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  • in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #451763
    anita
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    Dear Tee:

    I am transitioning from having this other person (mother) move from being the focus of my life, the one on center stage=> to the sideway, while I (inner child & adult) take center stage.

    Decades of dissociation, self estrangement, alienation, not knowing myself.. shifting to =>

    Here I am, the forgotten one!

    The forgotten Anita.

    All that mattered before was: she, she, she.. she she she… this other person.

    This other person, a combination of full blown borderline, histrionic, paranoid, obsessive-compulsive.. (Covert) narcissistic.. all of these 24/7 personality disorders- and me (the forgotten one) growing up (inward/ dying) with all of that.

    And now, today, while on my uphill walk outdoors, irl.. things shifted from dissociation/ denial/ auto pilot (as if I wasn’t there all along, absent.. not there), to=> it really did happen.. It did happen to me. It REALLY happened.

    This multi-faceted trauma, day after day, night after night, year after year, it really happened: I was really there. And here I am.

    All along, I was in the shadows, all I could see was her on center stage. Her pain. Her everything.

    On the walk today, I saw ME on center stage. She wasn’t there, on center stage.

    I don’t want to think about her anymore, Tee. Here is me, The Forgotten One.

    Here I am, the person I never got to be.

    This is real here, Tee.

    This is real.

    It’s .. the focus of SIX decades been the wrong focus.

    Seems like everything a mother can do wrong to a daughter, she did.. every single thing except for.. literally breaking my bones, or .. well, she did penetrate my body.. there, with her fingers. Just to check, she said.

    It was truly a nightmare, Tee. Truly a nightmare.

    It’s like.. well, she left nothing innocent within me, nothing untouched by vulgarity.

    Me on center stage. Me, good.. not vulgar. Me, good, clean. Me, no more her, that contamination.

    May I live clean, pure, untouched by vulgarity.

    (This all may be too much..? Yet true.. truth of my life, nothing I chose).

    I hope this is not too much for you, Tee. If it is, and if you don’t respond further to me, I will understand.

    Anita

    in reply to: Stressed and anxious #451762
    anita
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    Dear q: I will answer Thurs morning (Wed night here). That silence from her hurts.. I understand. It’s amazing how what we need so much, when it’s met with silence.. How it hurts. Be back to you in the morning.

    in reply to: Stressed and anxious #451760
    anita
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    So good to read back from you so quickly, q. I’ve been feeling a bit overwhelmed myself this afternoon/ evening. Doubting myself about something I said to someone irl. What are you overwhelmed about at the moment..?

    in reply to: Passing clouds #451758
    anita
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    It’s been ages, how are you, Zenith???

    in reply to: As we continue….part 1 #451757
    anita
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    It’s been a while since you posted last. How are you, Laven?

    in reply to: Creating Meaningful Relationships #451756
    anita
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    How are you feeling today/ tonight, Omyk?

    anita
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    How are you, Adalie?

    in reply to: Stressed and anxious #451754
    anita
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    Thinking about you, q, hoping you’re okay..?

    in reply to: Feelings for co worker? #451753
    anita
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    Thinking about you, me, hoping you’re okay this Wed night.

    in reply to: Struggling to settle in new role #451752
    anita
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    Thinking about you, Tom, hoping you are well.

    in reply to: Patterns or wrong person? #451751
    anita
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    Dear Taylor:

    You asked: “Does anyone have advice on how to start connecting with your true self and intuition?”

    In your life, growing up with a mother who sought love from someone who was emotionally unavailable (her father) may have taught you to override your own needs.

    * What beliefs about love and worth did you inherit?

    * What parts of you were silenced to keep the peace?

    In my life, the beliefs I inherited about love were that loving another (starting with my mother) meant voiding, or cancelling myself.

    That my worth was put on hold until I make her love me first, forever waiting.

    The parts of me that were silenced were the parts that knew what I wanted, what I preferred, like what ice cream flavor to ask for in an ice-cream shop; when to say YES and when to say NO. So, I said neither, or both, at the same time.

    I was mute, really, clueless, dissociated, estranged from myself, disconnected, fragmented within.

    To keep the peace with my anxious, angry, self-centered, emotionally unavailable mother meant to.. disappear until such time when she’ll become available to love me.

    Does any of this resonate?

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #451745
    anita
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    Attempt at Corrective Exercise:

    Adult Anita is traveling back into the past, into that little apartment, into that bathroom (I am playing a YouTube audio of a beautiful Hebrew song, the kind I could have heard back then, a song about Cinderela and the seven dwarfs.. and another from the times of back then, in that time).

    Adult Anita has arrived at that tiny apartment, silently opening the locked door and slowly, silently stepping in. I hear the sound of water in the small bathroom directly to my left, water running slowly. There’s an adult woman washing dishes ahead of me, in the tiny kitchen. She doesn’t see me, singularly focused on cleaning those dishes.. just right.

