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“ For starters, perhaps you should acknowledge it to yourself – that you were abused by him?”
I guess I can, although I wouldn’t call his behavior prior to this accident abusive, troublesome yes. When all of this went down though, he did abuse me through her for sure.
TineoideaParticipantI’ve been dealing with so much emotional and physical pain, gaslighting and nightmares during these past two months that it indeed took a toll. One starts to doubt even their own existence and perception of things.
TineoideaParticipantAll the theories are appreciated nevertheless.
The ultimate reason though, going by the words of both M an W, was my “horrid treatment” of M. Although no explanation or evidence was ever presented by either of them, and every time I pressed the issue, they changed the topic or gaslit me further.
My conscience is clear there as I know for a fact that if anything, I’ve been way too soft with him.
The only one who actually was abused during this conflict, was W, by M, as I’ve had to wipe her tears and comfort her over it many times.TineoideaParticipantThat’s quite the twist but I can assure you it’s nothing like that.
To begin with, M was never involved in my life to such a degree and has never been asked for anything. Likewise, W herself wanted to help me with zeal (and I have never asked for it either) because she wanted me close, in her life.
TineoideaParticipantI also spoke to the guy and I can’t help but to feel that he’s been manipulated too. He was very hesitant to share things but from the little he did, it seems she’s been telling us two different stories or outright lying, and she been demonizing me in his eyes, unsurprisingly.
Although I can also see that he influenced and manipulated her as well, putting her against me.Perhaps they’re made for each other in the end.
There’s a new feeling in the mix now, a deep disgust.
TineoideaParticipantShort update:
Recently I contacted her after 3 weeks of silence about getting back my property that she has (all online). Apparrently the time apart from me and close to him has only made things worse. Not only she refused to give back what’s mine, she told me to stay away from her life entirely and managed to disrespect and emotionally abuse me again. At the same time she tried to get the former “friend” to “deal” with me right off the bat (which I avoided).
TineoideaParticipantI have thought of BPD but generally it’s something which manifests itself much earlier in one way or another, not almost two years into the relationship. Who knows at this point.
Thanks for the help nevertheless, it’s all been rather insightful.
TineoideaParticipant“It seems that before she got involved with him, your problems could have been solved with better communication and perhaps couple’s therapy (to deal with the misunderstandings and possible resentments here and there). But once he started exerting his influence, she flipped.”
Just like I said before, once he influenced her, she threw the towel and blamed it all on me, before that she was willing. He himself voiced that he tried to make her break up with me.
“There was probably some unresolved anger in her, maybe anger at her brother which she falsely directed at you.”
Actually I don’t think that’s the case. What I noticed is that she started to mirror his behavior towards me and using the same tactics which were alien to her before.
“How are you feeling about it now?”
I’m not sure how to feel but things have been (very slowly) getting easier. For now I’m giving it plenty of time and not contacting her.
I still can’t shake off the feeling that this development has been very wrong and there’s some sort of childish hope growing in me. I want to believe that she’ll have to fortitude to come back to herself and detach himself from him, so we can at the very least have a proper conversation like we used to.TineoideaParticipant“How willing were you to work on this problem?”
Very, but her support in it was vital, although at times I felt like it was lacking since she probably didn’t quite grasp my struggles even though she said she did, and I explained it all in detail.
Neverthless, things still progressed until she got in with him, at that point she just began to blame those issues exclusively on me and angrily refused to acknowledge that she may have also failed me here and there even though it was most likely due to misunderstandings, all of which had a simple solution at hand.“Have you acted on the problem with your living situation?”
I have to the degree I could, she held the other half of the cards as it was a mutual journey she herself got into with zeal. There was also a very easy and quick solution which was in her hands.
I also acknowledged where I could have done more and was more than willing to put full effort into it, in fact I was already doing so when things went down.“might be that she felt treated poorly by you?”
