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  • in reply to: Need some advice, as im so frustrated #385985
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    Dear Felix,

    Right now i’m trying to learn to draw digitally… at least to make me good at something… i dont care anymore if what i’m drawing is cartoons, at least it’s better than following someone’s life only not to get judged.

    It’s good you’re learning to draw digitally, if you have interest in it. By all means, do what interests you and makes you happy, not what someone else is doing.

    i hope i can do it… because if i can draw and also learned chinese language, i can unlock myself with 2 abilities.

    Is this the correct way of thinking? I need to be good at many things?

    Yes, it’s a good plan. You don’t need to be good at many things. And as I said, do it because you like it, you feel some inclination to it, not because others do it.

     

    It’s the saboteur, i hate it… it keeps giving me endless list of regrets that i made in the past.

    Most of my days are ups and down, sometimes the saboteur isnt there, but whenever i feel down it’ll appear and gain control of my head.

    Good that you are aware of it, but also be aware that it’s a voice that is not telling the truth. It’s motivated by your fear, it wants to keep you “safe” by not trying anything new, by keeping you stuck in endless thinking and obsessing that paralyzes you for any action. So be aware that the saboteur is not telling the truth. His “defense” is harming you.

    My parents told me that i shouldn’t have this kind of attitude, i always feel regret whenever i saw someone who’s the same calibre as me achieved better things… i’ll think “why didn’t i succeed like him, i know i can be better than him”,”how is he better than me now”.

    My parents said if i have this kind of mindset, i can crash midway… as i changed my opinion easily…

    They are right. They see how your regret and self-doubt is harming you. At least they aren’t judgmental. But they may use your self-doubt to “worry about you”, like they (specially your mother) worried in your childhood. In their childhood, they worried about your eating habits and your health, now they worry about your mindset. This can make it harder for you, because you see it as another reason to criticize yourself.

    So when you hear the saboteur’s voice again, try not to criticize it, try not to hate it (It’s the saboteur, i hate it). See it for what it is – a misguided defense mechanism. You can even tell him something like: “I know you are worried about me, like my parents were, and you don’t want me to make mistakes. I understand your motive. But I’ve learned some things about myself now, and I want to try new things because they will make me feel better. I am not afraid to try new things because only through trial and error can I grow. And I want to grow. I don’t want to stay stuck. So thank you for protecting me so far, but I’ve got it now. I can take it from now on. I am growing every day.”

    If you try this strategy with your saboteur, let me know how it went…

     

    in reply to: My husband and his family. #385983
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    Dear Lily Margarette,

    I spoke to him last night. He told me the family treat me the way they do because I won’t forgive them for the stuff they’ve done and I won’t apologise.

    Have they apologized first for the stuff they’ve done to you?

    He said his sisters don’t like me because I speak out to their father.

    And should you stay silent when someone openly humiliates you and treats you like you have leprosy, when someone on your wedding day tells you you are ugly?!

    His words were “how would you like an outsider coming along and having a go at your mum” …. an outsider…that’s how they see me. After 12 years of marriage and 18 years being together

    Yes, that’s quite something…  it means they never accepted you as part of the family. Probably they only accept those who suck up to them and tolerate their father’s bullying. And even more worrisome is that your husband sees you as an outsider too, those are his words, which means he agrees with his parents and sisters.

    Surly it’s up to the individual whom they do or do not forgive? I feel I’m being bullied into forgiving.

    Yes you are, you see it well.

    He said he gets why I feel the way I do and he has stuck up for me but he wants to get to the point where we are ok as a couple when it comes to family situations and gatherings. I told him I won’t ever stop him from seeing them, but I personally can’t have a relationship with them. So what does he do? He sets up a group WhatsApp with me, him and his mum. I don’t want to say anything to her.

    Unfortunately your husband is bullying you into forgiving them. He is forcing you into a relationship under their terms, a humiliating and degrading relationship, where you are not respected at all.

    His mum said that I’ve fractured the family. That there’s hurt on both sides, they’ve nearly finished my marriage with their actions, and there’s hurt on BOTH sides!

