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  • in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #448654
    Tee
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    Dear Dafne,

    I’m so glad to hear from you again! I’m happy you had a nice time at the retreat. You stayed there for quite a while! And planning to go back for an even longer stay, right?

    Let me first comment on the situation with the man: his first reaction was not to express empathy and concern for you, but he accused you or getting lost and wanting anything from him (He told me that I live nearby so I should know where to go.) He didn’t like you asked for his help.

    And then, even worse, he refused to wait for you, justifying it with being busy with his projects. Which if I understood well, he has been working on for years now, and nothing even panned out. So I guess one more Saturday afternoon wouldn’t make a difference. That was clearly just an excuse.

    And he didn’t ask if you came home safely. Even if you’d had an argument and you said you didn’t want to meet him again, a caring person would still inquire if you arrived home safely, because it wasn’t a completely danger-free situation. But his pride was stronger, I guess, and he just didn’t care anymore.

    This all shows his character, Dafne. He’s not a good, caring man, but a self-centered, quick-tempered, immature man, who isn’t able (or willing) to be there for you in challenging situations. He not only checked out, but blamed you for what happened. He expressed no empathy for you.

    I suggest you don’t try to apologize or reach out to him, because he is the one who failed you. You didn’t fail him.

    It can happen to anyone to make a mistake, such as getting lost on the motorway. But a decent person will have understanding and will try to help, rather than blaming you and turning their back on you. So no, Dafne, he’s not a good man.

    The retreat was quite helpful, but I feel the old, fearful patterns are coming back and stealing the peace I felt over there…

    I’m sorry that about that šŸ™ Are those patterns related to returning to living with your mother? If I understood well, your mother was accompanying you to the meeting with this man (your ex-boyfriend) in a nearby city, right?

    I must admit, I wasn’t happy to hear this, even though in this particular case, it was good that she was with you because she was supportive and didn’t panic when you two got lost. But she has been accompanying you to dates with men before, right? Even with this guy too.

    I’ve found you talk about it in a post on February 6th this year. You and your mother met with him before, in a restaurant, and she was inquiring about his job and his projects. His answers were all vague, he didn’t want to give any details or deadlines. And then, when she probed a bit more and asked whether he could change careers, he got really upset, accused both of you of having no faith in him, and asked for a pause in the relationship until the project gets finalized.

    Your mother was helpful in this particular situation too, because she wasn’t afraid to probe and ask him questions, and basically uncover that he might be a scammer, that his big plans and “projects” might all be just empty talk. So she was helpful in spotting potential cheaters and scammers.

    However, her overall role in your life – where she is trying to control you and your life choices, and keeping you close to her via emotional blackmail and guilt-tripping – hasn’t been an overly positive one. You did want to get away from her and her influence.

    And so I must admit it saddened me a little when you said that the old patterns of fear and insecurity are creeping in, and to realize that maybe this has to do with your mother still having a central role in your life, and you still relying on her to tell you whether a guy is good for you or not.

    Please, dear Dafne, don’t take this as judgment of you. I have nothing but compassion for you. And I want you to thrive and be happy. That’s why I’m mentioning the “big picture” again: finding your True Self first, stepping into your True Self, before attempting to find a romantic partner.

    Because if you respect yourself, you’ll attract guys who respect you. But if you have low self-esteem, you’ll be more easily manipulated by men who want to take advantage of you.

    And here’s the thing: you don’t need your mother to protect you from manipulative men. What you need is to step into your True Self. Because when we’re in touch with our true self, we’ll have the wisdom to spot dishonest, manipulative men. We won’t fall for their BS.

    Finding you true self – independent from your mother – is your ticket to finding good guys. You don’t need her, you need YOU. The real you.

    I hope this makes sense, Dafne. I hope you can get more and more in touch with your inner voice, and that this retreat gave you a chance for that. Because you were allowed to just “be”, without the constant chatter, criticism and demands of your mother:

    There was no comparison, no criticism, no gossip, no chaos, only simple human beings and Universe.

    If you go to a similar retreat again, please use the supportive environment there to get in touch with your inner voice. Feel the love for yourself, hold yourself tenderly. Be gentle with yourself, like you would with a puppy who needs your love and care. Create an inner environment of love and acceptance for yourself. That’s how you can connect to your True Self.

    I hope this wasn’t too overwhelming, Dafne. I hope you can get to a place of more confidence in yourself. You are a wonderful, talented woman, and you definitely deserve it!

    in reply to: Abandonment Trauma #448610
    Tee
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    This is beautiful, Alessa! <3

    A wonderful example of re-parenting your inner child, giving her love and support, and protecting her from the people who treat her poorly. That’s amazing, and I’m sure it will result in a deep, transformative healing.

