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HelcatParticipant
Hi Jana
I haven’t come across that quote before, thank you for sharing it! It reminds me of a story about a monk who was imprisoned and tortured. He forgave even the people who committed the vilest torture.
I do believe that compassion and understanding are key to these things. I’m keen to hear your thoughts too.
Love, peace and best wishes! ❤️🙏
December 17, 2024 at 1:47 pm in reply to: Kicked out of the house and cut off from all my family in college – now what? #440813HelcatParticipantHi Lulu
I’m so sorry that you’re going through this right now. You don’t need this stress after your sister dying. No one should be fighting right now.
It’s not fair on you that this is the way your Mother is choosing to grieve. You are suffering already with the loss of your sister. You don’t need anything extra on top of that.
I will say that it can be really hard on parents losing a child. Some people give up and lose it. I hope that she regains some sense and decides not to blow up the family.
I’m really sorry that you’re going through this at Christmas too. That is extra awful. I’m glad that your boyfriend is being supportive. If your family don’t get their act together, it sounds like he may be trying to invite you to Christmas with his family. If he does and things aren’t better you should definitely go. No one should be alone at Christmas!
Love and best wishes!❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Jana
You are spot on! Thank you for sharing your own fascinating cultural communication experience and insight about cultural differences. I totally agree. Even the US and the UK are very different cultures and we speak the same language. It’s kind of an issue between my husband and myself, as well as myself and his family.
The UK is kind of like Canada in which we apologize for everything. And I mean everything! Even minor inconveniences. It is considered extremely rude in my culture not to apologize. It’s basically an insult.
Whereas the US doesn’t have as strong an emphasis on apologising. There is a strong belief in being fake nice and faking a positive attitude in the US, especially where my husband is from because they shoot and kill each other over minor disputes. It’s actually against how people from the UK operate. Whilst we do apologize, we don’t fake being positive. We show our emotions albeit in a reserved way and I would say are more negative in attitude than Americans. We are very strictly anti-violence in the UK, so feel perfectly safe in doing so.
In the UK, grandparents still operate on the honour based system. Kind of like Downton Abbey but less posh. I would say that I’m more traditional than most younger people and I get on very well with the elderly population here.
The younger generation tends to be freer with how they choose to communicate and in my opinion are quite troublesome. The say one thing and do another. Whereas older people are more direct and honest in their interactions.
I think that you are excellent at writing to others by the way. 😊
Love, peace and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi John
Haha I like your sense of humour. I think she passed some of her mental fortitude onto you. 😊
I’m glad that some of the things she taught you were quite useful. It’s a shame that there were other things that weren’t true any longer.
It is refreshing to meet a man that is open minded and has such positive views about women. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future.
I do think that women have a handicap in most countries though. They are expected to do the child rearing. It is hard to overcome things so deeply entrenched in society without that changing. We can dream to be treat as equals one day.
Love, peace and blessings! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Jana
Wow you were so brave to stand up to that group and defend the other person that they were also threatening. You truly did your best despite being afraid of being hurt yourself. I’m glad that they didn’t hurt you and I hope that other person got away.
You are incredible! Although it is a terrible memory to have. I’m sorry that happened to you.
Love, peace and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi CKS
I’m sorry to hear that some kids were annoying you on the bus today.
How do you think this person will respond to your message? What is your desired outcome?
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantHi Jana
I agree, that tends to be my pattern. I’m still reading it, so there is a lot I haven’t learned yet.
But essentially, it says a scared person will look for things to be afraid of, an angry person will look for things to be angry at etc. It suggests that repressed and suppressed emotions build up to a point that they are released.
This made me think. What makes someone an angry or any kind of person etc? I have a couple of thoughts about this. I’m neurodivergent and for me that comes with difficulties with emotional regulation. So in one part, that. On another part, the past. And there is also, the present. I feel like the past makes things much more painful than they should be for me.
Love, peace and best wishes! 🙏❤️
HelcatParticipantHi John
I’m glad to hear that you’re fine and sorry to hear that you regret your previous message. I can understand why you do because you care deeply about not causing others to feel pain. I don’t believe that you had any ill intent.
