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Dear SereneWolf,
thanks for the tip, I’ll inquire about the Crizal lenses.
Good to hear your therapist is a licensed one and has 5 year experience. And yes, working from the ground up, from the root chakra makes sense. And yes, humming can be useful for the thyroid gland, so that’s a good exercise too. But like you said, best if you have your thyroid checked (ultrasound plus bloodwork). If you need hormone supplementation, there’s medicine for that and can be regulated pretty easily.
As for surrendering, you said: I mean I said for my controlling behaviour and that Iām being hard on myself
You did say earlier that you tend to get angry when someone says No to you:
And for anger
I found out that there is still some level of controlling behavior
Because of someone says No I canāt directly accept it. It really opened my eyes that itās just my expatiations towards them.Does this happen at work? Or in your private life?
Yes Itās my last semester. After that I want to apply for a MBA because I found out that lot of management positions does require MBA so..
Cool! Yes, a lot of management position require MBA, so I guess you’ll have even greater chances, i.e. a wider range of opportunities, with an MBA degree.
Iāve just watched that video and two another about parents.
I agree with him and also that dependency is not there so why let control? And the need for approvalRight… the problem is that even though we are adults, there’s the still the inner child in us. And it’s the inner child that would do anything to get his parents’ love and approval. That’s why parents have such an influence (often a negative one) on us. But once we re-parent our inner child, this influence lessens and we’re much less affected by our parents’ expectations… and can really be adults. As Henry Cloud said, we can honor our parents, but not allow them to control our lives.
I have to work with cross functional teams. So there are different managers for different teams but yeah this one is a good fella.
Good, at least one good fella š How is it with others? Is there a specific person that is hard to work with, and you’re struggling to say No to him, or assert yourself?
It was really good even though Iām still not that much good at presenting and storytelling. But they listened carefully. Iāve also talked about anonymous feedback and PR manager said theyāll start working on this documentationsā¦ So I hope to see what good changes it brings
Excellent! You’re really quick in trying out new things and taking action – that’s admirable! I also hope it will bring positive changes and improve the overall work climate and employees satisfaction.
Even though I donāt have much power in my hands rn but I do feel like there is lot things I can do where I can make a good impact.
You do have some power as manager… so yes, you can make a positive impact. So just keep doing the great work that you’ve started!
Thank you for your advice on becoming a freelancer. I’ve already implemented some of that, such as social media presence, a couple of years ago. But then the pandemic came and I got too worried about health, and it just paralyzed me. So now I need to start again, get active again…. and this is my plan for 2023.
Thanks for all the great advice, specially what you said: don’t over research! Because I do tend to study everything in advance, taking way too much time on that, while procrastinating to take action. So this is one big thing that needs to change…
TeeParticipantDear Hello,
he did not handle this news well even though Iāve been telling him for over a month what my plans were. He then started trying to sell me on he would help me move my things , that we should do it ātogetherā and that he was under the impression we would share a mover for the big things.
Is he also moving out, on the same day? Because only in that case would it make sense to even talk about sharing the movers truck. But I think it’s only an attempt to mess up with your plans and delay them. It’s best if you do it alone, so he cannot throw a monkey wrench into your plans.
When he suggested he help me move I did not agree but I didnāt fight it either. He was starting to get hostile so I just backed away.
Bottom line is Iām not sure if I need to bring this detail up again with him before the actual day or leave it be.I think he started getting hostile because he is still trying to control the situation and prevent you from executing your plan. So I agree with anita: the best is to tell him as little as possible. Don’t even mention moving unless he brings it up, and simply wait for Jan 3. That way he has less chance of sabotaging it!
Good luck in the following days, and post anytime if you need help!
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I realize now that in September 2020, your sister’s boyfriend probably wasn’t invited to your house because your region was in complete lockdown, so he couldn’t even visit since he lived 2 hour drive away. She was panicking about that – that he would leave her because they can’t see each other. And then she was additionally triggered when she wanted to invite some people to your house, and you tried to limit it because you were sick. And that’s when she had that tantrum…. Is that what happened?
I hope I got the rest of the events right.
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I am writing again because I would like you to have a less stressful Christmas, and you said that you’re already dreading meeting your sister and her partner for Christmas:
Iām already dreading seeing them at Christmas.
Iām going home for Christmas but am worried about seeing my sister and brother in law, I have very bad anxiety attacks being around my sister and they will probably be staying with us for a couple of days, which makes it that much harder because I canāt get away.
I understand that it’s not just your sister who is giving you a hard time, but that her partner too is behaving coldly with you. The last time you met, in August, he wouldn’t look at you or hug you (like he does your parents):
the day we came to see my newborn nephew in August he still wouldnāt look at me or hug me like he does my parents, itās a punch in the gut every time
To better understand the dynamics between you and your brother-in-law, I went back and made a list of all the encounters you had with your sister and him (those that you mentioned in your posts). And I think he might have made a wrong impression of you. That, fueled by your sister probably telling him negative things about you, might have lead him to believe her and also see you in a negative light.