    You’re doing a great job, Alessa! And I’m happy you shared your process with us! <3

    in reply to: Having attachment issues and letting go issues #448590
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    Dear Eva,

    I’m sorry you’re hurting and cannot stop thinking about him, even if rationally you know he wasn’t good for you.

    He may have promised to change how he’s treating you, but those were just some cosmetic changes. There was no deeper awareness of why he should behave differently in a relationship, or that he is wrong in any way.

    The way he phrased it “I allowed you to invite your friends” says a lot about his mindset: as if he is doing you a big favor and a big concession by treating you as an equal partner, rather than his subordinate, or even his property, or something to that effect.

    His attitude and his mindset are very worrying, to be honest, and it’s not something he can change at will. Nor does he want to change it, since he believes there’s nothing wrong with him. So rest assured that he would always fall back on treating you like this – because that’s his “modus operandi”. That’s who he is.

    He told you something very deceptive:

    And in the end he told me that if I had been understanding, patient, there would have been no one like me, I would have been perfect.

    Yeah right. Then why has he been hiding you from the world for 5 years?

    This either shows his hypocrisy, or that he sincerely believes that a “perfect” partner is someone who is obedient and fulfills his wishes, while he can treat her like a doormat. Again, a very worrying (and toxic) mindset.

    But I understand that even though you’re rationally aware of all of this, emotionally it’s still very hard for you to let him go. When we can’t let go emotionally, even though we know it rationally, it’s usually something to do with our inner child.

    The inner child is a part of us that carries our longing to be loved, appreciated, validated, seen as special,etc. We should ideally get all those needs met in our childhood, by our parents or caretakers.

    But when this doesn’t happen, those unmet needs are still in us, and they cause us deep longing for those same things (love, appreciation, validation) – but not from our parents, but our romantic partner(s).

    Often we get blinded by those longings, and even if we rationally know that the person isn’t good for us, our irrational part (our inner child) cannot let go. This could explain why you’re so attached to him, even if you know he’s not good for you.

    This is just a suggestion, of course. It doesn’t mean it’s true for you. But if it rings true, we can talk about it more, if you’re interested.

    in reply to: Parent Life #448564
    Tee
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    Dear Alessa,

    my holiday is going fine, thanks. Much more limited in terms of mobility, so sightseeing, hiking and similar enjoyable activities are out of the question. But still, there’s swimming, eating ice-cream and just sitting by the sea, and I find joy in that too šŸ™‚

    That’s great to hear you are setting boundaries with your mother. It is a shame that she doesn’t take them too well. Sadly, expected.

    Yeah, and it’s good that I am much less triggered when interacting with her (which is rare to begin with), and so I can mostly remain calm and composed. I used to overreact and yell at her when she said something nasty, and she used it as a proof that I’m the bad one, the crazy one, and that I’m abusing her. I’ve learned since that if I overreact, she’ll use it against me, and so it was important for me to learn emotional regulation.

    I think the difficulty comes in, is if your mother is unwilling to meet your needs and boundaries. Like mine sadly was. Then you have to consider how much you want to invest in your relationship with her.

    Yes, my relationship with her is very limited nowadays. We don’t live in the same country and I only meet her when going on holidays. She hasn’t changed but I have, and so I’m managing my interactions with her better. I don’t feel completely drained and defeated around her anymore.

    The way my therapist said it was, think of her as someone who is sick and don’t expect much.

    Yes, definitely. I’ve learned that a couple of years ago, and so my expectations are minimal. Still, when I experience her crossing my boundaries, and then feeling offended and telling me that I’m evil for expressing my needs – well, I’m not going to stay silent. I won’t start yelling at her like before, but I’m going to point it out. And then she usually drops it and changes the subject.

    But I know she believes I’m a bad daughter, at least in those moments she does. But it doesn’t bother me anymore, because I don’t need her validation any longer. So I’m fine with standing up for myself, even if I know she won’t like me for that šŸ™‚

    I don’t really think in terms of right or wrong anymore. I try to look behind at the need that is being expressed and understand the other person’s emotional experience.

    You don’t have to take responsibility for someone else’s experience, but I find that showing care for people when they are hurt, even when they lash out is important. I have found that it facilitates communication. Anger begets anger, but meeting anger with kindness can soften it.

    Yes, I know what you mean. You show kindness and understanding for the person, even if they overreact or do or say something nasty – because you know that behind their bad behavior is an unmet need. And that they’re hurting. And that their overreaction or abusive behavior towards another may be a defense mechanism.

    I find that a truly valuable approach and key in conflict resolution. To get people to communicate and express what hurt them, and also to acknowledge their genuine need. However, there are situations where you validate someone’s pain, show them empathy and kindness, and your willingness to talk things through. You extend your hand and your heart.

