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anitaParticipant
Dear Melinda: I am so sorry for this Tragedy in your life, so sorry for this pain in your mind and heart. I will reply further Mon morning (it’s Sun night here).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Helcat: I read your recent post and want to think about it later, then reply tomorrow. Love and best wishes back to you!
anita
September 29, 2024 at 10:34 am in reply to: Surrender, Accessing Shakti by clearing samskaras, eliminating false selves #438436anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“What comes to mind now, is that a majorly good person is one with good intentions but doesnât always get that across,“- good people have good intentions, but good intentions not getting across can be a failure on the part of the receiver: misunderstanding, inaccurate projections, and such.
“or that they think their intentions are good, but are missing some information and their good intentions are misguided, causing bad outcomes“- this is why it is important to ask questions and to make educated decisions, decisions on what to say/ type/ do, not based on unchecked assumptions. When you try to help a person in a particular situation, and you feel that you understand the situation, ask yourself: is there a different angle to look at the situation? Is there a bigger picture that I am not yet seeing?
“Whereas a fully good person is completely in line with their third eye, and therefore their intentions are always pure, never contaminated with bias or selfish wants. A fully good person always effects the environment neutrally or positively“- I challenge this and say: there is no such person, a fully good person, not a single one. This is a description of a saint (a fictional character, including those labeled saints by the Catholic church), or of a god that’s made in the image of a perfect human (which doesn’t exist). No one is a fully good person.
“a majorly good person can sometimes have negative effects on others and the world“- all majorly good people have negative effects on others and the world, knowingly and not knowingly. Majorly good people use plastic and then placing it in the recycle bin, they believe that they are doing the right thing.. not knowing that plastic does not get recycled and so, they are adding waste and harm to the world.
Everyone who votes in elections, adds support to politicians who have positive, but also negative effects on the world. This is why many vote for the “lesser of two evils”: they knowingly vote for a candidate who adds harm to the world.
Being a majorly good person is about minimizing harm whenever, wherever possible (not avoiding or preventing it all together, which is an impossibility).
“my dad did not treat me as if I was a good person, he was skeptic of me and I was disciplined and criticized all the time. But for K, he seems to have the same overlying issue as me, doubting his goodness, but he didnât have a critical parent, his mom over gave praise to him to an extent to where he now wonders âwhat is real praise and what is exaggeratedâ“- his mother praised him, he believed her but found out- through interactions with peers/ other people- that her praise was exaggerated or untrue altogether. Examples, if she told him something like: you are the most intelligent boy in the world! Or you are the most handsome boy in the world! And then a teacher gave him a C while a dozen peers received Bs and As, or when a girl he was interested in rejected his advances and chose another boy.. then there’s dissonance in his brain, thinking something like: if I really am the most intelligent, why didn’t I get a B or an A?
“How can two different types of parents, both result in a hard time receiving praise or seeing yourself as good?“- your father criticized you, his mother built him up so that (unintentionally) he would be taken down by society.
“What is the balance of praise and constructive criticism that leads to a healthy self esteem (seeing self as good). I ask because I want to balance myself out, and I also want to raise a balanced child one day“- for example, instead of telling a child generalities like: you are the most intelligent person in the world, or the most handsome, say something specific, like: I like how you figured out this math problem, good job! Or I like your posture, how you stand with your back straight and shoulders back!
“This is where I can be thankful, and one of the ways my experience breaks away from yours… My way of life doesnât make sense to him and he still laughs at me… ‘why would you work at a cafe you are way too over qualified’… But then he says he is glad I am happy.. which I think I believe… Itâs like he doesnât see me as bad anymore, but he sees me as something else now⌠not intelligent, lazy (since I am not resume building/ climbing a corporate ladder)…“- I am glad that your father no longer conducts house-cleaning-sessions or the likes of it and that he mellowed down, good thing. But his earlier messages, the you-are-a-bad-person message has not been removed from your brain just because he doesn’t repeat that message anymore. No longer hearing that message is a great relief though, and it is helpful.
“when you say the majority of your life, how long ago did you begin peeling this label off? is it off?“- it was a long process. I’d say the process began in 2011 when I attended my first quality psychotherapy. The label is off and has been off on a regular, reliable basis in the last few months. It doesn’t mean that I don’t question my words and actions in regard to the Helpful vs Harmful factor.
