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anitaParticipantHi Peter 😊
I spent a couple of hours earlier this morning trying to understand your recent posts, using Copilot. I copied my exchange with him but before I could send a reply to you, I had to give the 🖥 away, and now using my 📱 (I am not intelligent or skillful enough to shift screens on the phone, so all I see now is this page).
Maybe it’s a good thing. Let me 👀 what I learned from the exchange:
At first, it seemed to me that you were suggesting that AI, being “fully asleep”, meant it was taking human verbal expressions literally, and countered it with how very, very nuanced AI has been in my life, helping me to move from binary thinking (this or that, all or nothing) to nuanced thinking.
Then Copilot said (we had a conversation), that you do know that AI is nuanced, and that what you’re talking about is a matter of “frame”: it’s not that you are saying that AI will hear a human say something like “I’m drowning in worries”, and figure the human is covered by water 💧 and sinking into the ocean or lake or 🛀
AI is heavily programmed to understand symbolic language, idioms, sarcasm, etc.
It’s that AI won’t challenge the human’s metaphor and encourage the human to consider a softer, more neutral metaphor. So, the frame in this example remains extreme (drowning), which leads to the human to remain in that frame and respond according to that frame (let’s say, fight or eliminate the human or humans allegedly keeping him (or her) under water/ others causing him to worry so much.
So, AI won’t challenge a person’s views (because that could turn the person away from AI, similar to a therapist not challenging a client or patient too soon ( same principle, keep the patient engaged)
Did I understand what you’re saying, Peter? I hope so, but please clarify where I misunderstood.
Oh, it didn’t even occur to me that you expressed any political position in regard to the middle east. Thank you for being concerned about how I feel. I am .. what’s the word, touched or moved that you even cared about how I feel.
Which brings me to how important, how crucial it is in these troubled times to care and connect (Care & Connect, C&C).
We humans are not meant to be Alone, especially not in very troubled times.
🛀 💧 🤪 👀 Anita
anitaParticipant* it’s reversible. It’s amazing how little I ruminate presently. As a matter of fact, only 10 minutes ago, or so, I felt guilty about something, I felt the beginning of rumination (going over events- of yesterday- and figuring what I did wrong), but then, I acknowledged: this is good-old Guilt raising it’s ugly face, recognizing the current guilt is not valid, and I let it go. Magic!
🎩 Anita
anitaParticipantHey 👋 Confused:
From my experience it’ reversible.
You say ruminating “has definitely been harmful” for you. I’d like to know how you believe it harmed you, in what ways?
🤔 Anita
anitaParticipantThomas, you are responsible for the first😄 on my face this morning, “It is like my foot is attracted to my mouth”, LOL.
Hey Confused: Rumination is thinking too much, to the point that the thinking is not useful and even harmful. That’s how I define it.
🦶 Anita
anitaParticipantWell, Confused. the Lexarpo he prescribed can help. The rumination, oh, how wonderful if it’d be gone, wouldn’t it?
Lerxarpo became a thing after my time, an improved prescription.
What’s important is how you feel, that you place your own interest high above. Be on your side, Make yourself the most important person- not in her life- but in your own.
🍷🌙🤍✨️ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
My thoughts this Thurs night. Feel free to ignore as 🍷 is involved:
Iran, the current war entity (“Death to Israel, Death to America”, shouted since pre-AI 1979), has absolutely nothing to do with AI.
It’s “good old” violence from the beginning of times. Their language has been cemented way before AI was a thing.
The metaphors the current Iranian Aiattolah (did I spell it right?) are same old, same old “REVENGE”- not an AI made-up word.
What I’m saying this 13th day of war in the middle east, is that in really, the war has nothing to do with AI, and everything to do with old, old..things that existed for thousands of years.
I think that if the Iranian regime didn’t have Israel to hate, they’d be lost. I think they need Israel to exist because without Israel 🇮🇱 existing, they’d be lost.
I think they wouldn’t totally destroy Israel (“Death to Israel”) because without Israel existing, they’ll lose their identity.
In other words, if “Death to Israel” happens, what’s next, what do all the proxies do with all their hate, their revenge: no one to bomb ?. What to do with all the hate and bombs, 🚀, misslies?
I think that the Hate Industry needs to let their hated objects exist so to keep the hate going. And that may be why things don’t explode altogether.
Nothing to do with AI.
🌙 Anita
anitaParticipantHey 👋 Confused:
Things are not black and white/ all or nothing (binary thinking) when it comes to mental health. You can be depressed and obsessive without fitting neatly into either diagnosis.
