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ParticipantDear Laura,
there are so many examples of beautiful women being cheated on. One that gained worldwide attention is when in 1995, a famous actor cheated on his famous and amazingly beautiful girlfriend, with a prostitute. In a most recent gossip, another famous actor has just abandoned his very attractive girlfriend because she’s turned 25.
I tend to agree with the second poster here (Ade), who said that men (and women) cheat mostly because they feel some of their emotional needs aren’t met. It doesn’t necessarily mean that their partner isn’t fulfilling those needs, but that the person who is cheating has emotional scars which lead them to seek excitement, validation, appreciation etc outside the committed relationship.
Have you yourself experienced being cheated on? If you have, I am very sorry. You are welcome to share some more, if you feel like it.
Tee
ParticipantDear Neera,
glad to hear from you again! I am sorry you’re going through these bitter arguments with your mother, and that you are forced to stay at your parent’s place for an entire month. I’ll try to give you my perspective on what is going on and how you might be able to get out of it…
Growing up, my mom was my idol, and my best friend.
I always had pressure to be this āperfectā daughter and overtime I beat myself over it if I do not live to those certain standards.
most my childhood my decisions were based around their prefereces. The older I have got and tried to make boundaries, the more resistance they (mom especially) became.
So, as a child you loved your mother a lot, she was your idol and you wanted to please her. You did everything in your power to make her happy. Perhaps that was the time when your parents fought a lot, and since you mentioned domestic abuse ā does it mean your father was hitting your mother? Perhaps you saw your mother as a victim and this made you even more willing to please her and not to upset her?
When you got a little older, in your teens, and tried to assert your own will, your mother would get very angry with you. She would swear and yell at you. It didn’t help if you asked her to talk more calmly and not use swear words. The way you described her reaction, it seems like rage. Each time you bring up the slightest disagreement or critique of her, she gets enraged. And then afterwards she gives you silent treatment.
That too is emotional manipulation – she practically shuts you down and you are “disarmed”, probably feeling guilty that you have “upset” your mother so much. The problem, the way I see it, is that with your overt or covert critique, you are trying to make her see how unfair she was during your childhood, how she was manipulating you, controlling you, and eventually emotionally manipulated you into staying at home instead of going to the university. You are always bringing up the same topic with her ā comparing yourself and your sister ā because you want her to finally admit that she wronged you. And you are still angry with her.
You have all the reasons to feel angry and wronged ā because indeed, you were, no doubt. Where you are making a mistake is to hope that she will admit that she wronged you. I think it’s safe to say that you’ll never hear that from your mother. She doesn’t seem to have the capacity to hear the slightest critique. She immediately goes on the offensive, going into a fit of rage, or giving you silent treatment. It’s a way to shut you up.
The only healthy and constructive way to process your anger (which is justified, mind you!) is in therapy. Once you process it, you won’t need a “confession” from her, and you’ll be able to let her off the hook ā i.e. minimize contact. You won’t need to visit once or twice per week, but you’ll be fine with meeting your sister elsewhere, e.g. at your place, once it’s finished.
So the key, in my opinion, is to stop expecting anything from your mother, and process your anger and hurt in therapy. How does that sound to you?
Tee
ParticipantDear W,
You are very welcome. You’ve said some very important things, which suggest that you have been hurt in relationships, and you are afraid not to be hurt again:
The loneliest times in my life are when I am in a relationship
My last relationship was about 17 years ago about 20 years ago a very important relationship that meant a lot to me ended.
In my life I donāt want to feel loss anymore
Since you feel most lonely while in a relationship, no wonder you’re hesitating to enter one.
Very often, our romantic relationships are the mirror of the relationship we had as children with our parents or care-takers. We might feel very similar emotions, e.g. that of feeling lonely, that we felt while growing up. If you felt lonely while growing up, it is very likely that you would feel similarly as an adult ā because the wound of feeling lonely and not being given enough care and attention is still in you.
You would like your partner to be “just yours” (I donāt feel like she would just be mine). This is how we feel as children: we want our mother (or care-taker) to be just ours. If she isn’t present, or she is present but absent-minded, or giving attention to someone or something else ā we feel angry and hurt.
The fact that your girlfriend has a social life outside of spending time with you, made you very upset. I am not saying you should be happy if she is someone who goes to bars frequently and gets drunk often (does she?). But it seems that a bigger problem here is your fear of having to “share” her with other people – that she is spending time and giving attention to people other than you. Which would be a reaction to a childhood wound.
Does this sound like a plausible explanation to you?