So let me list the encounters (those that happened and those that you missed) with him and your sister.
If I understood it well, the first time you met him was in September 2020, when your sister invited him (and some other people) to your house. That’s when you asked her not to have those people for too long and to go eat cake somewhere else. To which she reacted by rolling on the floor and pulling her hair:
September 2020:
it all started with a minor desagreament with my sister(35) yesterday. She is brain damage and has been for 23 years due to illness. I was 7 at the time and it took us 7 years before she got the treatment she need, nearly died several times. The desagrement was completely inocent nut my sister has a way of making it a personal attack on her, and me calmly telling her over and over again that this has nothing to do with her. She started yelling and screaming in my face, pulling her hair and rolling around on the floor. Then proceaded to verbally turn her anger out on my parents. My mom has untreated trauma and seeing her children struggle like this is too much for her. All of this because I politely told her that the people she invited to my parents house shouldnāt stay too long, and that we should just have the cake somewhere else.
You have mentioned the same event recently, and this is how I figured that it must have been her boyfriend who was among the people she invited to that party in September 2020:
The tantrum she had where she started rolling around on her floor and my mother broke down was due to several things, she mas mad that I was sick and put myself first, our region was put on complete lockdown and her new boyfriend was living a two hour drive away, so she was panicking that he would end up leaving her and then she wouldnāt have children, and the final straw was me trying to put down my foot. Then everything exploded she yelled at me, then my parents I did everything that I had read about dealing with conflict (i hate conflict my anxiety goes straight up) stay calm and use I statements trying to deescalate but it didnāt work. She stormed out of there yelling, and she hasnāt contacted me unless it is neccesary. My dad then took over the mental load of dealing with me sister and driving her to all her appointments which we all share resposiblĆlity for before. My dad had retired at this point and my mom was on the verge of a stress breakdown with everything about the pandemic and stuff
If I got that right, her new (or soon-to-be) boyfriend was among the people she invited to your house in September 2020, and she was very keen to have him. When you tried to limit his stay, she went ballistic. I am not sure if his visit happened at all, or it was cancelled?
The second time you had an opportunity to meet him was a few months later, sometime towards the end of 2020 or beginning of 2021. Your sister was already living on her own, possibly with her new boyfriend, and you and a few other people were invited to visit them. However, you were severely depressed at that time, because it was during the pandemic and you lost your job and had to return to your home country. So you declined her offer, because of depression. But she took it against you and accused you that you’re doing it on purpose to hurt her:
During the pandemic I sunk into a depression so bad that I was thinking about suicide every single day, I honestly didnāt think I would survive it. My sister ask me to come to her house (with a few other people) to meet her new boyfriend but I couldnāt get out of the house (cuz of the depression) I kindly declined and the next day a girl called me and told me so your just staying away to be passive agressive and hurt your sister. That hurt.
Then in spring 2021, her boyfriend had his 30th birthday party, to which you and your parents were invited too. Things went well at first, you could talk nicely with his 4 siblings and you had fun. But you felt angry at your sister because she behaved so kind and loving with everyone, and his parents spoke highly of her too. You could hardly recognize her, because she never behaved so kindly with you. So at the end of the visit you didn’t greet her properly but looked down when you said goodbye. She, as well as him and his parents took it against you. She didn’t speak to you directly but she said to your father that you’re not welcome to their place again and that you wouldn’t be invited to her birthday 2 months later:
At my brother in laws 30th birthday party I was soo anxious, he has four siblings and they were all there with their partners and they still had their jobs. I was able to have fun though, talking a lot with his siblings and the conversation actually went as if we had been friends for years, that really surprised me. But then my sisters behaviour of such a loving and caring person and the way his parents was talking about her like, who is this person? Do I really know he? when saying goodbye I couldnāt get myself to look her in the eyes I just looked down and said goodbye and so joined my dad. A week later my dad got a phone call from her, she and his parents had noticed my behaviour and said that it would have consequences, I probably wouldnāt be welcome in their house again and I wasnāt going to be invited to my sisters birthday two months later. I was shocked. It was a very strong reaction in my book,
BTW were you indeed not invited to her birthday last year?
