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April 2, 2026 at 12:40 pm in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456580
anitaParticipantJust wanted to say I’ll reply further by tomorrow. Thank you, Peter for participating in my purpise ๐ thread
April 2, 2026 at 11:52 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456576
anitaParticipantI read just a bit of your recent post and I see you like the 1ร2=1 ha-ha. I suppose a wiser, hidden part of me knew better than I did (see my edit a few minutes before your recent post (double posting)
April 2, 2026 at 11:41 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456574
anitaParticipantOopsie, my math: 2ร1 is 2 NOT 1. But in mathematical context..2 is almost 1 (unlike in human-social context)๐ค
April 2, 2026 at 11:33 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456573
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
You wrote that you sided with the 3rd servant because you understood “his terror of a ‘harsh master’ who demands a return of an investment he didn’t provide”-
An image of a scared young Peter comes to mind, day in and day out. Oh, how I wish I could reach him back then, calm his anxiety and give him the chance, the opportunity, to be a care-free child.
The image of you and I running on green grass in open fields just came back to me: two children running, not away from, but toward something- the call of the wild, a call available only to the carefree.
“The conclusion the trauma forced on us to draw, that we were ‘shameful’ or ‘a mistake’ is the part that isn’t true”-
I read this part attentively just now, for the first time since you wrote it, and what stands out most is your use of the pronoun “us”, as in you and me. Feels special.
I don’t remember ever using “us” growing up (growing inwards, really). The sense of an chronically isolated “I” was profound, unnatural for a social animal such as human.
And about return of investment: no such expectation here. At this point, I appreciate you more than ever and this appreciation is non-reversible.
๐๐ค๐โโ๏ธ๐โโ๏ธ๐โโ๏ธ๐โโ๏ธ๐โโ๏ธ Anita
April 2, 2026 at 10:09 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456572
anitaParticipantHey Peter:
Thank you for caring to clarify (3rd & 4th paragraphs right above). That is kind of you ๐ค
I just used the ๐ฅ to look up the parable and back to my ๐ฑ (hence the emojis showing up, can’t or won’t resist them ๐, and then add some. Hope you don’t mind?)
The parable was a ๐ of anxiety and shame by impact, if not by intent for the intelligent, highly perceptive young Peter.
I wish there was someone back then, a caring perceptive adult, who’d motice how you felt, and maybe offer you a different parable, one of justice and kindness-
because the literal story portrays injustice and an unempathetc, punishing, cruel master. And children take things literally. I still do ๐
By the way, as I read the story, I thought that the third sevant didn’t double his talent because 2ร 1 is still 1. I thought he was methamatically aware (my literal interpretation)
I’ll write more later.
๐ ๐ ๐ฅบ Anita
anitaParticipantHey ๐ Confused (now using my ๐ฑ):
I hear you. Sounds to me like you miss her a lot. The fact that this is very much a long- distance relationship where you’ve been with her physically only 3 days, and that was 4 months ago-
That would be difficult and challenging for anyone regardless of attachment style and history!
๐ ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning ๐ Confused:
I did not yet read your 2 recent posts because I want to attend first to a few things from what we talked about yesterday (it took me a couple of hours to write the following, which includes my personal best understanding- for you to consider and evaluate if you choose to do that):
1) You shared: “I remember sometimes when Iโd go and hug my mother (I was like 10) she would suspiciously look at me and tell me ‘What do u need now? / What mischief have u done?’ so I stopped that too, eventually”. I asked you: “Do you remember what you felt when your mother met your love with suspicion and accusation?”, and you answered: “Hmm, I think I felt shame.”-
When a child goes to hug a parent, theyโre not just giving affection โ theyโre seeking connection, safety, warmth and reassurance. But what did you receive instead? Suspicion: โWhat do you need now?โ, โWhat mischief have you done?โ
Your affection was misinterpreted as manipulation or wrongdoing. For a child, thatโs confusing and painful.
Your reaction: Shame. Shame is the emotion of: ‘Something is wrong with me.’, ‘My affection is unwanted.’, ‘My needs are suspicious.’, ‘I shouldnโt reach out.’ So, you shut down that part of yourself (the part that feels affection, the part that has needs, the part that wants to reach out)- so to stay safe.
