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October 29, 2021 at 1:39 am in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #387908TeeParticipant
Dear Candice88,
how have you been? Last time we spoke you were pretty shattered – how are you holding up now? I would love to hear from you…
TeeParticipantDear OrangeHeart,
the possible reasons anita mentioned are all valid in my opinion, they could be why you are rejecting your boyfriend’s touch. Perhaps reason No4 is the most active at the moment, since you say you don’t feel emotionally close to your boyfriend:
I feel like we are doing a bit better, but its hard, it seems good during the week and then things seem to fall apart at the weekends! But i had a big chat with him last weekend about how i feel and we seem to be more on the same page now.
I haven’t been feeling very close to him emotionally for quite a while, but also i dont even know how to open up again. As much as i want to make it work I just feel like im being very closed off to him and i dont know how to stop.
There is probably a reason why you don’t feel close to him emotionally, even though you say you’re doing a bit better and are “more on the same page”. Has his behavior changed in any way? Is he still giving you silent treatments? If you want something, do you dare to express it, or you just accept whatever he wants, so that he wouldn’t get upset?
It also could be due to past trauma i feel like that kind of fits with the panicky reaction, its like fight or flight
Are you referring to a particular traumatic situation, which is triggered when your boyfriend touches you?
TeeParticipantDear Annie,
you are welcome, and please do check out that video, because it’s pertinent to what you are experiencing: a possibility of burnout:
Yes, there is definitely a lot I need to heal from and work on. Recently, it’s been hard to juggle everything since I’ve been doing 3 other internships and helping clients with tasks that I barely have the time and focus on working on myself. I have been feeling slightly burnt out as I feel I’m taking on more than I think I can handle. But this is because I’m trying to gain more skills so I can find work that pays better and I shouldn’t waste time.
You’ve already complained about it – that you tend to overwork yourself, accept more than you can handle, be it dealing with your parents’ requirements, or now, with your 3 internships plus a job. Taking on more than you can handle is a problem of boundaries, because you’re unable to say No. And also, it’s a sign of not taking care of yourself enough, and self-care is crucial for any kind of healing.
So please, consider reducing your workload, perhaps even dropping one of your 3 internships, so you can have a better balance and a better chance for getting on the path of healing. Think about it: if you are more emotionally healthy, you’ll be able to get a better paying job where you’ll be better appreciated and respected. So ensuring enough self-care is crucial even for your professional goals.
I am sorry about your boyfriend not being interested in a committed relationship. Beginning of this year, he said he missed your touch and hugs. A while later, he said “he’s okay with hanging out and having fun, but doesn’t want to date.” And he told you that you should meet other people if possible. So he clearly isn’t interested in being with you… although him saying he misses your hugs might mean he is interested in a “friends with benefits” arrangement? Or this is not what he is aiming at?
Anyhow, it seems that while you were dating, you were in a rather common dynamic of you being the anxious one in the relationship, and he being avoidant. Your relationship was on and off because he wanted to break up but then he’d get back to you and you’d rekindle the relationship. You were anxious and worried that he’d leave you, and you often complained that he’s not as caring to you as his friend was to his girlfriend. You also felt that his friends are more important to him than you are.
You were reacting from your wound of rejection (having felt rejected by your own family), and projecting that on him. I don’t know his character and whether he was indeed negligent and not very caring with you, but he probably didn’t like your accusations, and this made him withdraw from you. But then he’d start missing you after a while, and the cycle repeated several times, until you put an end on it, because you couldn’t bear another rejection of his.
Last December, 1-2 years after your breakup, he initiated a meeting, to possibly rekindle the relationship once again (?). But it never happened due to covid and his father’s illness. When you finally met in person a few weeks ago, after 10 months of not seeing each other, you never got to talk about your relationship and feelings (although you admitted to him earlier that you still have feelings for him). Instead, you talked about everything else, and then he had to leave. You now feel “rejected and so hurt”. You were hoping that he might be feeling something for you after all, but now it seems that he’s moved on and it’s hard for you to accept it.
The way I see it, I think that he indeed has moved on, or if hasn’t moved on entirely, he doesn’t want to be in a relationship with you while you are still reacting from your wound of rejection. Maybe it’s hard for him to be without you, because he misses some aspects of your relationship, but also it’s hard for him to stay with you because you tend to accuse him of not giving you enough. If you react from a wound, no amount of his love and attention will ever be enough. And that’s exhausting.