Fast forward to August 2022: You and your parents came to you sister’s place to see her newborn son. Her partner behaved coldly to you, wouldn’t look at you or hug you:
the day we came to see my newborn nephew in August he still wouldnāt look at me or hug me like he does my parents, itās a punch in the gut every time
And finally, November 2022, you couldn’t make it to your nephew’s christening, and you sister took it against you, again accusing you (like once before) that you did that on purpose to hurt her:
I couldnāt make it home for my nephewās christening and she is trying to turn it into a personal thing of me doing it to hurt her deliberately (that one send me into a panic attack at work, cried in the bathroom)
What I can glean from all this is that your brother-in-law knows you only superficially, because he’s seen you only a couple of times. You’ve cancelled two of the planned encounters, due to depression or because you had to work. And at one occasion, you acted somewhat rudely towards your sister (when you didn’t greet her properly). That’s all he knows about you.
Your sister almost certainly told him negative things about you, and since you behaved strangely at his birthday party, he probably believes her. And so he probably believes what your sister told him about you: that you’re selfish and trying to hurt her on purpose.
I think that’s why he is reserved and even rude with you ā because he knows only the fraction of the truth, and he judges you based on that small fraction. You made a wrong impression on him that one time, and so I guess it’s easy for him to believe your sister.
The question is what to do now. I think it wouldn’t be bad to try to repair your image with him, and to show your real self when you meet him next time. I think it would be better if you could interact with him (and other people) from your true self, not from your triggered, anxious self.
That would be the only way to have a more or less pleasant Christmas holidays. The goal is not to triggered so easily when around your sister, but to stay as calm as possible. This way you’d be able to be more open and friendly around her partner and other people at the party ā and show more of your true self, and less of your anxious self.
If you’d like, we can talk more about how to achieve it.
Otherwise, to return to your earlier post, I am very happy that you had success in staying at a party and not fleeing, although you felt anxiety at first:
I overheard her asking Y if the cutre guy was coming but he had an event to do that night and so couldnāt join. I felt my anxiety go up and my mind strated racing, I felt overwhelmed ( It was an insanely hectic day at work) and so started to look for excuses for me not to join them. But I stayed and I am really proud of that. I took some deep breaths and tried reframing/challenging my negative thought and the first hour or so I felt really like I was in the way and that they would have more fun without me. But after that (and the one drink I had made me tipsy) I started relaxing more and talking with people (obviously had he been there as well I would have been more anxious but itās a start).
I am also glad that you’re going to various social events and taking a moderate approach: staying for a few hours, enjoying it, and then leaving when drinking becomes too heavy. That way you don’t feel excluded, and you don’t feel like a fool either sitting there while the others get wasted. Which is a great compromise and a win-win for you!
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
Yes, I have made excusses for her behaviour over and over again but didnāt realiser it. My best friend kept telling me the same as you, she isnāt in that bad shape when she can live on her own and do all those things including treating other people nicely.
Okay, so then perhaps it’s true: that she isn’t as disabled as you think she is, and that maybe her treating you poorly wasn’t because of her illness, because of her being in horrible pain and frustrated all the time – but because she felt entitled to get whatever she wants. I am not saying she wasn’t in pain sometimes, but I guess she saw how easily she can manipulate both you and your parents with those tantrums, and so she simply used it as a means to get her way. Maybe not in the beginning, but as she got older.
The greatest victim in all of this this is you, because when it first started happening, when you were 7 years old, suddenly all of your parents’ attention went to your sister, and you remained neglected. Your needs suddenly became secondary to her needs. Your fears and anxiety were less important than her screaming. You were told to”just get over it”, while she was taken to doctors and medical checks.
It wasn’t easy for your parents either. It must have been scary to see their child in such pain and not to know what’s happening, so I understand them too. But they forgot that they have another child, a child who equally needs them and has problems of her own, problems that needs attending to. But unfortunately they were focused only on your sister and left you to cope alone.
And also, they have probably blamed you for wanting things for yourself. You had to please your sister, so she wouldn’t make a scene. And so you sort of became her hostage, right? Your and your parents’ life became consumed by catering to your sister, and she, as it seems, exploited the privileged status that she had. She expected all of you to do as she pleases.
Would you say that this is what happened? That this description fits reality?
TeeParticipantDear SereneWolf,
I am fine, thank you. Apart from the fact that I’m going to need to get myself some reading glasses, because I’ve started noticing that my eyes get strained in front of the computer.
Guess who had their first therapy season recently? Thatās right, Me!
Wow, congratulations!!!
Sheās a Psychotherapist + Prana Healer + Chakra Balance Helper
If she’s a licensed psychotherapist, that’s fine. I am a little skeptical about prana healers, but if they have a degree in psychology or counseling, energy work can be a nice addition. Makes their work more holistic…
And she did kind of talked and suggested things like you did (Are you in psychology field too?)
I am not a psychologist or a a counselor, but I do have some basic knowledge in psychology, and I’ve been into personal development for almost 20 years, so I’ve learned quite a bit…
And I told her for the things Iām working on, She said Iām on the right direction
Good to hear about that!
I talked about the childhood trauma and feeling not good enough etc. She said for that Iāll have to work on my root chakra.