“F takes full advantage of weak minds.. I donât trust him. I am having a moment right now where I am realizing how deeply I donât trust him in this way“- a profound moment. “This is what I mean by not trusting F, As I typed ‘I donât trust him,’ I saw him as bad. Is it possible to see someone as partially bad and good? or is it one or the other?“- I think that yes, it is possible to see someone as partially bad and good. My mother was good to people and animals she fed and helped, people and animals who weren’t around her long-enough to be harmed. In their experience, she was a good person, and I can’t (and won’t) take it away from her.“I am not sure if my dad presents me as bad or good. I think he tries to present me as good but he sees me as bad.. I feel sad at this moment”– oh, so he still expresses to you the message that you were/ are a bad person..!“This is a hard conversation to have for me and I suspect you too, thank you for opening up wounds to help me. Anita you are fantastic â¤ď¸”- thank you for your empathy and kindness, â¤ď¸ back to you, Fantastic Seaturtle!“‘from Harmful to Helpful’ I can see myself doing this in my life now… I also still want to help others be more positive even if it is at the cost of me exposing myself to it.. now is this a quality of a good person or is it self destructive to expose myself to at all?“- it is self-destructive to allow others to destroy you, if that’s what’s happening, so no: it’s not a quality of a good person (it’s a quality of a wanna-be saint, I say).“My friend P, I still havenât spoken to in person and I suspect she thinks I am incapable of supporting others, because I distanced myself from her negativity“- good thing, to protect yourself from her negativity.“there is a current situations I am dealing with that I am finding a road block between judgement -> empathy. Long story as short as I can; The parents of the child I nanny are separating. I found out three weeks ago, they sat me down and he confessed to being an alcoholic…I think you may be able to help me find some empathy? or guide me to how you have found empathy in the hardest situations?“- he is in pain, he is struggling too. Expressed judgment will make him a worse person (worse father, worse ex-husband, etc.), not a better person. Of course, all practical and legal efforts need to be made so to protect others from his harmful behaviors. It takes both: expressed empathy and setting limits and boundaries!“I even found myself tempted to do harm by not caring much about making his facetimes with the little girl happen, as they can only happen with me there since the wife and him are not speaking. I stopped myself from this behavior, but my judgements have clearly not been tamed with empathy“-if he abuses her (or you) in any way during those facetime sessions, definitely don’t make them happen. Otherwise, it’s not your call to prevent him from facetime with his daughter.“I am so thankful that I have you in my life. And I am thankful that life is providing me with opportunities to become my best self. I believe my intentions are good, and that yours are too. I believe this is a difficult challenge I am facing is not easy for me and will have an equivalent amount of growth for me on the other side “- you are welcome, thank you, and perfectly said (it’s possible to be.. temporarily perfect đ)!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Helcat:
I am sorry that you and your brother suffered abuse from your biological mother, and that you are facing difficulties in your marriage and other stresses.
“I remember when I got the cat. She was being bullied by the other kittens, and I didnât want her to be bullied anymore“- it is precious that you saved her from her bullies!
It’s good that you see the same couple therapist you’ve seen while pregnant and that your husband sees an individual therapist as well.
“Yes, I think we both feel like we cannot cope with anymore disagreements. Our nervous systems are overwhelmed. There is also a lot going on outside of the disagreements. Stress definitely adds to things“- minimizing stress wherever, whenever possible is first priority, seems to me.
“My feelings get hurt sometimes and my husband can tell even when I donât say anything about it. And he wants to talk about it and I donât and that makes him angry that I donât want to talk to him about it… But for the first time he walked away and took time to himself when he was getting stressed. So that is one positive… He also explained that he doesnât really want to leave, and the threatening to leave comes from a place of trying to push me away before I push him away… He doesnât like leaving things alone“- reads like at times, when you get hurt, you need to walk away and take time to yourself, leaving things alone for the time being, but he gets anxious when you do that, and to resolve his anxiety, he wants you to talk to him instead of walking away.
When hurt, you shut down and want to leave things alone; when he’s anxious, he wants you to open up and confront things.
