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anitaParticipantDear Tee:
And I am thrilled to get your message đ đ đ. I read it repeatedly and copied it for my records for keeping. I will reply further in the morning.
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anitaParticipantDouble posting, Gerard. I will read and reply to your 2nd recent post in a few hours đ
anitaParticipantDear Gerard:
A limerence with a small “l”, funny, the way you say it.
“The real drive is to find new meaning and purpose in retirement… I am a deep thinker, I consider and reflect , seeking meaning and understanding. I know I am becoming spiritual. First, seeking to understand my life, who know where it will lead me”- I am curious as to where your deep thinking and growing spirituality will be leading you.
Would love to continue to witness the process..!!!
Anita
anitaParticipantHi Alessa:
I am feeling emotional- in a good way- about your message right above, it’s so kind, so generous, so.. I feel honored to receive it, fortunate, really! It’s just beautiful đ
“If there is anything else at all I can do. I would be happy to. đ€”- thank you, and same here: If there is anything else at all I can do for you, Alessa, if something I say- or how I say it, is a trigger for you, please let me know đ đ€
“Checked out another nursery. Iâm not sure which one to pick.”- I just asked my AI source (just in case it could possibly help):
“The best way to choose a nursery for a 2âyearâold is to focus on safety, staff quality, environment, and emotional fit â and to reassure the mother by involving her in visits and decisions so she feels confident.
“Key Factors to Consider- *Safety and cleanliness: Check that the nursery has secure entry, childâproofed spaces, and clear hygiene practices. * Staff qualifications and warmth: Look for trained earlyâyears educators who are patient, nurturing, and genuinely enjoy being with toddlers. * Environment: The space should feel welcoming, with ageâappropriate toys, outdoor play areas, and opportunities for exploration.
* Structure vs. flexibility: At age 2, children thrive with routines but also need freedom to play. A good nursery balances both. * Communication with parents: Staff should provide regular updates, be approachable, and respect the motherâs concerns.
* Ratios: Ensure there are enough adults per child (often 1:4 for 2âyearâolds) so each child gets attention.
* Gut feeling: Sometimes the most important factor is whether the mother feels comfortable and senses her child will be happy there….
“Itâs natural for a parent to feel anxious about leaving a 2âyearâold in someone elseâs care. To ease that:… * Trial sessions: Many nurseries offer short ‘settling in’ visits so the child adjusts gradually…* Trust building: Meeting caregivers and watching them interact with children can reassure her.
“Everyday Example- Imagine two nurseries: One has bright rooms, attentive staff, and children happily engaged in play. Another feels crowded, with staff distracted and little communication. Even if both are safe, the first will ease the motherâs anxiety because she sees her child thriving there.
“Simplest Summary- Choosing a nursery is about more than convenience â itâs about finding a safe, nurturing place where the child can grow and where the mother feels reassured. Visiting, asking questions, and starting gradually can transform anxiety into confidence.”
I then asked about the specific concern you expressed some time ago. Answer:
“Here are some general, supportive steps that can help her feel safer and more empowered when choosing a nursery:
Practical Safeguards- Ask directly about policies: Nurseries should have clear safeguarding policies for intimate care (like diaper changes). She can ask how staff are trained, how procedures are supervised, and how privacy and dignity are maintained.
“Check staff ratios and transparency: A good nursery will ensure more than one adult is present in areas where children are changed, or will have open, visible spaces rather than closed rooms.
“Look for accreditation/licensing: Licensed nurseries are required to follow strict childâprotection standards. She can ask to see inspection reports.
“Observe interactions: Visiting during the day and watching how staff interact with children can help her see whether care is gentle, respectful, and professional.
“Communication: Ask how the nursery keeps parents informed (daily reports, apps, verbal updates) so she feels connected to whatâs happening…”.
I hope something in the above is helpful.
Your anxiety is understandable, Alessa. I know that you are doing your very best for your son!
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anitaParticipantDear Gerard:
Thank you!
As I read your today’s message, the term Limerence occurred to me for the first time in regard to you. I wonder if this will resonate with you to one extent or another, partly or fully, in regard to your long-gone relationships:
(Online): “Limerence is an involuntary state of intense romantic infatuation, marked by obsessive thoughts, longing for reciprocation, and emotional dependency on another person. It feels overwhelming, often ecstatic and anxious at the same time, and is usually oneâsided… The person of focus is called the âlimerent objectâ (LO).
“Unlike ordinary attraction, limerence is driven by uncertainty: Does this person feel the same way?