Hmmm… root chakra is related to our basic sense of security and groundedness in the physical plane. Feeling good in our body, not spacing out, being present in the here-and-now, that kind of stuff. It’s not so much related to our self-esteem. Rather, the 3rd chakra is (the solar plexus). So it’s a bit strange that she suggested to work on the root chakra… Maybe next time you can ask her?
Also work on surrendering
What kind of surrendering did she suggest?
As for affirmations, they don’t work for everybody. If you don’t believe what you’re saying, it’s not much use. So check it with yourself: when you say a certain affirmation (e.g. “I am good enough”, or “I am competent enough”), do you believe it, or not really?
LAM chanting ā Itās like hummin sound while meditating.
I’ve just looked it up, it’s supposedly a chant to cleanse the root chakra:
“Lam is also used to cleanse the muladhara chakra, in order to establish or maintain a sense of being grounded and connected to the earth. … Since the muladhara chakra is the gateway to the remaining six chakras, chanting lam can be a powerful means of shifting energy throughout the entire body.”
I guess there’s no harm in working on your root chakra, to feel more grounded and present in the here-and-now. Because that can help you be more attuned to both your own needs, and also other people’s needs. So I guess it’s a good practice.
Yes theyāre happy with it. and in this case they didnāt compared or did what other parents (I mean my relatives) did. So my cousin wanted to pursue music or agriculture but his father didnāt let him do it so heās studying dentistry now.. I do feel for him whenever we talk..
I am glad your parents are more or less supportive nowadays and don’t try to control your life. I too feel for you cousin, who was forced to study something he doesn’t like. That’s so unfortunate š
But yet still I took a wrong decision for my education and after years I get it right
I remember you said you chose a wrong field to study, and then dropped out of college, right? And now you’re studying online to get a degree?
Thatās really insightful! thanks for sharing this and Iāll watch the video
Yes, I too thought it was super helpful to see the parents as guardians and managers – while we were children, but not beyond.
Hmm I think youāre right about this. In my head I was like Saying Yes and following orders are what I should do. But as a leader thatās not right
Yeah, as a leader you shouldn’t just follow orders, but also evaluate if those orders and feasible and how they affect your team. It’s just occurred to me that always following orders would be like being in the army š A company should have a different culture, where you can also question those orders and give feedback…
but from this I found that I need to work on my āSpeak Upā- related to childhood trauma lol
Yes, you weren’t encouraged to speak up as a child. I guess you were told what’s best for you, right?
And at work as right now the thing is that Iām the youngest manager here (lot of the people who work under me are also older than me) so.. I think this is another thing I have to work onā¦ so Itās all just making sense now
Congratulations on being the youngest manager at your company! That’s a big achievement. You clearly have managerial skills, which is great, and now you’re upgrading them with soft skills, which will help you become an even better manager, i.e. a true leader!
And he said itās okay and didnāt ague about it. So I guess I was just overthinking and just afraid of saying NO or Speak Up
Great! So it wasn’t a big deal that you refused, which means that your boss is a reasonable person, not a bully. That’s so important to have a normal boss!
Thanks this will help me for scripting and presenting to them in a better way
You’re welcome! Let me know how it went…
Wow thatās an excellent Idea! no matter what happens, Iāll try to implement this. With anonymous feedback others would feel more safer and not feel like attacked
Yeah, I know from talking to people close to me how horrible it is when the boss isn’t interested in the employees’ feedback, and how they are expected to just follow the orders and stay silent. And I think I’ve read somewhere that there are such feedback boxes in good companies, and I really liked the idea…
Yes but you helped me unfolding and weāre still unfolding things so Iām kind of proud of myself that I did took actionable steps but also big thanks to you. I really appreciate your support. Not to mention youāre literally teaching me how to be a better leader
You’re very welcome! And you should be proud of yourself for taking action so quickly, both by going to therapy and also by taking concrete steps in your company. Good job, indeed!
(So which arise a question Are you also a leader? ā only answer if youāre comfortable sharing otherwise itās okay)
No, I am not a leader. Rather, I’m trying to be self-employed, but am very slow in taking action – quite the opposite of you š So I am learning something from you too – how to take action and not be afraid of it. So thank you, too! š
TeeParticipantDear Hello,
you are very welcome! It’s great news that you’ve managed to push the day of the move forward, to January 3. It’s only 2 and a half weeks away. Fantastic! The sooner you’re out of there, the better.
I also was able to get further confirmation today on even more lies and that he has in fact been unofficially labeled as suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. … I understand this disorder and have given him over two years to address his issues and look inward. Nothing has come of it other than exhausting me, bringing me down, him spending every penny I earn, and losing myself.