Tee
ParticipantDear W,
I think your feelings (of being hurt and foolish) show that you aren’t clear what exactly you want from this woman. On one hand, you rejected her advances multiple times: first time 3 years ago, and then again 1 year ago, when you two started working together. You said you weren’t ready for a relationship. In spite of that, you spend a lot of time together and your colleagues suspect you two are dating. But in fact, nothing physical ever happened.
We keep getting closer… Itās kind of a weird relationship where we have discussed if we would date other people and we each have stated that neither one of us is looking for anyone else.
It seems to me that she is as close to you as you let her. She would like to get even closer, but it is you who is hesitating, aren’t you? She said she doesn’t want to date anyone else, that your friendship is the most important thing in her life, besides her children, and that she cherishes every moment you spend together. All this tells me that she is very much into you, and is probably waiting for you to change your mind, i.e. to finally accept her as a romantic partner. Until then, she seems satisfied with being your friend and spending a lot of time together.
But as Helcat said, since you aren’t dating, she has the freedom to go out and do what she pleases. Maybe that evening when she got drunk, she was actually drowning her sorrow in alcohol, because you don’t want to be with her?? OK, I am saying this half-jokingly, but who knows…. specially since later she was embarrassed about it and didn’t want you to find out.
Anyway, she got out with some male colleagues and it upset you very much. You feel “hurt and foolish”. In what way do you believe she hurt you? I think it would be important to get to the bottom of this, to clarify what you really feel for her.
Tee
ParticipantDear aVoid,
I feel so lost and alone. I donāt know where to start. Itās like some supernatural power such as a dark cloud is hanging about my head.
I know the feeling. I first started feeling it consciously in my teenage years. It continued into my adolescence and beyond – the cloud was always there. No matter how perfect the outer circumstances where, even when I was loved and cared for by my then boyfriend, I could never be happy because of that cloud.
Later I’ve realized that the cloud ā which was the relentless, ever-present sadness ā wasn’t above my head, but it was deep within me, in my heart, in my soul. I was sad because I felt unloved. And not only unloved, but unlovable. There was an emptiness, a longing in my heart, which no amount of outer love and care could fill (and no amount of food either ā I was suffering from an eating disorder).
This happens if we haven’t received enough love, care and appreciation as children. I certainly haven’t, I was criticized a lot and was never good enough for my mother. She wasn’t absent like your mother was, but her presence was toxic. My father was much more benign, but allowed my mother to spill her toxicity on me. He didn’t protect me.
You worry that “the monsters Iāve been fighting my whole life are who Iāve now become“.
I can relate, because I believed I was a freak. A monster. I thought I was a freak because of my addiction, but much later I’ve realized that I believed I was a freak because my mother told me so. Because she only saw bad in me, she never praised me but only scolded me. That’s how I became a freak, a pathetic loser undeserving of love ā in my own eyes.
Our childhood defines us. It shapes how we see ourselves later in life.
You had a very rough childhood, aVoid, with very little love and care. And the image you’ve adopted about yourself is that of a loser, a monster, a nobody. But that image is false. It’s the reaction to the lack of love and the abuse that you’ve experienced. Because the child always blames themselves if they are treated poorly.Ā The child never blames the parents.
But all I want is to be a man. Is to have control over my life. I want to stop this. I want to quit smoking. I want to quit porn. I want to get out of the video games and come back to reality.Ā But how?
First, understand that there is a child part in you ā called the inner child. He is an innocent little boy, who believes that he is unworthy of love. The pain of this self-image, of this false belief, is so strong that you need to numb it with alcohol, porn, video games, and any other addiction. All of your addictions served one purpose: to numb this unbearable pain.
If you understand that this little boy needs love and appreciation, you can provide it to him. You can provide what you have never received from your parents. Once the little boy receives what he is longing for, the pain will diminish and you won’t have to numb it with addictions. It will all sort it self out, slowly but surely.
I do believe that therapy is very important, but I’d suggest you find someone who knows how to work the inner child and complex trauma (complex PTSD).
There is a way out, aVoid. You can make it, same as I did. You are not a terrible person. You are only wounded. Wounded people don’t need to be judged, they need compassion, so they can heal. Compassion is the first stepā¦
Let me know how this sounds to you…
Tee
ParticipantDear Stargazer17,
You say you are still struggling mentally. One of the questions that is bothering you is whether to tell your boyfriend about the incident or not. One thing I’ve noticed is that you’re not sure how he would react, and that you believe there might be some severe losses involved:
Do I tell my boyfriend I kissed someone and risk losing my 8 year relationship, house, dog, life?
I feel like I donāt deserve the support from him after what Iāve done to him. I really feel like Iāve ruined our perfect relationship. Iām scared if I tell him Iāll really ruin what we have.
I donāt think he would leave me, which is why I think I shouldnāt mention it. Because he will live with that pain.
