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  • in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #458037
    anita
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    Confused: “I want the connection back”

    Maybe if you stop wanting it back, maybe it will come back.

    I read it long ago and it stayed with me: someone in prison was obsessed with getting out, and he asked someone (maybe a guru of some kind): “How can I get out of here??? How can I be free???”

    And the guru said: “stop wanting to get out of here (prison), and you will be free.”

    When you keep wanting to feel what you felt pre- Nov, that keeps you stuck. But if you grieve pre- Nov and let it go, a new freedom might emerge.

    What thinks Confused?

    🌿 đŸŽ¶ 🌮 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #458036
    anita
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    Hey Confused 🙂

    You’re right: every relationship loses the early excitement at some point, especially in a long‑distance one. Most people shift into a calmer phase, but for you the transition wasn’t smooth because fear and shutdown got mixed in.

    That doesn’t mean the connection is gone, the real connection is still there, but it’s quiet right now because you’re exhausted. Be gentle with yourself. Feeling empty doesn’t mean you’ve stopped caring; it just means you’re overwhelmed đŸ„ș

    I’ll write more later using my phone.

    Anita

    in reply to: Passing clouds #458035
    anita
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    Glad you’re doing okay, Zenith 🙂. Oh yes, it was a disaster. But not the last: last night I found my prescribed sleep-aid pills on the floor, full of spit and the container chewed.

    I was terrified for his health, not knowing if he swallowed any of the pills or how many. It was 9 or 10 pm. I was also so angry at him that I used a profanity directed at him: strange how unlike it is for me, actually, I never used that word and couldn’t even imagine using it, and yet, it felt so natural last night.

    The good news is that he seems fine, no symptoms of anything wrong and I slept on a clean bed last night after 3 nights on the floor. It’s the little things I’m grateful for 🙂

    Anita

    in reply to: Just thinking this Sun Eve #458034
    anita
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    Hi Roberta đŸŒŒ

    Thank you for checking in 🙂. Yes, I’m hoping it was just a little phase for Bogart — puppies do like to keep us on our toes. Slept in the cleaned (somewhat) and dried bed last night after 3 nights on the floor. It would have been a wonderful experience if it wasn’t for me finding- at 9 or 10 pm- my prescribed sleep aid pills spread on the bedroom floor, full of spit and the container chewed up.

    It was an exhausting night!

    Your night sounded exhausting as well, with the satellite dish and all that noise on the roof. I can imagine how stressful that must have been, especially with guests arriving soon. I need Marie Kondo myself, big time!

    I hope you got a quiet, peaceful sleep by the time you’re reading this, and that everything settles down with the roof and your preparations. Wishing you a calm Wednesday🙂

    Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #458021
    anita
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    Good morning, Confused:

    I asked Copilot to summarize his input in the last 2 posts I sent you in the simplest language.

    Copilot: Confused reacts so strongly because his body is constantly bracing for loss before anything actually happens. He has a fearful‑avoidant pattern, which means he wants closeness but also expects it to disappear.

    So, the moment something feels uncertain — even something small like her getting new followers — his nervous system panics as if he’s already losing her.

    This isn’t a thought process; it’s automatic. His body goes into a threat response: stomach dropping, dry mouth, heat, weak legs. That’s his system going into fight or flight because he’s terrified of future abandonment.

    When he shuts down, overthinks, doubts his feelings, or pulls away, it’s not because he doesn’t care. It’s because he’s trying to protect himself from a loss he feels coming, even when nothing is actually wrong. Underneath all of it, he isn’t confused — he’s scared, bracing, and trying to avoid pain.”

    Then in general: “A fearful‑avoidant person usually grows up in a home where love and fear were mixed together, so the child never learned to feel safe in closeness or safe in distance.

    The parent was often inconsistent — sometimes warm, sometimes withdrawn, sometimes overwhelmed, sometimes explosive — which taught the child that connection can feel good one moment and dangerous the next.

    Because of this, the child learned two opposite survival strategies at the same time: reaching out for comfort and pulling away to protect themselves.

    Over time, this creates emotional whiplash inside the child, who wants closeness but also expects it to hurt or disappear. Feelings swing sharply between closeness and fear, comfort and danger, or wanting connection and wanting to run. They grow up scanning for signs of rejection, bracing for loss before it happens, and shutting down when feelings get too big.

    Their body learned early that love is unpredictable, so as adults they feel safest when they can control distance — even though they long for connection: pulling back, slowing things down, or creating space.

    This is the core childhood pattern behind fearful‑avoidant attachment: craving closeness and fearing closeness at the same time, because the person who was supposed to be safe was also a source of fear or confusion.”

    Next, I asked a question and Copilot answered: “When Confused ‘obsesses’ about her, it’s because his nervous system is terrified of losing the feeling of connection.