Unfortunately, people with narcissistic personality disorder are almost never willing to change. They don’t see themselves as having a problem – it’s always the other party, not them. The only time they go to therapy is when they are forced to (like you forced your husband to go once), but it doesn’t really do anything to them.
You thought that he was an honest person, and that if you ask him lovingly, and are honest and transparent with your own issues – that he would start opening up and realizing the truth. But unfortunately, he wasn’t interested in any of that, but only in how to keep you under his spell, so to speak. To keep manipulating you so that he gets what he wants.
You’ve tried everything, but unfortunately he was unreachable, and will probably stay like that. When he realizes he can’t win you back, he’ll probably start looking for the next victim to latch onto…
Iām so excited to move forward.
I am excited for you too! And please keep us posted on your progress!
TeeParticipantDear Hello,
I am sorry that more of his deception has come to light recently, but at the same time, it’s good to know that this man will soon be out of your life, and that you are so right for leaving him!
It seems that he has been secretly having an affair while married to his first wife, and when the wife found out, she asked for a divorce. I am saying this because you said that his first wife left – meaning she left him, not vice versa:
Even his son said heās made a habit off living off of others since his wife left.
So he was living off of her money, cheating her with someone else, and he probably had no intention to change anything about it, had he not been caught. I guess that’s the truth of it, not what he has been telling you.
And maybe he has been doing the same to you, Hello, only you haven’t caught him red-handed, although you did suspect that he might be cheating…. The point is that he might have repeated the exact same, or almost the same scenario with you, as he did with his first wife. Exploiting the wife financially, cheating on her, all the way making the wife look bad.
He is a predator, as it seems to me, and is probably preying on well-off women, who are insecure in themselves and who he can manipulate.
I am sorry, dear Hello, that you came across such a dishonest, manipulative man. And yes, it was a huge deception on his part. He deceived you, or wanted to deceive you, in the same way he did his first wife. He probably never wanted to be honest with you, because his plan was to deceive you and live off of you, not to love you. A predator really, that’s what he is.
I donāt plan on bringing this up with him right now as itās the holidays and Iāve got to focus on the kids. But when Iām moved out I plan to tell him at the right time.
Yes, first move out, secure yourself, don’t confront him with the truth too soon, so he can’t retaliate too much. What did he do when his first wife divorced him? Do you know if there was any drama at that time?
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
one more thing. You said in your last but one post that you were surprised when I called your sister’s behavior abusive, but that it felt right:
Itās still weird hearing someone describe my sisters behaviour as abusive itās definitly what I needed to hear because it makes it clear that I donāt deserve that type of behaviour. Not excussing her behaviour anymore with her being tired, or stressed, only then can you put down boundaries.
Yes, I think you’ve been excusing her behavior all this time because you believed she is sick and that her nasty behavior is the result of her illness.
In fact, you’ve been excusing her behavior because your parents told you to do so. They told you to please her and appease her because she is sick. And if you wouldn’t want to, they accused you of being the trouble maker. While she accused you of being selfish.
So you have been conditioned by your parents to excuse and tolerate your sister’s selfish and abusive behavior.Ā You weren’t given the right to defend yourself, and they haven’t defended you either. I think this is what happened. And not that you have a very sick, disabled sister, whom you’re not treating well. The latter is what your parents have been telling you, and what you’ve been telling yourself too. But it’s not true.
That’s why I think you should change how you see things. You should change the narrative, so that it fits reality. Only then can you truly start healing….
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
thank you for clarifying. Although I am still confused, because based on the following you wrote, your sister does seem disabled and her day-to-day functioning is quite limited, since she is in lots of pain:
Her brain injury causes her to only have some functioning hours a day and she can only work around ten hours a week. The damage on her brain cuases extreme painful nonstop migranes, difficulties with her vision, and permantly nerve damage (i think they called it) in her legs so she needs botox to help stop the pain but it doesnāt last that long. If she is standing for too long or sitting she will collapse, which she did once I was at an event with her.
She will have a lot of tantrums. When she is in extreme pain she will roll around pulling her hair or stabbing herself with something sharp (like a ppencil or other) to distract herself from the pain in her head. We would then have to hide her pain medicin so she wouldnāt end up taking an overdose
However, she also had been living on her own in the past, and was even granted welfare support for living on her own: In 2020 she was granted a different type of welfare support that meant that she was able to get her own place.
If she sought and was granted support to live on her own, it means she knew she could do it, and she was also evaluated as able to live alone. Which tells me that she probably isn’t in constant horrible pain, which would incapacitate her from day-to-day functioning. Which further means that perhaps a lot of times when she was having a tantrum, it wasn’t really because she was in pain, but because she was manipulating you and your parents to get what she wants?
When you were at her partner’s birthday party last year, she behaved like a different person (a loving and caring person), and you could hardly recognize her. His parents were also speaking highly of her: But then my sisters behaviour of such a loveling and caring person and they way his parents was talking about her like, who is this person? Do I really know her?
