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anitaParticipantDear Sad 😢 Confused:
I hope that you forgive yourself for the “dumb lie” and that she forgives herself for calling you names.
We all make mistakes.. I made a few today.
Best we can do is learn from our mistakes and not repeat the same mistake in the future, under similar circumstances.
“… I was lying to her face repeatedly with such ease”- I bet it wasn’t ease, but shutdown.
I’ll continue next using the computer.
Anita
August 15, 2026 at 6:05 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460376
anitaParticipantMy post from earlier:
Good Saturday Morning, Nea:
I want to start by appreciating the clarity, maturity, and emotional insight you bring into these conversations. You think deeply, you integrate new ideas thoughtfully, and you’re able to look at painful dynamics with honesty rather than defensiveness. That level of reflection is rare, and I value it.
“I’ve seen him put so much energy into friendships. Many of those friendships eventually end after some conflict or behaviour, and then new ones take their place… I even saw something similar with my husband. Their relationship felt very different in the earlier years, but the dynamic changed significantly over time, especially once work became involved… they once had a genuinely close relationship”-
My understanding: his relationships can last only as long as the other person continues to reinforce or mirror his preferred identity: central, respected, admired and unchallenged. This is why early friendships feel warm and invested, and why his early relationship with your husband felt close.
He feels warm emotion, but it comes from ego gratification. It is warmth rooted in how he feels about himself, not in how he feels about the other person.
His internal sense of self is very fragile, a low tolerance for shame, or for being wrong. He cannot tolerate equality, disagreement, accountability, or emotional complexity.
The moment a relationship requires genuine empathy, shared responsibility, or the ability to repair conflict, his emotional structure collapses. He becomes defensive, volatile, violent, or blaming, and the relationship deteriorates or ends.
When the other person stops admiring him, disagrees with him, or no longer serves his image, the relationship deteriorates and is replaced with a new one.
The same dynamic explains the shift with your husband: the early closeness felt real to your husband, but for your father it was conditional— based on admiration, harmony, and being seen as central or respected. Once work entered the picture, introducing hierarchy, responsibility, and the possibility of criticism, your father’s strategic restraint collapsed, and he reacted the ways he did.
His affection depends on the other person mirroring him, not challenging him, admiring him, keeping him comfortable, and reinforcing his preferred identity. Once any of these conditions change, the affection collapses.
Anita
August 15, 2026 at 5:44 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460375
anitaParticipantHi Nea (at the computer):
I wanted to clarify something from my earlier message, because I don’t want to add any extra anxiety to what you’re already carrying. When doctors talk about stress in pregnancy, they’re not talking about normal worry, crying, or having hard days — all of that is completely safe. What they pay attention to is long‑term, elevated stress that goes on for weeks or months, because stress hormones like cortisol can cross the placenta.
When that happens over a long period, it can make babies a little more sensitive or fussier at first or affect sleep patterns in the early months. These effects are mild, not dangerous, and not permanent (so I’m reading) — babies are incredibly resilient, and they grow right through it with a calm environment and loving care.
I’m sharing this because I realized my last message might have sounded heavier than I intended. You deserve as much rest, steadiness, and emotional protection as possible while you’re carrying your little one. None of this means you’re harming your baby — it simply means that anything that helps you feel safer and less overwhelmed is also good for the baby. I hope you can find even small pockets of calm in the middle of everything you’re navigating.
🌿Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
“But what type of thing could have happened to her in the past and got triggered?… I don’t remember her ever telling me that someone lied to her in the past”-
Copilot: “A big reaction to a small lie often comes from old childhood wounds, even if she never told Confused about a specific betrayal. For example, she may have grown up with a parent who said one thing and did another…
“A child depends on a parent to make the world predictable. If the parent says, ‘I’ll be there,’ but doesn’t show up… or promises, ‘I won’t get angry,’ but then explodes… the child’s nervous system learns that words can’t be relied on. Even small mismatches — a tiny lie, a changed story, a detail that doesn’t line up — start to feel like the beginning of something unsafe.
“The child doesn’t learn this intellectually; the body learns it. So, in adulthood, when someone she cares about says something that doesn’t match their behavior, even in a small way, her nervous system reacts as if she’s back in that childhood moment of being blindsided. That’s why a tiny inconsistency now can trigger a huge emotional response: it’s not about the present lie; it’s about the old pattern her body remembers.”
The above is only an example of a possibility in general terms, Is it a possibility in her case?
🤔 Anita
August 15, 2026 at 3:11 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460372
anitaParticipantAlso, a pregnant woman’s ongoing, elevated tress level can harm the unborn baby. I think that this is well documented medically.
This didn’t even cross my mind until just now.
