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Hi Beni,
I am sorry for never replying to this… I had health issues and a related health anxiety too, and it consumed me pretty much and it was hard to post anything constructive here…
How have you been doing?
I belief my heart can stay open to anyone and that boundries can be set with an open heart.
I think you are right. I am learning that at the moment. To not be angry at the person, to want all the best for them, and yet to set boundaries in order to protect myself from abuse. We can have compassion for the person, and yet, the person can be toxic and self-destructive (e.g. someone who is addicted is like that). And that’s why we need to set boundaries. But still, we don’t need to hate them when we set boundaries. We don’t need to close our hearts. So yeah, I agree with you.
At the same time, they might accuse us of being selfish for setting boundaries, they might guilt-trip us. In reality, we are not selfish, it’s just that we don’t want to be manipulated and taken advantage of. We do love them, but we don’t want to enable their addiction, for example.
We can have compassion both for ourselves and for them (for their true self, and their true needs). And from that place, we set boundaries. So yeah, I think it’s possible to keep an open heart and yet protect ourselves from abuse. Thank you for pointing that out…
I hope you are doing well, Beni. I’d love to hear from you, if you’re reading this…
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
I am very sorry for not responding earlier… I am still suffering from health issues and health anxiety, and so it was hard to write here and contribute something constructive…
I hope you are doing well, Adam. I was glad to hear that you are dating a new girl and it was good at the time being. How is it now?
The other important thing my psych mentioned was how I might be finding it harder with new relationships that are more stable simply because I am not getting that ‘high’ that comes from a ‘low’. Rather it’s a steady and healthy pace, however I need to remind myself that this is a good thing.
Yeah, you were craving for the “high”, for the blissful moments you sometimes felt with your ex, and this is what made it harder to let her go, even when her behavior turned toxic. Gradually getting to know your partner, gradually deepening emotional intimacy, is I think a better way and has more chances to succeed on the long run.
I was glad to hear that you are doing fine last time you wrote. Sorry for not responding there and then… I hope you are well and will be reading this…
February 21, 2024 at 1:09 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #427996TeeParticipantDear Seaturtle,
I’ve been following some of the conversation on this thread, and have read some of the accounts of N, not all of it.
You are now starting to question if you are a narcissist, and worrying about it, and my impression is that no, you are not. You said on page 2 “I feel that same impulse to let people know they have been heard, it also hurts me deeply when I am the cause of someone else being on the “unseen” end of an interaction with me“.
If you care about other people being seen and heard, and also if you care about how other people feel and if they were hurt by your words/actions, then you are definitely not a narcissist.
There is a good youtube video by a psychologist Kati Morton “Are you a narcissist? 8 common traits of narcissism“, answering this question. Towards the end of the video, she gives a list of questions to ask yourself to determine if you have narcissistic traits:
- Are you concerned about how others feel? Would it bother you if you knew that you upset someone?
- Are you quick to apologize when you’ve hurt someone else’s feelings?
- Does too much attention make you nervous and anxious?
- Do you often think that other people aren’t good enough to associate with you?
- Do you often struggle to apologize or think that every disagreement is someone else’s fault?
- Do you struggle to see things from someone else’s perspective?
From what I could gather, you did care about N’s feelings, but he didn’t care much about yours, e.g. when he would be regularly late for dates, or when he would spend hours in the evening talking to your common roommate, while you were waiting for him in bed. Just to mention a few examples.
You talked about being controlling, but it actually referred to not wanting to engage in some dangerous, adrenaline boosting activities. That’s not control – that’s self-protection. You had every right to refuse the things you were scared of doing.
N is an addict, unfortunately, who is numbing his feelings by smoking weed. That’s probably why nothing seems to bother him (his Teflon approach to problems). However, this also means he isn’t sensitive to either his own pain, neither your pain and your legitimate needs (e.g. to not be late, not disregard you when you are waiting for him, etc).
It seems he was blaming you for having those legitimate needs, telling you are too demanding, or too sensitive. In the meanwhile, he was numbing himself and making himself artificially insensitive.
That’s why I believe it’s a good idea you left him, and that you don’t try to go back and “save” him and make him more sensitive, specially until he is addicted. He might have many good qualities, but his emotional numbness and the pain he is causing you with it isn’t something you should live with.
February 20, 2024 at 11:49 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #427995TeeParticipantDear Daphne,
happy belated New Year to you too! I am sorry for not responding and for disappearing again… it’s my health issues and health anxiety that I am struggling with, and it kind of takes away my capacity and focus to write here on the forum.
I am sorry about the religious man. Yeah, the fact that he wasn’t keeping the conversation alive was a sign that he wasn’t really interested. He never replied to the video you sent him, and then he ghosted you, until you inquired how he was 3 months later.
Did I make a mistake by waiting for him and not asking directly if he wants to go out again with me? Was he not interested enough in me or just not sure of my interest level?
It’s okay that you weren’t pushing it, because it wouldn’t have been any better. Honestly, I think he wasn’t interested enough, because otherwise he would have replied to the video you sent him and kept the conversation going, perhaps asking you on a second date etc.
Or maybe I scared him by saying that my fiancée passed away many years ago? (afraid that I won’t love again)? He asked if I could ever love someone new. I told him that yes & that divorce is also a death of a relationship but not sure if he thought the same way. Maybe I opened up too much about my past?