So the potential losses are that he gets angry with you and leaves you, and you lose your “relationship, house, dog, life”. Another possibility ā according to your own predictions ā is that he might not leave you, but that he would be very hurt and “would live with that pain”. Which would also have a negative effect on your relationship, even if you stayed together.
In both of those scenarios ā assuming they have some probability – you wouldn’t gain anything by telling him. On the contrary, it might lead to great suffering, either for you or him, or for both of you.
And since you’re going through a difficult life situation, with your parents divorcing and you needing to take care of your younger sisters, it would just make you more stressed and fragile. That’s why I wouldn’t suggest confessing to him at this point, because it might be just too much for you.
Instead, what I see much more useful and pressing is to talk to your therapist by all means, to get it off your chest. Trust me, she won’t judge you, and you’ll be able to start the process of healing and developing more self-love and self-compassion, and stop blaming yourself so relentlessly.
Once you get emotionally stronger, you’ll be able to see your “transgression” more clearly and decide whether you want to tell your boyfriend or not. But I wouldn’t pressure myself to tell him right now – give yourself some time to work with the therapist to process and heal.
Tee
ParticipantDear Anonymouscat,
You said on another thread (“Emotional blackmail by Indian father against love marriage”) that you are in a similar situation like the original poster there. Here on your thread you said: “her parents won’t approve and she never gives me a timeline on when she willing to come over to me.”
Does it mean that her parents are against your relationship due to religious/cultural reasons, and they will never approve of it, no matter what? If so, and if she tends to abide by her parents’ will, then I am afraid you don’t have much prospects to be with her.
However, if there is a chance that their parents would change their mind, or that she would become more willing to stand up for herself and go against their will – then it makes sense to try and deepen the relationship. In that case, I think the first sensible step would be for you to visit her – not to expect her to visit you, because the latter will be much more difficult. If you visit her, you’ll both have the chance to see if you are compatible and decide on further steps.
Basically she would be giving up everything her family/frds to come be with me. Am I being selfish ?
If you expect her to visit you or to even move to your country without ever having met in person, and with her parents objecting ā that would be asking too much of her and putting her in a very difficult situation. So yes, that might be selfish. But if you travel to visit her (provided she agrees to it), you put the pressure off of her, and are doing what you can to take the relationship to the next level. That in my eyes would be the best next step, if it’s feasible to you.
Tee
ParticipantDear Stargazer17,
The transgression you’ve made – kissing a boy while under the influence of alcohol and drugs ā isn’t such an unforgivable mistake. It happens sometimes that we are attracted to someone other than our partner, which isn’t a sin ā it is allowed to feel attraction. The question is what we do with it. Your mistake was that you were drunk and as other posters said, it lowered your inhibitions, and you lost control over your impulses. If you hadn’t been drunk, it wouldn’t have happened.
Luckily, what happened was just a kiss and nothing more. You say that it actually cemented your commitment towards your boyfriend because you’ve realized that the grass isn’t greener on the other side. If that’s really true, then it actually served a purpose, it helped you see things more clearly. And since it didn’t harm anybody, you can file it as a very stupid thing ā equally stupid as getting drunk and high and losing control of yourself ā which you will make sure not to happen again.
However, if you aren’t able to see it as a stupid mistake which happened due to alcohol and drugs, and if you keep blaming and hating yourself, saying “I hate myself for this and I probably will forever” and “I really feel like Iāve ruined my life”, then there is more to unpack here.
Such a strong feeling of guilt and dread over a relatively minor transgression tells me that you are in the habit of feeling guilty, and as you’ve discussed it with anita and Helcat, it most probably has to do with your childhood. Maybe you were blamed a lot, or even if you weren’t openly blamed, you might have felt it was your responsibility if things in your family didn’t work out? So there might be a false belief somewhere working in you, telling you “I am to blame”, “It’s all my fault”.
You did mention that you weren’t close to your mother: “Iāve not got a close/good relationship with her and never have gone to her for help or advice”. The reason for this could be that she was judgmental and you often felt guilty for not meeting her expectations? You didn’t dare to confide in her because she would judge you? I am not claiming it was so, just mentioning it as a possibility.
You also said: She loves my boyfriend a lot so I think she would be really disappointed in me and almost think how could you.
There could be an expectation that you should stay with your boyfriend, even if there might be a part of you that is unsure about it.
If you have lived your life trying to please your mother (or both of your parents), being a “good girl”, then you might not even know what you really want. This might have led you to go out and explore your “wild side” in that kissing incident. If we suppress and control ourselves too much, we end up bursting at the seams sometimes, and doing inappropriate things.
OK, these are all speculations, I don’t know if any of this is true for you, but if it feels it resonates, we can talk some more.
