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anitaParticipantHey, dear Confused:
Thing is, you’re trying to figure things out logically, when logic is not something that connects with you, does it?
What you need is calm, not logic.
Calm, like giving yourself a break, a space to just breathe.
I’ve been trying to promote logic this whole time, but what you need.. you tell me, Confused. What is it that you need emotionally, now?..
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March 31, 2026 at 4:22 pm in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456502
anitaParticipantI am thrilled to get your replies, Peter and Alessađđ I’ll reply by tomorrow.
anitaParticipantB Back 2 u in a few hours (going to the taproom)
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anitaParticipantHey Confused:
Double posting đ I canât tell you whether you should restart it â thatâs something only a doctor or prescriber can guide you on. It could be helpful to reach out to the person who prescribed it and let him know whatâs going on.
* When someone stops a medication that affects mood or the nervous system (like escitalopram), the body often needs time to rebalance itself. That period of rebalancing is called adjustment, and it can feel like being disconnected, numb, foggy, etc. Maybe this is part of what you’re going through now.
Ten days is still very much within the time when your body can be adjusting.
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anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Had more time than anticipated đ
Confused, I hear you. The dog example is something we can understand with the thinking mind â itâs a conscious explanation.
But what youâre feeling right now isnât happening in the thinking mind at all. Itâs happening in the body.
When you say it âfeels like something else,â thatâs actually very accurate.
FA patterns â especially the numbness, the emptiness, the lack of love or sadness â come from a deeper, older place than logic. Theyâre not intellectual. Theyâre nervousâsystem reactions that were formed long before you had words for anything.
So even if the explanation makes sense, the felt experience can still feel foreign, heavy, or unreachable.
That doesnât mean youâre doing anything wrong. It means youâre in a shutdown state, not a thinking state.Shutdown is not a choice and itâs not a sign that you donât care. Itâs the body protecting itself when it feels overwhelmed.
And when youâre in that state, itâs almost impossible to âapply tools.â Not because you donât want to â but because your system is offline.
For now, the most important thing is to be gentle with yourself. Youâre not supposed to feel love or clarity or motivation when youâre in shutdown. Your only job in moments like this is to take things slowly and let your system settle.
Youâre not alone in this, and nothing you described is strange or wrong. Itâs a state â not who you are.
đż đ€ Anita
anitaParticipantI was wondering about you stopping the meds, Confused. Maybe it would have been better to increase the dosage for better effect than to quit it altogether. I’m in a bit of a rush now, I’ll write later, probably in a few- 5 hours from now. I hope that you feel better soon.
anitaParticipantDeveloping my thoughts in regard to craving and fearing closeness/love, best I understand it as it applies to me:
I imagine that as a child, I felt loving closeness with my mother. I am sure I did, although I don’t have a single memory of such.
What happened, what must have happened is comparable to let’s say, you feel very close to your dog who loves you, you pet him and he responds affectionately. But then, out of nowhere, he bites you and you bleed, and it happens repeatedly.
You stop petting him because you’re afraid of another bite. And over time, you forget there was ever affection and closeness, and you figure you’re safer away from the dog, away from closeness.
Because in your mind, closeness gets associated with being bitten.
And then, this association appears with other people- so you stay away (avoidant), or if you get close (because, being human,you crave closeness), you enjoy it for a little while, but then you remember the biting ( even without being aware of the memory) and you get scared and withdraw ( fearful-avoidant)
So, it’s a tug of war between needing closeness-love (a human.. and Canine need) and getting scared of another bite.
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anitaParticipantWell, Confused: I like everything I read about her teaching (summary above). Thank you for introducing her to me. In future communications with FA attachment people, I will recommend her đ
In regard to your most recent post of less than 2 hours ago: “How can we not ‘crave’ the loving treatment and we shutdown”?-
According to Paulien Timmer (right above), we, FA people- do crave loving treatment.
And we are afraid of it.
The two things happening back and forth.
In yet other words, it’s not one (craving love) or the other (fearing love).
It’s both.
That’s the “internal conflict” she talks about.
đĄ Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Confused:
Paulien Timmer is a Dutch relationship and attachmentâstyle educator (She is not a psychologist or therapist). She positions herself as a Fearful Avoidant (FA) attachment expert and emphasizes that she healed her own FA attachment style and now teaches others how to do the same.
She runs the platform Healing the Fearful Avoidant and a YouTube channel, as well as a Dutch program called âRust in de Liefdeâ (âCalm in Loveâ), which helps people who constantly doubt their feelings. She calls herself a âtwijfelcoachâ (doubt coach).
Paulien Timmer consistently teaches that FA attachment develops in childhood, and she talks about this connection in almost all of her content.
She repeatedly emphasizes that FA patterns come from inconsistent caregiving, emotional unpredictability, fear mixed with love, caregivers who were sometimes safe and sometimes frightening, and environments where the child couldnât rely on anyone consistently.
She describes FA attachment as a childhood survival strategy that becomes an adult relationship pattern.