I don’t think you shared too much about yourself. What could have been off-putting for him is that you said that he shouldn’t be in touch with his ex wife (I told him that divorce is also a death of a relationship). Perhaps you also expressed a veiled disappointment that he has a close relationship with his stepson (I told him politely that I want to focus now on creating life with someone new and not live their past.) So perhaps he felt that you are sensitive to him talking about the people in his past, and caring about his stepson, and this was a red flag for him.
But as I said, I think you reacting like that is the consequence of your childhood wound, having been abandoned by your father. That’s why you want the man in your life “all for yourself” and you are worried if they have any other major interests – because that seems like they are betraying and abandoning you. Do you think this could be the case?
I’m hoping to meet someone who is not afraid of those emotions but sometimes I’m the one running. I realised that I can’t handle emotionally the constant chats on WhatsApp or on the phone. Why is that? I feel overwhelmed if there is too much exchange as well. Maybe it is the introvert in me and nothing to do with the childhood?
Well, I too don’t like to chat to the person I love – I prefer to talk over the phone because it’s easier and the communication can be deeper than over chat. Chat can be exhausting because it takes a lot of time to write down everything I want to say 🙂 So I prefer talking on the phone for a deeper, smoother communication.
But if you feel emotionally overwhelmed during a chat, maybe it’s the content of what the person is saying? You said that with the religious man, you felt that the conversation was emotionally draining when he was talking about his stepson and his ex-wife (I told him politely that I want to focus now on creating life with someone new and not live their past. He should learn from it by now. It was a bit emotionally draining for me…). So perhaps that particular conversation was emotionally draining because it triggered strong emotions in you (e.g. fear of abandonment, jealousy)?
Maybe it is the introvert in me and nothing to do with the childhood?
I’d say that if we get triggered often in our communication with a potential partner/date, it’s most probably because we have a lot of unprocessed emotions, stemming from those childhood wounds. I don’t think it’s necessarily the issue of being introverted, because introverted people also like to have a deep bond with their significant other. They are not afraid of too much emotional intimacy. So I believe it’s more to do with those unprocessed emotions and wounds, than with being introverted.
Dear Dafne, I think I’ll stop here for now. I hope you are fine. Thank you for checking in on me, and I am sorry once again for responding so late…
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
congratulations on getting married in your homeland too! And having a big wedding that you enjoyed, despite your family not being super happy about it.
What is more important, I am so glad you feel free from your family’s expectations and guilt-tripping, free to enjoy your marriage and your own choices. I am super happy about you and how much you’ve grown and blossomed in these last few years!!
My health is so-so, still suffering from health anxiety. And it is not helping that I have various health issues (smaller but not insignificant) popping up rather frequently… which kind of gives me the reason to worry. So it’s hard to break free from the cycle of worrying… Anyway, I am working on it, hopefully will see some results soon.
During my childhood, my mom was always nice,kinf,loving but not expressive. She never said no to anything I asked, and she never scolded me. She was really kind. But what was missing for me was the feeling of being taken care of. I wished my parents would be more concerned about me, wondering where I was if I disappeared for a bit. Unlike other kids’ parents, mine didn’t ask about my day. It felt like I wasn’t really looked after or belonged to anyone, and that made me feel lonely and i used to look for attention and love from others .
It’s nice that your mother was kind and never scolded you. And that she was physically tender with you and never rejected you when you wanted her comfort and soothing (I remember her arms, the hands that fed me, and her lap, where I would rest my head even though I was getting older). That’s very healthy.
Perhaps what was missing was her showing more interest in you, like asking you how your day was, and also perhaps noticing that you feel sad about something and asking you about it? Maybe she failed to protect you if your siblings (or relatives) were cruel with you? (she couldn’t understand that I needed protection and emotional support.)
If so, it would be a type of emotional neglect (failing to protect you, or failing to notice your mood and comfort you). And as you say, this was inherent in the traditional upbringing: Our family followed the older tradition where having a family and kids was normal, and they didn’t think much beyond basic needs like food, clothes, and getting married. It was usual in our culture for older siblings to take care of the younger ones.
If older siblings were supposed to take care of the younger ones, they of course couldn’t take care of their emotional needs, but of their physical safety at most. Which is not enough, because we need emotional safety and attunement even more than food and clothing. So… if you had no one to take care of your emotional needs, no wonder you felt lonely and unwanted, and looked elsewhere to meet that need (It felt like I wasn’t really looked after or belonged to anyone, and that made me feel lonely and i used to look for attention and love from others.).
It’s not your mom’s fault – it’s just how she was raised and what she knew. But she also gave you a lot of physical touch and cuddling, which is super important, and she was also never abusive (she never criticized you, yelled at you, shamed you, or emotionally manipulated you). This all means that you did get a lot of her love, only it wasn’t complete. As you yourself said, emotional protection and support was missing… but now you are getting it from your husband, and are also giving it to yourself. Which is why you’ve had a major healing!
And I am super happy for all the healing and growth you’ve experienced, and all the positive vibes coming from you! Congratulations, Peace!
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
ehhh I know, it’s been a long time, and I’ve disappeared again 🙁
It’s mostly because of health issues, larger and smaller, which have been causing me health anxiety. It’s like I do have real health issues (I am not imagining it), but then my fear and worry about it make things worse. It occupies me, and it’s hard to focus on anything productive, including posting here on the forum.
