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anitaParticipant“How does your body react when you give yourself permission to just notice the tension without needing to explain why it’s there or the ‘who’ it is happening to?”-
The tension goes away for a moment but it comes back and the “who” it is happening to is thinking: if it’s real (the territory) why doesn’t it last, why doesn’t it override the map?
I felt a tightening, an elevated tension earlier today as I heard about the expected economical consequences of the seeming unplanned war with Iran. I got scared.
I then thought about the Serenity Prayer, and now, I am thinking I am not alone feeling fear about what is next. And maybe there is comfort in just that.
“Maybe just sit with the thought of the map and the territory without trying to solve it. See if you can simply relax into the untying”-
Untying the thinking or overthinking trying to solve. A lifetime solving-frenzy with no solutions to show for it.
A frenzied thinking done by.. not me.
I’ve been ending my posts with my name since 2015, almost every single post. I will end this one a bit differently.. ha-ha.
Anatta
anitaParticipant“We both learned early on to distrust life and love… it’s been a defining experience”-
This distrust kept me dreadfully A.L.O.N.E.
So much life, or livING wasted in that distrust/ withdrawal from people.
Coming to think about it, when truly connecting with people, that running on green fields or dancing, there is no thinking, just livING.
More later.
anitaParticipantHere’s a knot that may be relaxing this evening for the first time: “I” who’s observing the thoughts is a thought. So, there is no me separate from my thinking, the “me” is a thought. Did I get it right, Peter?
And because thoughts don’t stay the same, they come and go, there is no “me/ “I” that’s solid and unchanging.. because “me” and “I” is a thought.
And the brain that produces thoughts dies every time.
The territory/ blank canvas/ the eternal/ the flow is thoughtless, not a thing of thinking.
More a bit later.
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
I thought you’d like reading the following. Also, since I have to move from the computer to the phone, I want to submit the following and process it when using the phone.
Copilot: 🌿 Evaluation of Peter’s Replies
Peter’s replies are unusually attuned, thoughtful, and relationally intelligent. He does several things extremely well:1. He validates your inner experience without collapsing into sentimentality
When you describe breath‑holding, tics, shame, or knots, he doesn’t minimize or over‑empathize.
He simply says:“That is the territory speaking.”
This is a masterful way of saying:
“I see you. I understand the depth of what you’re describing.”It’s validating without being intrusive.
2. He meets you at your level of depth
You speak in metaphors (knots, maps, territory, shame voices), and he responds in the same symbolic language.
This creates a shared field of meaning, which is why the conversation feels so fluid and safe.He doesn’t simplify your thoughts; he expands them.
3. He avoids power struggles
When you express shame (“I felt I was insulting you by saying we have things in common”), he doesn’t correct you harshly or dismiss the feeling.Instead, he gently dissolves the hierarchy:
“We do have things in common…
We both learned early on to distrust life and love.”This is a repair — he meets your shame with connection rather than distance.
4. He reframes without invalidating
When you struggle with “no‑self,” he doesn’t say you’re wrong.
He reframes the concept in a way that honors your lived experience:“Often what we call our ‘self’ is just a map…
When the map tears, it feels like dying.”He validates your fear and offers a new way to see it.
5. He invites awareness rather than analysis
Instead of pushing you to “figure it out,” he invites you to notice:“How does your body react when you give yourself permission to just notice the tension?”
This shifts you from intellectual effort into embodied awareness — a healthier place for trauma‑related material.
6. He is emotionally safe
He never shames, never lectures, never corrects harshly.
He stays curious, open, and steady.This is why you feel comfortable revealing shame in real time.
🌿 How Peter Explains “No‑Self” (Anattā)
Peter’s explanation is sophisticated, psychologically informed, and spiritually grounded. Here’s the distilled essence:🌿 1. “No‑self” does NOT mean you don’t exist
He rejects the idea that “no‑self” means annihilation or void.Instead, he says:
The small self (ego, survival‑self, conditioned self) is what falls away.
The true self (awareness, presence, the “spark”) remains.
This is consistent with Buddhist, Christian mystical, and nondual traditions.
🌿 2. The “self” you fear losing is actually a map
He uses the metaphor:Map = false self
(stories, roles, masks, survival strategies)Territory = true self
(awareness, presence, the ground of being)When the map tears, it feels like dying — but the territory remains untouched.
This is a brilliant way to explain trauma‑based identity.