    But all you get is their defenses getting stronger, their walls going up, and the person refusing any contact. Because you haven’t aligned with them and only them in the conflict, but instead, you’re trying to see everyone’s perspective and acknowledge everyone’s hurt. You’re trying to mediate, but they see it as betrayal.

    I totally agree that anger begets anger, and doesn’t facilitate communication. But sometimes even kindness begets anger, if the person perceives your kindness to others as betrayal of them.

    And I think those are conflicts that cannot be resolved unfortunately, no matter how kind and understanding we are with the person.

    in reply to: Parent Life #448528
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Lucidity,

    thank you for your thoughts, they very much resonate with me.

    I find it so much easier to address these things with my children in that hurts can be named for the impact they had, the perpetrators be named, accountability be requested or offered, apologies made, perspectives understood, and then things can return to normal with a possible cool down period for those who need it to emotionally regulate. In these situations everyone is supported and seen for what they contributed to the situation and it is in this shared narrative where validation happens for my children, for me, for my husband. It’s not as easy as this blue print as we grow older altho I do believe that it is still the ideal way to deal with things.

    Yes, it seems like a very healthy process, where everyone gets heard and amends are made and apologies offered where necessary. It’s wonderful that you’re practicing this with your husband and children – it will mean so much for your children’s healthy emotional development. Kudos to you, Lucidity!

    When other courses of action are taken I find that unexpressed emotions that could not be aired, such as saddness or righteous anger, has a chance to morph into resentment, apathy, or distrust, and there is nothing wrong in that. It’s a natural outcome and one that often serves to protect us from similar situations in the future. I understand that no one owes us these resolutions.

    I agree. Even where there is no mutual resolution, we can still resolve things within ourselves. We don’t necessarily need the other person to acknowledge their part of the responsibility. As you said, it’s not an ideal course of events, but nevertheless, we don’t need to remain in resentment, anger or apathy. We can move on.

    As for trust, it takes people to communicate and “see” each other and understand each other’s perspective. When that’s missing, trust is difficult to build and the relationship changes. That’s an unfortunate outcome.

    Sometimes the outcome is a bitter pill to swallow, is sad, and essentially left unresolved. I’m sorry that this appears to be what is eventuating. It sucks šŸ™

    Yes, this appears to be a conflict without mutual resolution. When communication is cut on one (or both) sides, resolution isn’t possible, unfortunately.

    I wanted to say this because I have been at the brunt of this many times. It hurts and seeing the hurt minimised or sidelined be it thro rationalisation or spiritual by-passing or whatever still hurts.

    I hear you, and I feel the same. Sometimes what hurts more is when bad behavior is rationalized and when guilt is “evenly distributed”. As in “we all have wounds and false perceptions, and so in a conflict, we’re all equally guilty. It’s everyone’s fault and no one’s fault. Now let’s continue as if nothing happened”.

    That kind of attitude is what hurts me maybe the most. Because it’s not always true that we’re all equally responsible in a conflict. When we’re all lumped together, I think it’s a form of gaslighting. It doesn’t help conflict resolution, but rather leads to deepening of hurt.

    Anyway, thank you so much, Lucidity, for sharing your perspective on this. It’s clear that you’ve got a lot of experience in dealing with “unsolvable” conflicts. And that you’ve matured and gained a lot of wisdom from that. You haven’t closed your heart to people, and yet you’re aware when abuse is present. I greatly appreciate your words and your wisdom <3

    in reply to: Parent Life #448503
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    Dear Alessa,

    I’m glad you’re feeling better now and less shaken <3

    I actually found an inclusive church nearby after our conversation. I was very surprised as it is the only one in the whole county. I think I’ll check it out and see how it feels and see how things go from there.

    Oh cool! I hope you’ll have a good experience with it, and that people leading it will be honest and loving.

    Yes, it feels impossible to please everyone and take care of your own needs sometimes. It is a real shame. I wish that there was a way that everything would be okay for everyone.

    Yeah, that would be in an ideal world. If everybody were willing to look within and acknowledge their own mistakes, a world would be a much better place. But like this, it’s a mess in some places. And it’s so very sad. It happens both in our personal lives and on the world scale.

    I felt something shift in me recently. I feel like when people misunderstand me. I can give myself compassion and grace, having faith in myself that it is just a misunderstanding.

    Oh that’s good – that you’re not blaming yourself, but giving yourself compassion and grace. Sometimes we say something that hurts the other person, even if what we said wasn’t hurtful at all. My mother gets offended so easily, e.g. if I simply ask for some personal space, i.e. put a minimal boundary, and I do it respectfully. But she sees it as rejection of her and blames me. She gets offended. She feels harmed.

