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  • in reply to: The Absence #116451
    Peter
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    Tannhauser “utterly and comprehensively destroyed the ‘Loving Father-God’ archetype”
    An archetype, among other things, represents the psychological energy behind the symbol. I note you lump Love, God and Father into one archetypal image which may have gotten in your way.

    Is it possible that when words like Father are connected to the experience of God that they are intended to be transparent to the transcendent, pointing to more than a reward and punishment theology.

    Is it possible that it was right that your expectation of your Father-God image be destroyed, not out of bitterness, but as a door to growth?

    in reply to: The Absence #116443
    Peter
    Participant

    I have not read the book but recall an article where the letters were used as evidence that Mother Teresa had lost her faith.

    Essentially the authors of the article equated doubt and the experiences of absence of G_d’s grace, love, justice, dark night of the soul if you will as the loss of faith.

    Perhaps anticipating such misunderstandings a part of the reason that she wished to keep her written struggles to herself.

    I disagree with the authors of that article as ‘fear is to courage’ as ‘doubt is to faith’. That it is in times of doubt that we exercise faith, often in the process discovering what or faith. Times of certainty does not require faith.

    In her service I do not wonder why Mother Teresa experience times of absence of G_ds grace, justice, love and even doubt as to G_d’s love and goodness. Yet she continued to act and serve ‘as if’. Acting in with certain intention in times of doubt and uncertainty. That is not a contradiction.

    The paradox, or is it irony, or is it miracle… that for many of those she served she became the experience of G_d’s presents, grace, goodness… In her experience of absence she became the experience of presents for others!

    I find that amazing.

    in reply to: Do you believe in God? #116425
    Peter
    Participant

    When asked if he believed in God. Jung replied, “I don’t need to believe, I know”

    I’ve often puzzled over that statement of certainty made by Jung. Was Jung certain in his faith? When faith is certain is it still faith? Is there a difference of being certain and acting in the certainty of one’s faith in times of doubt? Do we, should we act with certainty, even when we are not certain?

    So many questions. What was Jung’s concept of God, faith and belief… what was mine?

    My observations of others as they talked about god became confused as it seemed to me that they were talking about an Alien being with supernatural powers to which we must obey, worship, or else.

    Reading the religious texts literally such a being did not appear to my mind worthy of worship let alone obedience. In the face of such a being we could be nothing but play things at its mercy and so like Job must remain silent in its bombast.

    I could not believe, let alone have faith, in such an Alien being. Yet my inner most being would respond to the question of G_d with a yes. What did I know? Not much, doubt a constant companion, yet a inner something within answering yes.

    In my religious training I was taught to fear doubt, to banish it, to deny it and pretend…. But what if doubt was the door that all seekers must open and pass through. That it is in times of doubt when ones faith is discovered and exercised, open to learning better so that I might do better.

    I was saying yes, but what was I saying yes to. What was my experience of G_d

    Joseph Campbell study of the stories we tell lead him to an idea that the words used in myth should be allowed to be Transparent to the Transcendent. That the map is not the territory. That the word god is not God but a symbol that points to an idea, experiences, a something that is no-thing. Words as a open window that we are meant to look through and not a wall that blocks the way.

    In Islam images of God are not permitted. In Judaism God is often written as G_d. In early Christianly a requirement that anything said about God must also be un-said. The intention I believe to remind those with ears to hear to look pasts the words to that which they point. We use to know this. Today I wonder if for many religious texts haven’t become an idle, a graven image of God, a wall.

    “It’s like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don’t concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.” ― Bruce Lee

    All words are symbols, windows, that point past themselves and when you begin to allow the words to be transparent, especially those in religious text you begin to see how they all pull in the same direction.

    Each story is connected, we are all connected, all part of each other, the all that is one. The life – death – life cycle that is LIFE as it is. LIFE requiring the sacrifice of life for its becoming,

    LIFE as it is, every breath, a virgin birth, sacrificed (suffering/betrayal as the moment is not meant to last), death, re-birth. LIFE as it is, LOVE, GOD.

    YES

    in reply to: Do you believe in God? #116402
    Peter
    Participant

    It is in times of doubt when we discover faith.

    Fear is to courage as doubt is to faith.

    Doubt is a door.

    Clarissa Pinkola Estes

    Abre la puerta
    Her name is Hope and she’s 12 years old,
    going on 20 to life. She is god at 5 feet tall.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door
    and let her in, give her food.

