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March 13, 2022 at 2:03 pm in reply to: Does anyone have experience overcoming habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation? #395050HelcatParticipant
Thank you for your feedback. I’m sorry for the difficulties you experienced as a child. I’m glad you are in less pain now as an adult.
Fortunately, I haven’t been in contact with my mother since I was a teenager.
It seems the journey recovering from trauma is never ending. There is always more work to be done!
I wouldn’t say my experience as an adult is exactly the same as childhood, though there are still some adverse affects. Thankfully, my therapist helped me deal with a lot of the emotional pain and break the cycle of re-experiencing that abuse. What I experience now is a fraction of what I experienced as a child.
I’ve known that my mother didn’t love myself or my brother since I was a young child. I quickly realised that our home life was very different from others and there are some things that you don’t do if you care about someone. There is no polite way to describe the things she did.
When I was younger I wanted an explanation for why she behaved the way she did. I thought perhaps she was so disturbed by her mental health condition that might be causing it. My psychologist helped me see that it was her choice to behave that way. Many people with mental health issues take care not to abuse their children.
I would appreciate any advice you could give about processing my pain from the past regarding my mother seeing me as a mistake.
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March 13, 2022 at 8:00 am in reply to: My nightmarish day. I want to have a strong heart and a strong future #394971HelcatParticipantHi Ivy!
I thought you fleshed out the characters well, they have very rich emotional backstories. I wondered if you identified with any of them?
I can’t wait to see the storyboard and see the story unfold!
Well done for you hard work on the plot, synopsis and summary. 👏
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HelcatParticipantHi Brian
I’m sorry to hear that you’re not feeling well at the moment. I hope you’re taking extra care of yourself at this difficult time? I hope you feel better soon!
Please do not worry over what happened. You explained your intent, showed me empathy and kindness. As far as I’m concerned things are resolved between us and I have enjoyed the meaningful discussion and learning more about you. I was just responding to Tommy.
HelcatParticipantYes Tommy. When you tell someone you refuse to speak to people when you disagree with their values and they share those values it is called being dismissive. Another value I have is called setting boundaries.
March 12, 2022 at 3:18 pm in reply to: Does anyone have experience overcoming habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation? #394942HelcatParticipantThank you for understanding! It was a long time ago. I left home at the first available opportunity and never looked back. After many years of therapy, I feel that this was the first time I have been able to safely express anger about it. Thank you for giving me that opportunity. I’m not upset at the moment, but it was visceral a long time ago.
That’s a good question. I don’t know. Certainly, I have unresolved issues around the topic. It has indirectly been a theme of my anxious thoughts.
I have a tendency to catastophise and expect the worst. The pins set up by my mother were reinforced by further trauma as a young adult.
I came to expect pain and suffering in all walks of life. I have done some work on this. I know now this is not the case. There are good experiences to be had and kind people out there.
Still, it is often my first thought when I am feeling stressed and overwhelmed. Thank you for helping identify this as an area I need to work on. I’m not sure if it necessarily related to physical pain, but it is definitely how I respond to it. Specifically, jumping to the worst case by experiencing habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation when I feel severe physical pain.
March 12, 2022 at 12:55 pm in reply to: Does anyone have experience overcoming habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation? #394936HelcatParticipantI appreciate your feedback!
To clarify, I feel like the emotions experienced with gaslighting are different from the emotions associated with guilt when inappropriate behaviour has occurred.
I didn’t worry that I had wronged another person. I felt shame, anger and sadness as I was being abused. I was bullied into feeling that I had it coming, not for doing wrong. But for existing. I felt that I existed to be abused and expected only that. This is why I chose the word shame. And this is why I said overly responsible, not because it my fault. It was simply my reality.
Even as a child I had awareness of gaslighting. My mother often told me she loved me, but her behaviour told me otherwise. I was aware that I hadn’t wronged anyone, it was practical to attempt to reduce the level abuse of abuse if at all possible.
I was acutely aware of the inherent danger I was in and I did feel powerless. A small child cannot fight off a 200+ lbs adult. A 100 lbs teenager cannot fight a 200+ lbs adult, though I tried.
The level of abuse and neglect I experienced at the hands of my mother was severe. She wasn’t tired of any chores because I was the one who did them. From the age of 4-5 I used a stove to prepare simple meals for myself and my brother if food was in the house. I looked after the dog, took care of my abuser, protected my brother and cleaned the house.
Most of my childhood she spent sleeping, the rest of the time she was out (leaving us home alone), rarely purchasing food, watching tv, getting drunk and abusing us.
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March 12, 2022 at 1:51 am in reply to: Does anyone have experience overcoming habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation? #394926HelcatParticipantPerhaps guilt isn’t the right word. That would imply that I was at fault, when I wasn’t. I felt overly responsible, perhaps shame is more accurate?
My mother told me that after myself and my brother were born she magically became a terrible person. She claimed to have been perfectly fine before. Her temper could be triggered by the smallest thing, so at night I would analyse the day and try and figure out what I could do better to avoid it.
I think these were part of the reason I felt why I felt. Therapy helped me see that her claims were extremely unlikely and that there was nothing I could do to prevent the abuse. If different children were born to her, they would have been abused too. It wasn’t my fault, she was simply looking for excuses to take her feelings out on us.
I have had a chronic pain condition for many years now. The level of physical pain fluctuates, when I relax before going to sleep is often when I experience the most physical pain. I find muscle tension reduces the amount of physical pain I can feel, when my muscles relax it can be overwhelming and there is little to distract me. Worries are easier to think about than allowing myself to be immersed in the experience of physical pain.
Previously, due to trauma I have had experience with emotional numbing and dissociation. I also have a tendency to dissociate to escape physical pain. Over the years I have made some progress with recovery, reducing the amount of physical pain I’m in so I am trying not to rely on that as much.