Anita
August 15, 2026 at 2:58 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460371
anitaParticipantHi Nea:
I’m looking forward to replying further this evening, but for now, I want to say that you’re dealing with a lot, emotionally, while heavily pregnant, and your physi al and mental health are most important.
wish you could take a few days away from your father’s house, or somehow take a break while still living there. Maybe make a few rules for yourself to follow, like no longer talking about your father with your husband, and exactly how you behave around your father.
Also, the serenity prayer comes to mind; God, grant me the serenity to accept the things zi cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Anita
anitaParticipantB Back 2 U in a few hours, Confused 🙂
August 15, 2026 at 11:50 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460367
anitaParticipantGood almost- noon time, Nea:
I was in an hours-long process of answering your last 2 posts when I had to get off the computer, and here I am on the phone.
I’ll complete that post when I’m back to the computer, but for now, summarizing what I wrote there in the simplest language:
Your father and my mother are struggling people, so fragile inside that they can’t endure any amount of criticism, challenge or shame.
The feeling of shame is uncomfortable for everyone, but for them- any bit of it is intolerable.
So, I understand the inner working and empathize with them. At the same time, the impact of their behavior is very harmful for those who care about them.
So, by intent, they’re only protecting themselves (from intolerable feelings of shame), but by impact, they’re harmful and abusive.
If I was you, Nea, I would never leave my daughter with him without being there to supervise. Otherwise, she’ll be his next victim- again, not by intent- but by impact.
How to co-exist with him?
No amount of submission will do, no amount of accommodation will do.
And no way of helping him or changing him.
You just have to.. well, to not live with him, and then limit visits in time and place, so that you can leave whenever the time is right, and.. I suppose, pray for him, because practically, there’s nothing you can do for him.
More when I’m back to the computer.
Anita
August 15, 2026 at 12:04 am in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460364
anitaParticipantYes, I just submitted you another long post. Better you read it in the morning. It’s just after midnight here, good night 🙂
August 14, 2026 at 11:55 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460361
anitaParticipantHi Nea:
* I’m adding this after completing this message: this may be too much. Please feel free to not read or stop reading at any time. No need to respond if this is too much *
I am back at the computer and can look things up:
Strategic Empathy means he can perform empathy when it benefits him, using ’empathy‑like’ behavior to manage his image, and showing restraint only in relationships where consequences exist.
Instrumental Empathy means empathy used as a tool to achieve a goal: to gain approval, avoid conflict, maintain reputation, and control how others see him.
Another term you might feel useful is Selective Restraint. This describes how he controls himself only when he fears consequences, wants to maintain a certain image, avoid looking bad, or appear reasonable.
Real empathy includes * Curiosity — you want to understand another person’s inner world, * Responsiveness — you adjust your behavior to reduce harm, * Consistency, * Accountability — you care enough to change harmful patterns, and * Non‑performance — it’s not about image, approval, or control.
Real empathy is felt, not calculated; it leads to change, while strategic empathy leads to performance. Real empathy shows up in private, while strategic empathy shows up in public.
Nea, about the words he used against you and your husband, phrases like: “bitch”, “shut the fuck up”, “get the fuck out of my house”, “you don’t fucking know anything”, “fucking piece of shit”, “I’ll show you”, and “asshole”- That’s dominance language.
These words mean: ‘I am above you.’, ‘You have no right to speak.’, ‘Your feelings don’t matter.’
‘I control this space.’, ‘I decide who is allowed to exist here.’
‘I will crush you if you challenge me.’, ‘I will escalate if you don’t submit.’
He uses these specific words because they degrade, humiliate, silence, intimidate, and trigger fear and compliance.
His phrase “I’ll show you” is especially important. It means: ‘I will escalate.’, ‘I will overpower you.’, ‘I will punish you for not submitting.’, and ‘I will demonstrate my dominance.’
His “get the fuck out of my house” means: ‘You exist here only by my permission.’, ‘I can expel you at any moment.’, ‘Your presence is conditional on obedience.’
His “you don’t fucking know anything” means ‘Your perspective is invalid.’, ‘Your voice has no weight.’, ‘You are beneath me.’
His words are weapons designed to silence, dominate, intimidate, humiliate, and maintain control.
This is not a ‘difficult parent.’ This is an abusive one.
And his financial generosity is part of the control structure, not evidence of goodness. Many abusive or domineering parents are financially generous because it maintains loyalty, dependence, image, and power.
Children of abusive parents often say: ‘He (or she) can be generous.’, ‘He can be charming.’ etc. This creates confusion because generosity feels like ‘proof’ of goodness. But his financial generosity does not cancel out the name‑calling, the intimidation, the humiliation, the threats, the emotional volatility, the dominance language, the lack of accountability, and the absence of genuine empathy.