    I turn to my left, I knock.

    Little Girl Anita (LGA): (Alarmed, she never heard knocking on that door) Silent, unfamiliar with knocking.

    Adult Anita (AA): I am future Anita. I am here your clean, dried pajamas. I’ll wait here until you finish washing and drying, and when you’re finished, tell me so, and I will stretch my arm toward you, holding your pajamas. I will stay outside the door. I will not see you.

    + LGA washing, drying, quickly, afraid. “I am done”, she says with a trembling voice, arm stretched, taking pajamas, putting them on quickly. “I am done”, she says.

    AA: Shh.. LGA. It’s okay. I am here to help you..

    I am here to make it safe for you, so that you don’t have to be scared anymore. (Opening door, seeing LGA wide eyed, breathing fast, scared, almost fainting)

    * Taking a moment, feeling unwell.

    AA holding LGA in her arms, feeling little heart beating so fast, so loud, hushing LGA.. Sh… sh..

    LGA calmer.

    AA takes LGA in her arms, and forming a magical bubble, they float up into the air, up a soft, white, fluffy cloud.

    AA: sh.. sh… Tell me LGA..?

    LGA: It’s so quiet here. But Ima.. take me down, let’s bring her up here too.

    AA: Sh… sh… Let her go, let her be there, below us where she can’t reach you anymore, can’t touch you, can’t shame you, can’t hurt you.

    LGA: Are you my new mother?

    AA: Yes, I am. I am your new mother. I am the mother who knocks before she enters, the mother who hears your silent cry when you’re hurting, the mother who notices what you are feeling, who wants to know, the one who asks: how are you feeling? The one who loves you, just as you are!

    LGA: But who will love her? She needs me!!!

    AA: Sh… No, sweet, beautiful little girl: it’s you who needed her all along. Not the other way around.

    LGA: She NEEDS ME

    AA: She needs to hurt you. I don’t want you hurt anymore. I am here to help you, I need to help you. I need you helped, not hurt.

    I want you helped, I want you safe. I am your new mother, the one who knocks, the one who asks, the one who offers.. the one who’s gentle.

    You are safe now, LGA.. sh…

    Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #451744
    anita
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    Dear Tee:

    “Actually I was feeling quite good yesterday, not too much pain thankfully. It’s a good feeling to be pain-free, or almost pain-free in my body, even if it’s just for a short while. So I appreciated it. 🙏 Let’s hope today will be similar 🤞😊”-

    I do hope so! 🙏 🍀 🤞 🍀 😊

    As I read the above, I noticed that it’s a good feeling to be tic-free in my body.. even if it’s just for a short while, and to breathe comfortably (not holding my breath).

    “I’m sorry that no one acknowledged your pain before… I can imagine people back at home told you platitudes, like ‘your mother did the best she could, she sacrificed so much for you, you should be grateful to your mother, your mother loves you’, and stuff like that, right?”- Right. Again, it’s like you were there.

    “What about later, in therapy? Have you talked about your childhood in therapy?”- Yes, I did share (2011-13) and I received enough support from my therapist at the time to decide (2013) to end contact with the mother. But what happened next was very disappointing to me, almost heart breaking: he did not support my decision. He was neither for it or against it. He definitely did not express approval of it. So, I thought: if he agreed with me about how terrible it was, why wouldn’t he support ending contact with her?

    I interpreted his lack of approval and support as.. a repeat of any of the messages you listed above, as well as this message: Mother is Always Right (even when she is wrong), and A daughter Must Never End Contact with Her Mother No Matter What.

    Shortly after, therapy ended as I left the State to another.

    “Yes, I really do. I hear you. I believe you. I trust that it happened. And that it was horrific 🙁”- Thank you, Tee. You are the best ✨ ✨ ✨

    “I’ve received a small portion of the similar type of shaming from my mother too. It wasn’t nearly as extensive, but I’ve never felt good in my body. I felt ashamed of myself, and that included my body too.”- I am sorry that you too suffered this kind of pain 🙁

    “I can imagine how painful it was for you to hear those shaming words.. I’m now thinking that she used to bathe you and dress you into your teenage years. Is that when the body-related shaming started?”-

    The body related shaming started way earlier. I just remembered something I didn’t think about for a long time. I was in the bathtub. It wasn’t a big bathtub, quite narrow. It was me (I was skinny) and my sister lying down in the bathtub, so I think I was maybe 7 or 8. This is what I remember so very clearly: when the mother entered the bathroom, I was alarmed and immediately turned over so that my back was facing her. I didn’t want the front facing her. I didn’t want my back facing her, but of the two options, her seeing my back side was preferrable to the front.

