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January 26, 2018 at 9:24 am #189183AnonymousGuest
Dear calisister:
I mean, and this is my understanding at this point (I am open to your input, correcting my understanding if you believe I am wrong), that I don’t think you should spend any time alone with a man who may be a dating or relationship option. By protecting I mean that because you talk and act out of control in the alone context, I am afraid that you will not be able to avoid for example, unprotected sex, an STD, further emotional harm.
It will be a good practice for you to practice self control in public, with a man who is a dating option. Only after some practice of being able to thoughtfully choose what you say, having a mature back and forth conversation where you listen and he listens and you understand each other as equal adults, then maybe. But you are not there yet.
I will be at the computer for a while longer. Let me know if you understand my input and if you disagree.
anita
January 26, 2018 at 9:32 am #189189cali sisterParticipanthi anita,
thank you for caring for me and thinking of me. with regards to sexual stuff, we have not talked about my traumas with that. (emotional traumas that stem from my MOTHER). that being said, (feels awfully awkward mentioning such a thing on a public forum) – i do not engage in such activities. to make it clearer, i am a virgin and would not engage in sex. I need protection from rape per say, i agree. that is not in my control. however, with me being emotionally out of control with sexuality – that is not the case. i am very firm and tell men when i meet them that sex is not an option with me. i just dont want to do it right now – have not met anyone that would make me comfortable to do that. like i said, i agree with regards to be being unable to be in control PHYSICALLY. i am very tiny as well! after all that i have been through, i do take pride that it has not lead to – crazy sexual experiences, drugs, etc.
i like this idea of self control in public. are you mentioning this only due to sexual reasons, however? do you feel the same after i told you what i said above?
January 26, 2018 at 9:51 am #189193AnonymousGuestDear calisister:
I understand the awkwardness in discussing such a personal matter on a public forum so I will be as sensitive to this as I can be. On page 13 of your thread you shared that you compared an ex boyfriend’s sexual practices with his ex girlfriend with such practices with you. After reading that I figured, well, that there has been sexual activity, hence my concern.
I suppose what you referred to was limited maybe to … well, very limited (don’t need details!)
I am glad that you have been in control this way, yes, much relieved and I do feel differently about you dating men. Still, I think you should date with great caution, develop a dating strategy that will work for you. Your dating history is dysfunctional, no doubt in my mind (and yours, correct?), so better go about it effectively.
I would like to think of you as being in control of what you say to a man, not in perfect control, of course, as feeling excited and spontaneous is okay, healthy. But a reasonable self control is necessary for a healthy date, and definitely for a healthy relationship.
If you are for devising a dating strategy tailored for you specifically, a dating-strategy-for-calisister, then I think it will be an excellent idea and I am more than willing to help with that.
anita
January 26, 2018 at 9:57 am #189195cali sisterParticipantanita,
yes – don’t worry. cali sister ain’t gonna be having sex with no one.
you know what is interesting? when i mentioned “an ex boyfriend’s sexual practices with his ex girlfriend with such practices” – i actually meant how he FELT when he saw her. how ATTRACTED he was. not the actual sexual acts.
HOW INTERESTING! light bulb just went off. how interesting that i described it as sexual practices when i was actually referring to something emotional. this is where i struggle most. the emotional cheating.
Let’s do it! – dating-strategy-for-calisister! LOVE IT!
I would love to feel in control too.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 11 months ago by cali sister.
January 26, 2018 at 10:02 am #189179MarkParticipantOkee Dokie cali sister.
I started a new thread in this Forum as Anxiety – What People are Doing About it?.
January 26, 2018 at 10:25 am #189205AnonymousGuestDear calisiter:
Emotional cheating… there is much in the term to be explored, I feel.
Project: A Dating Strategy for Calisister, I am all for this project. One major goal is for you to be in reasonable control of what you say and what you do on a date, and in between dates. Let’s focus on what you say on a date. This is why the physical context of the date is important as it limits the what-you-do control aspect. On a coffee date, for example, you sit in front of the man, in a coffee place, at a time it is not too busy so you can hear each other, maybe in front of a fire place (real or artificial). The date takes place only there, an hour, maybe two at the most. The date is limited in place and time, that is.