    I understand your frustration. The problem is that your husband is on their side, and is forcing you into a degrading relationship with them. It means that he wants to please them at all costs, disregarding your needs and your feelings.

    I feel like just throwing in the towel I’m so sick of the same argument go round and round.

    By throwing in the towel you mean you you want to give in to his requests? What are you planning to do?

     

    in reply to: My husband and his family. #385981
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    Dear Lily Margarette,

    you are very welcome. How do you feel about the suggestions I made? Do you think you can speak to your husband and demand those conditions to be met?

    in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #385954
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    Dear Candice88,

    He feels guilty about the way he acted when we were together, so maybe he gushed all of those emotions at me to make me crack and tell him it’s okay, that he’s clean in my books (which I didn’t do).

    Well, based on what you said about him in your latest post, perhaps he doesn’t even feel guilty for how he treated you back then, but was rather worried about his image, about your and other people’s opinion of him, and that’s why he now sold you the story that you mean to him much more than you actually do. I mention other people’s opinions too, because you said that he talked with a mutual friend and that she told him he messed up:

    A mutual friend confirmed that he regretted the break up months after it happened, and that she told him how he messed up.

    His ego couldn’t handle that people think badly of him. So he tried to change this. He told you how he regrets his actions not because he truly regrets them, but so that you would change your opinion of him. That you would see him in a better light. Which means he is a manipulator.

    And that is a good comment about him staying friends with his exes – his exes never had feelings for him, really. They were all one night stands or a week of sex with female friends as they took breaks from their boyfriends. And those all ended with the girls saying “that was fun, let’s go back to just friendship now, don’t take it personally”.

    Earlier you said he made you stay friends with his exes:

    Additionally, he is friends with all of his exes and has his current gf be friends with them, as he did to me when I was with him, even though he knows it makes her uncomfortable.

    Does it mean he made you be friends with his one-night stands and his friends with benefits? How did that function?

    I must say, the more I read about the guy, the less I like him. You are much better off that he isn’t reciprocating your feelings and doesn’t want you in his life. How are you feeling about it?

    Regarding M, him being in the car is definitely similar to a teenager avoiding their parents in their room. And just for more information, the computer to make his music isn’t in his garage, it’s in the living room. So he just goes out to his garage to do….things (previously meth). For hours. Then comes in to start his music hours after he said he would, usually after midnight, and spends the whole night at the computer. That clarification isn’t too important, but it does explain why the garage is a place of stress for me when he disappears there for such a long time.

    It is important, because I thought he was making music in his garage… but if he does it on the computer in the living room, then when he disappears to the garage, no wonder you freak out… Do you think he might be still using, when he disappears to his car or garage, or he is clean now?

    You have been so supportive, and offered me so much solid advice and comforting words.

    You are very welcome, Candice, I am glad it helped you.

    After M, I worry about the lasting effects. I worry that I will miss red flags, and withhold love for a new partner (very much not my style) in fear that a year down the road I will discover they have been lying either through denial/lack of self awareness or manipulation. The last 7 years of my life have been coloured by 3 men like this, 2 of which have drastically affected my life and mental health.

    I understand your trepidation. Perhaps if you could list those red flags, which you are aware of now, but weren’t at the time – it would help you get clarity on what to pay attention to. Now looking back, what were the behaviors that were fishy to you and you didn’t like about them, and it later turned out you were right because the guy was a liar or a manipulator?

     

    in reply to: My husband and his family. #385948
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    Dear Lily Margarette,

    you are welcome, I am glad you don’t feel like it’s all in your head any more.

    The thing I’m most worried about are the children. They don’t have a close bond with his family as they’ve never shown interest but I feel my husband is forcing a relationship on them. My two sons aren’t fond of their aunts as they’ve heard me being bad mouthed by them. One even read nasty text messages on my husband’s phone about me. This really upset my son.

    That’s enough of a reason to not allow your children to go visit, only to have to deal with their grandparents and aunts talk rubbish about their mother! If the children don’t want to go, your husband shouldn’t be forcing them. I mean, if he wants to bow his head and take their verbal abuse, well, he can go ahead, but he doesn’t have the right to force that on your children. I would put my foot down and refuse that he takes the children with him when he visits.