    She shamed everyone’s bodies, meaning, in her conversations with her sisters, mostly on the phone, she’d gossip a lot and talk in derogatory ways about women’s bodies, how faulty they are (for not being model-like perfect), how they should be ashamed of themselves for not adequately covering their imperfections with loose/ modest clothing & such. There was a whole lot of such talking that I heard second hand. She used very vulgar words for a woman’s.. private part in her conversations. And there was no way to not hear her talking because the apartment was a very small 1-bdr apartment.

    As a child and onward, I knew about neighbors’ and cousins’ sexual practices because she talked about such on the phone. A lot. And there was a lot of shaming involved. There was absolutely no censorship in her talking to her sisters on the phone (or in person), considering there was a child present. I remember seeing the people she talked about in real life and having the images in my mind of what they were doing sexually. It was very unpleasant for me to have those images.

    As far as the bathing as a teenager- that was excruciating. It was traumatic. To say NO to her didn’t even cross my mind. Not an option. But at one point on, I negotiated and was allowed to wash parts of me on my own. And at one point on, I was to be in the bathroom alone and was myself on my own, then call her to come in and wash my back and head only(she said I couldn’t do it right on my own). So, I’d wash, call her name, she’d come in and I’d cover myself with 1 or 2 hands I had available. I had to choose what to cover. I didn’t want her to see anything of my body, but had to choose what to prioritize hiding. I was very uptight the whole time she was there.

    I clearly remember her hands scrubbing my head, digging into my scalp so hard that it was painful. I remember making a noise, a quiet noise indicating it was painful but it didn’t help. She washed my head as if it was a very dirty appliance that needed to be scrubbed hard.

    After the ordeal, I remember being very clean and in pajamas and feeling so relieved that I was finally covered, safe within the pajamas, nakedness unseen. I don’t remember until what age she washed me and how it came about that she stopped.

    All this part I just shared, I didn’t share it with my therapist at the time.. or if I did, only a tiny bit of it (don’t remember at all)

    “It’s not too much, Anita. I’ve experienced a small portion of it myself, so I understand.”- I hope it’s still not too much. I would very much like to read your thoughts and understanding of al this.

    “What is more challenging to me is how to help you, since I’m not a therapist. And so I’m thinking that I should refrain from suggesting various corrective exercises, since some of those might be triggering for you.

    “I’m almost sure that you would benefit from some type of somatic therapy, e.g. Somatic Experiencing (which I think you mentioned in a response to a member a while ago). Because it involves working with the body (where the trauma is stored), but in a very gentle, gradual way, so that you never get overwhelmed. I think somatic therapy involves various corrective exercises too, but again, it happens in an orderly way, tailored to each individual’s needs.

    “So I’m a bit reluctant to suggest those exercises, because I’m not an expert, and trauma healing is best done with expert guidance..”-

    I think you are very correct here: I would benefit from somatic therapy/ experiencing. In the context of self-help (not therapy), if you feel comfortable, you are welcome to suggest a small, mild exercise for me..? I would like that.

    “Those are all very good affirmations, Anita. Just one observation, if I may: I think that from the perspective of the inner child, you don’t even need to put a stress on holding yourself accountable. Because being a child is primarily about feeling loved, cared for, and care-free. Holding yourself accountable is more a feature of your adult self.

    “So perhaps your inner child – little girl Anita – should simply be loved, nurtured, gently held, soothed… (by your adult self), without any expectations on her, including the expectation to be accountable for her words and actions.

    “Expectations come later in life, but as infants and toddlers, we should be mostly just receiving, without being expected to give anything in return (now it occurs to me that it would be the closest feeling to unconditional love, I guess: just receiving the goodness, soaking it in, and not being expected to earn it in any way). What do you say?”-

    I say: you are correct, Tee. I agree. I didn’t notice this point, so thank you for bringing it up (and for doing it so thoughtfully and gently).

    When I read the word “receiving” in “we should be mostly just receiving”, as in, the inner child receiving.. I felt alarmed, as in receiving the mother’s hands on my naked body, or receiving her hands scrubbing my hurting scalp..

    Thank you, Tee, for being a safe place for me to recall and share all this, safe, supportive, intelligent, understanding.. amazing ✨ ✨ ✨

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita

    in reply to: Patterns or wrong person? #451732
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Taylor:

    You care about his feelings because you have a good heart. So, your true self is a caring, empathetic self, isn’t it?

    Let’s talk more about everything over the next few days, shall we?

    (I’ll be back to the computer in a few hours.

    Anita

    in reply to: Patterns or wrong person? #451726
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Talor:

    I would like to add in regard to the title of this thread, “Patterns or wrong person?”- regardless of patterns, when your body ” instinctively jump(s) away at somebody’s touch- that’s something deep and reactive that’s jumping away, and you have to respect this strong body assertion, regardless of patterns and whether he’s a good person.

    For now, listen to, accept and respect the message your body clearly gave you, is my advice.. and tell him the truth (in as kind a way as you can).

    What is a Shakespearean quote: “This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.”.

    🤍 Anita

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