If you want a healthy relationship, either with him or with anybody else, you’d need to heal that wound. Work on your inner child. Get in touch with the little girl inside of you, who felt rejected, and give her love and appreciation. Tell her she is special and unique. Give her that what you expect from your parents, your boyfriend and everybody else. That’s the quickest way I know of healing that wound and being free…
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
I am really glad for you! You are following your heart’s desire and not succumbing to the selfish wishes of some of your family members. Also, you aren’t looking for validation from your family, specially if they treat you poorly. You are defending yourself and your inner child from emotional abuse, and aren’t allowing to be hurt by people who have no empathy for you, even if they are family. That’s a big break-through, I am so happy for you!
Please keep us posted – looking forward to hear more from you!
TeeParticipantDear sossi,
I would just like to add that you have been harmed not just by your mother, but by your father as well, because he never supported you:
Meanwhile and unfortunately i have a father who is very weak and will not stand up to my mother. When any conflict arose he would take her side, no matter what. … He wont go against her wishes, its a very twisted relationship and impossible to change.
So I can imagine you felt completely helpless in your childhood – there was no one to protect you from your mother, no one to see your point and validate you, no one to empathize with you. It’s soul-crushing for a child. And you are carrying this helplessness up to this day, and it manifest in your workplace as well. You are being attacked and mistreated, and yet, you can’t seem to do anything to help yourself, to get out of the toxic environment or assert yourself. When you do try to assert yourself, no one really takes you seriously:
Asserting myself. Yes, i think i have said that ive tried, and yet, people just dont want to take it from me. they will from others. There is respect for them, but somehow ive never found the key to respect. no matter how obviously i worked well, how much praise i got from clients, how many hours i put in of extra time or how much money i made for the company…im still treated badly, talked down to at meetings, left out of decisions etc
No one takes you seriously, because a part of you doesn’t believe you have the right to assert yourself. Or perhaps you fear you would be rejected if you would really stand up for yourself. This all stems from your mother’s dismissive treatment, and then your father taking her side. You were helpless then, and you feel helpless now. Only the truth is that now, as a grown woman, you are not helpless any more. Rather, it’s your inner child telling you that you are.
I believe the first thing in your healing would be to realize that there is a wounded inner child in you, a little girl who suffered so much and were never seen or appreciated, and was bullied and manipulated…. and to have compassion for her. To understand that it wasn’t her fault, but it was her parents who treated her poorly.
Just try to give compassion to that little girl, who didn’t get proper love, appreciation and validation. And who is still struggling to get that from her parents and other people. But she actually needs to get it from you, the adult sossi. You need to give love, appreciation and validation to yourself – that’s the only way out.
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TeeParticipantDear sossi,
you are welcome.
But my parents had full control of us from a young age. All i know is that ive always had this terrible low self esteem when it comes to demanding my share or my right or something, i kind of crumble, i dont even have that will to stand up for myself and perhaps thats because i was never given that kind of confidence at home.
That’s a really good insight. If your mom only “validated” you when you did what she expected from you, and if in other instances she put you down, no wonder you had very low self-esteem.
I get to a point where i trust the person im with and then they throw a curve ball and i feel intensely betrayed.
Your mother might have done the same: she might have showered you with love and appreciation when you behaved like she wanted you to, when you did everything to her liking. But when not, she would quickly withdraw her love and put you down. This might have felt like a betrayal to you (and it was a betrayal).
Its perhaps understandable that i often feel much better alone, exhausted from trying to read people´s intentions. Are they being kind or are they being sarcastic?
Perhaps your mother’s “love” was not just conditional, but very unpredictable too, because you couldn’t figure out when she would approve of you, and when she would lash out and attack you? Perhaps you never knew her intentions?
Why do parties for instance leave me feeling really depressed..going over everything in my head.
You often don’t understand what happened in your relationship, because you are probably attracted to people similar to your mother, who are blowing hot and cold, first adoring you, then abusing you (there could be weeks of very sweet and loving behaviour, next, telling you that youre the worst at this or just complete rage out of nowhere and its over.). It feels confusing, like with your mother. And probably they blame you for it – just like she does.
Some would deduct that my problems are a result of some form of autism but it just never occurred to me that it could simply be the result of emotional bullying from a young age, blocking the enjoyment part.
Yes, it was emotional bullying from a young age. It wasn’t your fault, you’re not autistic, there is nothing wrong with you. Rather, your mother emotionally abused you and then blamed it on you.
