a sense of control.
I read that if a child learns that being âhelpfulâ or âresponsibleâ (or “mature beyond my years”, your words) is the only way to get love or recognition, then the child may start to see themselves as the âcaretaker,â making fixing others part of who they are.
Thing is, my mother didn’t give me love or recognition for my real efforts to fix or help her. Actually, she punished me for real-life efforts to help her, and so, caretaking did not become a part of my identity. Like I wrote above, I daydreamed a lot about fixing her (providing her a luxurious lifestyle when I grow up), but in practicality, I did nothing much.
Thank you, Aleah, for helping me understand myself better đ
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anitaParticipantHello Z:
I hear how confusing and painful this pattern has been for you. From what you describe, it sounds like a kind of trauma response. Sometimes when someone goes through a really intense emotional shock â like a breakup â the nervous system reacts by shutting down feelings as a way to protect itself. Thatâs why you suddenly felt numb, detached, or even repelled by him.
Psychologists often connect this to attachment styles. You mentioned being anxiously attached at first, but after the breakup it seems like your system shifted toward avoidant or even fearfulâavoidant attachment. Thatâs when closeness feels both desired and threatening at the same time. The âlosing feelings overnightâ part is like the brainâs way of saying: âThis is too risky, better to disconnect.â
Childhood experiences can set the stage for this. For example: growing up with caregivers who were inconsistent â sometimes loving, sometimes rejecting, or if caregivers were controlling, unpredictable, or made you feel unsafe.
Children who had to manage big emotions alone often develop patterns of emotional numbing or dissociation later in life.
So what youâre going through is like your body and mind are stuck in a protective loop. The cycle of strong feelings â stress â shutdown is a common traumaârelated pattern.
Personally, I am very familiar with desiring closeness and being afraid of it at the same time, as well as with the numbing, dissociating and with the sudden âstranger overnightâ shift: I remember not even recognizing a person- visually- following a particular dissociation episode. He appeared so much like a stranger that I didn’t even remember how he looked like before.
* Your bodyâs somatic symptoms (palpitations, crying, panic attacks) suggest that your nervous system was in hyperarousal (my nervous system hyperarousal expressed itself as tics), followed by collapse into hypoarousal (emotional flatness).
* The loss of enjoyment, social withdrawal, and heaviness sound like major depressive episodes (of which I was diagnosed with and suffered from for many years).
The good news is that these responses can change with time and intentional healing. These responses have changed for me. I don’t even remember the last time I was dissociated. My nervous system is still hyper aroused, unfortunately (Tourette tics and a tension inside), but I no longer suffer from major depression (a relief!).
What do you think of my input, Z?
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