    Old Florence lives in the parking garage
    at the university with her bags and packs
    on the floor all around and she washes
    her 84 year old body in the sink at the library
    with a piece of flannel from her deceased husband’s pajamas.
    Abre la Puerta, she’s god.
    Florence is God, there’s a God named Florencia.

    Remember that old abuelita, your grandest grandmother?
    How she staggered toward you on legs so thin?
    You were just a baby then and she smiled all over your infant self
    and when you rose young and steaming from the void
    that was God in her abuelita form, crying with joy just to see you,
    “Que, que, que babybita” she’d say to you.
    “Oh look at you, you babybaby you…”

    “Look,” says God, “she talks.” God talks baby talk.
    She opened a door in her belly for you.
    Your grandmother is God. God is a grandmother

    And you remember that red room where you grew? That was God.
    And remember the warm hands that received you? That was God.
    And you remember your father’s hands holding your face,
    as though it were some kind of jewel that might break?
    In that moment, he was God.

    Your mate who snores, well… God snores, you see.
    Your mate is God, who can never find his socks.
    And your lover who burns for things you cannot give,
    that is God also.

    Your mate is God.
    God is a housewife in mudface and hair curlers
    at the door waving goodbye in a housecoat.
    God wears a housecoat.

    And, oh, the world that is young and has loved so deeply
    and been betrayed, whose skin hangs like rags
    and whose arms have no muscle and whose eyes have lost luster;
    open the door of your heartaches and step through the door of your betrayal.
    Pass through the hole that is left in your heart.
    Pass through because it is a door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    Do you remember that your legs are el anillo, the ring that circles the lover?
    Your legs make a door, pass through the door,
    Abre la Puerta pass the bulb through.
    Open the door, the most sacred of doors,
    the trail through your belly and the road up your spine.

    Remember, fire is a door.
    and song is a door. A scar is a door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    The forest on fire is a door
    and the ocean ruined is a door.
    Anything that needs us
    or calls us to God is a door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    Anything that hurts us,
    anything that needs us opens the door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    All of these years of seeming indestructibility,
    the grandfather of your world dies
    and his heart explodes
    and yours breaks into a thousand pieces.
    These are doors. Open the doors.
    Abre la Puerta. Pass through these doors.

    The world is a tribe of one-breasted women.
    Walk through the door of the scars on their chest.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    Over the edge of the world you go,
    into the abyss. You march in time.
    And put the best medicine in the worst of the wounds.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    The lake in which you almost drowned, that is a door.
    The slap in the face that made you kiss the floor, that is a door.
    The betrayal that sent you straight to hell, that is a door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    Same old story, all strong souls first go to hell
    before they do the healing of the world they came here for.
    If we are lucky we return to help those still trapped below.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.
    Hell is a door caused by pain.

    Opening a flower, rain opening the Earth
    the kisses of humans opening the heart of the world
    these are doors.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    The scar drawn by razors, that is a door.
    The scars that are doors are opened, are opened.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    The scars drawn by chainsaws across forests, those are doors.
    The poem of new life that comes every dawn,
    the soaring of sun, that is a door, the grave is a door.
    The door to hell is a door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    Your grandmother, your grandfather,
    your mother, your father have died leaving a hole in your life.
    Step through that hole. It is an opening.
    That hole is a threshold. That hole is a door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.
    Abre la Puerta, open the door.

    Clarissa Pinkola Estes

    Peter
    Participant

    I found David Richo book ‘How to Be an Adult in Relationships: The Five Keys to Mindful Loving’

    Love has many dimensions, many paths leading to the still point.

    “But what is worse, smelling the roast and not feasting, or not smelling the roast at all?”
    ― Garth Stein, The Art of Racing in the Rain

    “There is no dishonor in losing the race. There is only dishonor in not racing because you are afraid to lose.” ― Garth Stein, The Art of Racing in the Rain

    I’ve looked at love from both sides now
    From give and take, and still somehow
    It’s love’s illusions I recall
    I really don’t know love at all

    Tears and fears and feeling proud
    To say “I love you” right out loud
    Dreams and schemes and circus crowds
    I’ve looked at life that way

    But now old friends are acting strange
    They shake their heads, they say I’ve changed
    Well something’s lost, but something’s gained
    In living every day

    I’ve looked at life from both sides now
    From win and lose and still somehow
    It’s life’s illusions I recall
    I really don’t know life at all – Both Sides, Now by Joni Mitchell

    “The car goes where your eyes go. The driver who cannot tear his eyes away from the wall as he spins out of control will meet that wall; the driver who looks down the track as he feels his tires break free will regain control of his vehicle.” ― Garth Stein, The Art of Racing in the Rain

    in reply to: Am I turning into a bad person? #116332
    Peter
    Participant

    The other day I overheard someone tell another person who had suffered a theft that karma would catch up with the thief and punish them. Karma a kind of universal police force of justice punishing the wrong doer. I joked if the person wishing bad karma on the thief as a form of justice wasn’t creating bad karma for themselves.