“My PTSD is quite bad because of the arguments“- I wonder if arguments happen this way: you get hurt=> you shut down/ walk away=> he follows you and insists that you to open up/ talk with him about what’s bothering you=> you argue that you need time for yourself and he argues that he needs you to talk about it.. ?
“I have been reading a lot about couples counselling and relationship advice. The theory is basically that he is hurt by me withdrawing. And he acts out when heâs hurt. He just wants connection. And I just keep withdrawing more and more. Because I withdraw when Iâm hurt“- reads like a dynamic that is common in couples during conflict, only that it’s usually the man who withdraws and the woman is the one who wants to talk about things.
“I also want connection, but I donât really feel safe emotionally“- you withdraw because in those moments, you don’t trust him, nor would you trust anyone..?
I asked a few questions above, but there is no expectation on my part that you answer my questions, particularly when you need to leave things alone and not confront things. It’s easy for me to ask questions, but if it’s difficult for you to answer, and when it is not to your advantage.. please don’t answer. And please let me know if you’d like me to no longer ask you questions and instead, to provide a different kind of support.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Krish:
You are welcome, and thank you for your appreciation and kindness: you are a lovely soul yourself, and may God bless you!
(I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes): “The ex extended in-laws did visit my mother and me after I got my divorce and wanted to be friends . They sided with me in this issue and also they said that they supported me in this issue as opposed to their nephew”-
– they visited you and sided with you after the divorce was settled for their nephew’s (the perpetrator’s) full advantage. They didn’t visit you, side with you and offer their support during the abusive marriage or during the 5-year separation before the divorce, when their support could have helped the divorce conclude to your (the victim’s) favor. Their visit and offer to be friends is too convenient on their part, isn’t it..
“I do like them but will keep them in my prayers and wish well for them. I donât want to interact with them as I didnât get any closure for the abuse I endured and I feel it is better to move on rather than getting entangled in the past and participating in others karma“- I fully agree with you. Your responsibility is to avail yourself to as much healing as is possible for yourself. You have no responsibility whatsoever to interact with them, or to be their friend. It is kind of you to wish them well and pray for them.
“I am consulting the psychologist here for PTSD and she said that I have severe unresolved anger from the abuse I endured“- severe anger from severe abuse. Literature says that anger is highly associated with PTSD. I hope that the psychologist will help you with the anxiety, hurt and anger associated with the abuse you suffered.
Love, light and prayers back to you!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Helcat: You are very welcome! I will read attentively and reply tomorrow morning.
anita
September 28, 2024 at 5:34 pm in reply to: Surrender, Accessing Shakti by clearing samskaras, eliminating false selves #438430anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle: I read parts and will attentively read, re-read and reply Sun morning.
anita
September 28, 2024 at 11:21 am in reply to: Surrender, Accessing Shakti by clearing samskaras, eliminating false selves #438426anitaParticipantRe-submitting, trying to create spaces.. may not work:Dear Seaturtle:âAs my natural self is revealing itself, the conflict is the thought âstop this is too much expression!ââ- I think that the wording too much means something bad, that therefore, something that shouldnât be expressed.In a recent reply I quoted about shakti: âShakti in Hinduism, is the âuniversal powerâ that underlies and sustains all existenceâŚÂ  energy, ability, strength, effort, power, might, capabilityâ, and I suggested that âto tap into/ to be One with Shakti, it takes trusting yourself to be a good person first, because you wouldnât allow a bad person all that power and capabilityâ.About my experience: for as long as I believed or heavily suspected, that I was a bad person, I was too troubled and confused to exercise power in my own life, too troubled to steer my own ship, so to speak. So, I let the ship (me) passively drift any which way the wind (other people and circumstances) took it.I desperately needed to know that I am a good person so to feel that I have the (moral) right to exercise power in my own life.The person that made me believe, or heavily suspect, that I was a bad person was my mother. On a regular basis, she accused me- in long, protracted, paranoid and histrionic sessions of accusations- of plotting to hurt her feelings and humiliate her. She accused me of planning what to say and do, weeks and months in advance, all for the (intentional) purpose of causing her emotional pain. No objections, explanations or denials on my part made her stop.Who plans and intentionally actualizes plans to