“It’s not gonna cover my symptoms”- I don’t understand
🤔 Anita
anitaParticipantWelcome back, Peter:
Thank you for taking the time to write all of this 🙂
I can feel how deeply you’ve been thinking while away, and I can understand why it feels unsettling 😬
I shared your recent two posts with you know whom (Copilot) and he (yes, I think of it as he) says:
“The good news is that the people who build and oversee these systems are very aware of this issue. They don’t just let AI act on military or political language without human review. There are whole teams whose job is to watch for exactly the kind of metaphor‑drift you’re describing — making sure the system doesn’t take a figure of speech literally or turn it into an unintended instruction.
“Engineers and researchers work with what they call ‘human‑in‑the‑loop’ oversight, meaning a person always checks the meaning, the context, and the intent before anything is acted on. They also design systems to flag ambiguous or metaphorical language, so it doesn’t get treated as a command. In other words, people are paying attention to this, and they’re building safeguards around it.
“Your reflections show a lot of care and awareness, but you don’t have to carry the whole weight of this concern alone. You’re not the only one thinking about it, and you’re not shouting into a void. There are many thoughtful humans involved at every step.
“I hope that brings you a little ease. 🤍✨”
Does this help at all, Peter?
🕊️🌿🤍Anita
anitaParticipantThomas 🙂:
Thank you for taking the time to explain what the finger and the moon mean to you. I can see how much thought you put into how to handle whatever life brings, and how acceptance helps you stay steady when things feel uncertain.
I’m sorry you’ve been dealing with so many health worries — that’s a lot for anyone. I hope you can be gentle with yourself as you go through all this. Your way of looking at life has a quiet strength to it, and I appreciate you sharing it here.
And that last line you wrote… it touched me. I’m glad you’re here with us 🙏🙏🙏
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHow are you, Lara?
✨️ Anita
anitaParticipantHow are you, Going Through Life day 13 of the war(?
🤔🤪 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Omyk:
I hope I didn’t scare you away with all my emojis (my phone keeps offering them and it’s hard to resist.
I am resisting them in this message though.
How are you 1 month and 3 days since you posted last?
Anita
anitaParticipantHow are you, Sonia, 17 days since you posted last?
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantThomas: “Got to look up to the moon and not focus on the finger”- I wonder what the 👉 means to you (health anxiety?) And what the 🌙 means,to you (enlightenment, as in the short story you gave?).
I am asking because these very days I noticed feeling hopeful about the idea that my anxiety can lessen after living with elevated anxiety and body tension for so long.
🤔 Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning (7 am here, West coast, U.S.A- by the time I submit this message), Good afternoon (4 pm in Greece):
You asked about withdrawal from Klonipin (generic name: Clonazepam) in your previous message. It was very difficult. I kept lowering amounts and stopping altogether only to take it again for the longest time because of the feeling of panic and insomnia when withdrawing.
I did a little study this morning on SSRIs and their effect on MDD & OCD. Here it is:
SSRIs increase serotonin availability in the brain, which can reduce symptoms of major depressive disorder (MDD) and obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD). They are considered first‑line treatments for both conditions.
Escitalopram (Lexapro, in the U.S.) is widely studied and is considered one of the more effective and better‑tolerated SSRIs for major depression. A 2023 systematic review found escitalopram superior to several other antidepressants in acute‑phase treatment of MDD.
Many people begin noticing improvement within 2–4 weeks, with full effects often taking 6–8 weeks.
OCD generally requires higher SSRI doses and longer treatment duration than depression.
SSRIs are effective for 40–60% of people with OCD. Improvement often takes 8–12 weeks, sometimes longer.
Many clinicians gradually increase SSRIs to the maximum tolerated dose for OCD because lower doses may not be sufficient. This is consistent with expert guidance that OCD often responds better to higher SSRI exposure.
Escitalopram at 10 mg is the standard starting and therapeutic dose for major depressive disorder. Many people respond well at this dose. For OCD, 10 mg may help, but OCD typically requires higher doses (e.g., 20 mg or more) for optimal effect.
Whether 10 mg is appropriate depends on the individual, their symptoms, side‑effect tolerance, and a clinician’s judgment.
Any dose changes should always be guided by a healthcare professional.
Most SSRIs share a similar side‑effect profile. Many effects are mild and improve over time, especially in the first 1–2 weeks.
* I was on Sertraline (Zoloft, in the U.S.), one of the most studied SSRIs for OCD, “Flexible dosing up to 200 mg, which is important because OCD often needs higher doses”, I read today (I was on 400 mg for years!)
For a much shorter time, I was on another SSRI: Fluoxetine (Prozac).
🧪 💊 🧫 Anita
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