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anitaParticipantPeace back to you, Dear James. I already miss you, but Nihilism is not for me. It’s.. what’s the word.. “the devil”, using your word (in another context).
No way can I convince you otherwise, I won’t even try. I just don’t want to be any part of Nihilism. Not even close to it.
Nihilism is the devil way- more.. way more than the ego.
But like I said, no way do I think I have a chance to get my point across to you. I don’t even care of being “right”, it’s just that Nihilism is something I want nothing to do with.
I’ll miss you.. The potential of the meeting of the minds.
(sad face emojis)
anitaParticipantHello again and again.. Confused đ:
“How do you make it known to yourself?”- By knowing I didn’t deserve my mother’s abuse/ non-love. That she didn’t even SEE me, let alone, evaluate me. Her judgment is peeled off of me, and what’s left is a good little girl dormant for half a century.
“I never thought to give my motherâs words importance”- that must have been after her words were already absorbed, taking hold.. Maybe later when you were a teenager, you rebelled, fought back. But the young boy you were, like any child, just absorbs, no defenses.
đ€ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
“Yes, a narcissistic person would think in those terms: there is no way they can be bad, under no conditions. Even if they abuse you, they are right, you are wrong. They are the victim, you are the perpetrator…
“Right, she was accusing you for being born prematurely, for her getting duct infection.. not thinking for a second that perhaps the stress which youâve experienced in utero, perhaps even the stress and trauma of her bulimia (or anorexia) could have contributed to any of those problems…
“Yes, the covert narcissist narrative: they are the greatest victim, and if you dare to question it, youâre the perpetrator..
“Itâs good that youâre seeing those things so clearly now, Anita. You really can see through the lies of this narrative, the lies that your mother conditioned you with…
“Right.. thatâs also true for a narcissist: because as much as they need sympathy and people agreeing with them, they need to remain alone on the pedestal, as the single greatest victim. You cannot be ‘one’ with a narcissistic mother, because she needs to one-up you, basically.. She needs to always feel better than you.”- This never occurred to me, Tee, before I read your input right here, on this Christmas Eve 2025.
She needed to be alone on her own pedestal. She needed to be the Good one, the only good-one, which means I had to be off her pedestal like everyone else, “Bad”.
“Yes! Growing up with a narcissistic mother leaves us with toxic shame. The feeling that we are bad at our core, that something is terribly wrong with us. But now youâre seeing it clearly: that even if you make a mistake, you are not bad. Your identity is not bad. You are a good person who sometimes make mistakes, like we all do. Thatâs what being human means.”-
Toxic shame= I’m bad. That’s been her legacy in my life: Anita Bad. And every mistake or perceived mistake, or “wrong” thought or feeling was proof of my alleged badness.
“I am happy youâve freed yourself (or are working on freeing yourself) from the conditioned thinking that you are bad and your mother is good. The more you practice and affirm the truth of who you are, the better it will get. Youâre doing a monumental job reversing that old programming, and I am really happy for you!”- Thank you, Tee đđ.
Mothers have so much POWER over their daughters and too many are callous, if not outrightly abusive. I am sorry that your mother has been one of those, so consistent and relentless in her messages to you.
You too are and have been doing a monumental job reversing the old programming, and having done this work yourself, you’re able to help me.
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anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you for the back brace advice. My lower back is still sore but since I no longer plan to pick Bogart up, I am hoping the soreness will heal with more time.
Thinking about you this Christmas Day (your time). Still Christmas Eve here. Hoping your Christmas Day is pleasant and that you’re not too busy and can relax.
đ€Anita
anitaParticipantHello Confused:
“Well, how do we do that since we havenât been taught when we were kids? I think thatâs a big issue for me.”-
It’s difficult to love a person you don’t like, isn’t it? On the other hand, it may be easy to love someone you like.
My mother’s words and behaviors sent me the message that she didn’t like me, that she was far from approving of me. For as long as I gave her the authority to determine my (non) worth, I neither liked nor loved myself.
Does this resonate with you?
“If I do that (hugging yourself), it feels strange/cringe and fake in a way. Like myself doesnât believe me, it feels like something unknown to me.”- Are you willing to make it KNOWN for yourself, to take that leap of faith yourself.. or are you waiting for someone else (such as a romantic interest) to make that leap for you?
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anitaParticipantDear James/ Everyone:
James, Dec 24: “There is no life after physical death… The core of the so called soul is nothingness… it comes to surrendering to non experience or nothingness, things will be change.”-
You’re basically saying:
1. When the body dies, thatâs it- there is no life after death, no continuation of the self, no consciousness that survives.
2. The âsoulâ is not a real thing- the core of a person is nothingness, not an eternal essence. Before birth = nothing After death = nothing.