    What is one to do in those cases? I stopped blaming myself – I see that it’s a part of her personality, and it is a failure of hers, not mine. I don’t want to be apologizing for something I haven’t done. And so I told her recently that it’s not okay to communicate with people in that manner: to get offended when the other person asks for some minimal consideration for themselves, i.e. that their needs be respected. I don’t want to give up on my needs so that she wouldn’t feel offended.

    It’s exactly what you said: “it feels impossible to please everyone and take care of your own needs sometimes.” Yes, if I want to honer my own needs, my mother will be offended (not always, but in some cases). But should I give up on my needs? Should I apologize for “hurting” her, even if there was nothing hurtful in my request? Well, no, I decided not to do that any more. I decided to speak out when something like that happens.

    It was nice because I do care a lot and worry especially when conflict happens with people I care about. I have a tendency to take things to heart.

    Yes, I know you’re the kind of person who deeply considers how you might have contributed to the conflict and what you might have done wrong. I’m that kind of person too. But sometimes we haven’t done anything wrong, other than expressing our need or our boundary, and the person still took it against us. Those are the situations in which I refuse to feel guilty anymore, but I rather stand my ground.

    Because I know I have the right to have needs, and that my legitimate needs shouldn’t endanger another person. If they do, then it tells more about them than myself.

    BTW I’m on holidays now and will probably spend less time at the computer. So please forgive delays in replies.

    Take care! <3

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #448487
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    wow, wow, wow, what a nice surprise! šŸ™‚ I’m really happy to hear from you!

    Sorry to hear you lost your job though šŸ™ I know you were really happy about it and proud of yourself. And you did deserve it! But it seems the IT sector is nowadays hit hard by the developments in AI. And you say Trump policies as well – has he imposed tariffs on Indian IT goods as well? Or you’re feeling it more indirectly?

    I’m glad you’re taking care of yourself and exercising regularly. But it must be hard to financially support your family, even when you don’t have a job. I understand you didn’t want to tell them, and that’s why you need keep paying up. Do you think they’d judge you a lot if they knew you lost your job? Or they’d expect you to find another job ASAP and be “less picky”?

    And yeah, I can imagine that the fact they take your support for granted hurts the most. That’s a cultural thing and I guess it’s pretty hard to be born in such a culture šŸ™

    I’m glad you’re managing to rent your own flat and not live with your parents. Because yeah, I know the type of mental exhaustion that goes with that… BTW is your father’s health better now? Last time we spoke you said your grandfather was ill too. How is he now?

    I’m also happy you have supporting people in your life as well. That’s super important!

    And so you’re starting another round of travels this Thursday, right? How was the last round of travels? Have you met anyone interesting? šŸ˜‰

    I myself am kind of better, not necessarily physically better, but rather, having more mental resilience, I guess. I’m learning to hope, to think more positively, to not fall into depression when things get physically tough. And they do, but then they get better, and it’s a roller-coaster. But mentally/emotionally I can regulate myself better. So I guess that’s an achievement. I feel more stable now.

    Today is the first day of my holidays, and I’m looking forward to do some swimming (which should do me good health-wise too). As far as bigger, career-wise projects, they’re still “in the making”. But I don’t feel they’re impossible any more. Still, more focused action is needed if I want to make things happen. So yeah, that’s the next big step for me…

    I wish you all the best on your next round of travels! And yes, to keep putting one foot in front of the other, never losing hope, never giving up on your dreams…

    in reply to: Having attachment issues and letting go issues #448400
    Tee
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    Dear Eva,

    you’re welcome. I’m sorry you’re in pain and feeling stuck right now.

    I’ve been carrying this heavy guilt ever since my breakup, and the ā€œwhat ifā€ questions keep spinning in my head like a broken record. What if I hadn’t said anything? What if I had been ā€œbetterā€ to him? What if I hadn’t gotten triggered or upset? Could I have saved the relationship if I had just stayed quiet or tried harder?

    It’s exhausting because on one hand, I know I was expressing real feelings — I was asking for connection, for time together, for basic respect after years of feeling like I was always chasing scraps of attention. But on the other hand, every time I raised my needs, he said I wasn’t ā€œunderstandingā€ enough, and eventually it led to him breaking up with me. Now, I’m left questioning myself deeply.

    What you’re experiencing is typical for victims of narcissistic abuse. The narcissist never ever takes responsibility for their actions, they never ever acknowledge they did something wrong. They always and without exception blame the victim – their partner in this case – that it’s their fault. Your partner did exactly that to you: he was relentlessly telling you it was your fault, that you’re not understanding enough, that you’re too sensitive, or whatever other accusation:

    Every time, he finds a way to twist it so that I’m the problem. He’s never once apologized. Never taken responsibility. Just blames me for my reactions to his actions.

