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  • in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460005
    anita
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    Hey Confused: I just noticed your sarcasm (or is it irony, I confuse the two) in your “and look at me now, how well I did 🙂”-

    Confused is taking more responsibility than what belongs to you. How about 50% instead of 100%?

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460004
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    Hey Dear Confused:

    I’m trying to make Confused less confused 🙂

    You mentioned many times how you didn’t lose feelings only in the context of her in your life, but in the context of everyone and everything in your life. What I’m pointing to is that if she was life itself for you, if she- or what she represented to you- meant everything, no wonder you lost feeling for everything else.

    Or.. am I confused?

    🤔 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460002
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    Not going anywhere with this, was hoping you go somewhere with this..

    She meant everything to you before Nov? Maybe not?

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #460000
    anita
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    Hey Dear Confused:

    “If it (the depression/ annhedonia) was related only to her, I would be fine”-

    But if she meant EVERYTHING to you, if you were so very invested in her (or in the idea of her) so intensely, so overwhelmingly, is it a wonder that the depression/ annhedonia spread to EVERY part of your life?

    🤔 Anita

    anita
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    Hi again, Nea:

    I want to clarify what I meant when I wrote that my mother’s affection was tied to my compliance.

    I didn’t mean that she wanted me to comply to behaving in ways that are respectful to other people/ to my elders, or to obeying instructions such as help with cleaning the home and such.

    I mean she wanted me to submit to her power for no other reason than that it made her feel better to exert power over me and see me controlled, subdued and self-erasing.

    It made her feel temporarily powerful ( and that felt good!). I say temporarily, because she needed to assert her power- at my expense- again and again.

    So, her love for me, in practice, was love for how my submission and self-erasure made her feel.

    I can share more, but I don’t want to maybe overwhelm you. I shared what I did so to explain the “how and why” behind my mother’s behavior,

    Thinking that maybe it might help you just a bit in the struggle you mentioned: “Another part of me is still struggling to truly understand the why and how behind (your father’s behaviours)”.

    I understand, of course, that your father and my mother are not the same person and that my childhood experience is not the same as yours. Yet certain patterns and human motivation are quite the same across the world from the beginning of times.

    🌿 Anita

    anita
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    Hi Nea:

    I just want to say how much I appreciate the empathy, grace, and emotional maturity in your message. You’re holding such a complicated truth with so much clarity — seeing your father’s harmful patterns while still acknowledging the love you feel. That takes strength.

    When you wrote, “I find myself wondering how someone can love their family and yet behave in ways that hurt them,” it struck me deeply. I asked myself that same question for years.

    For a long time, I held onto a loving image of my mother because the real version of her was too frightening to face. Over time, my understanding shifted. I realized she had moments of affection, but they were tied to my compliance — not to seeing me as a separate person with my own worth. When she sensed even small signs of independence, she became aggressive and hurtful again.

    It took me a long time to understand that love mixed with harm is not the kind of love that nurtures a child. And it took even longer to let myself see that clearly.

    I’ll write more soon, but I wanted to share this part with you now.

    Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #459987
    anita
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    Good Monday morning, Confused 🙂

    Yes, your motivation changed since Nov, your doubts and shutdowns started then, as well as a general loss of pleasure. It happened before your irl visit with her on Dec.

    Fast forward 8 months, and she experienced something similar this July- Aug, before the scheduled Aug irl visit with you, which would have been the 2nd visit.

    Do you agree with what I wrote above?

    🤔 Anita

    in reply to: Permission to feel optimistic #459986
    anita
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    Good morning, Girija 🙂

    The coworker we’ve been talking about- with his “powerful words and actions” (your words about him earlier)- was your hope for a savior?

    I’m reminded of the 1981 book “The Cinderalla Complex”, it’s about the hope and fantasy of many, many women to be rescued by a man, to be like Cinderalla who was rescued from her hopeless life with her evil stepmother by a prince.