Tee
ParticipantDear lk09,
How have you been? I hope you are fine, taking good care of yourself…
I keep thinking about you and your situation⦠trying to understand better. In my last post I was surprised that you weren’t hurt or angry, and that you’re feeling “normal” after what he did to you. But in the meanwhile I’ve realized that it could be because you have already experienced this kind of behavior from him, so it wasn’t such a shock for you.
In fact your second breakup, in April 2021, was very similar to this one – it happened after you’ve spent a week together in relative bliss. But soon thereafter he proclaimed that he still can’t make up his mind about marriage. This was similar, only you spent an entire month together, and he was initially very eager, professing his love for you ā perhaps even more eager than last year.
But since he had already betrayed you in a similar way before, I can imagine that you don’t feel so much anger this time. Rather, what you might be feeling is perhaps a mix of resignation, disappointment but also acceptance. Finally facing and accepting the reality that you need to let go of the dream that some day he will be yours. Maybe this is the feeling of “normal” that you were talking about? Accepting and making peace with reality, although it hurts. And that’s why you are crying at nightā¦
If I am sensing this correctly (and please correct me if I am wrong), what hurts you the most is exactly this acceptance of reality, of harsh and sad truth, that you won’t have a future with him. In all fairness, it’s actually for the best that you don’t marry him and suffer greatly being married to such an unstable and confused person. But for you, it’s the loss of a dream.
You say you feel at peace, and I believe you, but this “peace”, it seems to me, has elements of defeat and resignation in it, of accepting a less than optimal future for yourself. Because you’re now saying things like “I donāt think I should be choosing partners anymore. I donāt think I choose people well.” (July 20, 2022).Ā
But I don’t want you to accept a less than optimal future, a future where you settle for someone that your parents chose for you, a future where you’ve convinced yourself that you can’t choose a good partner for yourself. No! I care about you and I want the best possible future for you, in which you will choose someone you truly love and he loves you back! Someone who won’t be withholding his love from you, who won’t hesitate, who won’t be changing his mind all the time, whom you won’t have to chase for morsels of his love and attention. Someone who will give you his love freely, because he knows what mature, healthy love is.
Or, in your own words, someone who would “crave for me to hug him after a day of hard work, someone who would want to kiss me subtly good night⦔
I want you to find such a person and not settle for someone who is not the choice of your heart.
But! And here comes a big BUT ā you need to let go of the idea that Dandan is “The One” for you and wait for him until he makes up his mind (possibly forever). And second, even more important, you need to change something about the way you do relationships. And that is: you need to stop tolerating your partner’s negligence, ambivalence and lack of respect for you.
Maybe you have already realized it yourself, but I want to say it out loud anyway, because so far it was lacking in your relationships: You need to set boundaries of what is acceptable behavior and what isn’t, and how you would like to be treated, so that your partner cannot say or do hurtful things without any consequences.
For example, Dandan told you he got hooked on porn during covid, but he wasn’t really willing to do anything to stop it. Similarly with his drinking habit ā he didn’t want to stop. You tolerated it and had understanding for him, instead of saying “I don’t want to be with someone suffering from addictions, which are ruining our relationship, while he refuses to do anything to stop it. I don’t want to be with someone who doesn’t care about me enough to seek help for his addictions. I don’t want to be with someone who doesn’t care that he is hurting me with his addictions.”
Or even in smaller things, like keeping in touch every day, you tolerated that he would go silent for multiple days. Last time it happened, you timidly pinged him, asking “don’t you miss me?” And he said, no I don’t. He said there was nothing going on, that’s why he wasn’t texting you. You accepted that too ā you accepted his negligence, coldness and lack of care for you, instead of saying something like “Please, I would like to hear from you every day. Can we agree to chat every evening, unless something important comes up and either of us cannot make it?” Or something along those lines.
Dear lk09, please don’t think that I am judging you – that’s the last thing I’d want. I only want to help you see (if you haven’t seen it already) that this pattern of tolerance and endurance isn’t good for the relationship.
But I also know it wasn’t easy for you to be assertive, because of the history of bullying at the hands of your sister. We’ve talked about it already and can talk about it more, if you’d like⦠But what probably happened is that every time you expressed your preference or boundary around your sister, there was a retaliation. She attacked you and you needed to buckle down because your parents protected her, not you. And so you could never express your needs, desires and preferences freely. Everything had to be subordinate to her will. I think this is the pattern you carried over into your romantic relationships tooā¦
As a result, you stayed for too long in relationships where you and your needs weren’t respected. Come to think of it, neither your sister nor Dandan respected your needs, so they were similar in that sense. But the way they went about it was different.