So perhaps she is capable of being a different person? Someone who is not screaming all the time and rolling on the floor? Someone who can be nice to other people?
If so, she is probably not as disabled as you think she is. She does have physical problems, but they’re probably less debilitating than she has been presenting it to you. Another telling sign is that she wanted a child so badly:
The tantrum she had where she started rolling around on her floor and my mother broke down was due to several things, she mas mad that I was sick and put myself first, our region was put on complete lockdown and her new boyfriend was living a two hour drive away, so she was panicking that he would end up leaving her and then she wouldnāt have children,
Call me crazy, but if someone is in such huge pain all the time, they would hardly want to think about having children. This all tells me that she probably isn’t as disabled as she presented herself to be, or as you perceive her to be.
Maybe believing that she is so horribly sick keeps you from setting boundaries with her? If you saw her disease more realistically, maybe it would help you to behave differently with her?
TeeParticipantDear SereneWolf,
I’ve just peaked into “Leaders eat last” – I think it’s worth buying, it’s pretty cool from what I see in the first few pages. BTW it seems that the title of the book was inspired by the practice in the US Marines: that when they serve a meal, the novices get it first, and then those higher in rank. I find it pretty cool…
Yes but Iāll have to think how to create boundaries with my family.
I have to smile here – it’s interesting how me mentioning “nasty or demanding people” made you mention your parents š That’s the truth about them, or at least it was in the past, wasn’t it?
Iām already not living with them, and itās been they arenāt interfering (which I prefer) They are supportive when I say I want to do this, I want to do that. They be like do what you think is right just go on wrong/dishonest way (because they are sure I wouldnāt)
That’s good! If they’re not interfering, and they honestly tell you to do what you deem is best – great! Though you did say a while ago that they still sometimes compare you with other young people in your place of origin, but that they are mostly pleased with the line of work you’re in, right?
Yet I still like they do treat me like a kid as well? and I talked this about my friend, and she said No matter what age are you, Youāll always be the kid of your parents so theyāre going to be overprotective about some thingsā¦
Well, parents will always see their children as children. But the question is: do they respect you, do they think well of you, and maybe most importantly, do they have faith in you? Or they look down on you, are disappointed in you and your life choices, think you’re not doing well enough, etc etc…. Also, if you don’t choose the field they deem respectable or profitable, are they disappointed in you, or they respect your career choice?
Henry Cloud (of course! š ) has a lot of videos on how to set boundaries with parents. One of those is “Honoring your parents vs obeying abusers“, where he explains how we can honor our parents, and still not tolerate abuse, control or disrespect.
He mentions the Bible in this one a lot, because the caller is Christian, but what he says applies to everybody. One interesting thing he mentions at the end is a Bible verse that goes something like “when we were children, we were under guardians and managers”. Those “guardians and managers” were our parents. But that’s only while we were children. As adults, our parents don’t have (or shouldn’t have) the role of our guardians and managers – we as adults are responsible for managing our lives. So it’s clear that the role of parents changes, and it’s only natural that it should change, once we grow up.
I think maybe for this. Because I feel like It would hurt the image that I created at workplace. Because I think respect is something you have to earn soā¦
Definitely… but what does it mean for you to be worthy of respect? Does it mean to say Yes to everything requested of you, indiscriminately? And then maybe fail to deliver? To me, I prefer integrity. For example, if the persons says they’ll do something, they’ll do it. But they don’t just agree to anything – they estimate what and how much they can deliver, and then they do it, as promised. You can count on those people. And another aspect of integrity is when the person has empathy for their subordinates – when they take their team into account. They don’t overpromise because they know it will hurt their team.
So to me, a person worthy of respect in a corporate setting would be someone who is 1) reliable and trust-worthy (and therefore, has their supervisor’s trust), and also 2) empathic and takes into consideration the well-being of his team (and therefore is respected and cherished by their team). So they are respected in both directions – both by those above them and by those beneath them on the ladder…. I don’t know, at least this is how I imagine a perfect boss would be š
But for an experiment just today I said No for a small task because I wasnāt really interested in doing that. So I said No
But so far Iām feeling okay with thatGood for you! It’s always good to start small and practice on small things, of no big relevance. How did your boss (or the person you said No to) take it?
But I think Iām doing that because I want team members to feel closed to each other too. and mostly because guys wouldnāt show vulnerability. … Thereās no must obligation but more like if they feel like it, they can do this as a friendly gesture. I just want to put this thing as naturally as possible
Alright if there’s no obligation. You can explain that you would like to create as much as possible of a positive, encouraging atmosphere for everyone on the team, specially for the new members. Maybe you can encourage the older members to be helpful to the novices, and you can also tell the novices that they can always talk to you if they have a problem with something – that you are there for them.