    If his parents and sisters want to see the children, they can indeed visit you, and you will allow it, out of the kindness of your heart. But in that scenario too, I would forbid any badmouthing you in front of your children. If they can’t help themselves and keep their mouths shut, they aren’t welcome.

    If I say to my husband he should go visit them alone he always wants to take the kids and they desperately don’t want to go and I just don’t trust them around my kids as I honestly think they’re toxic. So what do I do? I’ll be accused of being controlling and accused if keeping the kids away.

    The kids don’t want to go, and it’s not good for their mental health to be forced to listen to rubbish about their mother. Full stop. Your husband might accuse you of being controlling, but you are protecting the children.

    We have a religious family celebration for my son approaching soon and he wants to invite his parents and his sisters and none of them speak to me! He says its important to him they should be there and I’m not being supportive if I can’t do it. These people have ruined nearly every family event. His dad even told me I looked ugly on my wedding day for instance! I’ve literally been dealing with this for all these years and I’m so tired now.

    Since this is a special occasion, you can allow this visit, however under the condition that they don’t badmouth you in front of the children. They should treat you nicely and be polite and keep their filthy mouths shut. Your husband should tell them that in advance. If he isn’t willing to, or they end up ridiculing him and laughing at him, well, they aren’t welcome. And if your husband doesn’t agree with your terms, then unfortunately he isn’t respectful of you, and will always side with his parents. And it’s a sign for you to start thinking of separating himself from him.

     

    in reply to: How to work through avoidant attachment style? #385945
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    Dear Ashmitha,

    you are welcome.

    I am curious if either of you can tell what my attachment style is, from getting to know my deepest thoughts throughout the months. I have always thought I was avoidant since I can come off as emotionally distant and cold, but deep down I feel anxious too. I did a quiz once and got the disorganized attachment style. Curious to hear your thoughts.

    Could be. Disorganized attachment style is also called anxious-avoidant, and it’s pretty well described on attachmentproject . com:

    “Adults with a disorganized attachment style lack a coherent approach towards relationships. On the one hand, they want to belong. They want to love and be loved.

    While on the other hand, they are afraid to let anyone in. They have a strong fear that the people who are closest to them will hurt them.

    Adults with a disorganized attachment style fear intimacy and avoid proximity, similar to individuals with an avoidant attachment style. The main difference for disorganized adults is that they want relationships.”

    Do you recognize yourself in those traits? From what you’ve shared so far, you want to be in a relationship and couldn’t stay for long without one. When in a relationship, you are reluctant to open up and share what’s bothering you, you’re bottling up your feelings, and I believe it’s for fear of being abandoned. So you are at the same time seeking a relationship, but also fearing to be open and vulnerable in it, and express your needs.

    You have made some progress though in this last relationship – you did share your concerns and your needs. You showed your vulnerability. Which is great! Only the person you’ve expressed it to isn’t too responsive. He doesn’t behave like he wants a deeper bond with you. When you share your feelings, he pretends to be full of empathy and understanding, even sometimes “admitting” his mistake, but then he doesn’t act on it and nothing changes in his behavior. That’s why I believe he fakes empathy to get you to keep giving him what he wants. It seems to me that he doesn’t really want to connect with you on a deeper level, or open up about his own feelings and emotions.

    You said his father is an alcoholic (I know he has gone through his own hardships as another child of an alcoholic father who now has no relationship with his father.) Does he ever share about that? Does he ever share about his childhood and what he’s been through? Do you talk about those painful things that you have in common?

     

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    in reply to: My husband and his family. #385924
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    Dear Lily Margarette,

    you are very welcome.

    I spoke to him today and he feels by visiting them it’s sorted it out even though I’ve had no apology or heard anything from his parents.

    It’s sorted out for him – he feels stressed if he doesn’t smooth things out with his parents, so he apologizes, maybe even in your name, or says something like “oh, she didn’t mean it”, and that’s how he appeases them and maintains a courteous relationship with them. But it’s not sorted out for you, because you’re made to be the guilty party and they are innocent. So things are upside down. And your husband unfortunately is keeping things upside-down and contributes to this unfair situation.