Anyway, to sum up this loong post: if you want a healthy relationship, you need to be assertive. That includes expressing your needs and desires, your preferences, and your boundaries. You don’t need to tolerate and endure things that hurt you.
And one more thing, dear lk09: don’t lose faith in finding love, in your ability to find a good and loving partner for yourself. You can do it, trust me. You only need more assertiveness. And assertiveness can be learned – maybe with the help of therapy or coaching, but it’s definitely not out of your reach!
If you wish to talk, I am here… <3
August 3, 2022 at 12:52 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #404925Tee
ParticipantI made typos in 2 sentences of the previous post. Here is the edited version:
1) If T is like that, it could be a big problem, and as anita said, could have a profound impact on the way he raises his family.
2) See how he reacts to thatā¦
August 3, 2022 at 12:46 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #404924Tee
ParticipantDear Candice88,
I agree with anita that supporting Putin is quite an extreme position. Supporting the total ban of abortion is in my view also an extremist position. And the first thing that pops in my mind regarding extremist views is that people who hold them lack compassion for others (and on some level for themselves too). If T is like that, it could be a big problem, and as anita said, could have a profound impact the way he raises a family. I wonder if you’ve noticed instances in which he is lacking compassion and is very unforgiving towards people?
If the idea of living with him causes you “anguish and heart ache”,Ā as you said, don’t agree to it by any means. You can even tell him that his political/ideological views are extreme in your opinion, and that they don’t match your values. See how reacts to that…
At the same time, don’t rush to contact M, because I think you are idealizing those first few months of your relationship and forgetting the reality of what it was like to live with him. (I’ve read our previous communication and his behavior was quite appalling).
T is not the only man in the world who will be head over heels for you. He is simply the first relationship after the debacle with S and M. I think that since then you’ve learned a lot and have become stronger. So don’t settle for T just because you are afraid there won’t be anyone else.
August 2, 2022 at 2:17 pm in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #404912Tee
ParticipantDear Candice88,
What a pleasant surprise, I am happy to hear from you!
First of all, I am glad your surgery went well and that you have recovered completely. And that your situation has stabilized after the shock and stress that you went through with Mā¦
Your new boyfriend T seems a little bit of the opposite to M: he is more of a right-wing, macho guy, and he supports Putin. He is head over heals for you and wants to move in (or at least come to live closer to you), but you are reluctant and not emotionally ready yet.
You are bothered by 2 things. One is his quite different, maybe even diametrically opposing political views, and the other is that you aren’t that much in love with him ā you still love M, or at least the idea of M without addiction, cheating and lies.
I will try to give you my thoughts on both of these issues. I don’t have a definite answer though, just points to think about and consider…
Regarding political views, I think that diametrically opposing political views on subjects that are important to you, and that are important globally⦠well, I don’t think that it’s fortunate. I think it can be quite a big obstacle in the relationship. It’s like you have some core values and principles that are important to you, and he has different values⦠it can be a problem.
It’s also true that you are on the same page about other important topics, such as family and raising children. Perhaps you also have other common values, such as honesty, trustworthiness, no substance abuse, no cheating and manipulating⦠ You said: He is a hard worker, creative, intelligent, and takes life very seriously.
So I guess he has a steady job, works hard, and isn’t into drug abuse or anything like that. He is solid, it seems.
I believe what makes you less keen on him, besides his political views, is the fact that he is very interested in being with you, which is something you are not used to (He is head over heels for me, and I love him butā¦not in the way he loves me. I am not used to this dynamic. Usually Iām the one who is glued to the other person.) The wounded child in us wants someone who reminds us of our parent⦠T doesn’t remind you of your mother, so he isn’t that attractive. M on the other hand gave you the experience of always chasing love, and never getting it. It was the same dynamics like with your mother. This is probably why you still feel in love with M…
Iāve realized Iām still in love with the non addict M.
Except you never met the non addict M, because he was lying to you all the time. The guy you felt amazing with in the first few months, he is most probably fake ā a persona he wanted you to see, but not the real him. Probably even he himself doesn’t know his true self, since he has been addicted since the age of 17.
He sent me a couple messages this past spring to say he still loves me and has a stable job now, and is working on his sobriety. Mutual friends have confirmed this.
He is known for lying⦠I wouldn’t be so sure about this. In fact, he might be “working” on his sobriety, but without much success, or real willingness either.
Mutual friends have told me that M is sober (for now), working hard, and asking about me and saying he is still hoping that one day Iāll take him back.
Well, my view is that unless M goes to therapy and resolves his issues with his mother ā he won’t be able to maintain a healthy relationship. Even if he is sober. In fact, if he doesn’t go to therapy and resolves his childhood issues, there is very little chance that he can stay sober on the long-run. So I’d be interested how exactly is he working on his sobriety and what steps has he taken. But I don’t recommend reaching out to him⦠not at this point in any case, when you are still confused.