So yeah, I am sorry for not responding and disappearing yet again… And I thank you for being so kind and checking in on me… I really appreciate it, SereneWolf.
How have you been?
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
You have like your own little farm that you grow crops in? what plants are there?
No, I live in an apartment building. I meant that in general: that rain is good for the crops out there in the fields 🙂
And you’re indeed much stronger than you think! No matter what your anxiety says to you.
Yeah, I guess so. It’s my learned helplessness that was telling me differently. That’s what I’ve realized recently: that I adopted learned helplessness in many areas of my life (due to my childhood and upbringing), and it’s been a slow process to “unlearn” it. The most recent but long-lasting example is my health problems, which triggered a lot of my childhood trauma.
And it actually occurred to me that you’re the opposite of me in that sense: whereas my “modus operandi” is learned helplessness (believing that I am weak, and relying too much on other people to help me/save me), yours seems to be excessive self-reliance, to the point to pushing other people away. In other words, I am too needy, while you seem to be not needing anyone, or rather, not wanting to need anyone.
Both of those are defense mechanisms to a similar type of childhood wounding, but they are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. You had a very criticizing father and a mother who didn’t protect you, whereas for me it was a very criticizing mother and a father who didn’t protect me. Your mother and my father were more interested in keeping the “peace” in the house, while less interested in their child’s well-being.
My father was more interested in appeasing my mother, than in protecting me. He would minimize and try to explain away my mother’s behavior. He was gaslighting both himself and me that what is happening is not a big deal. I believe your mother was the same?
Of course, when I was a child I didn’t know that my father’s silence meant that he isn’t able to confront my mother. Instead, I believed that I was the problem and that my mother is right. My father’s silence meant a confirmation that I was a faulty child, that something is wrong with me. So he was complicit in my mother’s emotional abuse. He was a silent bystander, even though he never personally treated me badly.
Anyway, I believe we got a double whammy of one abusive parent and the other silent/complicit. And it ruined our self-esteem, because the complicit parent didn’t protect us from the abusive one, and so the only message we’ve received was that we are bad and faulty. At least that’s the message I’ve received.
You did say your mother was kind and caring in many instances, and so was my father (specially when it was just the two of us spending time together, going on holidays, hikes etc). But when it comes to confronting my mother about her behavior (both towards me and towards himself), my father was weak. And so her message (that I am not good enough) never got counter-balanced by something positive.
Maybe I am repeating myself because we’ve been talking about this before. But it is what I’ve been thinking recently – how our defense mechanisms are on the opposite sides of the spectrum. Me: too dependent and needy. You: too “independent” and not wanting to need anyone.
And it was not that hard for you to opt for total self-reliance – because you were quite capable and managed to get out unscathed from many tough situations/adventures, without needing your parents to save you. Which I guess strengthened the sense that you don’t need them and can manage on your own (in lot of situations I was alone and I saved my own self. There are some situations where people did helped me but still..)
So once you were old enough (around 16), you stopped relying on your parents for physical survival and sustenance, and you moved out. You didn’t need them for emotional sustenance either, because they’ve hurt you, each in their own way. The result is that you became totally self-reliant. (In comparison, I still felt like a child at 20, and couldn’t imagine to move out and live independently.)
It’s not a bad thing if we’re physically/financially self-reliant (that’s something we should actually strive for as adults – to be able to support ourselves). But your self-reliance stretches into the emotional realm too (But basically for relationship you’re right I’ve been hurt and I was alone so I thought just myself is enough). And this is giving you trouble now…
So what you mean is a process of trusting first and even for me in relationship trust comes first and after that, love.
Well, trust has to be built. I was talking about the person having a track record of being trustworthy, e.g. of showing up when they’ve promised, of not laughing at you when you show vulnerability, of supporting you when something bad happens (e.g. when your cat died). After a while, you realize you can trust them that they won’t hurt you or betray you.
Maybe somewhere I still believe in fast love yet still have that feeling of security which isn’t right. My controlling behavior haha
Fast love can be infatuation – it’s when we have our rose-colored glasses on and idealize the person and fail to see the warning signs. But for you, I guess you’re afraid to fall in love – you are afraid to form an attachment to the person – because you are afraid they’d hurt you. I think that whenever we get attached to someone, we need something from them, and them disappearing from our lives would hurt us. So that’s a risk that you are not willing to take yet.
I think that’s why you don’t feel “fast love” – because you’re preventing yourself from falling in love, i.e. to form that attachment.
And slow love, like getting to know the person, building trust and love based on that. It seems long process but there is actually much higher probability.
Yes, and you’re actually getting to know her, and based on what you said, she seems trustworthy. But your fear doesn’t let you start trusting her. It doesn’t let you fall in love with her either.
But because I was already in many unhealthy relationship dynamics even that seems questionable and time wasting to me. So in a way I’m craving a heathy love yet still exhausted to actually put in efforts for healthy love. Me, I’m the problem it’s me
Yes, it is 🙂 You’re seeing it clearly. Which is a good place to start healing 🙂
I’ve got some ideas why you have so much mistrust, and I think it’s related to your mother not really supporting you, but making allegiance with your father (excusing his abusive behavior, and telling you to be the mature one and tolerate abuse). So it was a kind of betrayal.