    I told him I can’t have a relationship with his sisters and parents because I find the negativity they project is too much for my mental health.

    You’re right. You don’t need to have a relationship with someone who is so rude and disrespectful to you. You don’t need to go visit them and then get a humiliating treatment. You have the right to say No and respect your boundaries and as you said, your mental health.

    My father-in-law has always been rude, the way the whole family speaks to eachother at times is shocking but no one ever stands up to him, apart from me and other people who are outside of the family say this is his problem with me. I dare to speak up and to add insult to injury I’m a woman.

    So he is a bully (and a narcissist?) but no one dares to stand up to him, apart from you. That’s why you’re so “offensive” to him. Like, how dare she speak to me like that?! You have the guts to stand up to him, which your husband doesn’t. You are able to defend yourself alright, but your husband cannot defend himself, neither can he defend you.

    I’m a full-time housewife and don’t feel as if I could cope financially if I were to split up from my husband. … I think feeling dependant on him makes me feel trapped in a very unhappy situation.

    Is your husband respectful towards you otherwise and only shows weakness with his family? If so, perhaps you don’t need to separate from him. But you can tell him clearly that you won’t allow to be treated like that, and you refuse to keep contact with his parents and sisters, since they mistreat you and disrespect you. Your husband can go visit them alone. If your husband refuses that and guilt-trips you, then you can start thinking of separating because then he truly isn’t respecting you.

    How does this sound to you?

     

    in reply to: My husband and his family. #385916
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    Dear Lily Margarette,

    I’ve had no apology for the insult in front of my kids or the fact they ignored our wedding anniversary. Or for the fact that they’re just plain nasty. They’ve completely shut me out.

    They indeed are nasty. Even if they have some disagreements with you, the fact that they didn’t come to see their grandchildren although they were in the neighborhood and after not having seen them for a year tells a lot. Also, how rude of your father-in-law to refuse to sit next to you and then proclaim “because no one wants to sit next to her”, as if you had leprosy.

    I understand how it also pains you that your husband sort of agrees with you, but then secretly seeks apology from them – when it is them who should be apologizing! He doesn’t have the guts to stand up to them and tell them that they can’t treat his wife like that. He is weak, I think he is afraid of being rejected and judged by them.

    I think you should talk to him and tell him how disrespected you feel when he goes back to apologize to them instead of defending you. It shows lack of respect for you. He would need to take a stance in this matter. I understand that it’s hard for him, due to his childhood conditioning and probably lack of self-esteem, but still, you’re right to be upset about it.

    Otherwise, how are you with your self-esteem? Can you stand up for yourself (in other situations, not necessarily with your in-laws) or you feel frustrated about people not respecting you enough?

     

    in reply to: My ex and I still love each other, but can’t be together #385914
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    Dear Candice88,

    I absolutely want him to pursue his passion of music, and I don’t want to get I’m the way of that. But if I didn’t say anything, he would make music 11pm-7am, then either pass out or get to work late for some other reason, come home late because of that, repeat. He has lost many jobs with these habits, and since he’s lied so much about his drug abuse it’s hard to tell what is healthy music making and what is meth induced obsession.

    I see… so he has a day job, and making music is his passion, which he does in his spare time. In that case, I see how him spending nights in the garage, “making music”, can be harmful to both his livelihood, his health, as well as your relationship.

    We made a compromise last year that he would tell me ahead of time “hey, this is a music night so don’t expect me to be present”. I said I’d love half of the nights each week to share a bed with him. He has YET to use that system we agreed to, instead telling me he’s coming then never come.

    Yes, that would make sense: 1) to organize his day so he can create music and yet not stay up the whole night, and 2) if he absolutely needs to stay up late, to limit it to one or two nights a week, e.g. Friday and Saturday night, when he doesn’t have to go to work. If he absolutely refuses to stick to any kind of agreement, and just does as he pleases (and causes harm to both of you in the process), it’s not a relationship because he totally disregards you.

