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anita
ParticipantDear Clara:
Good morning here, good night to you! Good to read from you: clearer and another step ahead toward moving on!
“she thinks too shallow (may be too compartmentalized/ emotionally unaware, if we use more psychological terms), while they all know how much of a deep thinker I am“- I agree.
“But the funny thing is, I think I knew this, and my mind says ‘if you are committed to someone, then you should not give up on that person because of her ‘flaw’“- you should give up on her because she told you (I am sad to be repeating her words) that she does not like you anymore, and that she has no feelings for you. And because you can’t trust what she says in regard to her feelings: she told you something to the affect of it being difficult for her to separate from you, from a person she has no feeling for: this is not believable because when person A has no feelings for (not even liking) person B, it’s not difficult for A to separate from B, it’s difficult to stay with B.
“In my mind, I think I should work with her to see how we can improve, rather than, just walk away. The fine line between being perseverant and being stubborn, is hard to manage in a relationship for me. When should a relationship really stops?“- when one or two of the people in the relationship says they don’t like the other.
The line between being perseverant and being stubborn in this context, as I see it, is that in being stubborn, you don’t really hear what she said, or you don’t process it, or you explain it away (as in, maybe you think that she likes you and has feelings for you but is currently unaware of these feelings). Perseverance has logic behind it; stubbornness, sometimes has no logic behind it, and when that’s the case, it leads to suffering.
“I think sometime objectively, she should be more emotional mature (given she is 40, but honestly there are a lot 40’s who are still not knowing what they are doing in their lives… ), on the other hand, I think she really doesn’t have the skills or capability yet so I should be more empathetic“- if she was a 4-year-old child and you were her 40-year-old teacher, you could empathetically teach her skills and capabilities and she would be eager to learn, I imagine. But like most older adults (30s and onward), she is done learning certain things. I don’t think that she looks up to you (as a child would look up to a teacher) to teach her things in matters of emotional skills and capabilities.
“I think being with this person has given me a lot of lessons to learn, given that we are quite different. I think we must have cared for each a lot at some points, that allowed us to sustain 5.5 years of relationship“- yes, she cared for you as much as she is capable of. There were good things in the relationship, good times to honor and to move on from, at the same time. Do I make sense?
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Lily-Mae:
I am so sorry for the rude and very inappropriate reply by the member Tommy. This is not his first rude reply, but it’s his first rude reply to an OP (original poster) who expressed suicidal thoughts, so his inappropriateness has arrived at a new low. I am very disturbed by this and I just emailed the website owner a message about what happened here.
I will reply to you further, Lily-Mae. Again, I am sorry.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Laven:
I know the glancing up at the mirror moments, I know the experience.
I wanted to tell you (I thought about it earlier today, before your most recent post): I’ve been posing in your threads since March of this year, over five months of posting. And never did you address me, never did you mention my name, or say thank-you, (neither to me, nor to your other responders).
And I told you recently: it’s okay, you don’t need to respond to me, no need to address me, just keep expressing yourself, for as long as you need to do that.. for as long as it helps. And I still say: please do: start more threads, type away your thoughts and feelings for as long as you need to.
And.. I have my needs: I need to be acknowledged for my efforts to attend to you, to make you feel seen and heard. I need to honor- not only your needs- but my own needs.
And so, as I said before, you are welcome to start as many threads as you wish, you are welcome to submit posts of any length. It’s just that if you do not address me by name (anita), and you do not talk to me, I will not post in your threads again.
Other responders may reply to you, and that is fine with me. Please keep posting. It’s just that I need to read my name, typed out by you, for the first time in five months, for me to reply to you again.