As for promoting vulnerability, I am thinking it wouldn’t be a bad idea to enable your team members to give honest feedback (if you’re not already doing it) and voice their concerns, if they have any. I am not sure what is the company’s policy on that, but giving people the opportunity for feedback is super important. If they feel safe enough, they can speak up at a meeting, or if not, you can set up a box where they can throw in anonymous suggestions.
Iām also having meeting this week with People because I think some of the old members (experienced employees) who are working in their role quite well for years they should get kind of performance bonus + appreciative gift for sticking with the company. Since itās already December
What do you think? Should I make any changes?ĀFor sure – it’s always good to give a bonus for those who deserve it. And what better time than this time of the year! š So yes, if the budget allows it, by all means do give them a bonus and show your appreciation for all their hard work!
Yes itās not a overnight thing. I do have to remind this to my impatient self.
Yes, but it’s also good you’re already applying some of the concepts in practice, at your work place. I admire you for your expediency and initiative. Well done, SereneWolf!
Another thing Iām feeling anxious about like 2022 about to end. What significant things that I did or achieved. But Iām not able to see enough things
That’s probably the part of you who feels not good enough, worrying if you have achieved enough… Well for him, you’ll never be good enough… but I can tell you, as a non-biased bystander, that just in these past few months you’ve achieved many things, first in your self-awareness and willingness to challenge yourself and try new things… I mean, you’re scoring very high in learning soft skills š So give yourself some credit, give yourself a pat on the back – you’re doing great, just by this little that I am seeing!
TeeParticipantDear SereneWolf,
Yes I totally agree I like the style, he always try to explain things with simple examples without making it too complex. So for a creating boundaries video he gave an example like suppose boundary is like.. itās your own property so try to have a good neighbourhood first (Being around with good supportive and loving people) which also connects the dot for critical voice video
Yes, definitely. It’s important whom we surround ourselves with. But also, if sometimes we can’t avoid dealing with nasty or demanding people – to have boundaries to protect ourselves from them.
Neighbours canāt tell what colour my house should be
Yes! No one should be able to control how you live your life…
and the really good thing Iām noticing these days because Iām mindful about empathy is that theyāre more open with me as well so I do feel better connected with them. So Iām really grateful having good friends.
Nice! Are some of those female friends also your work colleagues?
Okay so for this I do struggle with that. Most of the time I say Yes and then get anxious as well. And I do feel like I shouldnāt disappoint my bosses or my team members but itās like a dilemma If Iām saying Lot of YES means in some way Iām disappoint my team members because of more work and also the pressure (Which I feel too) and If I say NO even though sometimes itās okay I overthink about it like I shouldnāt have said No to Him/her. Because itās my work and I shouldnāt say No.
AndĀ sometimes I donāt even listen the whole thing and be like āDonāt worry, consider it done.ā
Alright, so it seems you’re really anxious about saying No to your bosses. Sometimes you don’t even listen till the end about what the task is – you accept it without consideration. Even if it may not be feasible and your team won’t be able to deliver it, or it will require an unacceptable amount of work and stress on their part to complete the task.
What are you afraid would happen if you say No? (not rudely of course, but politely – if you explained why your teams needs more time, or why is something not such a good idea). Are you afraid you would get fired? Or that the boss would lose his respect for you (because you would seem weak and incompetent)? Or something else?
And now the thing is that there are new team members comes in my team too they would know only how to water the plant but when they understand and be adaptive and understand so even just little things that they understands they deserve appreciation.
Okay, I think I understand: so the praise would be mostly for the newcomers who learn fast and show a proactive attitude, and do more than is expected of them, right? It’s a good idea to give them praise and appreciation, however I don’t think that other team members should be obliged to do the praising, but only you, as the team leader. (You said “if someone is doing better at least 3 people closest to the member and included team leader should write little handwritten note“.)
Because I think it’s a bit like parenting – you don’t force other siblings to praise their younger brother or sister. It’s the responsibility of the parents. Because if you force other siblings to do it, they might start feeling jealous and resentful towards their younger sibling. So it might backfire and not be good for the team spirit. But if you, as the team leader, praise the newcomer, and also praise everyone who is doing their best – I think that’s useful and productive.
At least that’s how I see it… tell me if you see it differently?
Well I thatās really awesome that you have this much of self-awareness. Iām also working on my compassion part.
Many many years of working on myself did make me pretty self-aware, yes… but it was a long process, definitely not something that happened over night.
I am glad you’re working on your empathy and becoming more self-aware as well…
And thank you for offering help with my anxiety. It’s manageable, so I am fine at the moment, but I appreciate your offer!
