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anitaParticipant
Dear Clara:
I understand you missing her. “It hurts to think that she might be uncomfortable with me in the house“- it just so happens that an article on emotion regulation (or emotional regulation) appeared on my newsfeed yesterday, msn. com en-us/ health/ other/ exploring-emotional-regulation-techniques, about how very helpful it is to one’s health and relationships. The better you regulate your emotions, the healthier you are, and the healthier your relationships.
Post again anytime. Remember, this is your journal, if you want it to be.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
You are welcome.
“This morning, it did come across to me that maybe it is better if we are apart….Maybe she has been suffering for a while and honestly I do not want her to be scared and suffer anymore. Together or not“- I boldfaced what love is about.
“Anyhow, I will continue to see the issue that is happening on my side, will go to therapy tomorrow. Will see what comes up“- I think that by this time, you already had your therapy session, and In wonder how what transpired and how you are feeling.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Debs123:
You are very welcome and thank you for the appreciation. I will be back to you in about 11 hours from now.
anita
July 2, 2024 at 4:45 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #434570anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“When I am not on the site for a couple weeks, does it make you feel like I am selfish, using you, or cold?”- no. When you don’t reply to me for an couple of weeks, I think that you don’t have a desire to talk to me, or you have the desire to not talk to me. At times I felt a bit hurt, a bit angry.
“Also I apologize for my horribly grammatical phone message here a couple weeks ago“- I didn’t notice or I don’t remember a horribly grammatical message by you.
“but you did great with it!“- thank you!
“To your post June 12th“… did you behave coldly and selfishly with him- Sometimes? Often? Rarely? Never?”- Not never… I went silent and cold, while being kind and straight forward… him calling me cold sometimes is accurate”- it’s a good thing that you didn’t go silent and cold and then erupt with rage (my mother’s pattern).
When you say “silent and cold”, you mean silently hurt and angry?
“For me ‘my true self was warm, but then was terribly abused, twisted into knots and generally emptied of the feeling of warmth. Leading to me feeling cold. My dad was also paranoid and emotionally detached from me, angry at me.. And I also feel it created an angry, judgmental and misguided loyalty. Everyone hurt him so I hated everyone including myself. All with the purpose of his acceptance, ‘togetherness.'”-
– wait, these are your words or mine (all of it, with warmth substituting the feeling of being ALIVE (my words).. ?
“I am trying to put together how/ which experiences I went through created this ‘barren emptiness.’… I felt the majority of my real self was rejected and judged by N…. It is out of the relationship, the past 6 months that I have been able to be my real self, I am not afraid to be rejected by new people and find it so exciting to find people who are real with me. That attitude has lead me to new relationships with new people”– I boldfaced the good news: you are mentally healthier following the breakup, congrats!!!
“Yes, I very intentionally have time before having my own hatchlings. I want to make sure I am swimming in the correct direction, to the right beach.“- swimming in the correct direction is key (It’s the journey)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
I did not re-read any of our previous communication before I replied to you yesterday. I just did a bit of reading and came across a promise I made to you on March 5 this year: “I promise you that if and when you are back, when I respond to you, I will pay close attention to submit posts that are always gentle and kind.”
Your last words before your return yesterday (July 1) was on March 10: “Recently I am not as scared to express that I don’t like something. I wish I could do it more often, it is very freeing. take care“.
Having re-read some of our communication before: I wonder if you visited Italy with your girlfriend, how it was, and about your job that you were struggling with. You don’t have to share of course. Also, I wonder about Emotion Regulation which we discussed, and which is just what you (and all of us) need. I wonder if you followed up on it.
anita
anitaParticipantHow are you this evening (your time, I believe), Caroline?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
*I am making this comment after completing this post because I wanted to let you know that it may be distressing to read it. I am sorry.. You are welcome to skip this post, of course.
“I tend to overreact and often the overreacting is the second arrow of suffering in Buddhist’s saying“- overreacting is a source of suffering- not only to the one doing the overreacting- but also, to the recipient of the overreacting, the one in a relationship with an over-reactor.
“she mentioned her not feeling much, and she had to be on tip toe all the time” (earlier)- fear is the consequence of being the recipient of overreacting-= being on tip toe all the time, afraid to make a sound.
“for now I am a bit scared of what will happen“- you are scared of living without her.. maybe, she is scared of living with you.
“I can’t figure out if she wants to break up, or if she wants to salvage the relationship (or any other motive). The actions do not add up. If she wants to break up then she has all the opportunities… if she wants to continue, why is she not sharing anything at all yesterday“- maybe, just maybe, she is/ was afraid of living with you, and she is afraid that you will overreact if she breaks up with you.