2) You shared: “Yes, my brain does that a lot with everyone, I guess it’s a protective mechanism. Actually, it started when she confessed her feelings with the poem (I felt ‘wow, she is really into me, now I gotta be careful, why am I not feeling more enthusiastic? I should feel more!’)”-
When she showed strong, surprising affection toward you, catching you off guard (the poem), you froze. Why? Seems to me that the reason is that Affection became associated with Rejection and Accusations (your mother’s repeated response), and the same shame you felt at age 10 resurfaces: ‘Iโm not reacting right.’, ‘Iโm disappointing her.’, ‘Iโm doing something wrong.’
Your childhood taught you: ‘Affection is not safe. If I show it, Iโll be questioned or judged. If someone shows it to me, Iโll fail them.’
Thatโs why you said earlier: โNow I gotta be careful.โ- careful of repeating that old shame.
Before the poem, things were probably ambiguous, playful, or lowโstakes. After the poem, it became real, serious, emotionally loaded. That sudden shift can make someone pull back internally to reassess.
The most telling part is this: โwow, she is really into me, now I gotta be carefulโ- Thatโs not the thought of someone who doesnโt care. Thatโs the thought of someone who cares so much about not causing harm that they become cautious.
3) Because of double posting I didn’t read the part about “Why ‘Too Much Love’ Leads to Shutdown”- the article talks about emotional Burnout caused by (1) Excessive giving without equal reciprocation, (2) Focusing solely on a partner and sacrificing your own needs, priorities, and self-care, (3) Fear of abandonment, (4) A history of heartbreak.
I think that your mother’s the core of your history of heartbreak ๐ What do you think, Confused?
Next, I will read your recent 2 posts and reply
๐ค Anita
anitaParticipant* outside of the fear
anitaParticipantHmm.. yes, I think the two of you are afraid, scared of.. well, you tell me. You know better than I do.
But outside if the fear, I see something special on your part and on hers, no less.
It’s almost 9 pm here, b Back in (my) morning ๐ (your.. evening)
๐๐๐ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Good to read back from you this Wed night ๐ (here).
I mean your feelings were real, and so were hers. And the connection between the two of you was real, and to me- it’s inspiring, something special there.
BUT or AND- unless the two of you are okay with keeping it LD forevermore- in-person reality is going to present challenges.
No, I didn’t mean you should have met her sooner. What I mean is that- REALLY living with her as man and wife, or man and partner- in an apartment, just you and her, day after day, night after night, month after month-
That’s a different ball game than LD + 3 days in- person that you actually spent with her.
And what I figure is that maybe the two of you are afraid ๐จ of making it real, as in living together
๐ค ๐ฑ ๐ ๐ ๐ก Anita
anitaParticipantOh, and about “bound to end”: the May- Nov “high” was bound to end because that high wasn’t yet tested by reality: you didn’t yet meet her in-person for the first time, no real movement toward living with her irl.
So, it was a high, like throwing a stone up in the air, it’s bound to come down (gravity)
anitaParticipantHow to soften the extremes..?
Well, do you see extremes in your thinking, like expecting to feel in- love every minute forever more, is that extreme thinking in your mind?
anitaParticipantAnd about black-and-white, all-or-nothing thinking, aka binary thinking- that was MY thinking for ages, so I am no stranger to it.
anitaParticipantRight, I remember now, the poem she sent you, and then the convo of moving.
Well, this means that the May-Nov relatively good time was bound to end.
The doubts you already had May-Nov (and being that your “brain does that a lot with everyone,”), were.. destined to multiply and intensify sooner than later, triggered by the poem and thoughts of moving.
I am stating the obvious (right above), because sometimes you see the past in black and white: all good < Nov and then.. all bad (even though there’s laughter and affection with her).
I wish you could balance your thinking, so it’s not.. well, distorted by black and white/ all or nothing thinking.
Maybe when you think an extreme, remind yourself of something that softens that extreme..?
anitaParticipantSo, it was a relatively good time, May- Nov. Not perfect but pretty good, just some moments imagining breakup, and then a short time before you were to meet her for the first time ( and move closer toward moving to Cyprus so to live with her), that was when those moments of doubt became a lot?
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