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December 26, 2024 at 8:48 am in reply to: The phenomenon of “helping someone excessively can make them turn against you” #441039anitaParticipant
Dear Arden:
I am now more equipped, thanks to John’s insight, to respond to your original post of Sept 15, 2023:
“I have seen from experience that when you help someone excessively, like helping them in a way that you’re putting more effort than them, this can make them turn against you… I’ve been getting help (actually I haven’t asked for this help)”-
– You acknowledged that receiving help, especially when it is excessive and unasked for, can create discomfort and even resentment. The scarcity principle suggests that help and support are often more appreciated and valued when they are less accessible or when the receiver has to put in effort to obtain them. In your case, your friend’s constant help felt less valuable because it was so readily available.
Also, you felt that your friend’s excessive help was disproportionate to your own efforts, creating a sense of imbalance. This imbalance made you feel uncomfortable and possibly resentful. This connects to the “Norm of Reciprocity” concept I mentioned yesterday, referring to the social expectation that people will respond to each other with similar levels of help and kindness.
Also, in your original post, you expressed a need for personal space and time to process your thoughts and feelings. The constant presence of your friend, despite being helpful, disturbed your sense of independence and autonomy. Personal space and time are valuable because they are often scarce commodities in busy lives. When someone else’s help invades this scarce personal space, it leads to feelings of discomfort and a desire to re-establish boundaries.
* As I was re-reading the first page of this thread, I felt very appreciative of your words (it was at a time when I returned to tiny buddha after six months of absence). You wrote, Sept 17, 2023: “Hey Anita, are you ‘Anita” Anita?… I never thought you would be back!… I am so surprised! I now felt like a little kid who’s caught eaten lots of chocolates since you’re back!… I still cannot comprehend how you can provide such insights to lots of people, the things you do, and how you do it, it’s like you’re studying the posts and then providing your perspective, which are so brilliant and helpful each time… it’s such a delight seeing/having a conversation with you again. All in all, I feel grateful to have met and contacted you here”- Wow! You were talking about me! Your words are still exciting for me to read 15 months later. Thank you, Arden for your heartwarming words and the big smile you brought to my face- again- this 2024 After-Christmas morning!
anita
December 26, 2024 at 8:12 am in reply to: The phenomenon of “helping someone excessively can make them turn against you” #441038anitaParticipantDear John:
“My suspicion, and it’s only a suspicion, is that people don’t fully appreciate what is given to them readily. They appreciate it more if they have to work (or ask) to get it. This is conclusion from what I’ve seen.”-
– This phenomenon can be related to the concept of scarcity in social psychology. When something is scarce, it often becomes more valuable and desirable; when people have to ask for help or put in effort to receive it, they perceive it as more valuable due to its scarcity.
This principle of scarcity is used in various fields, including economics (example: Limited edition products are often perceived as more valuable), marketing (example: sales and promotions with time limits or limited stock can create a sense of urgency, making customers more eager to purchase), and in social interactions where attention or affection from someone who is not easily available or constantly present often feels more valuable because it’s perceived as scarce (example: women who are dating are often more attracted to emotionally unavailable or emotionally reserved men than to men who are very attentive and eager).
When help is readily available and consistently given, it can be perceived as abundant (not at all scarce) and thus, less valuable. People tend to take it for granted, assuming that it will always be there. Conversely, if help is not easily accessible or requires effort to obtain (e.g., asking for it), it often feels more valuable because it is perceived as scarce.
For those who are consistently helpful, the lack of appreciation can be disheartening. Understanding the principle of scarcity can help realize that the undervaluation of their help is not a reflection of its true worth, but rather a psychological response to its availability.
Your observation, John, adds an important dimension to understanding why helpfulness sometimes go unappreciated: it’s not just about the frequency of help (leading to the habituation concept I mentioned yesterday), but also about the scarcity concept. Thank you for sharing this perspective.
anita
December 25, 2024 at 5:00 pm in reply to: The phenomenon of “helping someone excessively can make them turn against you” #441022anitaParticipantDear John: I appreciate it that you answered me. I would like to answer tomorrow morning.
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anitaParticipantThis is my sincere, genuine feeling for you this Christmas Day afternoon (here), Helcat: => ❤️ !
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anitaParticipant* And Merry Christmas, John (I wished you Merry Christmas earlier, on Peter’s thread).
anitaParticipantThank you, John!
anita
December 25, 2024 at 9:43 am in reply to: The phenomenon of “helping someone excessively can make them turn against you” #441014anitaParticipantDear John and Arden:
Thank you, John, for sharing your thoughtful observation. It’s indeed an interesting and somewhat puzzling phenomenon that you’ve highlighted, one that didn’t occur to me during my conversations with Arden.