“Key Features- * Intrusive thoughts: Constant, involuntary thinking about the LO. * Idealization: Irrationally positive evaluation of their qualities, overlooking flaws. * Emotional dependency: Mood swings based on perceived signs of reciprocation. * Longing for reciprocation: The central desire is not just to love, but to be loved back. * Physical/emotional intensity: Can feel euphoric when hopeful, or deeply distressed when uncertain…
“Everyday Example- Someone might develop limerence for a person from their past, a colleague, or even someone they barely know. They replay interactions endlessly..”-
It says right there: “a person from their past”.
What do you think, Gerard?
Anita
anitaParticipantHi Allessa:
“Iâm glad to hear that you are feeling calmer today. Enjoy your break from the topic. đ€”- thank you, Alessa. I heard some disturbing news last night but still having a calmer day, reading and processing spiritual principles recently is helping me.
“Yes, I switched to blue hearts for you. đ”- I had no expectation that you’ll stop using red hearts in communication with other members. The possibility didn’t even cross my mind once, and when I saw you using blue hearts.. I wondered about the reason. Only later (maybe as late as reading the message I am responding to), did I realize you did it for me!
Actually, I hoped but didn’t expect you (or Tee) to stop using red hearts in communication with me after expressing my feelings about it.
Again, it goes back to childhood. I had about zero experience being accommodated by my mother, so I still don’t expect it, sometimes like with the hearts emojis- it didn’t even register that I was accommodated!
Thank you so much, Alessa!!!
“I donât like making mistakes. The white ones are harder for me to see when Iâm tired…”- It’s perfectly okay with me that you don’t post white hearts because they are difficult to see. Also, it’s okay to make mistakes, Alessa. So, if you post a red heart in a message to me, I will understand. And of course, it’d be okay with me that you post red hearts to other members. In no way do I want to be controlling.
How are you today?
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anitaParticipantThomas, I just had to tell you that your line “⊠Sorry, lost track of what I was saying. I just had a Senior moment. Where was I ? Never mind. Maybe I should erase this? Ah fudge. Sorry.” placed the first actual smile on my face this morning. You are positively hilarious at times, thank you đ
Alessa: I too take things literally, and it was only yesterday- when I did my study on Advaita Vedanta- that I stopped being confused regarding this topic. So, when James said “you actually never did protect your child”, he meant (I hope!) that in the context of the eternal, Ultimate Truth, or Ultimate Reality (pure consciousness, where a body and mind do not exist), you can’t protect anyone.. because there’s no body or mind to protect.
But in the context of the temporary truth, or conventional reality of your every day life, of course you have protected your son every step of the way and will continue to do so best you can đ
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anitaParticipantAnother double posting, Peter (this time only 3 minutes apart). I am taking a Tao break (just a joke đ) and will get back to you later.
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
I submitted the above before becoming aware that you submitted another post (13 minutes before I submitted mine).
Here you are saying that the Tao (the Way, the underlying reality) canât be captured in words or concepts. Words like âsilence,â âstillness,â or âeternalâ are just pointers â they gesture toward a mystery you can only experience, not define.
What feels like âdarknessâ isnât emptiness â itâs a fertile space where new life and possibilities are quietly forming.
Walking the âpathless pathâ means letting go of the need for answers, and resting in trust that the mystery carries me forward.
True wisdom isnât about knowing everything â itâs about being okay with not knowing.
True freedom isnât about getting everything I want â itâs about being content without depending on desires being met. Imagine a bird flying in the sky: if it believes freedom means owning every tree, every worm, every nest, it will always feel anxious â because it canât have them all. But if it realizes freedom is simply the open sky itself, it no longer needs to possess anything. Itâs already free, because nothing can take the sky away.
The sky in this example is the Tao (The Way and the ultimate reality in Taoism), the Brahman (Hinduism), Nirvana (Buddhism), and God (Western Traditions).
Back to your message, Peter:
Faith= âluminous darknessâ: trusting that even when I canât see the way, the Tao is guiding me, and so, the âdark nightâ isnât something scary â itâs sacred.
What dissolves when a person is truly free is the illusion of separation â the false belief that I am a self standing outside the flow. My past chronic sense of separation, confusion, or grasping has been like mist or waves â decades long appearances (but still temporary) that obscured deeper reality, that of belonging and being part-of the mountain, the ocean, the Tao.
* Grasping (defined): the mental habit of trying to hold onto experiences, possessions, or identities as if they were permanent.
Clouds are real, but they donât mean the sun disappeared. The illusion is believing that the sun has disappeared; thinking that passing appearances are the whole truth. Tao is the enduring reality beneath them.
“The Way cannot be possessed, only trusted. It is not a road but a rhythm, not a map but a mystery. To speak of Tao is to trace the outline of what cannot be named. To listen for Tao is to rest in the space before thought. To walk with Tao is to trust the pathless path, where dissolving and arising are one movement, and where all that is hidden reveals itself in its own time.”-
Beautifully said, if I may say so. You are a very talented.. Flow Writer.
