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anitaParticipantI hope ๐ Confused & wild animals are ๐ด ๐ค this too early Sun morning in Greece; getting late here, WA, USA.
Good ๐, ๐ Anita
anitaParticipantDouble posting, ha- ha.
Yes, consider a different relationship with those.. wild animals. They don’t listen to “logic/ values”- ..
Your own “wild animals”, ๐ (that emoji just showed up as I typed)-
Tell me about them. If you give them a voice, what do they say (or bark, or howl)?
๐ฟ๐ Anita
anitaParticipantClose to 9 pm here, I scrolled up and down, forgetting to do so on the RIGHT side of the phone ๐ฑ screen, so accidently flagged your earlier post for inappropriate content ๐
anitaParticipantWhat an original question, Confused: “Why would they be wilding”?
Maybe the more you try to control them, the wilder they get?
Like, the more you self-doubt them, the angrier they get?
๐ ๐ก ๐ฟ … ๐ Anita
anitaParticipantEarly, early Sun ๐, Confused (9 hours ahead of me):
Cyprus.. Germany ๐ฉ๐ช
Hmm.. How ๐ค can this happen? Well, let me see.. think of emotions like wild animals, sometimes behaving, other times out of your control, W.I.L.D.
๐ค ๐๐ฎ Anita
anitaParticipant* and it’s NOT wonderful anymore
anitaParticipant“Trembling inside”- that’s Confused in Love?
Riding a ๐ต with her in the back?
I am curious, you live in Greece, where does she live?
(Remember, you don’t have to answer any of my questions, just curious)
“Idk what’s ‘lacking’, perhaps my Initial excitement” – makes me think of person taking a drug that makes them feel WONDERFUL, so they take more, and it’s wonderful anymore. So, they take more and then get sick (well, it happened to me)
๐ต ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ Anita
anitaParticipantStrange, I have had this memory for half a decade+, that she told me: “You are one big zero”+. There was a sense of distress in that memory. But I didn’t remember HURT, the raw emotional devastation that her message carried.
It was muted all these years, the memory of hurt (because of self- protective dissociation/ emotional numbing).
But this evening, I remembered how much it really hurt right then and there. I remembered being there.
It was devastating for a lifetime.
I see the little girl that I was, the adolescent, then the teenager and onwards, hearing this message.
I see ๐ now, feel now- just enough of how it felt back then to know that.. I was really there, it really happened.
The dissociation, self-fregmentation, self-doubt, muting ๐- that was the brain protecting itself.
My goodness.. I feel sorry for her (the younger me), poor ๐ข baby, oh..
There’s been this GAP within me because of the ways my brain ๐ง tried to protect me.
I now feel more connected than ever to.. me. The words of a ๐ต come to mind: “It’s me in the corner, it’s me in the…”- don’t remember the words right now, so, I’ll come up with my own:
It’s me in the corner, it’s me forgotten.
It’s me here, now, in the center. Ah.. here I am. Here.
๐=> ๐ต๐ต๐ต Anita
anitaParticipantThank you. Confused. I liked my analogies myself โบ๏ธ
You mentioned “doubts” and then “fear”. I think the two go together like ๐ซs and ๐ฅs (it’s a saying).
My observation, 3 months and 2 days of daily communication with you, is that you love her. That’s crystal ๐ฎ clear to me (another saying, just in case you’re not familiar with ๐)
Maybe you’re fearful because you love her so much..?
๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฅ Anita
anitaParticipantHey ๐ Confused:
You sure feel deeply for her even when you feel hollow.
Don’t let the hollow-feeling fool you. There’s a lot of feelings in that hollow.. or ๐ง in the ๐ง, or sun ๐ in that dark.
๐๐ง๐ง๐ Anita
anitaParticipantCopilot, Krishnamurtiโstyle Response to my two posts above:
“Anita, you say you are relaxing the analytical mind, letting go of the compulsion to interpret, to intrude, to explain. Do you see what is happening there? The very movement that once tried to understand life through thought is now being observed…
“You speak of not feeling guilty for the suffering of others. That is not indifference; it is the ending of a false responsibility. Compassion is not the burden of carrying anotherโs pain. Compassion is seeing clearly, without the distortion of guilt or the vanity of wanting to fix.