I think that it might be hard for some people to practice stepping back from emotions regardless of intent, depending on their emotional regulation skills. I know that in the past, I would not have been able to do it because those skills would not be strong enough. I would potentially have felt defeated in trying then. Fortunately, this advise has come at the right time for me.
I suppose that this is why monks might train people that come to learn from them, as opposed to teaching on the street. And also why therapists only treat people who are ready for change.
If you like, we could continue our conversation by email? I appreciate that we have gone way off topic from the original intention of this thread as well. I appreciate Peter for being a gracious host! 🙏
Perspectives on pain differing. Hmm well I think that goes back to perseverance. Developing emotional resilience and a positive outlook. I think that belief is a very important step for change.
For example, as a child I trusted that a professional adult might be able to help me with my difficulties. I wanted to be different from my mother, I wanted to undo her teaching but I had no clue how to achieve this. I just wanted to try. I knew that I needed help and couldn’t do it on my own.
At the time, to me my pain separated me from others because I felt like they didn’t understand what I had been through. I lived through immense suffering to protect my brother.
But as an adult, I see that everyone suffers albeit in different ways. I no longer see my situation as unique and separate, just a different presentation of the same thing that everyone else is going through. Ups and downs in life.
Back when I was in the most pain as I hit adulthood due to my trauma compounding and not having the skills to cope. I didn’t see a way through it on my own, but I didn’t want to cause my adopted family pain. So once again I sought help to try to find a way through it. It took a lot for me to develop trust in the skill of the psychologist to be open to the experience. You see, the form of therapy I had was gruelling. It has a high drop out rate for participants because it involves re-experiencing severe trauma every day for 3 months. For people who aren’t ready for that experience, it can cause suicide attempts. I had to trust my therapist’s word that once I was through the difficult process that it would have a beneficial effect. I had to be emotionally strong enough to get through the process safely. Fortunately, that trust wasn’t misplaced. It was helpful in stopping the compulsive re-experiencing of traumatic memories that I was suffering from. The purpose was to fully process these memories to stop them from trying to pop up all of the time.
That therapist taught me to be my own therapist, so I would be able to take care of myself in the future and I wouldn’t need her anymore. After therapy there was a lot of work that I had to do on myself because I had to learn to live my life, which was scary and painful as it meant letting go of the safety of shutting myself away from the world.
I developed chronic physical pain and health issues and I needed to learn how to deal with that. I didn’t want to live with extreme physical suffering (for 6 months I couldn’t walk) but I had hope that I could recover somewhat, so I persevered and figured out ways to cope.
Now, I’m at a different stage again. I’ve lived my life for a time, achieved my modest goals. Grown as a person like I intended to. And now I’m raising a child. I need to continue to grow in other ways. I need to teach my son things that can help him in his life, help him to be strong and to be the best person that he can be. To do that, I need to be the best person that I can be. It is no longer about understanding pain because I see my pain as manageable in a way that I didn’t in the past. I just see it as a problem to be overcome and I have the tools that I need to do that. I’m looking for the knowledge, understanding and experience necessary for what I hope to achieve in the future.
I apologise this is going to have to be a two parter. I don’t want to lose what I’ve written so far. To be continued… Take care!
HelcatParticipantI’m reading a fascinating book called Letting Go by David Hawkins. It made me want to share what I just read. It was discussing the effects of expressing negative feelings to others. Essentially, it has negative effects on others. And for us it provides a temporary release and suppresses the issue out of awareness.
I thought that this was a wonderful insight that I hadn’t heard of before.
The answer is said to be taking responsibility for our own feelings. It is said that we project our feelings about ourselves onto others.
Consider blame and ignoring. I blame myself for making mistakes and perceived weakness. I ignore my own needs. I hide from even myself.
HelcatParticipantHi Jana
Earlier, I was reflecting on an inspirational quote that you provided. Is it kind, true and necessary? It truly is inspirational to me too, so I wanted to thank you again for sharing that.