I would be interested to read more from you Peter about how to trust the Tao, in practical terms.
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anitaParticipant* Hi Thomas: I was wondering if you read the message I addressed to you 2 days ago (Dec 6) right above? It may be that you didn’t notice it.
Hi Peter:
In your 2nd message yesterday (the one you addressed to everyone) you expressed (I am paraphrasing and will use the 1st person) that peace and flow donât come from trying harder. They come when I stop forcing, relax, and let life express itself through me. Then rules and techniques donât disappear; they become so deeply part of me that my actions flow naturally.
Developing my thoughts: your phrase âheaven beneath our feetâ is a poetic way of saying that the sacred/ peace/ ultimate reality isnât somewhere far away â itâs already present right here, in ordinary life. You’re rejecting the idea that heaven (or peace, or enlightenment) is something you reach later, after effort or achievement. Instead, itâs always underfoot â part of each step, each moment.
I donât âclimb upâ to heaven; I simply notice the ground I’m already walking on. Itâs like walking in a beautiful garden while worrying about finding paradise somewhere else. The moment I stop searching, I realize paradise is already under my feet â the grass, the earth, the present moment.
When serious problems arise, âheaven beneath our feetâ would mean remembering that peace and clarity are already here. By relaxing into that presence, my actions become more natural, less forced, and often more effective. When facing a problem, I need to remind myself: I canât fix everything today, but I can take one clear step. And I need to pause and rest so to not make big decisions in the heat of panic.
Rushing to fix is like thrashing in quicksand â the harder I flail, the deeper I sink. It’s trying to fix everything at once and making decisions in the heat of panic,, being panicâdriven and reactive while Flow is calm, present, and allows the next right step to emerge naturally, one step at a time.
And now, to your most recent post. Here you’re saying that Flow doesnât mean shutting down my emotions or pretending I donât care. It means to feel whatâs already here, but not to pile extra struggle on top. For example: If I feel grief, let myself feel it. But donât add the mental fight like âthis shouldnât have happenedâ or âI wish I could change the past.â
Nonâattachment= not clinging to what canât be changed, not fighting reality.
I can still feel sadness, still care deeply, still honor what mattered to me, and at the same time, let go of the argument with reality/ stop the inner fight like âthis shouldnât have happenedâ or âI must undo it.â/ stop endlessly resisting what already happened and cannot be changed.
You added that selfâapproval reduces selfâcriticism, and therefore, it’s helpful. But if you tie it too tightly to âflow,â it can become another form of striving â like trying to score points for being good at flowing. Flow is just noticing feelings without effort, without grading myself.
“For tonight: take one slow exhale. Notice one thing you did today that came naturally. Let your body settle.
May you have a good Tao night of sleep and rest. Amen.”- Thank you for and for the 2 messages I processed in this post and for the excellent advice, will do tonight. Actually, will do today. You are a good Flow Instructor, Peter đđđđ€ Anita
anitaParticipantDear me:
I can see that youâre really drawn to her and that you enjoy talking with her. Looks like she sometimes gives you positive signals (like staying longer to chat), but other times she pulls back (like leaving the break room). That mix can be confusing.
Since sheâs a coworker, itâs worth being careful â workplace relationships can get complicated fast.
If you feel she only sees you as a friend and you donât want another friendship, it might be healthier to step back before you get more invested. If she truly wants more, sheâll make that clear in her own way. In the meantime, you can enjoy the connection without any expectations.
What do you think, me?
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anitaParticipantHi Peter:
I just noticed the message you addressed to me a bit more than 4 hours ago, thank you! I will answer Mon morning. I do hope to have a Tao night..
anitaParticipantThank you, Alessa, I am out of focus, I will reply to you in the morning (Sun evening here).
anitaParticipantDear me: I didn’t notice your message until just now.. and am not focused enough to give you my opinion. I’ll get back to you first thing Mon morning, please add any more information that can help me understand better before I’m back to you in the morning.
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anitaParticipantDear Tee:
“I hope this means youâre touched with what I wrote about finding your true self, and believing, finally, that youâre a good and worthy person đ€ Finally accepting the truth of who you are đ”-
Believing, finally.. that I am “a good and worthy person”- reads almost too good to be true, these words being about me, that is. I want to add these words to my daily mantra, “I am a good and worthy person”.
“It seems youâre in the middle of the grieving process (denial, anger, and now depression), and that acceptance is still hard, because it seems like a great loss. And yes, itâs a significant loss, in which you lost a way of life that you cherished so much.”-
I am glad to report to you, Tee, that the depression has lifted today (a relief!!!). I haven’t been at the now former Winery for the 2nd day, and I don’t expect to be there again. It’ll be a place for horses, no longer a public place.. No reason or purpose.. nor would it be legal for me to be there (without permission from the new owner or owners, 1 or 2 people).
