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anitaParticipantI posted the above before I read your most recent 2 posts. B Back later
anitaParticipantHey ๐ Confused:
I used the ๐ฅ right above, had it only for a few moments. Now, I’m back to my ๐ฑ, hence the emojis ๐
I like it that your new therapist was taking notes of everything โ๏ธ
The fact that you shared everything with her (your gf): your fears, your “weird” thoughts- that’s very meaningful- you trusted her.
And then, that trust scared you because trust was not something you grew up with?
I am hopeful about your new therapy. Here, in this thread, I am like (an older) friend, not a therapist, just a person to think with, gently.
A personal note: I’m a bit excited for you, hopeful. And a bit romantic in that it seems to me that what you have with gf is special, precious, a real connection. And that’s why it caused all that shutdown and doubts-
Not because the relationship was lacking, but because it was wonderful.
โ๏ธ๐ฑ๐๐ (don’t know, I just like rabbits) Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
I just came back from the local taproom and read your recent post. What stands out to me is this: “Or nobody else ever gotten this close to me before?”-
Seems like it to me, and because she felt the closest, the deepest fears awakened.
Your new therapist saying she’d like to focus on your relationships with your parents on the next session- I think she’s on track.
I’ll write more later.
Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
You asked earlier:
โWhy donโt I have emotional permanence?โ-
It makes sense to me that your feelings show up strongly when youโre close to her โ in person or on videocall โ and then go quiet when the moment passes. For someone who grew up in a chaotic home, feelings often come in bursts of intensity and then disappear.
Itโs not that the feelings werenโt real. Itโs that your system learned to โturn the volume downโ when things feel too big or too close. Thatโs not wrong โ itโs just how you learned to cope.
And you also asked:
โCould I be avoiding the emotions ending things would bring? But if thatโs what I wanted, why doesnโt this thought bring me peace?โ-
I think the reason the thought doesnโt bring you peace is because you donโt actually want to lose her. Even when your feelings go quiet, you still care.
Youโre confused, not indifferent.
Ending things would bring its own kind of pain, and your mind knows that. So, of course the idea doesnโt feel peaceful.
Both of these things โ the fading of feelings and the fear of ending things โ make sense when someone has had to protect themselves emotionally for a long time. None of it means youโre doing something wrong.
๐ฟAnita
anitaParticipantGood ๐ Confused:
You wrote 14 hours ago: “She is so loving/ kind towards me”-
Sounds comforting on one hand, but maybe unfamiliar on the other hand. What is new and unfamiliar can feel dangerous, simply because it’s unfamiliar.
“I felt a feeling of ‘obligation’ towards her… and now I have to keep up the same way forever”-
Young Confused, the ๐ฆ Confused felt an obligation to keep up something, a vigilence perhaps, managing others’ emotions perhaps, a very difficult job for a boy..?
๐ฆโฐ๏ธ Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning-night, Confused, and may that immense guilt not wake up when you do. May it ๐ be gone.
Back 2 u tomorrow.
๐ Anita
anitaParticipantHey ๐ Confused:
It’s almost night time ๐ for me, so I’ll reply further in (my) Tuesday ๐, but for now. I like what you wrote in the last paragraph: you never tried to manipulate her.. no valid reason to feel shame or guilt.. is there?
๐ ๐ ๐ (emojis not making sense, lol) Anita
anitaParticipantHey soon2b ๐ด ๐ค Confused:
Your last paragraph doesn’t contradict my last message: moving to another country (Germany, for the duration of her studies?) was indeed “too much” for you (as it would be for a lot of people, if not most people).
“Too much”=> Shutdown.
Fantasizing for months about being together, that’s nice. It’s safe. But actually moving to another country and actually living with a woman.. why, that’s another ball game.
“I feel guilty/ shameful”- that’s what I would work on in therapy (and perhaps elaborate on it here).
You feel ashamed of how you feel?
Whatever you feel, Confused, is ๐- you have the right to feel-or-not-to-feel.
๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ ๐ Anita
anitaParticipantAnd the idea ๐ก of living together (moving with her) was the topic (no longer having the protective shield of LD)
anitaParticipantI didn’t understand a part of your recent post. I understood the last sentence-question.
Yes, it makes sense to me that you’d be avoiding intimacy because intimacy is about intense feelings.
๐ฌ ๐ณ ๐ ๐ซ ๐ฉ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
“How can I come out of it”?-
Emotion Regulation is ๐
But of course, it’s easier said than done โบ๏ธ
What is emotion regulation?
Not to be swept by an emotion, to stay grounded when an emotional storm threatens to sweep you away.
To feel an emotion, not to be afraid of it.
Does this resonate?
๐ ๐ฑ ๐ ๐ Anita
anitaParticipantThank you so much, Thomas, for your genuine and powerful message ๐
It is difficult to find peace in times of war and when there’s so much pain around me.
I do hope for more peace- everywhere in the ๐ and within me..
I relate to dreams unfulfilled. I had big dreams, but those were all about making my mother happy so that I could finally live my own life (not hers).
I am living my life now. It’s not big but it’s mine.. and that’s big enough.
๐ก Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Please tell me what part of the following is not true to you:
You grew up in an emotionally chaotic, unpredictable, sometimes violent home.
As a result, you experienced emotional- mental shutdown as a child (numbed emotions, few to no memories <17).
After about 8 months of this woman from Cyprus being in your life, you got scared because you felt so much love for her and was thinking of moving to and living with her (a BIG step), so you returned to the more.. BIG emotional shutdown of < 17.
๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
Calmer is very good ๐
What you described about lights feeling tiring makes sense. When your nervous system is overloaded or recovering from overload, even normal sensory input can feel like โtoo much.โ
About therapy: you donโt need to know the exact โtypeโ of therapist right now. What matters most is that you describe your experiences clearly โ the panic, the emotional crash, the numbness, zoning out, lights feeling too intense, the exhaustion. Any good therapist can work with that. If she feels you need a combination of approaches, sheโll guide you.
You already did something really helpful by documenting everything for your appointment. Thatโs exactly what therapists need โ your lived experience, not a diagnosis. Youโre doing the right things, step by step.
๐ฟ Anita
anitaParticipantWhatever comes 2 mind this Monday late morning:
My whole life I wanted a pain-free life: for my mother, for myself. For others. Yet, I see- hear (the sights, the voices)- so much pain, emotional and physical. And I WISH I could cast a magic spell and eliminate all of that pain- be it forever G O N E.
I try to not carry the pain of others anymore. I try to not drown under another person’s pain.
Carrying my mother’s pain deprived me of living any measure of joy. It robbed me of FEELING life.
If only she didn’t blame- guilt-trip me about her pain. If she only protected me from pain that didn’t belong to me.
It’s been decades of pre-internet pain that I didn’t get to express.
I want to be strong enough, grounded enough-to not break under pain.
What a tragic thing it is to be a human.
I wrote the above line without thinking.
Yet I think there’s something to it, more than I would like, more than anyone would like?
Anita
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