How do you feel about all this? We can explore it some more, if you feel like it…
TeeParticipantOh I am sorry, SereneWolf. I was hoping this time it would work out 🙁
Did they say why you were not selected? Because you were pleased with how it went, you said it was even beyond your expectations. Although the interviewer didn’t ask many questions and as you said, had low energy.
The Technical interviewer had less energy and I was energetic, so I guess she did like that enthusiasm as well.
Maybe she was actually jealous of your enthusiasm and didn’t like it? It wouldn’t be your fault, of course, but maybe she is intimidated by people who seem more confident and energetic than she is?
In any case, I am very sorry. It’s their loss not hiring you, because you would have been a great asset… But anyway, you’ll find something else, something close to your heart, and hopefully very soon!
I’ll get back to you with the rest a bit later. Have a nice weekend!
October 26, 2023 at 1:00 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #423746TeeParticipantDear Dafne,
you are very welcome!
I am fine more or less, having some issues but keeping my health anxiety at bay, which is a new experience for me. I am learning new things about the nervous system and how we can “rewire” it, so we can be less anxious.
You helped me to see the things for what they are and not for what I wish them to be. I am much better now knowing that my feelings were ,real’, that I am not overreacting and that there is someone out there who understands my pain.
I am happy you’re feeling better now and more understood. And yes, you were not overreacting – your father did cause you a lot of pain and then denied it, putting all the blame on you. As children, we always take that blame, we always believe there’s something wrong with us when the parent abuses or neglects us. And we carry that blame into our adulthood too.
We carry not only the blame, but also the belief that we are not good enough. This false belief almost becomes our “curse” because it directs everything we do, as well as the way we see ourselves and other people. And we might not even be aware of it.
I’m also glad that you could find ways to nurture your inner child and feel loved again
Yes, that was the turning point in my healing – when I’ve come across the concept of the inner child. Because until then, I was making some progress, but I could never stop blaming myself, I could never find enough compassion for myself – until I realized that I was an innocent, precious child who was not given the love and appreciation that every child needs and deserves. And that I was lacking because of that. That was the turning point, that’s when I could finally feel compassion for myself and start loving myself.
Your’re right about my father. I’ve lied to myself for so many years, explaining his bad behaviour and suffering in silence. I’ve shed too many tears…
Yeah, I can imagine. You were feeling unloved and uncared for, and you were excusing your father’s lack of love and care, and at least partially blaming yourself for it. I hope you can now see that it wasn’t your fault, and that you are lovable and worthy, even if your father didn’t show this to you.
I’m not gonna argue with him anymore or beg for his attention.
Good decision! Because his recent behavior shows that he refuses to take any responsibility for his actions and keeps blaming you. Wanting anything from him would be a recipe for continual pain and suffering…
I will try to live day by day. I only hope that those past experiences won’t mess up my relationships with others.
I hope you can find the way to heal those childhood wounds. If you can’t afford a therapist who works with the inner child, perhaps you could check out some online materials and try to do self-healing?
To answer your question Tee, I’m not sure what triggered my response with that last man. Maybe I was scared of him leaving me sooner or later? Or maybe I felt embarrassed that the stepfather can be more loving than my own father?
It could be either. If we feel not good enough, we then fear that people won’t like us and that they will leave us (like your father left you when you were a child). And so we try to prevent that hurt by leaving them before they can leave us.
Or the other option you’ve mentioned: you might have felt the pain of your father’s lack of love and care for you, compared to this man’s care for his stepson. So both can be true, Dafne. It could be that talking to this man triggered your own wounds, and it was overwhelming.
I did send him a message, he replied but still no 2 date in sight. He might enjoy his fun, bachelor life now and I might be too serious for him.
He might have felt a certain neediness in you, a certain heaviness, because when our wounds are not healed, we are very needy. Indeed, we are like little children, needing to be the center of our parent’s (now partner’s) world. So if you expected him to have you as the center of his world, and not to have any other interests and not to care for anyone else (including his stepson), that could have felt heavy for him.
You mentioned in your other post that your husband is your best friend and helped you in that hard time. I find it amazing. Depression or anxiety should never be a reason for him/her to neglect or quit the relationship.
Yeah, my husband has been a great support to me, not just now, when I am struggling with all these health challenges, but in the past too. In the beginning of our relationship he was a bit of a care-taker for me, like a good parent figure, and I was quite needy. But then we had some challenges, and it was a wake-up call for me to start working on myself and healing my issues, because otherwise I would have lost him.
Tee, if you do not mind asking me, where did you guys meet? Are you both from the same country?
We met many years ago at a business conference. We’re not from the same country but were living in neighboring countries, and so it was a 5-yr long long-distance relationship before I finally moved to his country.
Life is so unpredictable…we never know what’s around the corner.
Yes it is. In fact, I never wanted to go to this conference, because it was at an inconvenient time for me, but that’s where I met my husband. So it was the best thing ever 🙂
Let’s pray for our healing and to feel at ease once again
Yes, I hope that both of us will feel more at peace in our lives. I hope you can find some peace now, after you’ve realized some things about your father and accepted that it wasn’t your fault. I hope you can start loving yourself more, bit by bit <3
TeeParticipantHi Gavin,
thank you for telling me a little more about yourself.