cause pain to oneâs mother, if not a bad person..?As I said, I tried to explain to her that there was no intention, no plan.. because I knew that there was no such intent or plan, but over time, I didnât knowâ know. I wasnât sure that she was wrong. I doubted myself. I became very careful about the words I said, or thought about saying, too anxious, too careful.The anxiety and Guilt (feeling like a bad person) that she instilled in me tormented me for most of my life. The harm done to me by her accusatory and histrionic sessions still lingers. I think of the majority of my life as a stolen life, stolen and held hostage by her.I couldnât, wasnât able to access Shakti= to become powerful in my own life, not for as long as I wasnât able to peel the Guilty-Suspect-Label off of me. I waited and waited for her to give me the permission to live my own life (by telling me that I was a good person) long after I knew that I was still waiting. I gave her all that I could give her, money included, but never got the Good Person label from her. So, for the majority of my life, I drifted in a purgatory, drifting between heaven (waiting to be labeled Good) and hell (resisting being labeled Bad).Waiting.Back to you: âWhat comes to mind immediately is that there are things I fear that I am, that I donât want to be. But some of those things I am also unsure if they are true, or they are just what I have been told. Like Fâs accusing me of being selfish, controlling and manipulativeâ- it is possible, as it had been in my case, for a child who is 100% empathetic (good) with a parent, to become an unempathetic adult. I grew up to be.. not a good person with lots of people, sadly.I believe that you were not selfish, controlling, manipulative, etc., when it came to your father, but it is possible that you have been so with others, to one extent or another, at times.. is it possible?âI know I have good aspects, and I am optimistic I see myself as majorly good, a lot of the time, but definitely not fully. Do you see yourself as fully good?â- I currently see myself as a good person. I define a good person as a person who cares to do no harm, and to help people whenever possible.To view myself as a good person, I had to go back to the past and peel off the Guilty-Suspect-Label that my mother repeatedly and viciously placed on me, and then re-label everything and everyone: (1) my mother presented herself as a good person: no she was not a good person. To me, and to those most vulnerable to her, she was a bad person,(2) my mother presented me as a bad person: no I was not a bad person. I was as good a person to her as can be. My empathy was with her, I would have done anything to help her, and I did do all that I could.I grew up to be an angry person, and sometimes.. a bad person (judged by my harmful vocalized words and actions). I earned my good-person-label by repeatedly and intentionally correcting my behaviors (words said/ typed, and chosen actions) from Harmful to Helpful, best I can.(3) other people whom she accused of being bad people (everyone, sooner or later), many of them where better people than she was, and none of them was as bad to me as she was.These days, whenever I notice that I think/ feel judgmental of people, I address the situation and whenever, wherever possible and appropriate, I shift from judgment => to empathy. I donât view myself as a bad person for thoughts that occur to me, or feelings that pass through me, no matter how.. âuglyâ, because I know that I donât choose them.I hold myself responsible for what I say, type and do, not for unchosen thoughts and feelings. When I find myself thinking/ feeling what may lead to harmful words or actions, I redirect my attention => to thoughts and feelings that are congruent with helping, not with harming.Using words from the title of your thread, Iâd say: Surrender to the fact that you are not fully/ perfectly good, correct the ways in which you harm others (something we should all do), and accessing Shaktiâ continue to heal yourself and, like a song says: âHeal the world- Make it a better place- For you and for me and the entire human raceâ (Heal the World).anitaSeptember 28, 2024 at 11:15 am in reply to: Surrender, Accessing Shakti by clearing samskaras, eliminating false selves #438425anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:“As my natural self is revealing itself, the conflict is the thought âstop this is too much expression!ââ- I think that the wording too much means something bad, that therefore, something that shouldn’t be expressed.In a recent reply I quoted about shakti: “Shakti in Hinduism, is the âuniversal powerâ that underlies and sustains all existenceâŚÂ  energy, ability, strength, effort, power, might, capability“, and I suggested that “to tap into/ to be One with Shakti, it takes trusting yourself to be a good person first, because you wouldnât allow a bad person all that power and capability”.About my experience: for as long as I believed or heavily suspected, that I was a bad person, I was too troubled and confused to exercise power in my own life, too troubled to steer my own ship, so to speak. So, I let the ship (me) passively drift any which way the wind (other people and circumstances) took it.I desperately needed