    He has been gaslighting you the entire time you were together, and you started believing him. At least a part of you believes him, believes that you’re not good enough. That if only you hadn’t complained, hadn’t raised your voice etc, he would have treated you better. He wouldn’t have left you.

    Well, maybe he wouldn’t have left you – because it would suit him to keep using you for his selfish needs – but he would have never treated you better. He would have never truly loved you, because he didn’t care about you and your needs, but only about himself. You don’t want to be a doormat for such a selfish person.

    He was using you, Eva, and once you started protesting, and your protesting became too loud for his taste – he didn’t have a need for you anymore. That’s what happened.

    I know that no matter how much I loved him, that doesn’t change anything. We weren’t for each other. And that hurts too much.

    Dear Eva, it could be that in the beginning he was love bombing you (as narcissists typically do), and he gave an impression of someone who deeply understands you and cares for you. But that’s a game they play until the victim gets caught into their web. And you did speak of “chemistry, understanding, and a genuine connection“.

    He was giving you something – manipulating you in some way – that felt good and validating. But I guess those were just nice words and promises that he never kept? Because that’s how a narcissist operates.

    And because of those nice words, and grand gestures (specially in the beginning) we might start believing that he is “the one”. We get hooked. And then, after the love-bombing phase, the devaluation phase begins, in which he starts criticizing you, putting you down, or avoid showing you in public etc. And you might believe it’s your fault, and that if you’re only “better” to him, he might return to being the loving and caring guy who was over the moon about you in the beginning.

    I don’t know if this was happening for you, but that’s a typical course of events in a narcissistic relationship, and how the victim is led to believe that if only she tried harder, she would manage to please him. But that’s a trap, Eva. You were never good enough for him, because nobody is ever good enough for a narcissist. They want to feel superior, to dominate, to put the other person down, so they can feel better about themselves.

    A narcissist doesn’t want a partner, but a fan. And so there cannot be a meaningful relationship with a narcissist. Trust me when I say that you’re lucky that he let you go. You dodged a bullet. I know it doesn’t feel like that at the moment, but that’s the truth.

    Perhaps the worst thing is that we lose our self-esteem due to narcissistic abuse. In the beginning, the narcissist is very good at making us feel special. But later, throughout the relationship, they’re very good at devaluing us and making us feel like nobody. By the time they leave us, our self-esteem is virtually non-existent. We feel worthless and unlovable. And perhaps this is the place that you’re at now, Eva?

    If so, please know that you’re special and amazing! That none of what the narcissist’s told you is true. Those were his lies to keep you small and under his control. But you can now be free from that. You can free yourself from his toxic narrative!

    I hope this helps you a little, to snap out of this deep hole where you’re blaming yourself. It’s not your fault, Eva. You did nothing wrong.

    Narcissistic abuse is a horrible thing and I hope you can find healing. Do you have access to therapy? There are also wonderful free resources on the internet, such as Doctor Ramani’s youtube channel, where you can start educating yourself about narcissistic abuse and how to heal. I’d be happy to talk some more, if this is helpful.

    in reply to: Parent Life #448399
    Tee
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    Dear Lucidity,

    thank you so much for your message, it means a lot. I’m glad you found the conversations on the forums validating and that you felt less alone.

    But as you’ve noticed, things have changed recently and I won’t lie, it was unsettling and left a bitter taste in my mouth. I’m still gathering my thoughts about everything, but I’d like to hope that Tiny Buddha can continue to be a safe space, still.

    And I believe that your voice and everyone’s voice is important. That’s why I’m glad you spoke out. It was very kind of you and validating. Thank you again!

    As for staying or leaving, well for now, I feel more like staying. I hope you stay too, Lucidity. As well as Alessa.

    I’m so happy you’re still here, Alessa. It feels comforting. And I hope you stay. But I understand if you prefer not to. I’ve got your email, so we can stay in touch. And Lucidity’s too.

    Lots of love to both of you! <3

    in reply to: Life Worth Living- what is it like? #448398
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    Hi Peter,

    thank you for sharing your perspective.

    To me, SOCJ resembles dream interpretation where every figure, object, and event is a reflection of the dreamer’s inner world. Just as only the dreamer can truly understand the meaning of their dream symbols, so too is SOCJ a deeply personal process.

    Yes, indeed, journaling is a kind of practice that unpacks and reflects the person’s inner world. However, if that journal is shared in public, then the characters in that journal are not just static figures and “objects” that the person can assign whatever meaning to and project whatever idea onto. They are people of flesh and blood, who shouldn’t be used as placeholders for someone else’s process. Those kinds of things are done in therapy. Or in private.

    Commenting on someone else’s SOCJ can be like waking a sleepwalker well-intentioned, but disorienting or even painful.