March 11, 2022 at 6:00 pm in reply to: Does anyone have experience overcoming habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation? #394913HelcatParticipantThank you for elaborating, I found it very helpful. I am glad to hear that you are in significantly less pain now.
It makes sense that I may have to learn more about the reasons why these thoughts occur and the feelings behind them.
I don’t believe it’s based in guilt for me. As a child I felt alone and unloved because of the abuse. For a long time, I struggled with feelings of not being good enough or being unlovable. At the time, I blamed myself, as children do. I have a fear that rears it’s head occasionally. I worry that my loved ones will one day decide they made a mistake by caring for me and abandon me. Arguments definitely trigger these feelings. I guess, I fear feeling how I did in the past.
Generally, I am in significantly less emotional pain these days. But, I also get overwhelmed and upset fairly easily.
Also, I have a bad habit of avoiding physical pain by focusing on anxiety. I have a habit of worrying about various stressors in my life as opposed to focusing on emotional pain from the past.
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HelcatParticipantHi Brian
Thank you for elaborating on the issue!
Whilst some people do this when they don’t like people there are other reasons why people act in this way.
1) People may have difficulties that they are not discussing.
2) Often people have fairly small circles of close friends. Then there tends to be friends that they talk to less frequently.
3) Some people have very busy lives, especially those with children and working for example.
4) It is really easy to read a text then put down the phone and forget about it.
I’m not trying to defend these behaviours; simply explain that at least some of the time the intent may be different. I think it’s great that you set boundaries by not interacting with people that don’t put effort into maintaining a relationship.
HelcatParticipantHi Petalinthewind
That doesn’t surprise me. His wife may be aware of his affairs or at least is intentionally ignoring them.
Please don’t be too hard on yourself about the ice cream! I’m sorry for the pain you suffered over this man.
HelcatParticipantHi Brian
Thank you for sharing that, it means a lot! It helps me understand you.
I don’t mind if you don’t answer questions. Your thoughts and feelings are private and it’s up to you whether you wish to discuss them.
Life is too short to put up with people for years.I doubt many people have the capacity to do such a thing. Were there any specific things those people did that gave you that impression?
There is a saying that you might find helpful. If someone treats you poorly, it says more about them than it does about you. This means the way that people treat each other is often dictated by their internal world. Someone in a good mood is more likely to respond positively even when confronted with challenging circumstances. Whereas someone in a bad mood might respond poorly to everything.
I can understand the difficulty of finding the right balance and appreciate your honesty.
I hope we can continue speaking. I think you communicated your thoughts and feelings very well. I feel this conversation has been meaningful.
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HelcatParticipantHi Arie
That is understandable! He is going through a very difficult time at the moment. He communicated that he isn’t able to be as responsive at the moment and isn’t able to see you right now for a very good reason. I’m sure when he is able he will be in contact with you.
You are correct. None of this is your fault, he is simply trying to pick up the pieces and put himself back together after the abuse he received from his mother. It is very kind of you to be concerned and want to help. But this is something he may largely have to do alone until he feels better and the abuse dies down.
I recommend against going over. He may not feel up to leaving the house due to his depression and being around his mother is a bad idea as it may encourage her to involve you in her abuse. When he feels up to it picking him up and going elsewhere might be a good option.
How are you doing? I hope you are taking care of yourself and keeping yourself occupied to distract yourself from the stress of your partners situation.
HelcatParticipantHi Brian
I would add that here it might be helpful for you to politely discuss when you feel uncomfortable around others.
In person, when socialising setting boundaries doesn’t necessarily involve discussion. It might simply be politely asking someone not to do something or politely excusing yourself. With closer friends or family discussion might be involved if they are open to it.
HelcatParticipantHi Brian
I have found it difficult to socialise with people due to a lack of trust after experiencing trauma. I also have a learning disability so people often describe me as weird. But weird isn’t necessarily a bad thing. My husband is weird and I love that about him. Own your weird!
My own low self-esteem and social anxiety issues caused me to feel uncomfortable around others.
Seeking therapy, addressing self-esteem and social anxiety issues helped me. Also, I had to practice being around people while I was uncomfortable in order to relax around them and be more comfortable. Depending on the situation this took a great deal of time, patience and willingness to experience discomfort.
Personally, I am not uncomfortable when discussing things with you. I experience mild discomfort when my morals and even myself as a person are dismissed. Dismissing people is often considered rude or hurtful. You have a habit of performing this behaviour.
Do I believe that you intend to cause harm by doing this? I hope not, I believe that you may do this when you are feeling uncomfortable.
Perhaps there is a middle ground that could be reached? That may involve altering your communication style in an effort not to dismiss people or simply thanking people for their feedback.
Personally, I had to learn to alter my communication style and set boundaries because I had a habit of allowing abuse. Assertiveness is a great communication style that I found helpful.
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March 11, 2022 at 1:29 am in reply to: Does anyone have experience overcoming habitual thoughts of suicidal ideation? #394863HelcatParticipant@anita and @HoneyBlossom
Thank you both for sharing! I appreciate your experiences and advice. I hope you have a good day.
It is comforting to learn that these thoughts might one day cease on their own accord. Focusing on one day at a time sounds like good advice.
An emotional part of me does feel like pain from the past will last forever, simply because it has so far. But, the logical side of me differs. I do not focus on the pain. My attention comes and goes as I prefer to focus on my life. The pain continues to get smaller. I am hopeful that one day those feelings will resolve. Perhaps this is a foolish hope, or a denial of the idea of living with it. Perhaps these feelings are something that I will need to accept.
I have tried reframing the thoughts. It doesn’t seem to stick though. It may take more time? I will keep at it as I have been able to successfully reframe other thoughts in the past. This one is stubborn though.
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