It is entirely possible — and very common — for someone to be financially generous, socially charming, publicly restrained, and still be emotionally abusive, domineering, unsafe in private, and harmful to their family.
As I’ve been typing this message, Nea, I’ve been feeling this heat in my face, anger, as in: ‘How Dare He?’
Your father and my mother have a lot in common. Although they’re not the same.
I have images of my mother, memories of her face- kind, loving, warm. Big brown eyes. I have memories of the hurt on her face and in her voice, and me swearing I will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to fix her hurt, to make her feel better.
I remember her in private, thoroughly shaming and humiliating me any way she could until she was exhausted and yet in public: charming, pleasing, ‘good’
In cartoons the bad character is 100%, unequivocally bad. In real life, the bad parent is (simplified) a former innocent, hurt child.. and you can see remnants of that innocence and hurt in the abusive adult they turned out to be.
Anita
August 14, 2026 at 9:31 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460360
anitaParticipantContinued:.
What you wrote in the last paragraph: “Even now… I can immediately start thinking about his feelings… whether he’s hurt”-
All I thought about growing up was what my mother felt, how hurt she was. I wasn’t thinking about my feelings because emotionally, I was fused with her.
It took me a long time to understand that who I imagined my mother to be.. was heavily influence by my imaginings, my wishful thinking, my unmet needs.
Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dudu Confused 🙂
“It’s hard to believe how bad she took it..”- that’s what happens when an old injury gets trigerred and bleeds into the present.
Somebody lied to her real bad, and your tiny, panic-driving lie opened that wound.
The now paused (at the least) relationship doesn’t look promising to me because (1) the distance, (2) the first troubled irl visit, (3) the second that didn’t materialize.
I’m afraid that if the 2 of U got back together long- distance, she’d treat you like a ‘suspect’ and you’d have to walk on eggshells so to not go back into the guilty “Narcissistic ass****” category she had placed you in, a category where you don’t belong!
I would love to be wrong, and maybe I am.. but that would take a whole lot of real, honest, ongoing work.
What says Confused?
🤔 Anita
August 14, 2026 at 8:33 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460358
anitaParticipantGood evening, Nea 🙂
I find our conversations very interesting and glad to have them. I hope that we’re helping each other- as peers, regardless of our age difference.
Particularly when I’m using my phone, like now, I like to scroll up, quote a sentence or a few from your message, share what it brings up for me, then scroll up again and repeat. It helps me think more clearly (undoing many, many years of confusion).
“He clearly can exercise restraint, empathy and consideration in some relationships… I have seen that he is capable of (resteaint, empathy and consideration)”-
I think that he is capable of performing empathy. It’s called Strategic Empathy, or Instrumental Empathy, which is aimed at managing his social image, or promoting his personal interests.
Where’s the Genuine Empathy during years and decades of seeing his wife and his daughters suffer, and yet not caring to change anything about his behaviors so to protect the three of you?
“She has always had much more of a ‘don’t tell me what to do’ personality, and she also went through a very dark period with her mental health when she was younger. I think that some of what happened frightened my parents enough that they became much more cautious about how they approache her. My dad can simply be different with her”-
I don’t know your mother’s emotional motivation. She may have been genuinely concerned about your sister’s mental health.
But when it comes to your father, I imagine that what he was scared of was what a daughter’s visible mental health problems would do to his social image.
That she was able to come up with a ‘don’t tell me what to do’ personality may have developed because she was allowed the freedom to develop it, or to maintain it.
I am guessing that he wasn’t afraid that you, Nea, will make him look bad because you didn’t visible display mental health problems.. ?
At this point, because of what you added in the message I’m responding to, I’m thinking that maybe your father is not dangerous at all because physically and detectably (!) injuring his daughters, his wife, or his son-in-law would make him look bad.
I will continue later.
Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused: got to get away from the computer for a few hours, I’ll be back in the evening. Please be good to the precious Confused!
August 14, 2026 at 1:45 pm in reply to: When family dynamics you grew up with become unacceptable in adulthood #460354
anitaParticipantContinued:
* I’m adding this after I completed this short message: if the following is too upsetting to you, please feel free to not answer. If our conversation- exploration promotes your Clarity and Calm, that’s a good thing. Please let me know.
“My dad began swearing, calling him names”- what did he say, what names did he call your husband.. humiliating, crushing names?
You mentioned verbal abuse that he directed at you into your adulthood. Did he call you names as well?
I’m asking not to pry but to understand the extent of his cruelty.
* I don’t suppose you or your husband ever called him names or ever heard anyone else call him names to his face?
There’s much more that you shared, but sometimes when there’s so much, we don’t give enough attention to some things as they get swallowed in multitude of details and such.
I forgot the great majority of the humiliating, crushing words my mother used against me but I so clearly remember this one: “You’re One Big Zero!”
Anita
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