Assuming you will not address me by name (because it hurts, because you can’t, as you expressed), I say: goodbye, Laven, my best wishes for you. Post again and again, others will respond, I think.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Zenith:
Lol indeed! I think that the last part, letting go of expectations (in regard to the parts of her behaviors that you’ve bee focused on) is huge in regard to being at peace. Peace of mind is so very, very important.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Zenith:
“I don’t want to do it.“- you are so cute, you made me smile (affectionately). Well, you don’t have to do it, I want you to do what will give you (lasting) peace.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Zenith:
I am in the middle of working when I realized, your latest one-sentence post does not require a lengthy response, “By forgiving her mistakes and still keep inviting her.”- yes, if you can do this, and as a result, you achieve a peaceful acceptance of reality (and peace with your husband), then yes, forgive her and invite her again.
anita
anita
ParticipantI’ll be back to you in a few hours, Zenith!
anita
anita
ParticipantRe-submitted, hoping for a better format:
Dear Klast:
“There can be no justice when dealing with fate, just acceptance of being a victim“- acceptance of what we cannot change, acceptance of what we can not undo.
“I am a childhood epilepsy (TLE) survivor, who was fully cured at 20. Then 20 years later, grade 3 brain cancer comes along… fate just had to step in at critical moments and take that all away“- Fate (online definition): “the development of events beyond a person’s control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power”.Personally, I agree that a whole lot of what happens, is beyond one’s control. Your childhood epilepsy, and later, brain cancer are two examples of very unfortunate events that happened to you, and which were beyond your control. On the other hand, I don’t believe that there is a supernatural power who arranges for these two events to happen to you, having planned it this way.Do you believe that these (and other) unfortunate events were planned and executed by a supernatural power/ a god?“At the moment I am 4 years ahead of the BC curve (11 year survivor), I should of got sick again 4 years ago. The doctors are surprised I am still working. I was off work for 3 years and believed I would never work again“- congratulations for making it 4 years ahead of the BC curve, and for working!“My overall point is that I had so much built in ability, that I had so much potential, that I worked hard at achieving throughout my life. For it all to be wiped out by random chance“- when I read this part, I was reminded of a nature movie that I watched when I was a teenager, a movie that left a deep impression on me: it was about sea turtle hatching from eggs on a beach, their goal was to reach the water. As I remember it, some didn’t manage to hatch, some were eaten right after hatching, some walked toward the water for a while, but then grabbed by predatory birds, and only a small number got to the water. And then, not all who arrived to the water survived because there are predators in the water as well.All the sea turtles had about the same built in ability and potential.“The usefulness of my potential is all gone now“- in some areas, I imagine, not in other areas.“Surely there is some other way to deal with this?… I feel resentment building up in me every time someone around me has achieved in their lives what fate wouldn’t let me. Help?“- I repeat the serenity prayer to myself every day (not for the religious aspect, but for the principle in the prayer): god, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.anitaanita
ParticipantDear Klast:
“There can be no justice when dealing with fate, just acceptance of being a victim“- acceptance of what we cannot change, acceptance of what we can not undo.
“I am a childhood epilepsy (TLE) survivor, who was fully cured at 20. Then 20 years later, grade 3 brain cancer comes along… fate just had to step in at critical moments and take that all away“- Fate (online definition): “the development of events beyond a person’s control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power”.Personally, I agree that a whole lot of what happens, is beyond one’s control. Your childhood epilepsy, and later, brain cancer are two examples of very unfortunate events that happened to you, and which were beyond your control. On the other hand, I don’t believe that there is a supernatural power who arranges for these two events to happen to you, having planned it this way.Do you believe that these (and other) unfortunate events were planned and executed by a supernatural power/ a god?“At the moment I am 4 years ahead of the BC curve (11 year survivor), I should of got sick again 4 years ago. The doctors are surprised I am still working. I was off work for 3 years and believed I would never work again“- congratulations for making it 4 years ahead of the BC curve, and for working!“My overall point is that I had so much built in ability, that I had so much potential, that I worked hard at achieving throughout my life. For it all to be wiped out by random chance“- when I read this part, I was reminded of a nature movie that I watched when I was a teenager, a movie that left a deep impression on me: it was about sea turtle hatching from eggs on a beach, their goal was to reach the water. As I remember it, some didn’t manage to hatch, some were eaten right after hatching, some walked toward the water for a while, but then grabbed by predatory birds, and only a small number got to the water. And then, not all who arrived to the water survived because there are predators in the water as well.All the sea turtles had about the same built in ability and potential.“The usefulness of my potential is all gone now“- in some areas, I imagine, not in other areas.“Surely there is some other way to deal with this?… I feel resentment building up in me every time someone around me has achieved in their lives what fate wouldn’t let me. Help?“- I repeat the serenity prayer to myself every day (not for the religious aspect, but for the principle in the prayer): god, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.anitaanita
ParticipantDear Zenith:
“How do I regulate my anger now. By forgiving her?“- if by forgiving, you mean to shift from anger to peaceful acceptance of reality, then yes, but.. how can you achieve this shift?
