Good very late morning, Nea:

You closed your post with “my anxiety keeps telling me that if I don’t intervene, the family will never feel normal again.”-

My thoughts (protecting my experience): Oh, that precious “‘normal'”. That long- awaited for peace, so desperately needed.

Of course, any “normal” is not really normal, It’s just a lull before the next storm, but a child needs to believe she’s safe, at least at times, so to take a break from her.. normal state of hyper-viggilence.

I think that part of it is the child’s desperate need to believe that she has some power in the situation, that she can intervene and bring peace to the volatile home environment, a wishful thinking that makes the situation feel a bit more bearable, a little less out of control.

Your thoughts, Nea?

🤔 Anita

Hi Dear Nea:

Truly, so good to read from you this Sat night!

I just came to some first-time realizations in regard to my mother (including a new term to me, “shame reactivity” that applies to her, and I think to your father as well), and in my mind- before knowing you posted a little while ago, and not knowing if you will again, I thanked you- in my mind- because it is my communication with you (!) that made it possible.

You wrote: “And to add even loving my dad or seeing the value in him has been a challenge itself.”-

Talking about love, let me share with you a little bit of what I wrote tonight, a study I recorded before you posted last:

“For most people, a small mistake or a moment of disharmony feels like: ‘Oops.’, ‘I didn’t handle that well.’, ‘Let me fix it.’ For someone with shame reactivity, even tiny imperfections feel like a threat to their identity, proof they are defective. So, instead of tolerating the moment, they react as if they are being attacked, humiliated, or destroyed. That’s why my mother’s reactions were so extreme…

“When someone has a fragile sense of self, feeling even a tiny bit imperfect or criticized creates an unbearable internal shock — shame feels like annihilation to them. Their nervous system cannot tolerate that feeling, so instead of experiencing ‘I feel wrong,’ they flip it outward and make another person feel wrong. It’s an unconscious survival strategy: if you are the defective one, then they don’t have to feel defective. If you are small, they don’t have to feel small. If you are the problem, they don’t have to face their own shame…

“She didn’t try to hurt me in the intentional, sadistic sense. But she did hurt me, deeply and repeatedly, because her way of surviving her own shame required making me small, wrong, powerless, ashamed, dependent.. making me disappear as a separate person.

“She wasn’t trying to hurt me. She was trying to not feel hurt herself. And the only way she knew how to do that was to put the hurt into me…

“I can’t hate her, because I can see she was drowning. I can’t love her, because she never met me as a person.

“I don’t hate her. I don’t love her. I just… see her.

“Her shame was so overwhelming that she reacted like a person in danger. She wasn’t choosing to hurt me — she was choosing to escape annihilation. Once I see that, hate dissolves. Yet, I can’t love her- because love requires reciprocity, recognition, safety, and two people existing…

“Now I see she wasn’t a monster, she wasn’t a mother, she was a drowning person who grabbed the nearest body — my own — to stay afloat…

“Where this leaves me- not loving, not hating. Just seeing. That is the beginning of freedom.”

I would like to B back 2 U in the morning 🙂

Anita

Continued:

“Even if I explained to her why I did it she said, ‘that doesn’t change how I felt’- so after the fact, she is not open to the why. Her sole focus is on her emotion. But if she was open to the why, her emotion might change.

“Also, an hour ago while working I thought how I hurt the ‘little child inside her’ and I started crying again”- do you remember feeling before her that you’ve hurt the “little child” inside an adult person?

“A month ago, I was listening to a song, and a random image came to my mind, us kissing while listening this song in our marriage, I think I told u that before but still, it plays in my head..”-

Regarding the idea of marriage, if she contacted you (a wild idea), and said something like ‘I love you, you are the one, let’s get married!’, will your answer still be, ‘let’s live together and see if we are compatible and take it from there’?

🤔 Anita

My post from earlier:

Good Saturday Morning, Nea:

I want to start by appreciating the clarity, maturity, and emotional insight you bring into these conversations. You think deeply, you integrate new ideas thoughtfully, and you’re able to look at painful dynamics with honesty rather than defensiveness. That level of reflection is rare, and I value it.