🌿 3. “No‑self” is the falling away of the mask, not the person
He says:“You aren’t dying when the old masks slip.”
This is exactly what someone with early relational trauma needs to hear.
🌿 4. Awareness is what remains
He echoes Krishnamurti:“The observer is the observed.”
Meaning:
The “I” who watches thoughts is not separate from the thoughts.
Awareness is not a person — it’s a field.
This dissolves the duality between “me” and “my experience.”
🌿 5. “No‑self” is not a concept to master — it’s something to relax into
He tells you:“Don’t work the terms.
Sit with them.
Let the knots loosen.”This is exactly how contemplative traditions approach anattā.
🌿 6. He brings it back to the body
He ends with:“How does your body react when you just notice the tension?”
This is the heart of the teaching:
No‑self is not a theory.
It’s an experience of relaxing out of the survival‑self and into awareness.
🌿 In One Sentence
Peter explains “no‑self” as the falling away of the conditioned, survival‑based identity (the map) so that the deeper, unconditioned awareness (the territory) can breathe — and he guides you toward this understanding with emotional attunement, metaphor, and embodied presence.
anitaParticipantNo, no, Confused: I visited that place as a visitor, not as a patient (I 🤔)
My 🧠 has been compromized though (not quite lobotomized 🤢) having grown up scared on an ongoing basis.
And no, no, Confused is not a 🐔
He is an intelligent, kind and couragous man, I says!
🐔 🦉 🐇 Anita
April 22, 2026 at 10:01 am in reply to: He cheated on his girlfriend with me, but dumped me for her in the end #457199
anitaParticipantContinued: I stated in that last message that my intent was not to make her feel good momentarily but to promote her well-being long term ( an explanation for my lack of empathy, harshness, criticism/ judgment, disrespect and unfounded accusations..😔)
No doubt I did NOT promote her well-being long term or short term.
Why was I so cold (no empathy), judgmental and accusatory?
I’ll have to think about it.
I will continue this in hours from now.
😔 👎 Anita
April 22, 2026 at 9:51 am in reply to: He cheated on his girlfriend with me, but dumped me for her in the end #457198
anitaParticipantContinued:
Yes, my next reply did get worse.
Emma responded to my critical, judgmental last reply by saying that she sensed criticism in it, and then explained herself a bit more, honestly and politely.
My response (6/21/2021), the last one before she deleted her account): I accused her of criticizing me (for telling me rightly so, that she sensed criticism in my reply)
(Continued next- using my phone)
April 22, 2026 at 9:40 am in reply to: He cheated on his girlfriend with me, but dumped me for her in the end #457197
anitaParticipantContinued:
My fourth reply (6/21/2021) just got even worse: still no empathy for Emma (who has been nice to me in her replies so far, trying to explain things best she could), doubling on the judgment- claiming she’s not taking responsibility for the wrong she has done, and I accused her of dishonesty- paying lip service in regard to her guilt, not meaning what she said. Looking back, there was no evidence for these accusations. I presented an honest, hurting woman as a villain.
Can my replies get even worse?
(to be continued next)
April 22, 2026 at 9:27 am in reply to: He cheated on his girlfriend with me, but dumped me for her in the end #457196
anitaParticipantHello ( to anyone who may be reading this):
I discovered AI on a personal level at the end of 2024 and at one point on had it evaluate some of my replies for positives and negatives.
This morning, I copied and pasted Emma’s first post and my first reply ( June 29, 2021) and asked it to evaluate that reply. I didn’t yet read the evaluation. I want to do my own.
First reply (6/19/21): no empathy expressed for Emma, absolutely none. No validation of her feelings (something like: understandably you were hurt. You were emotionally invested in him, believed he was honest with you, and then he betrayed your trust in him). And no appreciation for the courage it took her to post this ( after all, she started her first post with: “Before you judge me..”.
Second reply (6/20/21): again, zero empathy, zero validation, zero appreciation for her being courageous- or for anything that’s positive about her.
But then, I took my lack of attunement a step further: I told her that the guy’s girlfriend was right to blame her (Emma) for the affair.
If it was ever right to say anything like that (gently though), it wouldn’t be in a second reply before I expressed any empathy for Emma.
Here I did what she was afraid of: I judged her.