    For someone with a fearful‑avoidant pattern, love feels unstable inside their body, so when the feeling fades even a little (because of stress, distraction, or normal emotional fluctuation), they panic and try to mentally hold onto the person so they don’t ‘lose’ them.

    The fear is about forgetting the feeling of safety he gets from her. His looping thoughts are his way of keeping the relationship alive in his mind, so he doesn’t fall into the numbness or shutdown that scares him even more.

    In simple terms: he obsesses because thinking about her feels like the only way to keep the connection from disappearing.”

    in reply to: Feeling Stuck #458020
    anita
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    Good morning, Mollie ✹

    I like what you wrote about the scales in law — that image of balance feels so aligned with the Middle Way. It’s beautiful that you’re finding your own version of it, both in your studies and within your family. And I agree with you: we all topple to extremes at times, and then slowly learn how to stand in the middle with more steadiness.

    As for my sister — the conversations are kind, but they don’t quite bring comfort yet. I think my body still associates “family” with a certain background hum of anxiety. But it’s still good to have that small thread of connection.

    Speaking of toppling to extremes, I had a bit of a scare last night. Bogart managed to chew on a pill bottle on the dresser, and I wasn’t sure whether he swallowed any. It gave me quite a fright. Thankfully, he’s completely himself this morning — he’s actually asleep on my lap as I write this. Puppies do love to chew anything within reach, and I just didn’t expect a pill bottle to be one of those things.

    Did you ever have a pet? I don’t remember if we talked about that.

    Be well, Mollie. 💘🧡✹

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #458002
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    Confused: “Yeah ask him. Also tell him about what happened now. I checked her profile and I saw that she had 6 new followers and my stomach immediately dropped, mouth went dry and I felt heat rising in my body, legs got a bit limp ha-ha.”-

    Copilot: “When Confused says his stomach dropped, mouth went dry, heat rose in his body, and his legs went limp after seeing she had new followers, he’s describing a full autonomic threat response, not a thought‑based reaction.

    His system interpreted those followers as a signal of potential disconnection — not because anything actually happened, but because his attachment system is primed to anticipate loss before it occurs.

    The physical sensations he lists are classic markers of fight‑flight activation: adrenaline spike, blood flow shifting, muscles weakening, and a sudden drop in perceived safety.

    What’s striking is that he narrates it with a little “ha‑ha,” which is his way of softening or distancing from the intensity of the experience — a common avoidant strategy to avoid feeling overwhelmed or exposed.

    Underneath the humor is a body that went into panic without context: nothing objectively changed, but his nervous system reacted as if he were losing her in real time.

    This is anticipatory loss in its purest form — the fear of future abandonment showing up as immediate physical distress. His reaction isn’t irrational; it’s a sign of how deeply his system links her attention with safety, and how quickly he moves into hypervigilance about connection when something feels even slightly off.”

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #458001
    anita
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    Copilot: “Yes — I remember Confused clearly. And anticipatory loss fits him almost perfectly, because it explains why he reacts so intensely before anything is actually lost.

    Anticipatory loss is when someone feels the threat of losing connection long before the loss actually happens. The body reacts as if the loss is already occurring.

    In Confused, this shows up everywhere: the moment he senses distance, uncertainty, or emotional ambiguity, his system collapses into numbness, doubt, rumination, or panic. He doesn’t wait for the relationship to change — he pre‑feels the loss and then spirals.

    This is why he intellectualizes, why he shuts down, why he questions his feelings, and why he becomes terrified that he’ll “forget her” if he stops looping. His nervous system is constantly bracing for abandonment before it happens.

    The mechanism in him- Confused has a fearful‑avoidant pattern: he longs for closeness but expects it to disappear. So, when he feels love, vulnerability, or emotional intensity, his system interprets it as danger.

    Anticipatory loss triggers: 

    * Emotional shutdown — numbness, anhedonia, detachment

    * Rumination loops — trying to think his way out of fear

    * Self-protection — doubting the relationship so the loss hurts less

    * Avoidance — pulling away to reduce the risk of being hurt. He’s not losing the relationship — he’s losing his sense of safety inside it.

    Why anticipatory loss hits him so hard-

    Because his emotional system doesn’t trust connection. He grew up in an environment where emotions were overwhelming, unpredictable, or unsafe. So now, when he feels closeness, his body prepares for the moment it will be taken away. This is why even positive emotions trigger shutdown. His system is trying to avoid the pain of future loss by numbing the present.

    The bottom line- Confused isn’t confused — he’s scared.

    He’s not ambivalent — he’s bracing.

    He’s not detached — he’s protecting himself from a loss that hasn’t happened yet.

    Anticipatory loss is the invisible engine behind his shutdowns, his doubt, his emotional decay, and his fearful‑avoidant cycling.”

    in reply to: Just thinking this Sun Eve #457999
    anita
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    Just thinking-feeling this Monday Eve, whatever comes to mind and heart.