    The joke begged the question:

    Was Karma a force for justice, a way of balancing the score, a construct that allowed us to feel ok with the confrontation of the problem of why bad things happen to good people?

    Was the idea of karma a reward punishment theology where as long as I did everything right and obeyed all the rules I would be rewarded and not punished?

    I don’t think Karma is about justice or reward and punishment. My understanding of observation about the concept of karma is more like the filters through which we view our experiences. (Or that limit our experiences)

    I believe we become the stories we tell ourselves and our karma greatly influence the stories we are able to tell and so the experiences we have.

    My own experiences has been that it is very difficult to change a story we tell ourselves about who we are. Past lives, Nature and nurture, many of the filters through which we view life through were defined and influenced before we were born, or reborn, and more often than not remain unconscious.

    I wonder could the theology for reward and punishment be an example of a karmic filter that needs to be overcome.

    What if the “reward” of good karma wasn’t that only good things happen to us but that we become capable of seeing through the illusion of “the good” and “the bad”, reward and punishment, (the problem of opposites?) and doing so able to live life as it is, realizing that as it is, is good, and good, LOVE.

    In your post you write about your expectation that being a good person meant that others would not disappoint you, in essence rewarding you for being a good person. (Disappointment becoming a filter shaping your experience)

    I get it, I’ve been there, and it sucks.

    I wonder if it’s possible to create some space and re-evaluate the reward and punishment thinking and how that filter has colored your experiences.

    How would your expectations of reward and punishment been experienced by those you are in relationship with? Did they experience your love or your expectations?

    What if the choices you make to be “good” were made not for any expectation of reward but because they were right (as best as you know them to be) in and of themselves? Decisions made because they came from your authentic sense of self and as such reason enough?
    A way of loving yourself that allows for mistakes and wrong turns with the intention that when you learn better you do better. Image living life without such self-created tensions or anxieties of reward and punishment?

    It is in my opinion that it is our karma, our filters, that make it difficult to authentically love ourselves and loving ourselves, love others, setting in motion the limits of our experiences.

    There is a hermetic saying that as above so below, as below so above. We are influenced but also influence – the reality being that we are influenced (by our karma/filters/nurture/nature/others) far more easily then we influence.

    It is my belief or maybe it is a hope, that learning to authentically love ourselves creates the space to reshape our karmic story and so create the relationships that we yearn for. A reward not for following the rules and doing everything right but because it is, life is, and we are.

    in reply to: Do I need a purpose? #105810
    Peter
    Participant

    Personally I found the ‘Purpose Driven Life’ movement unhelpful and more often than not opening the door to depression.

    The problem is that when most people talk about purpose they are imagining something grand, something experienced with every breath we take… One wonders is the need for a purpose isn’t a desire that what we do is be recognize by others?

    The reality is that purpose like meaning is a subjective experience and not something that exists in and of itself as an measurable objective experience. We do love to measure things and you would think we would be better at it.

    As Joseph Campbell put it with regards to the question of life having meaning (purpose) “Each of us has meaning and we bring it to life. It is a waste to be asking the question when you are the answer.”

    As such ‘purpose’ may be the experiencing and bring to consciousness our experiences as they are.

    “If you do follow your bliss you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. Follow your bliss and don’t be afraid, and doors will open where you didn’t know they were going to be.” Joseph Campbell

    “People say that what we’re all seeking is a meaning for life. I don’t think that’s what we’re really seeking. I think that what we’re seeking is an experience of being alive, so that our life experiences on the purely physical plane will have resonances with our own innermost being and reality, so that we actually feel the rapture of being alive.” Joseph Campbell

    “If you can see your path laid out in front of you step by step, you know it’s not your path. Your own path you make with every step you take. That’s why it’s your path.” – Joseph Campbell

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