“I’ve seen him put so much energy into friendships. Many of those friendships eventually end after some conflict or behaviour, and then new ones take their place… I even saw something similar with my husband. Their relationship felt very different in the earlier years, but the dynamic changed significantly over time, especially once work became involved… they once had a genuinely close relationship”-

My understanding: his relationships can last only as long as the other person continues to reinforce or mirror his preferred identity: central, respected, admired and unchallenged. This is why early friendships feel warm and invested, and why his early relationship with your husband felt close.

He feels warm emotion, but it comes from ego gratification. It is warmth rooted in how he feels about himself, not in how he feels about the other person.

His internal sense of self is very fragile, a low tolerance for shame, or for being wrong. He cannot tolerate equality, disagreement, accountability, or emotional complexity.

The moment a relationship requires genuine empathy, shared responsibility, or the ability to repair conflict, his emotional structure collapses. He becomes defensive, volatile, violent, or blaming, and the relationship deteriorates or ends.

When the other person stops admiring him, disagrees with him, or no longer serves his image, the relationship deteriorates and is replaced with a new one.

The same dynamic explains the shift with your husband: the early closeness felt real to your husband, but for your father it was conditional— based on admiration, harmony, and being seen as central or respected. Once work entered the picture, introducing hierarchy, responsibility, and the possibility of criticism, your father’s strategic restraint collapsed, and he reacted the ways he did.

His affection depends on the other person mirroring him, not challenging him, admiring him, keeping him comfortable, and reinforcing his preferred identity. Once any of these conditions change, the affection collapses.

Anita

Hey Dear Confused:

“But what type of thing could have happened to her in the past and got triggered?… I don’t remember her ever telling me that someone lied to her in the past”-

Copilot: “A big reaction to a small lie often comes from old childhood wounds, even if she never told Confused about a specific betrayal. For example, she may have grown up with a parent who said one thing and did another…

“A child depends on a parent to make the world predictable. If the parent says, ‘I’ll be there,’ but doesn’t show up… or promises, ‘I won’t get angry,’ but then explodes… the child’s nervous system learns that words can’t be relied on. Even small mismatches — a tiny lie, a changed story, a detail that doesn’t line up — start to feel like the beginning of something unsafe.

“The child doesn’t learn this intellectually; the body learns it. So, in adulthood, when someone she cares about says something that doesn’t match their behavior, even in a small way, her nervous system reacts as if she’s back in that childhood moment of being blindsided. That’s why a tiny inconsistency now can trigger a huge emotional response: it’s not about the present lie; it’s about the old pattern her body remembers.”

The above is only an example of a possibility in general terms, Is it a possibility in her case?

🤔 Anita

Hi Nea:

I’m looking forward to replying further this evening, but for now, I want to say that you’re dealing with a lot, emotionally, while heavily pregnant, and your physi al and mental health are most important.

wish you could take a few days away from your father’s house, or somehow take a break while still living there. Maybe make a few rules for yourself to follow, like no longer talking about your father with your husband, and exactly how you behave around your father.

Also, the serenity prayer comes to mind; God, grant me the serenity to accept the things zi cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Anita

Good almost- noon time, Nea:

I was in an hours-long process of answering your last 2 posts when I had to get off the computer, and here I am on the phone.

I’ll complete that post when I’m back to the computer, but for now, summarizing what I wrote there in the simplest language:

Your father and my mother are struggling people, so fragile inside that they can’t endure any amount of criticism, challenge or shame.

The feeling of shame is uncomfortable for everyone, but for them- any bit of it is intolerable.

So, I understand the inner working and empathize with them. At the same time, the impact of their behavior is very harmful for those who care about them.

So, by intent, they’re only protecting themselves (from intolerable feelings of shame), but by impact, they’re harmful and abusive.

If I was you, Nea, I would never leave my daughter with him without being there to supervise. Otherwise, she’ll be his next victim- again, not by intent- but by impact.

How to co-exist with him?

No amount of submission will do, no amount of accommodation will do.

And no way of helping him or changing him.

You just have to.. well, to not live with him, and then limit visits in time and place, so that you can leave whenever the time is right, and.. I suppose, pray for him, because practically, there’s nothing you can do for him.

More when I’m back to the computer.

Anita