I honestly can’t think of anything, in fact she felt so safe and loved with me that she pursued some experiences she greatly feared before, and never regretted it. I always expressed my appreciation for her and the things she did for me, and she received it gladly and lovingly.
Likewise, even at her worst, she never mentioned that I treated her poorly in any shape or form, in fact she acknowledged that our bond has been wonderful and that she cherishes a lot what we had, even though she was accussing me of absolutely ridiculous things when it comes to him.“unless she was afraid to be completely honest with you? “
Honesty and trust were the cornerstone of our relationship, and we’ve been brutally honest with each other at times. I truly can’t imagine what it could have been.
The switch in her behavior was radical once she involved herself with him, going as far as displaying traits I didn’t even think were in her, such as cruelty, blind anger, lack of empathy, gaslighting, heavy disrespect and a lot of dishonesty (even towards herself).
TineoideaParticipantShe’s very vocal and direct about things she dislikes and repeats them often enough, so I do know those things, plus like I said, I did act on them. I don’t think she was lying every time she told me just how much she likes my personality and how much she loves me, supporting those claims with wanting to spend as much time as she can together.
Likewise, she absolutely despised his character and constantly criticized or downright loathed his behavior and personality, until the switch was flipped.
TineoideaParticipant“Right, so there were things she didn’t like about you. Have you discussed those before your “friend” came into the picture? If so, how did you react to her criticism?”
Not really, she may have reacted to some minor behaviors of mine which irritated her a tiny bit (as I did with hers) a few times but that’s about it. We spoke about and acted on those, and they certainly weren’t something we couldn’t sleep over or even remember the next week. Like I said, our bond was very good.
The relationship problem mostly centered about my living situation, and was very much solvable with a bit more time and effort. In fact, before she got involved with him, she did want to work on it together.
The crux of the problem when it comes to my character, became the notion that I treated him very poorly, with no evidence of any kind being ever presented.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Tineoidea.
TineoideaParticipant“btw, for how long did they know each other?”
They only actually interacted on “good” terms for a couple of weeks, before that they mostly fought a bunch of times and didn’t communicate in months.
“The only logical explanation to me is that she must have had reservations about you that she never shared with you before.”
I’d like to believe we’ve been completely honest and transparent with each other, it’s how things started and developed for us.
I mentioned before that once they got together, her criticism of me switched from our solvable relationship problems to “my character” and how I “abused” and “tortured” him (without any proof or explanations given).TineoideaParticipantWhat boggles my mind is that she would so easily and quickly trust somebody she barely knows (and only online), somebody who mistreated and invalidated her for a long time and somebody who caused me a lot of trouble too.
She’s known me in and out for a long time, mentally, emotionally and physically, she knows just how much good I have contributed to her and how much she contributed to me. And even if doubts arise, doesn’t it make sense to discuss them with your partner and closest friend instead of betraying him on the spot while fully switching to the side of your former abuser? He was even open about wanting to tear us apart.
Even if she snaps back to reason and reaches out for me, I wonder if somebody like that could be a trustworthy partner for life, considering just how many times she betrayed me during a few weeks.
TineoideaParticipant“I wonder how much you have shared with her (before it was too late) about your friend’s character?”
Plenty actually, and in fact she was a first-hand witness of his poor behavior and character, hell, she herself suffered from it. She knows that he caused me many troubles in the past.
Did you warn her about his possessiveness, his reckless behavior and your resentment towards him, or you only had positive things to say about him (in the months preceding the conflict)?
I did warn her many times, she herself said that he does appear to be possessive when the whole circus began.
TineoideaParticipantThis whole situation certainly made me introspect a lot and I can see how I should cut less of a slack to some people. I’ve hurt my own self-respect many times while trying to mediate with people who don’t want to put any effort into it.
I’m not sure if my relationship with him can be salvaged or rebooted at this point and I’m not feeling much desire for it. When it comes to her though, I’m willing to give it a good try as long as she offers a genuine apology and wholeheartedly tries to build the trust anew.
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