to know that I am a good person so to feel that I have the (moral) right to exercise power in my own life.The person that made me believe, or heavily suspect, that I was a bad person was my mother. On a regular basis, she accused me- in long, protracted, paranoid and histrionic sessions of accusations- of plotting to hurt her feelings and humiliate her. She accused me of planning what to say and do, weeks and months in advance, all for the (intentional) purpose of causing her emotional pain. No objections, explanations or denials on my part made her stop.Who plans and intentionally actualizes plans to cause pain to one’s mother, if not a bad person..?As I said, I tried to explain to her that there was no intention, no plan.. because I knew that there was no such intent or plan, but over time, I didn’t know– know. I wasn’t sure that she was wrong. I doubted myself. I became very careful about the words I said, or thought about saying, too anxious, too careful.The anxiety and Guilt (feeling like a bad person) that she instilled in me tormented me for most of my life. The harm done to me by her accusatory and histrionic sessions still lingers. I think of the majority of my life as a stolen life, stolen and held hostage by her.I couldn’t, wasn’t able to access Shakti= to become powerful in my own life, not for as long as I wasn’t able to peel the Guilty-Suspect-Label off of me. I waited and waited for her to give me the permission to live my own life (by telling me that I was a good person) long after I knew that I was still waiting. I gave her all that I could give her, money included, but never got the Good Person label from her. So, for the majority of my life, I drifted in a purgatory, drifting between heaven (waiting to be labeled Good) and hell (resisting being labeled Bad).Waiting.Back to you: “What comes to mind immediately is that there are things I fear that I am, that I donât want to be. But some of those things I am also unsure if they are true, or they are just what I have been told. Like Fâs accusing me of being selfish, controlling and manipulative“- it is possible, as it had been in my case, for a child who is 100% empathetic (good) with a parent, to become an unempathetic adult. I grew up to be.. not a good person with lots of people, sadly.I believe that you were not selfish, controlling, manipulative, etc., when it came to your father, but it is possible that you have been so with others, to one extent or another, at times.. is it possible?“I know I have good aspects, and I am optimistic I see myself as majorly good, a lot of the time, but definitely not fully. Do you see yourself as fully good?“- I currently see myself as a good person. I define a good person as a person who cares to do no harm, and to help people whenever possible.To view myself as a good person, I had to go back to the past and peel off the Guilty-Suspect-Label that my mother repeatedly and viciously placed on me, and then re-label everything and everyone: (1) my mother presented herself as a good person: no she was not a good person. To me, and to those most vulnerable to her, she was a bad person,(2) my mother presented me as a bad person: no I was not a bad person. I was as good a person to her as can be. My empathy was with her, I would have done anything to help her, and I did do all that I could.I grew up to be an angry person, and sometimes.. a bad person (judged by my harmful vocalized words and actions). I earned my good-person-label by repeatedly and intentionally correcting my behaviors (words said/ typed, and chosen actions) from Harmful to Helpful, best I can.(3) other people whom she accused of being bad people (everyone, sooner or later), many of them where better people than she was, and none of them was as bad to me as she was.These days, whenever I notice that I think/ feel judgmental of people, I address the situation and whenever, wherever possible and appropriate, I shift from judgment => to empathy. I don’t view myself as a bad person for thoughts that occur to me, or feelings that pass through me, no matter how.. “ugly”, because I know that I don’t choose them.I hold myself responsible for what I say, type and do, not for unchosen thoughts and feelings. When I find myself thinking/ feeling what may lead to harmful words or actions, I redirect my attention => to thoughts and feelings that are congruent with helping, not with harming.Using words from the title of your thread, I’d say: Surrender to the fact that you are not fully/ perfectly good, correct the ways in which you harm others (something we should all do), and accessing Shakti– continue to heal yourself and, like a song says: “Heal the world- Make it a better place- For you and for me and the entire human race” (Heal the World).anitaanitaParticipantDear Helcat:
You are welcome. I am sorry to read that your cat is still missing and that she may not come back home.
“She was my first pet as an adult. My first baby… I love her so much“- I think that your heart will always wear the pawprints left by your cat. From a poem titled Pawprints left by you: “You were far more than a pet. You were a family member, a friend, a loving soul I’ll never forget. It will take time to heal… My heart will always wear the pawprints left by you”.