    Although many more women work and earn a good income since 1981, the fantasy is alive and well, particularly when it comes to more traditional societies and anxious women who grew up without emotional safety.

    There are approaches in different therapies that target this very fantasy, teaching women to develop a “secure base” within, or develop a secure adult self/ a capable “inner parent” to take care of the anxious “inner child”.

    But none of it is easy, of course, for a girl who grew up without a secure base, or a capable parent 😔.

    I didn’t even know Medium exists, or if I came across the word before, I forgot. I may look into it. Thank you for mentioning it.

    How are you feeling today/ this evening?

    🌿 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #459974
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    Hey 🙂Confused:

    Good.. good to read from you this Sun night (here), and to see another “haha”, whether genuine or ironic. Will B back 2 U in the morning.

    😴💤🌙💤 Anita

    in reply to: Permission to feel optimistic #459973
    anita
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    Hi again, Girija:

    “Last night I had an incredible realisation that I really got to live… It was a life in and of itself… It was amazing too.”- I wish you could tell me more about that Life‑In‑And‑Of‑Itself. How did it feel all that time?

    “I don’t know if needing that sense of belonging all the time is good for me… I honestly think I don’t know how to live life… it’s a dull contrast to what I had with him and the previous team.”-

    Losing two places where you felt connected would make anyone question belonging, direction, and how life is supposed to feel. Wanting belonging is human. And the contrast you’re describing… I can imagine how sharp it must feel.

    … I just saw your most recent message. I’ll reply more fully in the morning (it’s Sunday, after 10 pm here), but for now, this part stayed with me:

    “My pretenses – pretending I don’t want a saviour to swoop in, make my life feel good and make me less aware.”-

    Girija… that’s such honest writing. Naming that wish takes courage. Wanting someone who brings ease, comfort, and a break from emotional intensity is such a human thing. You put it into words beautifully.

    I spent so many, many hours (as a teenager and older) daydreaming about a saviour man. Those imaginings felt euphoric.

    I’ll be back to you in the morning.

    🌿 Anita

    in reply to: Permission to feel optimistic #459969
    anita
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    Hi Girija 🙂

    “Pain has a way of removing layers of pretense”- unless you quoted someone else’s words here (like something you read in an article or in a book), these are Impressively, Uniquely- Girija’s (IUG 🙂) words.

    Profound IUG words, really. So much there.

    I am trying to think of my pretenses, not to deceive, but to protect myself.. I pretended to have no prefernces so to not invite my mother’s criticism or inconvenience. I still say (to whomever asks me for my preference): ‘Whatever you choose”.

    What are your pretenses, or just one pretense, Girija?

    “To embody who I am fully”- a Shakespearian quote comes to mind, “To thine own self be true.

    ‘And it follows like day follows night (I’m sure I’m paraphrasing a bit) thou shall be true to any man (or woman)’

    Which brings me to the married co- worker. Was he genuine/ true to himself and to you.. and to the other woman, and to his wife.. an emotionally-polyamorous guy?

    Things can be so complicated.

    Actually, I experienced it myself, feeling genuinely emotipnally close to a few guys in close succession (not physically, mind you).

    Like a child playing in the playground, not playing with just one chosen other child.

    Moving from the phone to the computer…Will reply again.

    💃 Anita

    anita
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    Hi Nea:

    I relate to what you shared about your father’s rage and aggression. My mother had very similar patterns — physical and verbal aggression from as early as I can remember. When my parents were married, there was violence between them, and after they divorced (I was six), her aggression turned toward me. Like in your case, accountability never followed.

    You wrote that the last incident happened in your mid‑20s. Same for me. I was around that age the last time she came at me to hit me. That time I blocked her — caught her arms and held them. She backed off and never tried again.

    When I got married (very early 20s), she exploded at my husband — verbally, not physically — and I froze. I didn’t protect him, didn’t set boundaries, didn’t redefine anything. We left her home that evening, and not long after, my marriage ended. I didn’t have children.