    If someone is sharing their journal in public, but doesn’t want comments, what’s the purpose of that? And if what they’re sharing involves attacks and insinuations about other members, should we just allow it without saying a word?

    I like how you’re going about tension and discomfort we might feel in interaction with others:

    I believe that if we can sit with that discomfort and not rush to fix it or assign blame, we find healing. That tension, that pause, is where transformation begins.

    Yes, every interaction that stirs something in us can be used as a mirror, to see something about ourselves. To examine ourselves.

    Tinny Buddha is a space that encourages vulnerability.

    Yes, it does. I believe, and others have said it too, that it’s a safe space, where people are treated with kindness and compassion. However, sharing one’s personal journal that contains thoughts and feelings about other members of the forum – is not really vulnerability. It’s something else.

    I welcome what Lori said that journaling is a format that goes against the purpose of TB forums, because the forums are about back-and-forth exchange, which indeed can be open, honest and vulnerable. But it shouldn’t be about witnessing one person’s raw thoughts and feelings, because that’s very intimate and can cause more harm than good. That kind of vulnerable sharing is more appropriate for other, more private settings.

    in reply to: Life Worth Living- what is it like? #448336
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    Excerpt from Anita’s post:

    I was thinking: if I share this here, will some people rejoice in my pain?

    Will some people go: Yea! The **** got hurt!?

    This is what crossed my mind, following recent interactions here, in the forums.

    The above is called projection. Projecting one’s own hateful thoughts and feelings on others, believing that others harbor the said thoughts and feelings. Well, they don’t. But the person is convinced they are. And so they launch an attack, a smear campaign, throwing dirt on their targets.

    Should that be allowed in a public space? That one member throws dirt on other members, based on their distorted thinking? I don’t think so.

    Lori has been informed.

    in reply to: Parent Life #448257
    Tee
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    Dear Alessa,

    I’m sorry you’re feeling overwhelmed right now. I understand if you don’t want to keep talking about issues like conflict and how to handle it, because it’s a sensitive topic for you. It’s not a pleasant topic for me either.

    Thank you too for everything, for your support and kindness and having a healthy, balanced perspective. I also appreciate your ability to stand up for yourself, express your needs and set boundaries. That’s a very important skill.

    I think you actually exemplified assertiveness – being kind and understanding for the other person, but also respecting yourself and your own needs. Congratulations on that!

    I think you’re doing a great job, being a loving and caring (and self-aware) mom, and doing your best to raise a happy and healthy child. I wish you lots of self-compassion too, as we’ve discussed. And I hope we can talk some more.

    Lots of love <3

    in reply to: Parent Life #448234
    Tee
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    Dear Alessa,

    I’m loving our conversation too <3

    Thank you for clarifying. I do still think you did a good job figuring this out in your 20s. ā¤ļø

    Yeah, I guess I always strived for a balanced view and justice – I didn’t like when my mother blamed certain people who weren’t really bad people. I realized things are not black-and-white and that she too is contributing to those problems. Somehow justice and truth were always important to me.

    It is admittedly difficult and takes time to heal from these experiences with parents. I’m so happy you got there. You’re an inspiration!

    Oh thank you, that’s so sweet of you to say <3 It was a long-winded road, but yeah, I see things much more clearly now than in the past.

    I do pray too, I find it comforting. It is just the organisation side of things that I have difficulty with.

    Yes, me too. I’m probably what they call “spiritual, but not religious.” Because I’m not following some of the rules which a true believer would consider obligatory, like going to Mass regularly, taking communion, etc. I believe that each of us is able to “communicate” with God in our hearts, and I don’t like the notion that it’s only possible through the mediation of the Church. I’m not against hearing a sermon, taking communion or some of the rituals, but I don’t believe it is a prerequisite to being “saved” or anything like that.

    At the same time, the actual experience of going to church is nice. I just don’t know how comfortable I am about involving my son in these things because my views of God are a bit more forgiving of people that some traditional beliefs. I cannot say that I believe something that I don’t.

    There was a period when I too was going to church more frequently. I found it comforting. But now, it’s not too frequent, it’s very rare, to be honest.

    As for involving your son, well, I guess just be spontaneous about it. If you don’t feel like going to church every Sunday, don’t go. I guess just be yourself, don’t try to impose neither on yourself nor your son some artificial rules, which you don’t feel like following.

    When he’s old enough, you’ll see if you want to take him to church, and I guess he’ll tell you if he likes it or not. So my advice is not to put any pressure on yourself and just let things evolve spontaneously.

    I do have fears, like anyone else but I don’t let them stop me from expressing myself.

    Yes, I’ve noticed you’re not actually afraid of expressing yourself and your opinion, and that’s fantastic!