    In his car he is on his phone, smoking his cigarettes while texting people and watching videos.

    He wants to stay away from your “criticism”, I guess. It’s like a teenage boy hiding in his room from his mother… Well, I think you stayed long enough with him, trying to work out a compromise, trying to be patient and understanding… but nothing worked. If you want good for yourself, you’ll stop trying and simply wait till October 1 to move out, and never look back…  A big lesson learned, hopefully not to be repeated…

     

    As for S, I think this is very true about him:

    It makes me feel like a major part of him didn’t change. He did this same thing when he had cheated…messing with my emotions and then blaming me for feeling the after effects, when in reality he couldn’t grapple with or accept his own guilt.

    Yes. He for some reason was super kind and loving to you when you met, he “admitted his mistakes” and professed he still loved you, but that he won’t act on it, since both of you are with other people. To his credit, though, he did email you afterwards, stating you can’t be together:

    Then he emailed me reinstating that we cannot be in each other’s lives at any capacity for the foreseeable future, which I know is the mature move.

    So he sort of gave you closure, he told you it’s not going to happen between the two of you. But I understand your drive to write him nevertheless and explain how you feel, specially since now you know that you’ll be leaving M, so things have changed on your side.

    Anyway, he seems to remember things differently now: he is claiming that it was you who pursued him, and you who made him behave disrespectfully towards his girlfriend. And you who caused him anxiety. As if he never opened the door for you, with these words:

    he told me he still loves me too. How we are both on each other’s minds, how we are each other’s “big ex”, the relationship we always wanted to work out. He said “it should be you with me”, and “I never thought I would see you again and NOT be with you”.

    When I first read these words, they sounded fake. This is what I wrote you back then: I am sorry but this doesn’t sound sincere to me. It’s like he is putting up a front of this mature, considerate guy and white-washing his past actions. And I still believe this to be true. He was faking his kindness and “love”, wanting to appear mature and not an a**hole like you remembered him. That’s probably why he insists on being friends with his exes:

    Additionally, he is friends with all of his exes and has his current gf be friends with them, as he did to me when I was with him, even though he knows it makes her uncomfortable.

    He probably hates to be seen as a bad guy, as the guilty party, so he tries his best to smear over his past actions with some syrupy stuff. And that’s what he did when he met you too. His words were syrupy and fake: We are both on each other’s minds.  We are each other’s “big ex”. It should be you with me. I never thought I would see you again and NOT be with you.

    I believe he wanted to create an image of himself as this kind, loving, wonderful guy, but didn’t think you would fall for it. That’s why he is now “frustrated about your dependence on him.” He didn’t want you to fall in love with him and start demanding things from him – he only wanted you to see him in a positive light. He only wanted to white-wash his image.

    But why does seeing me once cause him so much stress? I see it as, once again, a sign that he’s not over me. And is scapegoating me as the antagonist in his life, as opposed to his own actions and emotions he needs to work through.

    You cause him distress because you want things from him, which he cannot and doesn’t want to give you. He is scapegoating you because he doesn’t want to admit that his sleazy and lying words caused you to start having hopes about him again. His strategy backfired. It’s exactly what you said:

    It makes me feel like a major part of him didn’t change. He did this same thing when he had cheated…messing with my emotions and then blaming me for feeling the after effects, when in reality he couldn’t grapple with or accept his own guilt.

    He messed up with your emotions again, being insincere and lying about his feelings, having no intention to be with you, but only to white-wash his image. This is my impression of him.

     

    in reply to: Help me make sense of this. #385906
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    Dear Tineoidea,

    I have thought of BPD but generally it’s something which manifests itself much earlier in one way or another, not almost two years into the relationship. Who knows at this point.

    I don’t know enough about it. I know that people with BDP have difficulty maintaining friendships (and relationships in general) because they tend to be very passionate and super attached at first, but then get angry and disappointed when the other person shows even the slightest signs  of “abandonment”, e.g. not agreeing with them, or not giving them what they demand. They may claim that “this person has turned against me”, even if it’s not true in reality, it’s just that they perceive it like betrayal. I don’t know if your girlfriend had such rocky relationships in her life, and such extreme reactions (before this situation with you)?