I understand that my perspective is blinkered at the moment, but if you could see and know what I have lost, and the opportunities I had, then you might understand more.
I’d often beat myself up about things not going right and that I must achieve more. I suppose I have a lack of empathy for myself. … I don’t feel any empathy for myself at all.
She was the miracle I needed in my life and I had everything I could have possibly ever wanted was with her,
Something just occurred to me, Gavin, and that is that perhaps she had empathy for you (which you didn’t have for yourself), she was patient with you, she tolerated your flaws and imperfections… Maybe she had all those qualities that you desperately needed but was missing in yourself. Perhaps that’s why you see her as the miracle in your life? Because she gave you what you always longed for (from your parents) but never received?
I remember having the same traits all throughout my childhood and into adulthood, of wanting to achieve, be popular and be the best I can, be but never fulfilling the goals I set for myself or the standards of others,
It seems you wanted to achieve and prove yourself (to your parents?). You also wanted to be popular, which might mean you wanted to be liked and appreciated by your peers. But you could never meet those standards (that your parents set?) and you never felt truly liked and appreciated. Do you resonate with this?
Your story sounds like the story of someone who is really trying, but is never good enough for those whom he is trying to impress/get validation from. First and foremost, those would be your parents, and then perhaps your peers as well. This is just an assumption, of course, so please tell me if I am off track.
It seems that she on the other hand was very much impressed by you and liked you a lot (she was just as attracted to me as I was to her, and the connection was so strong).
It also seems she accepted you and tolerated your sometimes “appalling” behavior (My behaviour towards her, while sometimes kind and loving, was generally appalling over the course of the relationship.)
You say you sometimes acted like a narcissist (i.e. like a self-centered child), and she perhaps was tolerating all that and perhaps even trying to console you and ease your stress? (unlike your parents who were fighting with each other constantly and not only didn’t ease your stress but have contributed to it).
If my assumptions are correct, then she might have given you what your parents haven’t given you: empathy, understanding, acceptance, and also the sense that you are special. If so, that’s more than enough to consider her as your miracle… but also, a miracle that you can provide for yourself eventually, after some healing.
I am going to stop here for now. Let me know how this sounds and if it resonates?
TeeParticipantHi Gavin,
you’re welcome. I am sorry you’re going around in circles and that you feel you’re out of time (years which I don’t really have anymore) and that you blew it, for good. I know that in your current state of mind, it’s hard to be open to a different perspective.
But I’m still going to tell you that at 51 you’re definitely not out of time for happiness and a new beginning. You may be late for a reconciliation with her, but you’re not late to fix your own life and your own mind (I think I am a person who sometimes doesn’t know his own mind or what’s good for him), and to figure out what is good for you and what you really want in life.
The problem is that I cannot excuse myself and blaming my childhood seems like an excuse to me, or perhaps a way of passing the blame for my actions
Barbara Heffernan, a therapist and coach whom I highly respect, once said: “Healing is a fact-finding, not a fault-finding mission“. We need to know what caused our deficiencies, so we can heal, so we can make up for what is missing. The goal is not to blame your parents and make excuses for yourself, but to know what needs fixing.
We as children have some basic needs that need to be met in their proper time (like the need for safety, love, care, appreciation, validation). And if those are not met, some parts of our complex being remain not properly developed. Emotionally, we remain trapped in a child-like state of feeling selfish (every child is naturally selfish and self-centered), and unable to see the needs of others (I had no empathy in my soul during that insane period of time when I had ignored her). Children who were emotionally abused or neglected didn’t have a chance to learn empathy because they haven’t gotten any empathy themselves.
You hate yourself for being so “diabolically” selfish, and I trust that you might have been very selfish with her. But if you were never shown empathy as a child, how could you give it to her? We cannot give what we don’t first get and internalize. In short, we cannot give what we haven’t received…
I wonder if this speaks to you in any way? Have you felt a lack of empathy and understanding for yourself while growing up? I don’t want to pressure you into talking about it, but if you feel like exploring it some more, I’d be happy to.
TeeParticipantHi Gavin,
I could say that I am paying for my sins of the past and I feel I do deserve this self torture. I cannot get out of this place of self-loathing and it is eating me alive. … I have such rage with myself.
The feeling of self-loathing is familiar. I too hated myself when I was suffering from an eating disorder and was ruining my health with binges and purges. I knew it was destructive but I couldn’t stop. You too knew it wasn’t good how you were treating your girlfriend, but couldn’t help yourself.
What I want to tell you is that our self-destructive tendencies were not because we are bad, immoral people (I constantly question where my moral compass was), but because we were hurt. Our crooked, self-destructive behavior, was, believe it or not – a defense mechanism.
I was preoccupying myself with food, so I wouldn’t have to feel the pain of feeling unloved by my mother. It could be that you were running away from even the slightest argument, so you wouldn’t feel the pain of the constant conflict that you grew up in. We both needed an escape from the horrendous pain we were feeling.
I hated myself for my eating disorder… but then many years later I’ve realized it was a way I was hoping to numb my pain. It was my defense mechanism. And I stopped hating myself. I started having compassion for the little girl, who was not loved by her mother, and in so much pain.