    I think, what I’m afraid of is hurting other people. I would never want to make someone feel the way that I did growing up. An unrealistic fear perhaps because I’m not that kind of a person.

    Yes, you’re super caring and kind, and very considerate in how you address people, so I think you might worry too much. Of course, there are always people who won’t like something you’ve said, no matter how kind and considerate you phrase it, or how well intentioned you are.

    There are people who can’t stand when someone disagrees with them, because they see it as an attack on their person. Unfortunately, there’s no way to please those people – because the only way to please them is to tell them what they want to hear. If we don’t want that, we need to deal with the consequences of not being liked, or rather, of being strongly disliked by them.

    So yeah, we cannot please everyone. But if the price of pleasing someone is to silence yourself, to betray yourself, I’d rather pass on that. I want to stay true to myself.

    But I’m also quite sensitive to conflict myself because of the trauma I’ve been through, so I try my best to be mindful that people might have disproportionate reactions because of their own experiences.

    That’s very mature of you to consider that people sometimes overreact, and that it’s not necessarily because something you said or did, but something that gets stirred in them. An old wound.

    A friend of mine once said that when she interacts with people, she keeps in mind that they all have their problems, so when someone is rude to her, she doesn’t take it too personally. I guess that’s a smart way to go about it, because she doesn’t get too upset if someone treats her subpar.

    I don’t know what the solution will be, perhaps at some point I’ll learn the line where I actually have a level of control over the way I affect others? Who knows!

    Hmmm… the thing is that we can only control what we say and how we say it, but not how it is received by others. If someone perceives your honest, well-intended remark as an attack, well, you can’t really do much about it.

    So I guess you can try your best to be kind, express your concerns (if any) in a kind way, clarify any misunderstandings, but ultimately, you cannot control how the other person will receive it. It will depend on their character, their wounds, their willingness to self-reflect and receive feedback.

    It’s been real pleasure to talk to you too! <3

    in reply to: Parent Life #448181
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Alessa,

    It’s good to hear that you see that when you were a child you didn’t do anything wrong and that your Mother being unhappy wasn’t your fault.

    That’s interesting that you had such a level of insight at such a young age.

    Oh no, the insight came much later. When I was a child, I was trying to please my mother and not to upset her. When I was in my early 20s, I started to see that she has a very negative mindset and that things aren’t as bad as she is portraying them to be. That’s when I tried to explain those things to her and how she might want to adopt a more positive mindset (the glass is half full). But she wouldn’t listen. And she kept complaining, whining, etc.

    And then eventually, when I’ve already started working on myself and my psychology, that’s when I realized that no matter how well I performed and how “perfect” I were, she still wouldn’t be happy with me. Because she’s just that kind of person.

    So the insight came much later, and only gradually. I spent my entire childhood, youth and beyond trying to please her. And seeing myself as inadequate and deeply damaged.

    To be fair, those are some nice ideas. I’m glad you benefitted from them and managed to heal from the religious trauma and self worth issues.

    Yeah, I’ve realized that many people project the qualities of their parents onto God. I did it too. So it was kind of liberating to have spiritual teachings tell you that God is loving and compassionate. And even if you’re the greatest “sinner”, that still at your core you’re beautiful and precious. And lovable. I think that was the biggest lessons I took from those teachings. And it did help me find love for myself, and also open my heart to others.

    Since having a child, I’ve developed a parental mindset. I’ve found that it helps me sometimes to imagine that I am my own parent.

    That’s a super healthy mindset. And it helps you stay in touch with your inner child and soothe it. Because we’re all children still, even as adults, specially in difficult times, when we feel scared, lost and confused. We all need soothing. So it’s great if you can be a loving parent to your inner child.

    Sometimes when it’s really hard, I cry out to God (or my idea of God), and it helps. It helps me carry the burden, even if it’s hard sometimes, specially with these physical issues and limitations.

    But anyway, I think that having the concept of a loving and caring parent figure in our psyche is very important. Sometimes, we can be that to ourselves (our adult self to our inner child). And sometimes, when the challenge is too big, I feel that I need something beyond, something bigger than myself to soothe me, and that’s a divine presence. That’s God, for me.

    He isn’t afraid to tell you when he doesn’t like something.

    That’s good, that’s a healthy instinct! Actually it’s a normal developmental phase that around the age of 2 they start saying No to a lot of things (the terrible twos, I’m sure you’ve heard of it). That’s when they start the process of individuation and breaking free from the symbiosis with the mother. And that’s a normal, healthy stage.

    If the parent is offended by the child’s “defiance” and punishes them, or withdraws their love, that’s when the damage can happen. The child may remain psychologically enmeshed with the mother and never learn to become a separate self, with their own likes and dislikes, preferences, etc. Later in their adulthood, they may feel guilty for wanting to be different, for wanting to be themselves, not what their parents want them to be.