I remembered from earlier on your thread that was what you have been reading. I’ve read some of his books too. They were a great resource. 😊
I would agree about consciousness. I don’t tend to partake in much of that type of thing especially when I’m feeling vulnerable. With the exception of violence on television and when I am feeling okay I do read some news because I believe it is important to be informed about the state of the world, I am selective about what I choose to read and watch. I stay away from triggers. I tend to be the kind of person who is very aware that television isn’t real and I really enjoy stories. I used to watch a lot of martial arts stuff back in the day, so I really do think of violence on television as choreographed. Unless it is UFC fighting or something. I don’t tend to watch actual fighting.
Regarding intention, I don’t tend to have aspirations like that for egotistical purposes. I’m a very practical person. When raising a family, money is ideal. The better that we take care of our son, the better his life can be. I’d suggest that these things can also provide happiness as well as not provide it. I tend to veer on the practical side. Our son needed a new pram since he was growing too big for the old one, we like to walk outdoors as a family and invested in a pram that was suitable for that. It turns out it’s very helpful with pain for me, so when I use the pram I am thankful for it. I hope this makes sense?
I totally agree with the food and sense impressions, I do feel like the sense impressions is intertwined with the other categories previously mentioned. I think sense impressions is the thing that I struggle with the most being neurodivergent. I tend to get overwhelmed with my senses.
Love, peace and best wishes! ❤️🙏
HelcatParticipantI tried the advise that John gave me. It’s a work in progress. I feel like some things are easier to step back from. When something that is harder for me to step back from pops up, like relationship fears. It just plays on a loop in my head for a bit trying to grab my attention and get me to interact with it. I stayed strong and refused to interact with it. In time it went away. It was easier to step back from things after that and I felt calmer throughout the day.
HelcatParticipantI’m very lucky that I got a lot of help with my mental health over the years. People like me usually end up addicted to drugs or dead. Instead, I have a beautiful family and I’m half way through my bachelor’s degree. I can’t complain. I don’t have flashbacks unless there is a trigger. I feel like my body remembers more than I do now. Yes, I have anxiety, but things could be worse. I noticed because of the beta blocker that half of my anxiety is related to being uncomfortable with the physical sensations of anxiety. Simply removing those sensations makes things more manageable.
Our dog is feeling lonely and having anxiety when we leave the house. We’re talking about getting another dog to help him feel better.
Soon it will be two weeks since we’ve had an argument. I’m glad that things are going better.
December 14, 2024 at 2:02 pm in reply to: How healthy is the idea that you are 100% responsible #440578HelcatParticipantI have a saying “In life we don’t always get what we deserve, we just get what we are given and we have to do the best we can with what we have. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.”
December 14, 2024 at 1:55 pm in reply to: How healthy is the idea that you are 100% responsible #440577HelcatParticipantI guess what that means is that context and the belief that people don’t deserve for bad things to happen to them are really important.
December 14, 2024 at 1:42 pm in reply to: How healthy is the idea that you are 100% responsible #440574HelcatParticipantAdditional thoughts: I’d like to highlight the difference between responsibility and blame.
I was assaulted by someone I had previously had a friends with benefits thing with. I ended that after a couple of dalliances because how I was being treat was making me feel extremely uncomfortable.
I didn’t manage my boundaries well. I take responsibility for that.
On the night I was assaulted, I didn’t take common precautions that people recommend. I take responsibility for that. Namely, not to be alone with a man in the evening especially after drinking.
However, there were reasons that I had difficulty with managing my boundaries and wasn’t aware of common precautions. I came from an abusive home as a child. No one taught me these things. I don’t blame myself for not knowing them. Infact, I was taught the opposite. I was taught that sex was all that anyone would want from me and that I would be used and thrown away.
I didn’t make him assault me. He chose to do that all by himself.
I was responsible for my reactions to the assault. I was severely traumatised for years until I got therapy. But I don’t blame myself for that because I had a difficult childhood. These things take help to recover from and that is okay.
I think the difference between responsibility and blame is compassion. If there is compassion and understanding. I don’t see any harm in it. Treating these things without compassion is harmful and would be victim blaming.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
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