TeeParticipantDear Hello,
I didn’t know you have children. In that case of course you need to take their interests into account too, and play it smart. I like that you have a plan and you’re sticking to it. Good job!
heās got a history of manipulating others close to him financially and those closest to him have even told me about it. Even his son said heās made a habit off living off of others since his wife left. His mom warned me of the same.
That’s interesting that even his son and mother warned you about his money habits. He must have manipulated them too into giving him money, which he probably never returned… so they probably speak from experience. It’s nice of them that they warned you, and that you finally saw through him as well.
Good that he doesn’t have access to your bank account!
Wishing you a smooth transitional period between now and January 15, and pleasant, calm holidays!
TeeParticipantDear SereneWolf,
well it was cold and rainy for the weekend, but now it’s cold and sunny, which is a much better option š
That could be right just yesterday I watched video on LinkedIn by Simon Senek how vulnerability could the greatest power in leadership position
I like Simon Sinek, yes he talks a lot about true leadership and I think that according to him, good leadership has some components of good parenting. I remember he said “good leaders eat last”, as in taking care of your team’s needs first. In fact, I see that there’s a book of his with that title (“Leaders eat last”), but haven’t read it. In any case, Simon Sinek is definitely the person to learn from about good leadership, which includes vulnerability too.
itās also right that creating an emotionally safe environment for your team it aināt no easy work. But somehow, Iāll learn
No, it’s not an easy work, but it starts with you, as their leader. First you’d need to embrace vulnerability as something positive, as a virtue, not a weakness. And then you can encourage others too…
I watched the video āThis is how you replace the critical voices in your headā.
Glad you watched the video! And that you’re planning to watch his video on setting boundaries too. I really like his style, he explains things so well. In fact he is an executive coach too, and I guess he too teaches vulnerability (and boundaries) to leaders as well. I am really glad to have people like him and Simon Sinek influence the business community…
Things I noticed like you said before I do have to surround myself with positive people. And I see that I do interact with positive people. Some of my friends gives me good vibes and even at work Itās going good.
from my experience most of the female friends (not gfs) that I have theyāre more open and vulnerable they trust in me, empathy, communication their way to express their selves canāt be even compared with my guy friends.
Good to hear that! It’s also good that you have female friends who are open and honest with you, show empathy and don’t pretend when they communicate with you. And if they are also positive, having in general an optimistic outlook on life and are supportive when you need it – then it’s a great treasure. Those are really good, valuable friends!
As for the guys, maybe some of them are positive because they believe they have to be positive, that it’s expected of them:
The thing is that my group is always like take everything down with smile, donāt say No (Which is like my biggest problem) because we feel like we should be capable of anything, and we shouldnāt disappoint people by Saying NO.
Do you, as a team leader, never say NO to your supervisors, even though you sometimes have concerns about the feasibility of the task? Do you feel you shouldn’t disappoint your bosses, and so you accept everything, and then you and your team suffer as the result? I’m asking because I’d like to understand the dynamics…
But the thing is that people everywhere taking criticism very seriously and praise very lightly thatās what I noticed and same thing is happening with me. So Iāve decided to start new thing for my team if someone is doing better at least 3 people closest to the member and included team leader should write little handwritten note (Even if just a small sticky note) to make that person feel like that did something good and it would cheer them.
I am not sure if I understood it well: so you’re planning to introduce a system of appreciative notes – for those who are performing well, or exceeding the average performance (if someone is doing better)? Or is it for those who were criticized and have improved their performance since?
And building neuroplasticity with practice ā Whatās your experience with that so far?
Well, I can tell you that my inner critical voice is very silent, almost inaudible nowadays š It doesn’t mean I am not aware of my weaknesses, it’s just that I have much more compassion and understanding for myself than before. I don’t know if this would be visible in how those neurons in the brain are firing, but that’s what happened š I do still have anxiety in certain situations, my amygdala getting triggered, but it’s not related to my self-esteem. So I definitely am different than I was years ago…
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
continuing to anita’s post, I did find it strange when you first mentioned (recently) that your sister was angry with you because you couldn’t go to her son’s Christening. I thought to myself – wow, she (your sister) has a child and a partner? I too had the impression that she was living at home with your parents, and wasn’t able to function on her own. But then I told myself that maybe her condition improved in the last 2 years and she found a partner, became pregnant etc. And that she is using her tantrums to manipulate you and your parents to get what she wants.
In Sept 2020, she was still dependent on your parents’ help for day-to-day functioning. After the tantrum she had, when she was rolling on the floor and pulling her hair, and when your mother broke down, you said that it was your father who took over the care of your sister: He is now in charge of dealing with my sister, so to leave me and my mom out of it.
Which tells me that 2 years ago she was still dependent on your parents. Was it that soon after that she met her boyfriend and sort of pulled herself together, maybe moved out of your parents’ home and started a life on her own, with her new boyfriend?
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