    Yes, I definitely agree about the boundaries. In a parenting class I went to they said to raise your voice if there was actual danger. But otherwise just say no, avoid, distract or ignore undesirable behaviours. I thought it was a really good class!

    Yeah, that’s a good tactic to not raise your voice until there’s an actual immediate danger. Otherwise you can explain everything in a calm way, being loving but determined. And distraction, specially with small children, is a really good tool as well!

    Yes, I’ve read a lot of parenting advice like that. I do think it is important to apologize after making mistakes and focus on repair after conflict. I think because of my trauma, I’m just extremely uncomfortable with conflict in general.

    I see. Yeah, often times we fear asserting ourselves (expressing our needs, desires, preferences, expressing our No as well) because we were taught that we’re bad if we do that. And it caused conflict as well – we might have been punished or ridiculed or guilt-tripped or whatever if we dared to express ourselves.

    Sometimes there’s an even deeper belief that we’re not worthy to have our needs met. Because that was the message we’ve received. And then of course, how could we assert ourselves? How could we ask anything for ourselves? How could we stand our ground – when we believe we don’t have the right to? Or that we would be rejected.

    So perhaps sometimes the fear of conflict is the fear of rejection. Because whenever we tried to assert ourselves, we were rejected. I don’t know if that’s true for you, but it definitely was for me. Asserting myself meant rejection and possible humiliation. So with time, it meant losing my sense of self. Questioning it. Not knowing who I am and what’s good for me. Losing my self – because I wasn’t allowed to express it.

    That’s a really nice idea. I will try my best to focus on showing myself loving kindness. Did you find that strategy helped you?

    Yes, absolutely. Having compassion for yourself is the key. For me, it was the first step in healing. Without it, I couldn’t have countered the relentless voice of the inner critic. So yes, compassion and loving kindness for yourself is the key.

    Lovely chatting to you too, Alessa <3

    in reply to: Walking on Eggshells #448168
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi John,

    I too have taken a look at some of your older threads, and like Anita said, this seems to be a very similar issue to the one you’ve talked about before, which is fear of being judged and criticized by others, as well as fear of conflict. You were also pretty aware of what might lie behind those fears (this is what you wrote in 2013):

    I recognize that the way I behave is largely influenced by experiences from my past – parents, teachers, bosses, lovers, all of whom brought into my life their neurosis, stresses, and anxieties. I can see how their unhealthy minds shaped the way I see the world and respond to it. Namely, walking on eggshells – avoiding their wrath and seeking approval.

    Chances are that you were the most influenced by your parents, because they are the first who shape our reality and our self-concept, i.e. the way we see ourselves and how we feel about ourselves.

    Would you say that you were exposed to your parents’ neurosis, stresses and anxieties? And that you even tried to soothe them, but never managed:

    I try to be compassionate and empathetic to their point of view, but that approach seems to be met with even more disdain as if, in their eyes, I’m not appreciating the gravity and seriousness of the situation. My openness, lightheartedness, and willingness to talk it through in a calm and collected manner seems to bring about even more stress, anxiety, and frustration to the point where I start to doubt myself and begin to get sucked into their neurosis.

    Have you perhaps tried to soothe your parents’ anxiety, but they’ve dismissed you, and even accused you of not taking their problems seriously, and it only aggravated them? To the point that you felt helpless and anxious yourself (“sucked into their neurosis”), because there was nothing you could do?

    You were also aware of your inner critic:

    I recognize that judge or inner critic is not my own voice but that of my parents and other overly critical people that I’ve been exposed to over the years. But these voices are really not helpful and need to put in their place fast because I realize that they’re holding me back from living the kind of spontaneous and joyful life I want to live.

    And you’ve mentioned the advice your meditation teachers gave you:

    I really need to work on stopping these automatic reflexes of thought, which are usually so negative. My meditation instructors talk about approaching the mind like an unruly child – correct it’s actions, but be gentle, kind, and compassionate. But sometimes, I just want to slap it over my knee and giving it a good spanking.

    For me, the best way to stop the absolute rule (and terror) of my inner critic was to get in touch with my inner child and show her gentleness, kindness and compassion, like a good, loving parent would. “Installing” the compassionate parental voice (which is the voice of your true self) as the antidote to the relentless judgments of the inner critic.

    You as a child needed a lot of softness, compassion, empathy and understanding, like every child needs. But unfortunately it seems you’ve received a lot of anxiety, criticism and judgment instead. And because of that, your inner child still believes he is not good enough.

    I hope you can get to the bottom of this. If this resonates, I’d be happy to talk some more.

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