According to her teaching the FA Push comes from fear of being hurt, rejected, or overwhelmed, and the Pull comes from longing for closeness and connection. She explains that this internal conflict is rooted in childhood experiences where closeness felt unsafe and necessary at the same time.
Across her videos and programs, she mentions childhood experiences like being parentified, being emotionally responsible for a parent, chaotic or unstable environments, and caregivers who were loving one moment and frightening the next.
She frames FA as the result of a child learning: âI want closeness, but closeness is dangerous.â
She teaches that healing FA requires revisiting childhood patterns, understanding childhood triggers, healing emotional wounds from early life, and building internal safety.
She often says that FA healing is about giving yourself the safety you didnât consistently receive as a child.
She doesnât just describe FA patterns â she gives stepâbyâstep things people can do to heal them:
1. Regulate your nervous system first â before doing anything else: grounding (looking around the room slowly, placing a hand on the chest, naming sensations, pausing before reacting), breathing (long exhales). She emphasizes that you cannot make good relational decisions from a dysregulated state.
2. Name the FA pattern in the moment- She teaches people to label whatâs happening: âThis is my fear talking.â, âThis is my push response.â, âThis is my shutdown.â, âThis is my fear of hurting someone.â
Naming the pattern reduces shame and gives you a sense of choice.
3. Slow down decisions â especially big ones- FA people often panic and want to break up, run, withdraw, shut down, and/ or make a drastic choice.
She teaches the opposite: Slow everything down. Do not make decisions from fear. Wait until your body is calm.
This is one of her most repeated pieces of advice.
4. Share your internal experience in small, honest pieces- She encourages FA individuals to practice gentle, simple communication like: âIâm feeling overwhelmed.â, âI need a moment to calm down.â, âIâm scared, but I care about you.â, âIâm having a push response.â
Not dramatic confessions â just small, steady truths.
5. Repair after a shutdown or pushâaway- She teaches that FA healing requires learning to come back after withdrawing. Her concrete steps: Regulate. Reflect. Return. Share a small truth. Reconnect slowly. This builds trust and reduces the partnerâs fear.
6. Work on childhood wounds â but gently- She talks a lot about inner child work, reâparenting, understanding the original source of fear, and giving yourself the safety you didnât get.
But she emphasizes doing this slowly, not diving into trauma all at once.
7. Build internal safety- FA people often donât feel safe inside themselves. She teaches practices like selfâsoothing, selfâvalidation, emotional containment, and learning to sit with discomfort.
This reduces the urge to run or shut down.
8. Practice receiving love- This is a big one in her work. FA individuals often distrust affection, feel overwhelmed by closeness, and fear disappointing their partner. She teaches small steps like letting someone hug you, accepting a compliment, allowing closeness for a few seconds longer, noticing when you want to pull away. These microâmoments build tolerance for intimacy.
9. Stop interpreting anxiety as âlack of feelingsâ- This is one of her most important teachings.
She says FA people often mistake fear, overwhelm, shutdown, and numbness âŠfor âI donât love themâ or âI should leave.â
She teaches that numbness is a protective response, not a truth.
10. Take relationships slowly and steadily- She encourages pacing, boundaries, gradual intimacy, consistent communication, and avoiding extremes.
FA healing is about consistency, not intensity.
* I need to give the computer away, will post again using my phone.
Anita
anitaParticipantSoon to disappear into this Mon đ here, will be back tomorrow đ, Confused.
anitaParticipantOh, if I could only un-weird things for you, I would đ
So, what is it exactly that seems very weird to you?
anitaParticipantI never thought of telling you about this, SereneWolf, but I thought you might get a kick out of it: in Feb 2025, I was heavily involved in a local winery đ·, here, U.S. I worked there every day for more than 4 years.
Anyway, on Feb, it was the birthday of one of the regulars there, so I decided to congratulate him for his birthday on the big sign in front of the winery. I wanted to express my appreciation for his calm nature. It’s then that your screen name SERENE WOLF đș came to mind, so that’s what I put on the sign: “Happy Birthday, (his name), Serene Wolf”, and that was on the sign for a week. I took photos đž of it.
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anitaParticipantHey Confused:
I will check her out tomorrow!
That you were never treated so lovingly before- explains to me why the overwhelm and shutdown happened.. too much of a good thing!
I mean, if you grow up with too little of a good thing (love, consistency) and too much of a bad thing (violence, chaos), you adjust to it best you can.
Makes sense?
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March 30, 2026 at 7:18 pm in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456466
anitaParticipant* On purpose
anitaParticipantHey đ Confused:
I will look up Paulin Timmer tomorrow when I have the use of a đ„
That feeling that something is missing or is not enough is a classic symptom of OCD. I am beginning to think that you may have what is called “pure OCD”, meaning the compulsions are mental (checing and re- checking what you’re feeling).
I am far from being a doctor or a professional in mental health, but maybe it’ll help you to look up “pure OCD”. There are online communities of the pure-ocd-ed and you might find commonality there, even answers.
From all that you shared over the last few months, she sounds like a lovely young woman who really likes đ you!
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