    So, while my story doesn’t have the strength and clarity you’re showing now, I do understand that moment when you realize the way you learned to survive as a child cannot continue into your adult family.

    You’re already doing something I couldn’t do back then — choosing your own household’s peace over the old patterns and I admire you for that.

    Wishing you a smooth last stretch of pregnancy and a safe, healthy birth.

    🌿 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #459965
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    Oh, Dear just-a-pup Confused 🙂

    “Just a pup” means you’re still very young at 32 (It’s a saying, like “the bee’s knees”, another saying that fits you ✔️)

    You indeed connected with her so deeply, but remember: it happened almost entirely in the context of the relative emotional safety that a LDR affords.

    There’s a fantasy element involved when you don’t have to actually live with another person, or be with them in- person, day in and day out.

    Maybe she was a perfect LDR partner. Until she wasn’t 😔

    🌿 Anita

    in reply to: Permission to feel optimistic #459961
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    Back 2 U:

    “My mom and sis do say I was always stressed and only cared about work”-

    It is totally understandable to me that you cared so much about work. I think that it was your corrective experience opportunity- to finally be what you weren’t allowed to be in the context of family.

    Back to what you said a bit earlier: “I don’t think he loved me. Or I don’t know.”-

    That you think he might have loved you tells me that you sense something unmistakenly genuine in the way he talked to you, looked at you, etc. It’s my guess that he felt genuine loving feelings for you, but those were limited in time and place (rather than being continous and ever lasting).

    You mentioned reading about Narcissists in an earlier message- lots of people jump to that popular label because it makes things look black and white clear, no ambiguity, and that feels better to many.

    But except for people who truly fit the diagnosis (handed by a professional following meeting the person irl, etc.), It’s just a convenient go-to-label.

    “I don’t know how to want my life that bad again.”-

    To want to matter, to belong, to be fully allowed- or better- to be embraced for you being uniquely you..?

    This reminds me of my uncle asking me, with genuine curiosity and affection (I was a teenager perhaps) what I thought about something. I don’t remember the topic, but I clearly remember my shock at the time: someone was interested in what I was thinking, as if what I was thinking had value?

    The feeling was intoxicating. I remember it as if it happened only yesterday.

    Our childhood experiences are not identical of course, but I see similarities.

    Uniquely Anita 🙂

    in reply to: Permission to feel optimistic #459960
    anita
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    Hi Girija 🙂

    Using my phone, I will read part of your post, respond with what comes to my mind, then read what comes next, etc. (not reading the whole post at once).

    “Life was happening to me. I belong. They want me here. I’m part of something.”- (you write so well, by the way. I think you got a talent 👍)

    The above makes me think of perhaps (you tell me) about the different experience of growing up:

    Life was not happening to you- having had to shrink your inner life/ world because others’ needs or emotions took center stage,

    You didn’t feel like you belonged (I remembered you said long ago that ‘they didn’t have you’),

    That they didn’t want you there- not as someone with her own needs and emotions, her own separate emotional experience (I remember you sharing that your mother got angry at you, saying that she had already enough to deal with- your father- and she doesn’t have room for you getting depressed on top of it),

    And you weren’t a meaningful part of something, of a family when treated as an emotional inconvenience.

    Having the opposite experience at work would be intoxicating,and it was (“incredible highs”).

    “Life felt extraordinary”- when the ordinary sucks…

    “She asked me if I’m seeking crazy highs”- a high that’s about belonging and being a positive, meaning part of something is not crazy.

    It’s the other way around, being treated as an inconvenience (your needs, emotions, inner world rejected or overlooked) is crazy making, says I.

    “But how do I ever tell her that that insane sense of being uniquely me and the world around me embracing me for that”-

    Exactly: you were not allowed to be uniquely-you growing up. When you expressed your true emotions, you were not embraced, to say the least.

    I want to send this message because using my phone and afraid to lose a long message. I’ll read what comes next in your post and respond in the next message.

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