It’s true that helpful people often go underappreciated, which can feel quite disheartening. I looked into this “strange… very odd” phenomenon (your words) because I want to understand what’s behind it.
The term Norm of Reciprocity refers to the social expectation that people will respond to each other with similar levels of help and kindness. However, when one person consistently helps others without receiving equivalent help in return, this norm breaks down, and it is often troubling to the one who is being helpful (people like Arden).
The term Habituation is a psychological phenomenon where repeated exposure to a stimulus leads to a decrease in response. In this context, the stimulus is the help offered by a helpful person. At first, the one helped notices and appreciates the help, but over time of repeated exposure to being helped, the one helped stops noticing it- just as people who hear a new sound notice it, but when a sound is repeated (background noise), people become used to it and stop noticing it.
There is a not widely known term- Helper’s Paradox- which describes the paradoxical situation where the more someone helps, the less they are appreciated, leading to feelings of underappreciation and resentment for the helper. Another term- Giver fatigue- it happens when a person who frequently helps others begins to feel emotionally drained and unappreciated, leading to burnout and a decreased willingness to help in the future.
Does this clarify things for you, John? Arden?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Rising Flower:
I hope that you are well and that I will be reading from you again. I want to respond to you more positively and empathetically this morning, a month and a day after my last post to you (and assuming the issues you shared about have not yet been resolved, at least not completely):
Navigating the complexities of an arranged marriage, falling for someone else, and dealing with the emotional fallout is an huge burden. Your initial marriage to H, a kind and caring person, and the subsequent entanglement with L, who manipulated your emotions, created a situation filled with conflict and guilt.
The ongoing manipulation and blame from L, despite his marriage to another woman, have understandably caused more emotional turmoil. It’s clear that L’s behavior—his dishonesty, anger issues, and neglect—has significantly impacted your well-being.
Despite recognizing the unhealthy nature of your relationship with L and your own emotional maturity, it’s natural to struggle with deep, complex feelings. Your accidental pregnancy and miscarriage add another layer of emotional pain. It’s important to acknowledge the strength it takes to navigate these challenges and continue seeking healing, and that it’s okay to feel conflicted and to struggle with detaching from someone who has been a significant part of your life for over a decade.
I think that it is the intense emotional roller coaster (highs and lows) of love, hope, disappointment, and pain made it very difficult for you to establish clear boundaries and detach from L: when things are going well, the feelings of joy, love, and connection with L are (I imagine) incredibly intense. These positive emotions create strong, happy memories that overshadow the negative experiences. During the highs, L likely provides affection and validation, which makes you feel valued and loved, reinforcing your attachment to him.
The lows involve conflict, mistreatment, and emotional pain. These experiences are also intense but on the opposite end of the emotional spectrum. The highs and lows create an unpredictable pattern of reinforcement. This is a powerful psychological mechanism where occasional rewards (emotional highs) make the individual crave more, despite the presence of negative experiences (lows).
This pattern is similar to gambling or other addictive behaviors, where the occasional win (positive interaction) keeps the person engaged and hoping for more.
This cycle of highs and lows can lead to trauma bonding, where the individual becomes emotionally dependent on the person causing the pain. The rare moments of affection and kindness are seen as relief from the pain, making them more potent.
I hope that further understanding the addictive power of emotional cycles of high and lows, such as the one you are experiencing (if you still do), as well as the concept of trauma bonding are, or will be helpful to you. Please continue to prioritize your well-being and seek support from therapy and trusted individuals. Your journey is unique, and your emotions are valid. Healing is a gradual process, and it’s okay to take the time you need.
Wishing you strength and clarity as you continue to navigate this complex journey!
anita
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December 25, 2024 at 7:33 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #441003anitaParticipantM e R r Y C h R i S t M a S R o B i 🎄🎅 ✨❄️ 🎁 😊 !
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December 25, 2024 at 7:29 am in reply to: Kicked out of the house and cut off from all my family in college – now what? #441002anitaParticipantI hope you and your family are doing well this Christmas day, Lulu 🎄❄️
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December 25, 2024 at 7:25 am in reply to: The phenomenon of “helping someone excessively can make them turn against you” #441001anitaParticipantM e R r Y C h R i S t M a S A r D e N 🎄🎅 ✨❄️ 🎁 😊 !
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