If I were you, I’d look deeper into why you can’t love T ā is it really just because of his political views, or it’s that he is too available, and therefore unattractive to you?
Tee
ParticipantDear lk09,
You haven’t responded to my last post, so I don’t know if you’ve read it and how you feel about it. And whether you agree that Dandan was actually hurting you with his behavior and that you have been tolerating it for a long while. I have read our previous communication and this is what you said about him last year in June:
I donāt consider him as someone who hurt me so I bear no negative feelings for him.
Now, you also said that his recent behavior didn’t hurt you because you are used to it (I am so used to his behaviour now that I donāt feel hurt). The things you weren’t hurt about are: him going back to being distant and unresponsive as soon as he left your place, after 1 month of intense love affair and him asking you to marry him. Him telling you he wasn’t missing you while he was away. Him telling you that he is unsure about you again because you are too emotionally demanding and all over him, kissing him and hugging him, and having sex too eagerly. And him telling you that he was making out with some girl at a party.
The only thing that hurt you ā that you admitted that hurt you ā is that he told you he wasn’t attracted to you. That’s what “broke your heart.” But even about that, you said you don’t feel sad, you feel normal (I donāt feel sad about it as well. I feel normal.)
I must say it’s not normal to not feel hurt by his behavior, to not feel angry, to not feel terribly upset, to the point of not wanting to have anything to do with this person any more. That would be a normal human reaction to being treated like you were treated.
The only reason that you would take it so calmly and peacefully is that your natural, spontaneous anger is suppressed. And I have an idea why this might be: because of your sister and the dynamic between the two of you while growing up.
This is what you said about your sister last April:
My sister ⦠never let me do anything I liked, When I used to dance-she would make fun of my dancing, English was my second language and so I had difficulty in the beginning so it was a laughing topic if I would write she would make fun of that, how I walk, what I wear, how I tie my hair, and yet complained that I always had the best of stuff, got more pocket money, anything that I used to have- she would take it anyhow but wearing it repeatedly and not washing it till I stopped asking for it. And it was all fun and games to her till I would talk back or ask for stuff. As a kid, she used to hit me for even taking her pencil while doing my homework if I lost mine. I have to remind you here that I am 5 years younger and so, I was already getting hand-me-downs and the stationary used to be with her so that it is SAFE. it was so safe that I never got to touch any of it till I was in 9th grade and she left for college.
My sister had come to visit me when I was in college 2nd year, I had asked my mum to not let her stay at my hostel but mum was like she is only staying there for a day, she had a train the next day. She had an argument with me because I was searching for something while she was speaking to me. Then she tried paying me for her stay, Which she did by throwing the money in my face, I lost my temper, I took the money and thrust it in her palms. She got angry seeing me reacting back so in front of my hostel girls, she kicked me first and then while I was on the floor thrashed me on my head 2-3 times then went inside my room. I was humiliated but I got up and went inside as well. She had a train in 2 hours and the railway station was a little far so I fixed my hair and Wiped my tears. Took her luggage and said come I will drop you off at the station, you might get lost on your own. She was like obviously this is your duty. I dropped her off, sent her off with food and magazines for the way. And came back. Not just that night but for the next few days, everyone kept talking about the incident and looked at me with pity as if I was an injured animal. And this is just one example.
Your sister was a terrible bully, and you had to take her bullying and terrorizing without saying a word. You had to, not because you wanted to, but because 1) she was bigger and would hit you, and more importantly 2) she had the protection and blessing of your family, so she could do whatever she wanted and you needed to tolerate it without protesting:
Everyone used to get angry with me if I lost my temper whenever she provoked because according to them, it is her nature and you have to be the understanding one and not fight. And like a fool, I believed that yes it was my fault that our fights occurred because I lost my temper.
Your family would get angry with you if you tried to defend yourself from her bullying. So you learned that there is no point in getting angry, or showing that you are angry. It’s better to just take the abuse without saying anything.
Even after she hit you while she was visiting you in college, and trashed your head while you were lying on the floor ā you proceeded to behave politely with her and took her to the train station. She never apologized, she expected nothing less than silence and obedience from you (She was like obviously this is your duty.)
The next few days, everyone kept talking about the incident ā because indeed it was something outrageous and disturbing. And everyone was pitying you because indeed, you deserved sympathy and empathy, faced with such bullying and humiliation. But you, you took it peacefully, calmly, gracefully, you carried her luggage and gave her food and magazines for the journey. You were the second year of college and you’ve obviously learned to suppress your anger by then, and it seems you were quite good at it. And this pattern continued, as it seems to me, into your romantic relationships tooā¦.