It makes sense to not put your dog through another surgery, last was only 23 days ago (Sept 5), and it is compassionate to approach things from an end of life perspective if his health worsens.
“It would hit me really hard because he is my emotional support dog. Iâm not ready to lose him either, but I will have to be strong“- I hope that he stays with you for a long time, wagging tail, experiencing a satisfactory quality of life. And I hope that you are strong as you reading this, and that you remain strong every day, every night.
“My pets are my family. They mean so much to me“- Pawprints on Helcat’s Heart.
I hope that you passed the exam even though you couldn’t finish it, and if not, that you will pass the next.
“Couples counselling was okay“- I wonder if the first or second session because on Sept 16, you were still waiting for couple therapy.
“One thing that I have difficulty with is that I donât have an outlet for my feelings. I just keep it all inside and suffer. It still hurts a lot everyday. My husband keeps saying that he is going to leave me. Love and best wishes! â¤ď¸đ“- you are welcome to share more about your feelings here, in your thread. I will read and reply.
– May the â¤ď¸that you extend to others in these forums return to you.
I was disappointed to read that he keeps saying that he is going to leave you. Last you wrote (Sept 18): “Things are a bit better for me today. My husband has been trying to be more affectionate…“, so I was hopeful.
On Aug 22, you wrote: “The longest interactions we have now are disagreements“- I wonder if he cannot endure any more disagreements (..?) and if it’s possible to not disagree at all for a long while.
About 7 hours after you submitted your most recent post in this thread, you wrote in a reply to another member: “To a baby, the mother and baby are one and the same. Like a limb, she is the hand that feeds, that cleans, that comforts and protects“- you are baby-Helcat and mother-Helcat. May mother-Helcat’s hand be the one that comforts and protects baby Helcat.
I am closing this post with the image of baby Helcat on my mind and with an affectionate smile that this image brings.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Helcat: I’ve been thinking about you every day, 7 days of you not posting, thinking of posting: how are you, Helcat, what’s happening?? I will be back to you Sat morning (Fri night here)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Prudence:
“I tried a dating app… when I look in the mirror, I donât see that ugliness at all⌠So why does this happen?“- it may be that you are not good at the workings of this technology of dating apps: limitless matches, fast access, great competition. Our world, especially that of your age (23), is very much technologically advanced, but very much deprived of the human in-person factor. It may be that you are falling through the cracks of this highly technological world.. ?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Karen:
Thank you for Keep the Heid. Here’s another Scottish saying: “Be sure to taste your words afore you spit them” â Meaning: Be careful to think about what you are saying before you say it. Often we can’t take back what we say in haste or spite, so take a moment to think before you speak.
anita
September 25, 2024 at 2:16 pm in reply to: Surrender, Accessing Shakti by clearing samskaras, eliminating false selves #438374anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“I think I worry more that I will accidentally be a bad person.. selfish, self righteous, rude, prideful/ greedy etc… I see myself as majorly good, a lot of the time, but definitely not fully. Do you see yourself as fully good?“-
-What is Seaturtle’s personal definitions of a majorly good person and of a fully good person?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
You are welcome! “I often treasures honesty and directness, I do not like to guess or beat around the bush. I often think this causes more harm. It is often because the person delivering the message does not have enough mental strength/ courage to deliver the message, at the cost of the peace of the recipient. I guess this is also how she draws farther, as I often challenge her to talk/ face directly with the situations“- very well said. She lacks the mental strength and courage required to be honest and direct with people in complicated matters, matters that involve conflict or some unpleasantness. (I assume she is honest and direct when it comes to simple matters like letting the employee at the ice-cream shop know the particular ice-cream flavors she wants).
A few months after you met her for the first time, on Oct 7, 2018, you shared: âI recently got quite close with a person, we have been talking mainly on texts for a few months⌠she had never disclosed that she had a girlfriendâ. You were very distressed at the time about her not disclosing this to you. Now I understand why she didn’t: it was a complicated matter for her, she was conflicted about it.. so she was not honest about it. She hid this major part of her personal life.
This lack of honesty and directness has been part of her before the beginning of the relationship with you. It is how she operates.
anita
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