I hope you can find the way not to hate yourself for trying to escape pain. You were trying to protect yourself, or to be more precise – to protect the little boy inside of you, who was traumatized by living almost in a “war zone”, in the constant state of conflict.
And another thing: children usually blame themselves when their parents don’t show them love. So perhaps you blamed yourself for your parents’ constant fighting, just like I blamed myself for my mother not loving me?
I would dare to say that your present self-loathing and self-blame are in fact the self-loathing and self-blame that you felt as a child, but perhaps were not aware of? But this breakup brought it up to the surface…
I feel I am sick or my have BP disorder or even a deep routed evil part of me that is prone to self-sabotage.
This “evil” part is our misguided way to try to protect ourselves from pain. As I said, mine was an addiction. Yours is perhaps running away from conflict and perhaps not being able to hear any criticism, because for you, being criticized meant being unloved?
TeeParticipantHi Gavin,
I am sorry you’re in so much pain. I get that this was a rude awakening, and the sense of loss is huge. But please, don’t get stuck in self-blame, because after all, there are reasons why you behaved the way you did – even if those reasons are “irrational”.
I understand the connection to my childhood, but the truth is I was selfish and blind to the future and the possible ramifications of what I was doing, even though in the back of mind I knew it was wrong and could lose her
In this above sentence, you do acknowledge the causes of your irrational behavior (childhood trauma), but you gloss over them and continue to beat yourself up for what you’ve done. Please don’t gloss over it, don’t think it’s a small thing. Your childhood trauma, if unhealed, is totally capable of causing such irrational behavior.
Please see yourself as a childhood trauma survivor, and see everything that happened in that light. And then, as anita said, have compassion for the little boy exposed to those negative experiences.
The trauma that we suffer in childhood forms us as persons, it affects both our physical and mental health. And it can make us selfish and blind too. Some people never awaken to their selfishness and blindness, and they keep hurting people (you know the saying: hurt people hurt people). But you have awakened, even with a great sense of loss.
Many of us like that: we need a kind of a shock “therapy” to awaken – we need a super painful experience to finally change our ways. But the most important is that you have awakened. You have realized that you’ve been wrong. However, please also realize and awaken to the fact that your trauma caused you to behave like that. Have those 2 realizations simultaneously.
Don’t just focus on what you’ve done, which keeps you stuck in the loop of self-hatred and self-blame. Also, think of yourself as the survivor, victim if you will, of childhood emotional abuse. That’s the reason for your selfish and irrational behavior. Once you heal that trauma, you won’t behave the way you did.
So find compassion for yourself – for the little boy who’s been hurt – and start your healing journey from there. We can only heal if we find compassion for ourselves. Everything else is just treading water, leading us nowhere.
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Hope you’re having a good weekend.
It’s more rainy than I’d fancy, but it’s okay, it’s good for the plants and crops 🙂
I see what you mean I understood it now. But I’m glad you’re able to deal with it now. I guess this also involves some grounding practice?
Yes, although with health anxiety it’s tricky because the pain is in the body, so sometimes it’s triggering to focus on one’s body and feel all the various sensations (which is a typical exercise for grounding), because then you’ll feel the pain too, and it’s counterproductive. So for me, it is more like self-suggestion and telling myself that I am stronger than I think, and that the last time the pain went away, so it will happen this time too.
Me too. and when I gather enough capital, I want to start some good sustainability startup for sure. That’s one of my goals.
Great! I am rooting for you to make it happen!
Again Thanks for giving me amazing and touching reminders about myself. I do tend to forget my own self worth or what I’m able to provide or achieve. I believe Long term of inner critic have to do something with that or maybe something else.
You are very welcome. Yeah, self-worth is key, and that’s what gets damaged when we have a criticizing parent. Your father made you believe you’re not good enough (when you didn’t get straight As, when you didn’t get him the right tool immediately, and in many other occasions throughout your childhood), and so that’s what you started believing about yourself too. And it takes a long time and healing to undo that false belief…
My soft skills have indeed improved much better as well as technical skills and top of that I’m so adaptable to learn new things. The first company I worked for I literally learned everything under a week. Even though I was a total fresher at that time.
I am glad you’re aware of your skills, and how capable you are of learning new things, adapting, and thriving in a new setting. So yeah, don’t forget that. And indeed, that you’re an asset and have a lot to offer.
Yes you’re right I’m trying to change my perspective but after getting many rejection emails it’s not that easy you know
I know, rejection after rejection makes one wonder: maybe I am really not good enough. But I think that for you, who already have a tendency to believe that you’re not good enough, rejection only confirms that false belief. So it’s like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Next time if you get a rejection (I hope you won’t! but nevertheless), try not to see it as a “proof” that you’re not good or worthy enough. Think of it as “okay, they need someone with a different profile”. Or even “maybe I am too good for them, they need someone with less experience, who they can easily adapt to their own needs”. What I am trying to say is don’t immediately make the worst possible conclusion about yourself. Don’t question your worth, even if a company rejects you!
That’s a really insightful advice indeed! Thanks for sharing. I love it
You’re welcome. I like it too!