I think that fear plays a big part in her behavior and in yours, before and after the break. I can’t see the dynamics between the two of you when you were living together, but maybe you were so focused on your insecurities/ your fear, that you didn’t know how you came across to her, that she was intimidated by you..?
If any of this is true, then your best bet is to address the topic with her, and to promise her- if you are ale to keep the promise– that overreacting will no longer be part of the relationship.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Harry:
You are welcome. “Yesterday she even met my dad …. If I’m totally honest I don’t know if it is going to work… I’m going to continue playing it how it has been before… She’s still excited for me to come to Australia and so am I“-
– she might be thinking that you are serious about her, being that you introduced her to your father yesterday. When in Australia, she might have you meet all of her family, thinking this is serious, not knowing that you are very conflicted, that you are not totally honest with her, and that your plan is to continue playing it how it has been before.
“I’m speaking with a therapist who’s helping me with it all“- good thing.
“I won’t bring up what happened before again as far as I can help it“- you mean that you may not be able to not bring up the topic that hurts her.. as in being compelled to bring it up?
“We’ll see how we get on, but for now I’m happy and so is she.“- your romance story has been a very fast romance story, too fast, and she is far away from home. I think that she needs to go back to Australia, and recover in familiar settings: separate her Dreams and Hopes from Reality. Maybe seek therapy there.
It may help if she can see an therapist before she leaves the UK.
I wonder about your attachment style in romantic/ sexual relationships, if it is the avoidant or the ambivalent kind where you seek closeness with a woman, on one hand, and sabotage closeness, on the other hand. Are you aware of the concept of attachment styles?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Carol:
You are welcome! “I haven’t sent my message yet but I am considering doing it in the following days. Sorry Anita, I know you advised against it!“-
You brought up the idea of talking to her in your June 26 post: “I don’t really know if I should talk to her about this or just let it go?… Maybe I could to share my feelings with her“, and I replied: “I wish you could let it go, but can you?” So, you see, I didn’t advise you against talking to her/ sharing your feelings with her. I expressed a wish that you were emotionally okay with letting it go because actions speak louder than words. and her actions in the last year include repeatedly taking 12 days or more to reply to your texts.
“I have made some modifications and would like to send something like this: ‘Hi, There’s something I would like to talk to you about as I think it’s pretty important… I totally understand that now that you’re in a relationship, the dynamic is different! But I thought we would remain close. I would like to know about your perspective ? Also, what do you expect from me in this friendship?‘ I don’t want to guilt-trip her not to make unnecessary accusations. I am open to suggestions”-
-I think that it’s an excellent message: it’s empathetic, understanding, considerate, fair and kind.
Here are a few possibilities as to when/ how she replies to your message, and perhaps you can prepare yourself to these possibilities: (1) she may take 12 days or more to reply; she may reply on the same day, or anywhere in between,
(2) she may reply saying something like this: oh, I am so sorry, I was so wrapped up in my relationship that I neglected our friendship and keeping it separate from my relationship. I am inviting you to meet my boyfriends and his/ our friends for a cookout on (date). Would you like that?
(3) she may get defensive, saying something like: well, I’ve been very busy, I can’t be everything for everyone!
(4) she may reply but ignore the content of your message.
What do you think/ feel about these possibilities?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Debs123:
You are welcome. In this post I want to review what you shared so far, beginning with your original post: “He’s now asked me to dinner. He said he’s excited to see me and catch up… 2 weeks later, no word. “- What happened to his stated excitement to see you? It didn’t motivate him to contact you and arrange to have dinner with you, two weeks so far.
“I always felt something was off, sensed he was lying to me about things. But could never catch him in anything. Until the last breakup. He got caught in a lie… (and) another lie he told. So he lied about lying“- so, you did catch him lying twice, two years ago (the time of the last breakup).
“He said he’d supplement my income until we could buy a house together. And he bailed, less than 2 months later, citing communication problems… Leaving me to figure out how I’m going pay the bills“- he made a promise to you: to supplement your income, and he broke his promise with no guilty conscience, so it seems.
“He hated conflict, so when I would approach him about how I was feeling, like when he seemed ‘different’ to me, he would eventually blow up at me because, for me, it just wasn’t resolved. He was tired of me bringing things up“- reads like in his mind, his dominant attitude has My Way, or the Highway. No willingness to consider.. your way.
“He did nice things for me throughout the times we were together. He had a way of making me feel special, that I was important. However, he was unkind at times also, making jokes at my expense, saying mean things in the heat of the moment… There just seemed to be something missing, holes in stories.. There were times I thought I was going crazy, unsure about what was real and what wasn’t. Was he even real? Was he hiding behind a mask? Was I just paranoid?“- reads to me that you were not paranoid regarding him, and that he was- is, indeed, hiding behind a mask, as in a succession of mask-on, mask-off behaviors, a pattern that would confuse anyone who is emotionally attached to him while not being aware of what is happening.