You might be interested in youtube videos by Patrick Teahan, who is specialized in healing the narcissistic injury. There is a great video of his, titled “Narcissistic Mother – Role Play – 3 Versions” (posted on January 27, 2020). You can see how a narcissistic mother reacts when her child asks her for support in a difficult time. You might be able to recognize yourself in it! Please let me know if it resonates…
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
I’m glad that you’ve escaped it, cause i really know how it feels to be in a dark period. Is it at that moment you started learning to accept yourself and improving the self-esteem?
After a while I started seeing a therapist and working on myself, understanding my psychology etc… and this is what eventually helped me liberate myself from the eating disorder, heal my emotional wounds etc.
True, i also have thoughts about how many surgeries end up badly when i consider having it…. I guess i should just ditch that option…
Yes, I’d strongly suggest that too, because if such a procedure goes wrong, that’s one thing that you would really regret, and there’s no way to undo it…
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
So when you’re unhappy with ur full cheeks you didn’t do anything about it and just accept it?
No, I haven’t done anything surgical. But I started to starve myself and developed anorexia… which was a very dark period of my life. I had less chubby cheeks, but I looked like a skeleton… so I became less likeable and less pretty instead of prettier and more likeable, which I was originally hoping for.
As when i’m researching about chubby cheeks i saw most girls nowadays consult a beauty specialist to have their fat in their cheeks removed… and it really changed their jawline. Most of them are happy with the changes.
I don’t know much about it, but what I know is that there are many botched plastic surgeries, so I’d never take that route.
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
As for the braces, i’ve decided to consult a dentist in a few days…
Good, make sure you also ask him about your dilemmas and whether it will affect your eating, so you know what to expect.
As for teeth it’s easier to find a solution which is by wearing braces… but i cant change my facial structure…
No, you can’t, it would be the same like changing your height. You’d need to accept your facial structure…
Regarding my cheeks, i’m trying the loss cheeks fat exercise on youtube, i hope it works…
I also had full cheeks when I was your age, and was unhappy because of it. With aging, it tends to dry up, so now I wouldn’t mind some extra fat in my cheeks. Things change over time, and the way we look at them… What you now hate, you may love and miss some day… at least that’s how it was with me.
I’ll keep improving my self-esteem… and also thank you for all the advices u gave me… sometimes when i feel lost/confused i re-read it.
I am glad it helped you and you’re still finding it useful. When working on your self-esteem, please start from within, from the inner feeling. That will enable you to look at yourself differently, to accept yourself better, including your reflection in the mirror.
TeeParticipantDear Annie,
It’s been busy as I am currently working from home. But mentally and emotionally, I don’t feel okay.
I am sorry you don’t feel okay, but there is at least one positive thing: you have a job now. Last time we spoke, you were looking for one… Does it help you feel at least a bit more empowered at the moment?
Yes I know I can’t expect to get empathy and understanding from parents, and taking the personal development course, it makes sense why I get so triggered by their actions or lack of actions because of the many emotional core wounds I developed from my upbringing (which I am still learning about and trying to work on and I know will take many years to work on).
It’s good you are at least aware that you shouldn’t expect empathy and understanding from your parents, so you are open to looking for it elsewhere. Eventually the goal would be to give it to yourself – to have empathy for the little Annie who was treated differently than her younger sister, which made her feel rejected and unappreciated.
There is a really useful youtube video on reparenting, by Barbara Heffernan. Please check it out (look for Barbara Heffernan, title: Reparenting Yourself, posted on June 22, 2021). It gives a framework of how we can reparent ourselves, with or without the help of a therapist.
because of the many emotional core wounds I developed from my upbringing (which I am still learning about and trying to work on and I know will take many years to work on).
There is actually a limited number of core wounds that we can have, so it doesn’t have to be such a daunting task. Perhaps a part of the problem is that you believe there’s so much work ahead of you, so many issues that need healing, and this prevents you from even starting? But it doesn’t have to be so overwhelming. As you’ll see in the video, one of the first steps is to take better care of yourself (e.g. sleep, rest, and better boundaries with people), which you might be able to implement relatively easily.
Yesterday, I met up with my ex from 3 years ago since we’ve talked about meeting up but it kept being pushed back due to him being busy. After I came home from seeing him, I felt really sad and hurt. I didn’t think I’d cry after seeing him but I did end up doing so.
Would you like to share some more? How come you felt sad and hurt after meeting him? Were you hoping to rekindle the relationship and he wasn’t interested?
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
Right now i’m trying to improve my facial looks… may i share about it?
As i feel i have several facial features due to genetics that makes me unattractive.