Recently I’m not seeing relationship as a threat. But more like what if after that much invested time and emotions what if it doesn’t work out? So it’s a fear like this. Because there’s another thing Now I know I can find someone who understand me and we have similar life values and enjoy time together even in silence. (Not easy but not that hard)
First, I am happy if you started believing that you can find someone compatible, someone you can enjoy time together even in silence. That’s so precious! And if this girl is in that category, you’re lucky.
and don’t get me wrong I try to be positive for love but the thing is still if I read or see something around like Breakup or cheating or hear some things like that from someone I’m immediately somewhat feeling like I’m saved. Because I’m not committed, I don’t have to deal with those things.
It sounds like the fear of getting hurt, once you’ve given your heart to someone. When we love, we are vulnerable. We’ve talked about vulnerability before. Without vulnerability, there is no healthy relationship. There is no authenticity. But you fear to be vulnerable because if we’re hurt by someone we love and trust, it hurts a lot. It hurts like hell.
And you’ve already experienced this pain in your childhood: you’ve opened your heart and trusted your parents, and they’ve hurt you. Specially your father. And it happened again and again. So for you, being vulnerable and needing someone is a big no-no. Super scary. You want to prevent to be hurt again. Would you agree with this?
Just recently one of my friend’s bf ended relationship with her saying that he doesn’t love her anymore and ended a 7 YEARS long relationship. So hearing things like this how can I be even little hopeful?
There are no guarantees in life. And no absolute security. When I get out in the street, who guarantees me that a brick won’t fall on my head? That I won’t be hit by a car? If we lived like that, we wouldn’t live at all.
But still, in a relationship, you can know if someone is trustworthy. It’s not so completely random. Because the person has a track record or supporting you and being there for you. If you marry someone, you don’t marry them at a whim, but because you’ve got to know the person. You’ve been vulnerable with them, and they’ve been vulnerable with you. And when problems arise, you communicate about it, you don’t pretend that everything is fine.
All this is still not a guarantee of “living happily ever after”, but it gives you a certain certainty, a higher probability of things working out.
You know what they say: nothing is ever certain in life, only death is. But within that general uncertainty, you can still count on some people and trust them – because they have proven themselves as trustworthy.
She have some kind of retinal condition. So it’s advised to her that she should spend much less screentime as possible to prevent further damage and sometimes she’s also getting migraines as well so
Retina is super important… I do hope she gets better. There are also vitamins she can take, to strengthen the retina, but I guess she knows all that…
Haha well tbh it what keeps me sane time to time. Because I’ve been situations that normal person just couldn’t even bare. And even in that kind of time I was able to be calm and tell myself it’s alright, Breathe. I can solve it. I can handle this.
Great! Were they physically dangerous situations (like watching the lioness give birth in the jungle), or other types of situations?
And sometimes even like just surrendering myself for like total hope. Like no matter what it’ll be alright. I survived lot of things and I’ll survive this and succeed. And lot of times it actually worked without even putting too much effort. Can you imagine?
You see how much hope (and trust) you had, even in dangerous, possibly life-threatening situations? I guess you had trust in yourself and your own abilities, and in providence, right?
At the same time, you are scared to trust another person. I am not judging you at all, just inviting you to notice it. You’re scared to trust because you’ve been hurt in your childhood. So trust in relationships is gone. Trust in nature (and your own abilities) is still there, but trust in another person is gone.
Oh haha I remember I was being stubborn about it but thanks again for always being understanding, guiding me and supporting me. I highly appreciate it. And yeah I do think I’m much self-aware than before. And I do feel much better about myself than before definitely. I’d say Self-blame is totally gone but yeah some self-criticism is still there.
You are very welcome, SereneWolf. It’s been great to support you on your journey and see you shed that self-criticism and drill sergeant mentality bit by bit 🙂 I am happy for you and I am glad you’re feeling better.
Yes I know I have to work on my fear of relationship because I know I have so much love to give.
Yes you do. You’d only have to learn how to trust again…
Wishing you best of luck on Wednesday! (but we can talk in the meanwhile too, hope my eyes wills serve me 🙂 )
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Oh actually I didn’t even know there’s a specifically thing like health anxiety exist
Yeah, it’s actually a nicer and truer version of the term “hypochondriac”. I don’t feel like a hypochondriac, and it’s hurtful when someone hints I might be, because I do have real and debilitating health issues. However, I do tend to worry a lot and feel less resilient than I really am, and this leads to taking some of my symptoms too seriously and catastrophizing about them. So it’s like there is a real reason why I am concerned about my health, but still, I don’t need to worry that much. This excessive worrying is a part of health anxiety, and luckily I am learning how to deal with it and calm myself down.
I did apply but unfortunately didn’t get selected. Someone with even higher experience than me started working there with less salary package. But I didn’t sulk over that because it was months ago and I thought maybe that person needed that job more than me.
Oh I am sorry you didn’t get that job. But you handled it well – not stressing about it, but accepting it and not feeling “less than” because of it. Well done, SereneWolf!
And what I’m looking for is working in HealthTech or Sustainability sector. Because I think it’s meaningful for me and also impactful.
Yes, they both are super important sectors, and sustainability is close to my heart too. It’s good that you’re looking for jobs in fields that are meaningful to you!
Luckily just Thursday I passed initial interview for this Healthtech company. It’s really good position. Took me really long to get selected for a position like that. It’s also fully remote. And enough pay that I can also move to Europe without any issues.
It sounds good! Congratulations on passing the first round!