What you shared about him makes me think of a title of a book: People of The Lie by Dr. Peck. Quotes from the book that seem to fit the guy you were involved with (and in parentheses, explanation of the quotes by bookey. app):
“The most common form of evil is not the spectacular crime, but the everyday betrayal” (“the author persuasively suggests that the most prevalent type of evil is not the sensationalized acts of violence or grand crimes, but rather the everyday betrayals we often disregard… While we may be quick to condemn heinous acts that make headlines, we often overlook the small but significant ways in which individuals harm others through deceit, manipulation, and acts of betrayal in our everyday interactions”).
“Evil is often hidden in plain sight, camouflaged by the masks of normalcy” (“In our daily lives, we encounter numerous individuals who seem perfectly normal and ordinary, yet behind their seemingly innocent facade lies a darker side… Evil… thrives on disguises and camouflage, fooling those around it. It serves as a reminder that appearances can be deceiving”).
“Evil seeks to destroy truth because truth reveals its existence” (“Evil is inherently threatened by truth… Evil thrives in darkness and deception, using lies and manipulation to conceal its true intentions”).
“Evil feeds on the ignorance and complacency of good people” (“Evil thrives when good people remain unaware or indifferent to its presence… It serves as a reminder that combating evil requires not only the absence of malevolence but also active awareness, vigilance, and a refusal to turn a blind eye to injustice. Only through the collective effort of the good can evil be confronted and overcome”).
“Evil lives in the gap between what is said and what is done” (“True evil lurks not only in the actions or words themselves, but in the inherent contradiction that arises when they fail to align. The quote implies that evil thrives in these gaps, exploiting the dissonance between purported values or intentions and the actual behavior exhibited. Whether through empty promises, deceit, or hypocrisy, evil finds fertile ground in the space where words and actions do not align, serving as a reminder to be vigilant and aware of the incongruities that may exist in our interactions with others”).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
It is Mon night here and I may have a few more words for you in the morning (maybe, maybe not), but for now, as to: “for now I am a bit scared of what will happen, but if I want to pursue love, this fear needs to be addressed“- Fear vs Love: place your focus, your time, your resources- all on love, be about love. If she believes it’s good for her to separate from you permanently- let it be, accept it, support her in the choice she makes- that’s what love is about. You will be stronger for it.
She is not as important as YOU in your life. Make the Focus of your life be on a personal space that’s big enough for you, that does not necessitate her being there. I hope this is making sense..?
anita
anitaParticipantDear soma:
I am earlier than I said I’d be, after reviewing some of our recent communication. “care to give me any advice on this?“- yes: slow down, calm down, be patient with yourself and with him.
Don’t RUSH- emotionally and otherwise. Turn down the speed by which your emotions travel. Make it easier for him, he needs things being easier for him, doesn’t he?
anita
anitaParticipantDear soma: somehow, I missed your post from 2 days ago, I will read and reply tomorrow morning (it’s Mon evening here).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
You are welcome!
“I will try to look at the books you recommend”– well, I didn’t read any of the three books I mentioned, so I can’t recommend any of them (I googled the topic earlier today, and came across these books and other books/ online sources), but I do recommend that you read about the anxious attachment style.
“So, yes, voice out clearly“- yes!!!
“As a child, there was no personal space for myself“- time to take your personal space now, to voice out clearly what you need.. to no longer make do with no personal space/ no- Clara!
“I think I struggled to forgive my parents for a quite a period of time, while they didn’t even know what I was angry or irritated about“- isn’t it something, how visible you were to them physically, even while taking a shower, but you were invisible when it came to your emotions.
“I think somehow I know people can be a source of danger“- don’t hide your legitimate needs out of fear. It takes courage, and you, Clara, you have what it takes!
Thank you for the good (Mon) night wish, and good Tues morning to you!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Debs123:
You are welcome. “His lies are intentional and hurtful… he was unkind at times also, making jokes at my expense, saying mean things in the heat of the moment… he’d yell“, but he also made you feel special: “He had a way of making me feel special, that I was important“.
For a person who regularly feels, or has felt growing up, not special, not important, to get to feel special and important is intoxicating, like a dream come true.
“I can’t wrap my head around him rejecting me again and again, after promising me so much. A life together“- you felt that he promised you a lifetime of being special and important to him, as in.. heaven on earth (I might be exaggerating here, maybe not)?
“And why can’t I let it go?“- let him go, or let go of what he may have represented for you, if he did: a promise of a lifetime of being special and important?
Is it that for that promise you were willing to ignore his lies, occasional meanness, etc.?
anita
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