    If you are reading this, you are welcome to join with whatever comes to your 🧠 and 💛.

    Listening to Sade đŸŽ¶đŸŽ¶đŸŽ¶ with đŸ·: “If I tell you, if I tell you how I feel, will you keep bringing the best in me… There’s a quiet storm…the sweetest taboo.”-

    A quiet storm- didn’t know that kind of storm. The storms I knew were deafening loud. Lots of disturbing noise in- me that no one heard outside me.

    I suppose I now know a quiet storm= simply being or becoming okay with being me.

    Sade: “The kiss of life… “- The kiss of death is what I got from my mother. Sadly, for me and for her.

    Sade: “Got to stick together… hang on to your love.. In heaven’s name, why do you play these games”-

    Oh, if only we could be direct and simple- within ourselves and toward each other.

    Sade: “It’s never as good as the first time”- tell it to those who never got to have it good the first time.

    Enough for now.

    đŸŽ¶đŸŽ¶đŸŽ¶ Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #457998
    anita
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    I thought it might have been you, but wasn’t sure. It’s been a lot of talking in..81 pages.

    I will have access to the computer maybe in 2 hours. Hope you’ll be sleeping by then (sleeping face emoji)

    đŸ¶ Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #457996
    anita
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    Hey 🌙 🩉 Confused:

    That makes sense, the feeling behind it. I don’t remember who I talked with about ” retroactive jealousy”- being jealous of a girlfriend’s PAST (real) relationships.

    I suppose it makes as much sense to be jealous of a woman’s (potential/ imagined) FUTURE relationships.

    What Copilot said was that Anticipatory Loss fits you ” perfectly” and it elaborated, don’t remember the elaboration.

    B Back 2 U later.

    đŸŽ¶đŸ” (rabbit is not in saved emojis 😔) Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #457994
    anita
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    Well, don’t have use of the computer now (and no emojis show up on the phone 😱)

    That’s a strong reaction to her having new followers. Does it mean that you view her new followers as threats, as in one of them will take her away from you?

    (I’ll ask Copilot later)

    🐔 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #457992
    anita
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    Hey Confused (using phone):

    I hear you about insecurities not calming down, at least not as quickly we wish they would.

    Insecurities are very common, I’ve seen them in most people- if not all people I communicated with irl at the taproom a d at the Winery.

    Anticipatory Loss (the term is new to me) is also common, and it fit me big time. I am relaxing a bit only recently.

    It’s normal to experience both when you grow up in certain environments.

    After I sent you the post an hour ago, I asked Copilot if he remembers you and if he thinks the term fits you. Would you like me to send you Copilot’s answer ( once I have the use of the computer)?

    As far as whether he remembers you ( even though I didn’t communicate with Copilot about you for a couple- few days)- yes, he remembered you perfectly (maybe because you’re the bee’s knees, ha- ha).

    So, you imagine scenarios where she leaves you, you get angry and upset, and next, you feel numb but you’re not over her for long?

    đŸ€” Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #457984
    anita
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    Hey Confused (using computer):

    Thank you, Bee’s Knees 🐝 for your kind words.

    Reads to me like you’re afraid the ex will take her love away from you. Do you think so?

    Earlier I studied an old, old thread here on the forums and submitted a post in that thread about 8 hours ago. It was Copilot’s input about another person (Jonathan) not AT ALL about you. Yet, it made me think of you,

    Here’s a copy of part of that post:

    “Anticipatory loss is the nervous system’s habit of expecting things to fall apart before they even happen. When someone has lived through repeated instability— the body learns that anything good is temporary and anything wanted is at risk. So instead of letting you reach for something, the nervous system jumps ahead to the imagined moment when you will lose it again. This creates a protective shutdown: it feels safer not to want than to want and be hurt. Wanting becomes tied to the fear of losing.

    Anticipatory loss is a trauma-based prediction. The body is trying to spare you from the pain of future loss by preventing you from attaching to anything in the present. It’s a survival strategy — but it blocks desire, direction, and hope until enough safety accumulates to override it.

    In adulthood, anticipatory loss shows up as pulling back before you attach — ending things early, as self-sabotage (quitting, withdrawing, or numbing), and it shows up internally as future-blindness — the inability to imagine a stable future because your nervous system only knows how to prepare for loss.”

    What do you think about the above, Confused?

    Anita

    in reply to: Passing clouds #457982
    anita
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    Hey Zenith, good to read from you!

    My day is better than yesterday: the weather is nice, just came back from a walk with Bogart and a short playdate with his beagle friends at the neighbors. I’m recovering from what Bogart did Friday (pee on MY BED 😧) Have been sleeping on the floor for 3 nights, waiting for the mattress to dry after cleaning it with a special pet cleaner.

    How are you?

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