You’ve already shared about one of your front teeth, which is bent backwards, which makes you feel unattractive:
One of my front teeth’s position is in backwards… so everytime i smile… in the picture it’ll look like i have a missing tooth. I’m a person who tends to complain.. i’m worried that if i get braces later on i’ll complain… because if i really use braces i think the dentist will sacrifice that one tooth (backwards position) to be able to place the braces…. So if i stop before finishing my braces completely… i’ll have a missing front tooth…. And i believe if i stop midway like that.. and i have a missing tooth.. it’ll cause myself a lot of anxiety later on…
Right there you’ve described your problem very well: you are a person who tends to complain and worry about things. You are unhappy with your tooth being bent backward, but you also worry that if you decide to wear braces, you’d be unhappy too. So you are “damned if you do and damned if you don’t”, as the saying goes. With your current mindset, there is unfortunately nothing I can tell you that can help you become more satisfied with your looks. You’ll worry about something regardless.
That’s why, Felix, I can’t help you while you are in your current mindset. You’d need to change the mindset, i.e. work on your low self-esteem, because that’s the only way to stop obsessing about your perceived “inadequacies”.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Ilyana,
thank you for the update, I am very happy for you!
I am not depressed anymore. I am fragile, and very often bewildered. But I experience moments of joy almost every day. I am living the way I want to live.
This sounds magnificent! Would you care to share some more about your process of getting to this point over the last 4 months? I am so happy you don’t feel depressed any more (or manic either), and that you’re getting to experience real, grounded joy almost every day.
It’s also good to hear that you are very close with your son and able to provide for his emotional needs. Way to go, Ilyana!
TeeParticipantDear d85,
In reply to the advice you gave TeaK, thank you for saying it sounded like I took good care of my father. That means a lot.
You are welcome. It does sound like it – you helped care for him, you also tried your best not to get covid and infect either of your parents – that shows you cared a lot.
You’re right, I do think very poorly of myself and have low self esteem. I’m not exactly sure what triggered it, but I guess during childhood there were some upsetting things that happened at home and with certain family members when I was growing up.
The way we were treated as children affects our self-esteem very strongly. If there were some painful and traumatic experiences, no wonder you’d end up feeling less-than and not deserving, or blaming yourself for things that weren’t your fault. If you’d like to share some more about your childhood experiences and the dynamic you grew up in, it might help us figure out what the key problem is and how to go about it.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Anna,
don’t worry about not answering right way – you are busy and have many things going on right now in your life. Congratulations on becoming the finalist in a scientific writing contest and that you’ll have 2 of your articles published, while still being a bachelor. Well done!
Thanks for sharing some more about your childhood and upbringing. It’s great that you have such a deep insight about your relationship with your mother. And also, that you’ve healed most of it and aren’t susceptible to her criticism any more. Her attitude to dating and relationships served you well, but it may be also a double-edged sword.
Namely, your mother was careful not to date until you are old enough, so you wouldn’t get a false idea about relationships, and probably also that you wouldn’t be hurt by people coming and going from your life. That’s admirable. Once she started dating, it seems she immediately found the right guy, because she started dating when you were 16 (10 years ago), and you say she’s been with your step-father for 10 years. So for her, I guess the first time was a charm?
I wonder if this gives you some sort of pressure to follow in her footsteps – to find a stable, long-term relationship right off the bat? She set a very high standard, and you don’t want to disappoint her by being less than perfect in your choice of partners?
when you truly love someone, you’re supposed to do whatever it takes to fix everything which could be fixed before throwing away, right? We can’t be at our ups all the time and if your feelings for the person are real and as strong as you say they are, then you will stay by your partner’s sides for the better and the worst.
This is true – we aren’t supposed to throw people away without first trying to work on our problems. But there needs to be some reciprocity. If we are constantly pushing for the relationship to continue, while the other person is not really showing too much enthusiasm, often checks out, wants to take breaks, and questions their ability to stay in the relationship – then it’s hard to really work on it. There has to be willingness on both sides. Perhaps you were pushing it and wanted to save it partially also because you wanted to meet that high standard your mother set? She was never pleased with anything you did, and maybe this was a way you still wanted to please her (without even being aware of it)?
Just one more observation: it appears your mother and your boyfriend’s mother are alike – both highly critical and control freaks. So perhaps you felt seen and understood by him because you shared a similar experience? You’ve managed to largely heal from it and assert yourself, and you were trying to help him do the same… only he wasn’t ready and it seems he won’t be ready for quite some time…
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TeeParticipantDear d85,
don’t worry about accidentally pressing the Report button – it happens sometimes, it’s no big deal. I won’t be in any trouble because of it.
Regarding the rest of your post, I’ll be away from the computer for a while, but will write more later.
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