    Thanks for the help nevertheless, it’s all been rather insightful.

    You are very welcome. Please update us about the developments, if you feel like it.

     

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    in reply to: How to work through avoidant attachment style? #385895
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    Dear Ashmitha,

    Yes teak, it definitely stems from my insecurities, I’m sure.

    Right… but you are young, only 25, so you can deal with your insecurities, rather than settle for this guy because 1) you believe you don’t deserve better, and 2) you fear judgment and ridicule of other people. It will be much more painful to spend your entire life in misery and depression, living with him, than feeling the temporary pain of people ridiculing you for your relationship status.

    Try to look at the bigger picture here and what is really important for you – to please others and live in misery, or to create a happy and fulfilled life for yourself?

    It’s clear that this guy doesn’t love you and doesn’t care about you. You say this will be your strategy from now on:

    I’m planning to just pull back as my life is about to become VERY busy. I’ll be working full-time, completing my master’s full-time and working at the university as a graduate research assistant part-time. We may just naturally fall apart, unless he initiates more often.

    But he’ll be visiting you once per week still? That’s exactly what he wants, and he’ll probably be pleased with the new regime because it will give him an excuse for not paying more attention to you, and yet, he’ll get his weekly “reward”. It’s a win-win for him. You are the one who is losing in this scenario…

    “Friends” have made fun of me for “hopping from guy to guy” before and I didn’t like that one bit, because I do take relationships seriously. When I stood up for myself and left relationships, I was made fun of for it.

    Probably they saw your tendency to stay in relationships for only a short while, and to leave quickly if problems arise. That’s because of your childhood dynamic and emotional scars that we talked about. It was an unhealthy pattern, which you are now aware of. Which means you don’t need to repeat it in the future, you can work on healing those emotional scars.

    Yet, I’ve witnessed my friends stay in bad relationships for years and work through them.

    Yes, and you escaped quickly because you feared that a small argument now will lead to huge problems down the road, because you saw it in your parents’ marriage. It was your defense mechanism to prevent bigger pain in the future…

    I think that if I were to move to a different city or something, I would be more able to call things off. My friends are all in serious relationships now and I would feel embarrassed telling everyone I am single again, yet again.

    It’s not an embarrassment to say that you are single again, because you’ve realized some things about yourself and you value yourself more than this guy values you. And that you aren’t willing to settle for less. And also, that you’re working on your other issues which made you fear conflict and leave some relationships too soon.

    It’s not embarrassing to become more self-aware and more willing to work towards your happiness. If those friends don’t understand and appreciate it, if they keep judging you and ridiculing you, then they don’t deserve to be your friends.

     

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    in reply to: Help me make sense of this. #385894
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    Dear Tineoidea,

    “There was probably some unresolved anger in her, maybe anger at her brother which she falsely directed at you.”

    Actually I don’t think that’s the case. What I noticed is that she started to mirror his behavior towards me and using the same tactics which were alien to her before.

    I see. It’s like she became a different person. I’ve mentioned it several times that she said she doesn’t know who she was. Suddenly changing her behavior and even personality completely, from one extreme to another, can be related to borderline personality disorder (BDP). I am not an expert and wouldn’t like to “slap” diagnoses on people, so this is just a possibility. A part of the BDP, as I read, is that they are confused about their identity:

    “Identity disturbance is a term used to describe incoherence, or inconsistency, in a person’s sense of identity. This could mean that a person’s goals, beliefs, and actions are constantly changing.

    It could also be that the person takes on personality traits of people around them, as they struggle to have and maintain their own identity.

    The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) describes identity disturbance as a “markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self” and notes it is one of the key symptoms of borderline personality disorder (BPD).”

    You say that she was behaving in one way with you, and then with him, she adopted his style and mannerism, as well as his way of thinking. So for example, when she was with you, she might have felt that the problems the two of you had were minor – because you said they were minor. With him, those same problems became huge – because he said they were huge. It’s like a child who doesn’t know to decide whether to cry or not after they fall – they first look at their mother to see her reaction. If the mother panics, the child starts crying. If the mother says it’s nothing and reassures the child, the child might not even start crying and keeps running around.