“You ask whether this is change. But who is the one asking? The โyouโ that analyzed, that intruded, that felt responsible โ is that not already dissolving? When the old movement ends, something new is already there. Not as an achievement, not as growth, but as the natural flowering of awareness.
“Let the question go. In the very letting go, the answer reveals itself.โ
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Confused ๐
I think that it can only help (and not at all hurt) if you relax as much as you can, be as patient as you can be and take your side in all this, meaning practice empathy for yourself, Empathy 4 Confused ๐ซถ
โจ ๐ผ ๐ซ Anita
anitaParticipantWhatever comes to mind this Friday night (8:25 ๐ pm here)-
I am not the zero or the “big zero” she (my mother) said I was.
And for mother having said so, she had given away her mother-card. She invalidated her position as mother.
She is not Mother. I never had a mother.
And that’s the bitter truth, and the saying goodbye- goodbye to my wish for a mother in her,the the person who birthed me.
Goodbye stranger
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anitaParticipantHey ๐ Dear Confused:
Well, if it gave you some clarity on your thoughts, that’s a positive.
Yet, you get to decide on meds vs no meds.
Personally, I think that psychotherapy- when it’s of quality- is way preferable to taking prescribed drugs (aka meds).
But sometimes, in some contexts, meds save lives.
I want the best for you, Confused.
๐’or-not. โ๏ธ โฎ๏ธ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
As I just looked at the message I sent last night (at 10 pm my time), it landed on me how heavy the message “you are a big zero”, or “one big zero” (Yes, it was the latter. She added “big” to the zero so to make it the.. biggest possible zero).
It registers now, how deeply hurtful that message was. I mean, it cut โ๏ธ deep, so very deep. Naturally, I dissociated from that depth of injury. So now, it feels almost new.
I remember it like it was yesterday, her saying those words (message repeated, not just one time, far from being one time).
I can’t imagine saying those words/ sending that message to anyone.
No wonder I grew “in” with a terribly low self-esteem and not thinking of myself as anything of any positive value.
Last night, I read about an Iranial missile hitting the town where I lived, where she still lives alone. I wasn’t happy or pleased about the hit, but I wasn’t any more devastated than if it hit elsewhere
I think it’s only last night that I further separated from her emotionally, as in no longer being tied to her in what is called “trauma bonding. When the person you need to protect you (a mother) is also the one who hurts you..
The more she hurt me, the more.. I needed her to protect me, hence the draw/ the continuation of a bond way beyond its normal expiration date (teenage/ early adult).
I didn’t understand this before- not on a lived-experience level: that the more she hurt me, the more I was tied to her for protection.
Thank you for your kind words regarding the bond between me and Bogart. I love it that he feels safe with me, that he expects safety. No trauma bond.
Good to read the update in regard to your cat ๐ and the adjustments everyone is making.
Yes, unfortunately, your brother may have been a target of projection ๐
Yes, you did your best to protect your brother, every day, day ๐ after day and night after night ๐ That counts!
You were a good sister, you did your very best ๐
Yes, indeed, this is a wild area. For years, I’ve been walking ๐ถโโ๏ธ the 4.5 km loop around here, knowing (and sometime seeing coyotes and bears from a short distance) that mountain lions ๐ฆ are to my right or left, closr, but I figured that they have plenty of ๐ ๐ and ๐ฆ ๐ฆ to chase after, so they’re not likely to go after me. Now I walk with Bogart and therefore. I have nothing to worry about ๐)
Thank you for your empathy ๐ ๐ค and ๐ kindness. Truly, you’re The TB Empathy Expert (TBEE)!
๐ ๐ค ๐ ๐ฆ ๐ ๐ฆ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ค Anita
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