You’re basically telling people: ‘Donât fool yourself with comforting stories (like NDEs). When the brain dies, there is no awareness left. Prepare yourself for that truth.’
What could possibly be the benefit is this message, I ask myself. According to you: to not be shocked, terrified and overwhelmed later on when one realizes that thereâs no afterlife of any kind, no soul or consciousness that continues, no meaning.
Preparing now = reducing the shock later. Seeing âthe nothingâ early prevents disappointment later.
In your view: better to know now than later.
All this fits perfectly with the nihilistic worldview. This is NOT nonâduality
Nonâduality says: the personal self dissolves but awareness remains
James says: the personal self dissolves and awareness also ends.
Nihilism â the view that life has no inherent meaning, purpose, or value
Nonâduality â the view that separation is an illusion and everything is one unified reality
I read that Nihilism can help people, but only for a while. Sometimes nihilism is the first moment someone realizes: ‘I donât have to believe everything I was taught.’, and ‘I can question everything.’ That can actually be freeing. It clears away old beliefs that donât fit anymore. But nihilism stops being helpful when someone treats it like the final truth. If you stay in it too long, it can turn into: apathy, hopelessness, feeling like nothing matters
Itâs like tearing down an old house: useful if the house is falling apart. Not useful if you try to live in the rubble.
For a lot of people, nihilism is a transition â a phase you pass through on the way to something deeper. Itâs the moment when your old worldview collapses, but the new one hasnât formed yet.
Thatâs why nihilism often shows up right before people discover ideas like nonâduality, spirituality, or a more grounded sense of meaning.
So, nihilism can help â but mostly as a step, not a destination.
Q: When someone rejects: religion, morality, purpose, cosmic meaning, spiritual ideas, objective values (nihilism).. whatâs left?
A: Just the egoâs experience. So, the ego becomes the center of the universe by default â because everything else has been stripped away.
Nonâduality flips the whole thing: the ego is not the center. The ego is not the only thing that exists. The ego is not the source of reality Instead, it says: the ego is just a temporary appearance in a larger field of awareness. The ego is just one wave in that ocean
I, Anita, am just that, one wave in the ocean, temporary, never separate from the ocean. I want to be more and more the ocean.
I will do my best to be a humble wave in the ocean. Thank you for helping me in this regard, James. It’s just that I don’t want to engage in nihilism thought, my personal choice. So, goodbye James. I will no longer post in your threads. I wish you well.
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anitaParticipantHey Confused: I’ll reply in a few hors.
anitaParticipantThank you for your message, Tee, I’ll reply later!
anitaParticipantDear James:
This morning, I feel stupid (and that’s okay). ALL THIS TIME, I thought you were speaking from a NonâDuality perspective, but now I see that you used the language of NON-DUALITY, but your actual view is NIHILISM.
Nihilism says thereâs nothing underneath or beyond the personal self. Nonâduality says the personal self isnât ultimately real, but instead of ânothing,â it points to an impersonal awareness or consciousness that everything arises from and returns to, saying that individual people are like waves in the ocean, waves arise (born) and fall (die) but the ocean (universal, non-personal consciousness) remains.
You say: there is no ocean. There is Nothing.
Non-duality says: the personal self is not ultimately real, but what remains is awareness (the ocean), not Nothing. Death dissolves the person (the wave), but it does not dissolve consciousness (ocean). There is no ‘void’ to fear after death.
In your most recent post, James, you shared: “I lived in darkness and silence for 1 year and meditated around 8 to 10 hours per day.”-
This is an extreme, highly unusual kind of sensory deprivation and social isolation, James. That kind of experience can absolutely reshape someoneâs worldview, but the direction it takes depends on the person, so I read:
Meditation doesnât automatically produce peace or enlightenment. It amplifies whatever is already inside the person. So, if you were already leaning toward nihilism, then the 1-year sensory deprivation and isolation could have deepened and solidified your nihilism.
You believe life has no builtâin meaning. My goodness, James, this is NOT TRUE. But we’ll have to agree to disagree (at least, this is my intention).
I believe that there is a consciousness beyond individual death. You’re giving way TOO MUCH importance to the Ego when you claim, basically- that Nothing Else Exists (NEE, if you will, lol)
Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
“I genuinely have no clue what loving myself means”- When a child grows up without love, the child figures he’s not worthy of what he needs so desperately.
You shared earlier: “The relationship with my mother was very chaotic, violence and arguing constantly, throwing some awkward affection here and there, then rinse and repeat”- The affection in-between felt awkward.. meaning you didn’t trust it to last, did you?