    Anyway, this could be a possible explanation of the “flipping” that happened in her mind. If this is true, it’s a major issue and needs persistent therapy. Usually dialectical behavior therapy (DBT).

    I’m not sure how to feel but things have been (very slowly) getting easier. For now I’m giving it plenty of time and not contacting her.

    Good strategy…

    I still can’t shake off the feeling that this development has been very wrong and there’s some sort of childish hope growing in me. I want to believe that she’ll have to fortitude to come back to herself and detach himself from him, so we can at the very least have a proper conversation like we used to.

    This development was wrong but I think it was inevitable – something else would have triggered her to flip sooner or later. Your “friend” was the catalyst. If she has BDP, she won’t be a pleasant partner to live with – unless she undergoes therapy. The only weird thing is that you said her parents were “exemplary”, and it doesn’t really go hand in hand with someone developing BDP. So perhaps not everything was so peachy as she told you it was… or of course, BDP is not what she is suffering from. So please, take this with a grain of salt…

    in reply to: Help me make sense of this. #385873
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Tineoidea,

    Very, but her support in it was vital, although at times I felt like it was lacking since she probably didn’t quite grasp my struggles even though she said she did, and I explained it all in detail.
    Neverthless, things still progressed until she got in with him, at that point she just began to blame those issues exclusively on me and angrily refused to acknowledge that she may have also failed me here and there even though it was most likely due to misunderstandings, all of which had a simple solution at hand.

    It seems that before she got involved with him, your problems could have been solved with better communication and perhaps couple’s therapy (to deal with the misunderstandings and possible resentments here and there). But once he started exerting his influence, she flipped.

    The switch in her behavior was radical once she involved herself with him, going as far as displaying traits I didn’t even think were in her, such as cruelty, blind anger, lack of empathy, gaslighting, heavy disrespect and a lot of dishonesty (even towards herself).

    I am sorry about that, Tineoidea. There was probably some unresolved anger in her, maybe anger at her brother which she falsely directed at you. It completely overtook her. Your “friend” was a trigger. That’s how I can best explain what happened…

    How are you feeling about it now?

     

     

    in reply to: Help me make sense of this. #385871
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Tineoidea,

    The relationship problem mostly centered about my living situation, and was very much solvable with a bit more time and effort. In fact, before she got involved with him, she did want to work on it together.

    How willing were you to work on this problem?

    She’s very vocal and direct about things she dislikes and repeats them often enough, so I do know those things, plus like I said, I did act on them.

    Have you acted on the problem with your living situation?

    The crux of the problem when it comes to my character, became the notion that I treated him very poorly, with no evidence of any kind being ever presented.

    She believed him for some reason, and (unless she is completely irrational and he put “a spell” on her), the reason, as I said, might be that she felt treated poorly by you? I know you said it’s impossible because she complained out loud about the things she disliked, and you would have known if there was something that bothered her so much…  unless she was afraid to be completely honest with you? Afraid of being discredited perhaps, like she was by her brother? I am grasping at straws here, because I really don’t know what to suggest at this point, which would explain her behavior…

     

    in reply to: Help me make sense of this. #385863
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Tineoidea,

    Not really, she may have reacted to some minor behaviors of mine which irritated her a tiny bit (as I did with hers) a few times but that’s about it. We spoke about and acted on those, and they certainly weren’t something we couldn’t sleep over or even remembered the next week.

    What comes to mind is that those things were minor for you, but perhaps not that minor for her? You use the words “minor”, “tiny bit”, “not worth remembering the next week”…  so you are minimizing them… but perhaps they weren’t so small in her mind? That could have been the reason why she gladly accepted and agreed with his criticism of you. And suddenly, it became a “character problem”, because they both saw something you weren’t willing to see?

    I am not claiming that any of this is true, but just trying to understand her behavior. Her behavior may be irrational, in which case there is no logical explanation for any of it. But there might be something that you aren’t (and weren’t) willing to see, and this is what I am trying to explore – if you are willing, of course.

     

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