A few days ago, I expressed a desire to have the wooden sign outside the (former) Winery, a sign that’s attached to the outside of the building with screws which I can’t remove, at the entrance to the building. It says the name of the winery and it has an “Open” and “Closed” removable part, which I have turned from “Closed” to “Open” and back to “Closed” numerous times.
Yesterday, later in the day, I received the whole sign as a gift. I was thrilled! That sign has been there for about TWENTY ONE years, ever since this Winery has been open to the public.. and it has meant so much to a lot of people.
The Sign is Mine..!!!
“But even as it is hard and painful, I donât consider it a devastating loss, because you still have all your capacities, including your health, to turn a new page and use your skills and talents in a new endeavor.”-
Well, I am glad to report to you, Tee, that after the lowest day I had yesterday; today I completed the 3.5 mile walk I used to take before the Winery (and rarely during the Winery), and after the walk I spent 2.5 hours doing some desperately needed cleaning and organizing work in the kitchen.. Just the very beginning, so much more needs to be done.
Later on, after the cleaning+, I want to be involved in some volunteer work.. maybe helping older people who are facing the end of life.. Like in a nursery home.
“Youâre now trying to soothe your pain with alcohol, but itâs never a good choice. I think thatâs how you can really harm yourself. Try to sit with your pain instead, breathe through it, stay present, and perhaps tell yourself an affirmation, something like youâve been already doing:… Perhaps come up with another mantra or affirmation for this grieving process, something that will anchor you in your true self (kind, loving, hard-working, helpful). This may help you focus on what youâve gained, not what youâve lost. đ€ đ”-
Mantra: “I am a good and worthy person. I am a kind, loving, hard working and helpful”.. Too many adjectives.
What I have gained in these last 4 years is self-worth/ a positive self-image. It makes ALL the difference, Tee!
“Youâve said some very important things about the nature of your involvement with the Winery:.. I hear you⊠you never thought you were competent of worthy to be in charge, to make big, financial decisions. To be an owner. You felt better in the role of a helper â helping the owner(s), but not feeling good enough to offer your opinion, i.e. participate in decision making.
“And yeah, thatâs typical for people with lack of self-worth. Iâve experienced it too: I felt incompetent to say things, offer ideas for improvement, in a place Iâve worked for a while. The place later went out of business, due to poor management, and I regretted Iâve never said anything⊠perhaps it wouldnât have made a difference, but perhaps it would. Anyway, it was too late, the place was closed.”-
SAME HERE, Tee, just what I feel!
“And Iâve later realized I was operating on a false belief that I have nothing of value to say. That my ideas and opinions are not important. That nobody would care what I have to say. Well, in this particular company perhaps the leadership wouldnât care, but still, I would have felt better if I did say it. But it was my lack of self-worth that prevented me⊔-
I am reading and responding to each part of your post before reading the next part, and what you’re saying is.. as if I said it myself!
“And thatâs why Iâm very happy that youâve decided to never again silence yourself, negate yourself, consider yourself a non-entity: “I promise you, Tee- I will never again consider myself a non-entity in a mini-world where others know better. No! I do know better!!!” Thatâs fantastic to hear! I hope this will be another of your motives and principles in the future: to not annul yourself, but to be a subject in your own life. Not only a helper, but also a creator of your own destiny.”-
Oh, my goodness, Tee.. Tears in my eyes. I will be kind and helpful and hard-working- but I WILL NEVER ANNUL MYSELF, N.E.V.E.R A.G.A.I.N!!!
“I hope that with time, youâll calm down and accept the idea that the Winery era is gone, but youâre still going strong. And then you might come up with other meaningful ways to spend your days. Because cleaning your home is certainly not very uplifting or fulfilling, at least not on the long run.”-
I’m thinking of volunteering in an old people’s home, old being late 70s, 80s, 90s- to uplift them before they die.
Yes, the Winery era has died. But I didn’t die. And there are so many people that need help.
“So perhaps there will be another endeavor, even a business venture, where youâll feel motivated to be a part of. And perhaps have more say in it than before?”- don’t want a business venture, no!
It was never my idea to buy a Winery or any business, too anxious about money. I just accommodated someone else’s desire.. and found myself, over time, falling in love with the now former Winery.
I have photos and videos I took over time. Tee, you should have been there. So many people, stories.. flashes of LIFE. Of hopes and dreams.
“So I see this as a new beginning and a new opportunity for you to shine your light⊠and I hope the depression will lift soon enough! đ€”- Again, I am relieved.. Actually, I am thrilled that my depression has lifted today!
Talking to you, Tee, is a huge part (!!!) of the improvement I am experiencing today. You are making a real difference for me. đ đ đ
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