If you were fortunate enough to grow up in a calm, peaceful, and stable environment; if instead of chaos, you knew predictability, instead of violence- safety, instead of constant arguing- healthy communication, then you would have mirrored the love you’d had receive and naturally (without necessarily thinking it) you would have loved yourself.
You shared earlier in regard to your romantic interest: “What Iâm feeling when we talk is like I’m talking to a stranger, feeling cold and apathetic. Like my mind erased her in a way, or she has done something bad to me”- It may be that you projected the mental image of your mother into her (without realizing it) and re-experienced seeing your mother as a stranger.
“I can’t recall loving myself, ever.”- If you close your eyes, give yourself a hug and say to yourself “I love you”, how does it feel?
đ€ Anita
anitaParticipantI will reply most attentively tomorrow, Confused (Clear sooner than later), in about 10-12 hours from now.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
“It makes my heart happy to hear you call me a friend”-
Definitely my friend, Alessa, no doubt in my mind about it.
Thank you for being my friend, Alessa! (many thank you emojis I’m too tired to summon right mow)
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I just lost the post I thought I just submitted to you.. (sad)
Bogart threw up in the car this very evening for the 3rd time in the last 5 days (disgusting throw-up emoji).
I did hurt my lower back trying to pick him up on a few occasions (no more!), took anti-inflammatories every 4 hours yesterday. Also, had sciatica pain that kept me up the night before last.
He’s quiet now, lovable and adorable.. I love him.
Last night, lying awake, I prayed for you, Tee. I imagined a white hallo melting the pain in your spine and in your knees.. melting it into non-existence.
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anitaParticipantHey Confused:
“But canât we ‘choose’ to love someone? Isnât that whatâs supposed to be done in relationships?”-
Yes, this is what’s supposed to be done in relationship with oneself.
This is part of my daily mantra: to choose to love myself. To put myself (reasonably, ethically) ahead of anyone/ everyone else. To finally give myself a break, to finally Rest in Love.. for myself.
What would choosing to love yourself mean to you, Confused?
Anita
anitaParticipantHello again, Confused:
“I feel like a really bad person and a fraud..”- These two words describe EXACTLY how I felt for way, way too long. It’s not a good feeling, to say the least.
“Right now my romantic feelings are ‘off’ for anyone.”- Accept it that they’re off. Let them be off. Trying to pressure them into an “on” will only serve to keep them off longer.
“I think what returned first is the lust, love might take a while.”- lust is more physical/ less emotional than love.
“I felt ‘pressured’.. I canât really tell if I have legitimately fallen out of love or I am still numb in that department. I hope itâs the latter”- Allow yourself the freedom and privilege to feel whatever you’re feeling. Feelings don’t react well to being judged! you are allowed to fall out of love, really! You are allowed to go numb. Let yourself be đ
“You are very spot on with all the things that you said. This is indeed how I grew up and calmness equaled distance between my parents (because if they werenât fighting each other, they were calm, which meant either distant or that a fight would break out soon, even with me)”- The Quiet before the Storm.
“I did learn subconsciously that chaos/intensity=feelings, possibly love even and at times within my relationships Iâve felt like I crave some light ‘drama’ to feel ‘alive'”- when depressed, a jolt of drama/ excitement is refreshing, a break from the monotony of depression.
“I definitely crave intense feelings, infatuation and novelty. I feel like my life is meaningless without them and I am depressed (like now).”- A depressed person definitely crave for a break, for something different, something opposite (JOY)
“I think I am drawn to fixing others.”- so that they will fix you in return?
“I think I didnât care about fixing my mother, but I was the one she was leaning on while confessing her issues with my father, relationship things and dislikes, to which I would only respond ‘just break up’ because that was the only thing making sense to me at the age of 11.”- Role Reversal: the kid trying to help/ fix/ support the parent.
“She was like that to me too, but since I am a male, I would fight back and things would escalate pretty badly, especially after my body started developing and I was able to overpower her.”- My goodness, this would be traumatic for any child, male or female.
“My mother also had Tourette syndrome, what a coincidence! I also dreamt of being loved and finding romance, since I was a pretty shy kid with no experience in girls until the age of 20.”- did she have lots of motor tics? Vocal tics?
I was shy too.. Still am in some ways.
“I would commit illegal activities… Maybe I was searching for dopamine hits or a place to belong to.”- A depressed person needs a break, well, repeating breaks, excitement. I relate!
“Yeah she had* (she passed 10 years ago). Itâs a hell of a coincidence that those things align! The details were there for me too, sadly. I don’t blame them though, no one knows how to be a parent when u are at it for the first time in your life.”-
But, Confused, what if their aim was not to parent.. but to.. nothing more than to relieve themselves from their own distress using what was in front of them: their children, those dependent on them, those not protected by anyone..?
Anita
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