Healthy anger is necessary to set boundaries and defend ourselves from abuse. In we lack it, i.e. if it is suppressed, we will tolerate abuse and humiliation much longer than we are supposed to…
Tee
ParticipantDear aphroitte1,
I am sorry you are feeling upset again, now because of the friend-lover who decided to break up the secret relationship with you. It seems you are both angry and anxious about it ā angry because of his hurtful behavior, where he disrespects you (keeping your relationship secret, mocking you in front of others, making comments on other girls in front of you, telling you that you are a crybaby when you demand to be respectedā¦). You say “I want to be angry, JUST ANGRY, so I can move on from him and build my self-respect and deserve because he and my ex turned out to behave the same way.”
You would like to be just angry (and nothing else) so that you can move away and CUT TIES with him once and for all. So you can be emotionally free and independent, free from the moods of these selfish men who disrespect you, blame you and mock you.
But you cannot be just angry and you cannot cut ties with them because of several reasons. One is your abandonment anxiety: you are afraid to be left alone, that’s why you’d rather stay in a lousy, abusive relationship than be alone. You talked about it before (and anita mentioned it above):
[November 2021] I have very serious codependency/emotional attachment issues. I believe so, because when my other ex texted me I didnāt feel bad or hurt by the conversation with āmy friendā. I was able to be rude and not to care, because I now have attention of someone else. Iāve noticed this problem when my ex stopped texting today. … I donāt know what is the reason but Iāve started feeling anxious, stressed again. I am scared and I donāt like to be like this. Attached to people. I want to be okay to accept and let people go and not to feel this level of anxiety. I really want to be independent.
Another reason is the guilt that you feel for having legitimate needs. These men blame you for wanting to be loved, cared for and treated with respect. They tell you you are a crybaby and too demanding. They want you to accept their lousy behavior without complaining or demanding anything. And you end up questioning yourself and taking on the blame: āI want to know why I feel guilty. Why I feel like I am always the one to blame. Like I am always the bad one. ⦠I donāt know if I am the asshole that I am always complaining and being a cry-baby. ⦠I am afraid that something is wrong with me.ā
You end up believing them and blaming yourself, just like you believed your father when he blamed you for his unhappiness. You are trying to understand these men’s lousy behavior and how you might have caused it, how you are guilty for it. Right now, you are overthinking about the reasons your friend-lover decided to break up with you, and you aren’t sure if it’s because you did something wrong: I know to be an overreactive and overthinker, currently, I am thinking of million scenarios in my head about why he is like this, and itās killing me. ⦠I just canāt stop obsessing with him and his bad behavior. At this point I feel like itās not because of the friendās code to not go with the friendās exes, but because he doesnāt want to even though he is saying that I am the woman he loved the most.
My thoughts at this point: There are two parts in you ā one is angry and furious, and demands respect. Another part (your inner child, the little girl in you) is scared and panicking that the man will leave (abandonment anxiety), and is trying to figure out what she did wrong and how she can improve, so the man in your life wouldn’t leave. This part (the little girl in you) also feels guilty for driving the man away. So there is a mix of strong emotions in you: 1) ANGER AND FURY for being disrespected, 2) FEAR of being abandoned, and 3) GUILT for being too demanding and the false belief that “something is wrong with me”.
What to do? First, stop blaming yourself. Your needs for love, care and respect in a relationship are legitimate. But you are expecting those needs to be met by men unable to give you what you need ā by selfish and egocentric men. You are attracted to this type of men because they remind you of your father.
The dynamic is your relationships is that you are trying to extract love and respect from these men, who refuse to give it to you, and then you get into endless fights. You blame them for not giving you what you want (and your claims are mostly justified because these men behave selfishly and even despicably). And then they blame you (which is mostly unjustified, telling you you are a crybaby if you demand a minimum level of respect and decency). This fighting goes on forever, or until the man decides to break it off, like your friend-lover recently did.
The problem is that you aren’t able to break it off because of your abandonment anxiety. You’d rather stay in a bad relationship, engage in endless fights and suffer humiliation than say “enough is enough, I am out of here.” Even if you break it off for a while, you go back to the man who humiliates you, because you hope that he will finally give you the love and appreciation that you desperately need.
My advice is to stop blaming yourself for having legitimate needs for love, care and appreciation/respect. But also realize that you will never have those needs met by men you are currently attracted to. In order to get out of the vicious cycle, you would need to have those needs met elsewhere ā and a very good way is therapy. With the help of a good therapist, you, the adult aphroitte, can give the love and appreciation to your inner child – the little aphroitte. You shouldn’t rely on men to feed your hungry inner child. You, with the help of a therapist, should feed and nurture that child yourself. That’s how you will heal your abandonment anxiety and will be able to leave bad, humiliating relationships once and for all.