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Zenith:
“I don’t want friends“- I see your all-or-nothing tendency, as in: if she is not in your life all the way, then she must not be in your life at all.
“I was doing pretty okay until the incident happened yesterday“- you need to learn to tolerate or regulate being triggered, to not over-react emotionally (or behaviorally). We talked about emotion regulation. Remember my (emotion regulation) NPARR strategy?
There’ll always be triggers, and feeling okay will be temporary until you successfully practice emotion regulation.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Lily-Mae:
You are welcome. “I currently see my psychiatrist… I just want to die. And I’m planning on doing that“- please call your psychiatrist, or an emergency number (911, USA) as quickly as possible and voice your suicidal thoughts- so that you can receive professional help.
“I always go for the wrong men because I feel ugly and worthless. I wish I could put a mask over my face… I’m not good enough and I will never be“- better than putting a mask over your face would be to remove the mask of self-hate and let the beauty underneath shine!
“This guy got everything. He got happiness. He got a beautiful girlfriend.. I wish I was good enough, but I’m not. She is.“- from where you are at, it seems like he got everything, and is happy, but it’s not likely to be true.
“I have borderline personality disorder“- I was diagnosed myself with BPD, and after my first quality psychotherapy and years of work, I no longer fit the diagnosis.
“I’m angry that he treated me like a fool… I’m so angry, I wish he was regretful for what he has done to me… I’m angry at God because he made him happy and I’m sitting with the pain, the suicidal ideas. I love God, don’t get me wrong, but man I am so angry“- since you mentioned being angry and loving God, here’s a quote from bible study tools. com/ topical verses/ anger bible verses:
“We all struggle with moments of anger – whether we are faced with a small annoyance or an overwhelming situation. Rather than lashing out with harsh words and actions, which only leave us with guilt and shame, we can stop and focus on Scripture for help. The Bible gives plenty of advice on dealing with anger… The Bible also teaches us that not all anger is wrong. Righteous anger stems from an anger that arises when we witness ‘an offense against God or His Word.’ Righteous anger cares about others. It attacks the sin instead of the sinner.
“It’s important to consider what can result from our anger. Will our anger produce actions that intend to make the world a better place and help bring people to hear the Gospel, in a loving way? Or will our anger retaliate, isolate, and cause someone to potentially stray away from the faith because of our actions? We should be slow to become angry and filter all emotions through how God wants us to respond to others. Brows Scripture quotes on anger below and… Keep them with you throughout the day to remind yourself of God’s strength and peace when you feel tensions rise.” (End of quotes)
I hope to read more about your thoughts and feelings, Lily-Mae, as long as it helps just a bit to type them into the screen and get replies.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Laven:
“She’s 92“- I didn’t know that she was in her 90s. For some reason, I thought she was in her later 70s, or early 80s. Few people live into their 100s, very few. Time for you to say goodbye to her, a loving, kind .. see you on the other side.. kind-of goodbye?
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Lavern:
“nobody ever wants and chooses me.“- imagine you wanting and choosing you, choosing Lavern as the most important, valuable person.. in your own one, precious, special life.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear Zenith:
“I saw my friend.. I want to stay away from people for a little while.“- will it help if you no longer think of her as a friend (and therefore have expectations of her fitting a friend), and instead, think of her as nothing but a mere acquaintance (and therefore, no expectations)?
anita
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