Now I have next technical interview on Next Wednesday. but I have high hope for this as well as this crazy fear and anxiety that what if I don’t perform well and don’t get it? It’s a really good opportunity that I just don’t want to lose. And it’s just not even letting me practice with good focus. Because this one has multiple stage of interviews after interview on Wednesday there will be two more interviews. And I Need to ace all of this interviews.
I understand that you really want this job. And the pressure to get it. But unfortunately it increases your anxiety, which then makes it harder during the interview. Perhaps the first thing you’d need to do it put the perfectionist pressure off yourself: “I Need to ace all of this interviews.”
No, you don’t need to ace them. You don’t need to be perfect, which was the requirement your father has put on you. You only need to be yourself – which is GOOD ENOUGH.
Because honestly, without flattering you, Serenewolf, you are good enough. You are more than qualified, you have the experience, the knowledge, the managerial skills, and emotional intelligence as well. You’ve got both the tech skills and the soft skills. So really, I think you’re a well-rounded candidate with a lot to offer.
Please think of yourself in those terms. You’ll be a great asset for them, they’ll be lucky to have you. You’ve got a lot of offer. Try to think in those terms.
When I talked about this my therapist while ago she said at difficult time that’s what exactly you need, someone who really supports you and she told me try to stop always being self-dependent. But tbh I’m not able to do that for now. My focus for job is sharp. Because currently it’s a necessity.
Yeah, keep your focus on your job for now. You can return to the relationship topic later. But also, if you can relax a bit and see yourself as a great candidate for the job (like I suggested above), you don’t need to worry that much. Just change the perspective a little, and you won’t be under such huge pressure.
I’ve heard once that excitement and anxiety are very similar in terms of the hormones that are secreted. I’ve just looked it up now and found a Forbes article about it, titled “Anxiety vs relaxation: Relabeling anxiety as excitement“. Here is an excerpt:
The feeling of anxiety is physiologically almost the same as the feeling of excitement. Both feelings produce an elevated heart rate and a feeling of butterflies in your stomach. Both might make you sweat. Your body is readying itself for action. But the feelings are different.
If you can redefine getting this job as an opportunity and challenge, rather than a horrible loss if it doesn’t happen, you might be able to feel more excitement and less fear and anxiety. Anyway, just an idea. Let me know how it sounds to you.
You’re right and like you know we discussed before like I need to be more hopeFul romantic not hopeLess romantic. But I don’t know why but I’m still very hopeless about love. On top of that because of this kind of thinking I’m already feeling like I’d end up alone and no one would love me with their whole heart if I’m keep rejecting love like this.
Because tbh I do really like her but I just don’t see future in her even though she’s really good I just don’t know why…
I think it has to do with your childhood experience of not feeling safe and accepted in the relationship with your parents (specially with your father). Relationship and vulnerability feels like a burden, perhaps even a threat, rather than a source of comfort and safety. From what we’ve talked about so far, relationship feels like a threat to your independence, freedom, life goals, pursuing your passions… Am I right in thinking that? And as long as you see relationship as a threat, no wonder you’ll be afraid of it.
I hope so. Because with another therapist it’s all from 0 to 1.
You mean you need to repeat everything about yourself to the new therapist, until they get to know you?
And more than that It’s the good relationship you know. Because I want good connection too. … And just look her dedication she said we can communicate over written letters like the old times. And she won’t even charge me any fees for that.
She does sound like a very kind and supportive person, who is willing to help in spite of her health issues. That’s admirable. I understand why you don’t want to switch to someone else. Let’s hope she will get better soon. By the way, does she have a diagnosis of what her eye problems are?
Self-healing is indeed not easy. But at the end of the day therapists are only like a guide but all the inner work we have to do by ourselves so..
Sure, yes, a good therapist is first and foremost a positive, compassionate presence in our life. Someone who listens to us without judgment. Someone we can be authentic with. Therapeutic relationship is important precisely because of that. Because a therapist ideally creates a safe, non-judgmental place for us to express ourselves, to be ourselves. Something many of us didn’t have while growing up. In doing so, the therapist also teaches us to create that safe place within ourselves: our internal good parent, or Uncle Iroh or Lord Krishna.
And you succeeded in creating that safe space within yourself, because as you say: And that’s why I’m blaming myself much less than I used to.
And because of that, yes, it’s easier to do self-healing too, because you have your own inner therapist now. The inner critic is still there, but Uncle Iroh is there too, and that’s so precious!
Well I do feel like I’m making a progress but for different perspective I wouldn’t mind you telling what do you think my progress so far? Because obviously you continuously contributing a huge part in my healing journey. Because we started communicating long before I even started therapy.
Thank you, SereneWolf. I think you’ve made an amazing progress. I remember in the beginning you didn’t want to accept that our childhood has a huge impact on us as adults 🙂 but then you kind of “got it”, and that’s when you really went deeper and expanded your self-awareness. That’s when you decided to start therapy too… All that helped you to have much more compassion and understanding for yourself. And I hope you do feel better about yourself in your day-to-day life, without too much self-blame and self-criticism?
You still have work to do related to the fear of relationship, but you’ll get there. Right now, focus on feeling good enough for the job you’re applying for. Because as I said, you’re more than good enough. Just try to get your confidence up, feeling good in your own skin, and I promise you, you’ll ace that interview, without even trying to do it 😀
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