Let me know what you think of this strategy ā to stop demanding the impossible from these selfish men and start nurturing your own inner child?
Tee
ParticipantDear lk09,
I apologize for the long silence ā I’ve only just returned from holidays and finally have more time to sit down and gather my thoughts š
First, I am happy to hear that you’ve been taking care of yourself well, eating healthy, exercising, cooking healthy meals for yourself, and in general feeling better about yourself. Self-care is a form of self-love, and I am very glad that you’ve been practicing self-love⦠I am also happy to hear that you have more clarity about what you want in a relationship:
I have no expectations from anyone. Now I know what I need to do. I want a family and a extremely loving partner⦠Someone who would crave for me to hug him after a day of hard work, someone who would want to kiss me subtly good nightā¦Ā I want him to be grateful that I am a part of his life. Why? Because I know what sort of a woman I am and what I bring to a relationship. And love and care should be responded with love and care.
I agree. The above are in fact your expectations, and it’s okay to have them. So scratch that first sentence “I have no expectations from anyone” š Because you should have expectations from a person you share your life with.
Now about your relationship with Dandan:
I meant stable for the current situation that was ever since we mended things. All the things that concerned us, we had made a list and had actively worked on those and we were honest with each other in terms of telling exactly how we felt⦠Even if there was fear or nervousness. We conveyed that.
It’s good that you were honest with each other and made a list of things you wanted to work on. It means a part of him wanted to make the relationship work. However, he didn’t want to work on his addiction and the causes behind his addiction, which have to do with his childhood. Without that, your relationship didn’t really stand a chance, because he didn’t heal the core emotional wounds which prevent him from having a healthy relationship with you (or anyone else, for that matter).
Worst, he wasn’t even interested in healing it ā as you say, he continued to reject seeing a professional. This shows he doesn’t really want to change, even though he claims he does. And you need to realize that without his willingness to seek professional help (which is equivalent to admitting the extent of his problem and his willingness to change), there is nothing you can do to help him, and that talking to him and lending him your ear won’t do any good. I am mentioning this because of the following you said to him:
maybe we can talk about it (not getting back together but we can talkā¦the only thing that kept pulling me back to you was our immense comfort and friendship so I owe you my ears because of that). Or maybe not. Let the time tell.
You can try to “save” him again, going for another cycle, but if he isn’t willing to seek professional help, you’ll end up disappointed again. Even if you start out not wanting to get back together, sooner or later you’ll want more than friendship, and will end up hurt again. Please take that into consideration if he asks you to start talking to him again. My advice is to stop being his therapist and ask him to find a real one, and in this way show that he really wants to change!
Yes, you two were very close, you were super honest with each other and he was comfortable telling you anything. That’s why you feel “immense comfort and friendship”. But the problem is that in his honesty and his comfort telling you everything, he was also hurting you: he told you hurtful things, such as that he was making out with another girl, that he was watching porn and that he didn’t find you attractive. He also told you he didn’t miss you when he was away from you. Yes, you can value his honesty but you need to protect yourself from getting hurt like that.
You said you got used to such behavior (I am so used to his behaviour now that I donāt feel hurt). And that’s where the problem is, because you SHOULD feel hurt by such behavior! He begged you to marry him and told you you were the love of his life ā only to leave you stranded 3 months later, telling you he doesn’t feel attracted to you because you’ve slept with him!
You are used to such behavior ā used to getting hurt by him – but you shouldn’t be. You don’t need to expose yourself to hurt, even if it’s by someone who themselves is hurt and wounded. You need to protect yourself from people who hurt you, even though they are wounded and you have great empathy for them.
You have allowed yourself to be hurt in this relationship for a long time. You found excuses for him. You made yourself believe that you are not really hurt, whereas the truth is that you are crying at night, because indeed, his behavior is immensely hurtful. You have been fooling yourself that it doesn’t affect you that much, that you are strong⦠But you don’t need to be strong and KEEP TAKING THE ABUSE. Strength is about PROTECTING YOURSELF FROM ABUSE, setting boundaries so that you don’t get unnecessarily hurt.
So next time he reaches out, wanting to “talk honestly”, or even wanting to renew the relationship, tell him to go see a therapist first, because that’s what he needs. A therapist won’t be hurt by his confessions, whereas you will. You don’t need to expose yourself to that. He has hurt you enough already. Please be strong and protect yourself from another round of being punched in the face!
There is more I want to say, dear lk09, but I want to send this first. Please let me know what you thinkā¦
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