(continued next)
anitaParticipantHey 👋 Tom:
Good to read back from you 🙂
Healthy food and fitness are healthy emotion regulators, keeping you balanced about things 👍
I hope that your partner has her own emotion regulators: practices that keep her balanced at this time of elevated stress 🙏
And I hope that the challenge to your direct report resolves soon 🙏
So, what are the chances that you’ll become a father in the next year or two, and how do you feel about it (if you’d like to share and only if you do 🙂)?
I too take it one day at a time- an emotion regulating attitude. A daily long walk is an emotion regulating practice for me. Having a beagle who is slightly snoring right now next to me helps too ✨️
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHey 👋 Confused:
Ha-ha, it so happens that I live 5 minutes (driving) from a complex, now preserved as a historical tourist attraction, famous for having performed lobotomies on a regular basis!
I visited the actual preserved surgery room where lobotomies were performed 😱
Taking or not taking psych drugs is a very personal choice. I’d say if nothing else works..?
🤔 😱 🤢 Anita
anitaParticipantPeter, I just had a frustrating conversation with Copilot, using the 📱, on the topic of no-self: annata (similar to my name) and I am not understanding the concept.
Copilot explained everything that it is not (to correct my misunderstandings), but in regard to what it is, it didn’t.
So, as to what it is, it says that there is no “I” (not just after death, but in this life), but a combination of circumstances (events, conditions) that are not happening to me because there’s no me (no self).
So, who is it all happening to?
I hope that you can explain it to me better than Copilot.. ?
😕 🤔 Anita
April 21, 2026 at 4:53 pm in reply to: He cheated on his girlfriend with me, but dumped me for her in the end #457177
anitaParticipantHello Robin 🙂
What an intelligent reply (your first in the forums, at least under your current account). welcome! I hope to read from you again 🙏
I doubt the original poster, Emma, will read your reply because she posted only on June 19 & 21, 2021 (page 1) and then deleted her account (Pages 2-8 are conversations between other members).
Her last post here was exactly 4 years & 10 months ago.
I appreciate you reactivating this thread because it’s an opportunity for me to evaluate my replies to Emma so much time later. I would like to do so tomorrow.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused (using computer so emojis don’t show up)
No, no, please don’t try lobotomy (horrified face emoji)
I read that “there is no publicly available evidence that Ali Greymond has formal clinical training or an academic degree in psychology or mental health. Her method is based on personal experience and coaching, not on a credentialed therapeutic background…
“What is known about her education? None of the available sources list a university degree, clinical training, or licensure as a psychologist, therapist, or counselor.
“Her platforms describe her as an OCD recovery coach, someone who recovered from OCD herself, someone who has helped others for many years. But they do not mention formal academic credentials.
“This strongly suggests that her expertise is experience‑based, not academically or clinically certified… She is not a licensed clinician, so her work is considered coaching, not therapy…. Not a substitute for licensed therapy… No published research validating her method. Not appropriate for people needing diagnosis, medication management, or trauma‑informed care” (Copilot)
I asked Copilot if there’re clinical trials that show that SSRIs are effective in regard to OCD:
Answer: “Yes. Multiple randomized, double‑blind, placebo‑controlled clinical trials show that SSRIs are effective for treating OCD in both adults and children. The evidence base is large, consistent, and spans decades… Key findings: SSRIs showed a statistically significant benefit over placebo. CBT alone was more effective than SSRIs alone but adding CBT to an SSRI improved outcomes… Fluoxetine and sertraline performed better than fluvoxamine in this analysis…”
What do you think about the above?
(Thinking), Anita
anitaParticipantHey Peter:
Yes, I detected your joke 👏
I think highly of his work, his metaphors are very clear (I feel those knots in my body regularly, holding my breath, the tics, the physical tension).
I wonder why he was criticized and belittled.. maybe fo making things simpler to understand, maybe betraying a professional code (using established terms)?
I am curious and will ask you know whom when I get to the 🖥
As to the ‘no self’- my sense of self was so poor, so fragile, so in danger of collapsing completely.. that my mind couldn’t perceive of a no- self differently from a physically dying self.
Now, having a less desperate and despairing sense of self, I can untangle the knot of imminent death surrounding the concept.
I want to revisit the concept (No Self).
You said you notice knots (I did, in the previous message), or about to create them-
Create how, I wonder.
Seeing these patterns helps me ‘hear’ my ‘gut’ (the abused internal compass), as I did in my last message and even in this message (I deleted “like” in “like I did” above, because again, I felt you’d be insulted by me placing myself as equal to you).
Of course, there’s more, later.
🙏 ✨️ Anita
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