Now, the conversation. I wonder if we should practice here, me being the guy. What do you think?
* Will soon be away from the computer for about sixteen hours or so, in about half an hour, I think.
anita
January 26, 2018 at 12:01 pm #189223cali sisterParticipantanita,
emotional cheating. a huge concept. boys. parents. friends.
A Dating Strategy for Calisister
As you know, my sister and i really struggle with boundaries. my favorite thing about what you posted is: The date is limited in place and time. I struggle THE MOST with this. In most of my experiences, if a date were to end early, it because it is my choice (I do not mean to sound conceited – but this is usually how it goes with any woman). I have such a hard time keeping it to one place and a certain time. Even before I even meet someone (and I have no idea if i will even be interested) – I have this idea that it must last “forever” in a sense. You know, there have been times where I have been on dates and I was not even interested but I still would go to another place with them. I cannot explain why.
Thus, I think my biggest efforts definitely have to go into being OKAY with hanging out for 1-2 hours. Not everything has to be a 12 hour ordeal. For example, Monday, Alex asked me to get happy hour. It would have been for an hour or so since he had to give a lecture at 6pm. I am repeating this for myself: Alex was asking me to hang out for 1-2 hours. This concept made me anxious. I was unable to attend because of work, but even if I was able to, I do not believe I would have said “yes.” I felt more comfortable with the idea of hanging out the next day since neither of us had any obligations or plans in the evening. There is no time limit. Now, don’t get me wrong. The time limit or amount of time concept has nothing to do with “oh i do not only want to see him for 2 hours because i like him so much and want to spend more time with him. I want as much time as i can get!” It has nothing to do with that. It is hard for me to explain the feeling that I get. And I do not really have an explanation why. I’m sure you will have input. Alex is a good one to practice this with because he is this way. One time in November, we studied together at a local coffee shop. After a few hours, it was SUPPOSED to end and I knew this. But i was so uncomfortable with the concept when we were leaving. “this is all we did? was it enough?” I had to leave. I had to go home to my puppy, eat dinner. But even though I HAD to, i had a really hard time and might have even said statements like “i thought we were gonna go on an adventure after!” Maybe it has something to do with – maybe the longer they see me, they will like me more? But that does not explain why I continue dates with people I may not like. Conclusion: I rather sit at home alone for an entire evening than see Alex (or any man) for a planned amount of time.
I feel the same way (not to the same extent of anxiety) when it comes to plans with friends. Of course, it is not romantic when i am with my girlfriends, so I do not have as much trouble leaving when i get sleepy. If i am sleepy with a man and I have a huge presentation the next day, i will stay as long as it lasts. no ability to leave. i’ll give the presentation on no sleep.
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With regards to the conversation, hm, I am not sure the best way to practice. I do have issues with oversharing, bluntness, abruptness. I, by nature, am not that “typical, feminine, gentle” girl. I mean, that is what makes me, ME. I have an edge. I have never been that girl. BUT, I could maybe tone it down a bit and try to be those qualities in a sense, so i do not come off as rough. How would we go about this? Practicing this per say.
Last time I saw alex, i forced myself to stay silent in silent moments. Since he is not my actual boyfriend or someone who i am seriously emotionally dating, he is not someone i would practice the vow of silence with yet. we are not on the level for him to understand such a thing. instead i did what i could with silence. and it felt better. but this is just alex. there will be many more alex-es.
Talk tomorrow.
January 27, 2018 at 6:09 am #189295AnonymousGuestDear calisister:
Maybe your trouble with time limits has to do (won’t surprise me….) with your mother’s input, her message of what’s-the-point-of-doing-this or that if you are going to move anyway, if it won’t last. You expressed her message before, one time regarding a decoration in your current apartment, I think, something you wanted to hang on the wall but didn’t (don’t recall the details). I do remember you playing her message regarding Alex, as in what is the point of seeing him if the two of you will soon be living very far away from each other.
Time and place limits for a date, as part of the Dating Strategy for Calisister, are very important because, like a scientific experiment, you can focus on one variable when other conditions are controlled. The variable I am referring to is your impulsive talking.
Being a bit on edge, spontaneous, fine, that is an endearing quality that you don’t want to give up. Okay. But being careless to the point of making a healthy relationship impossible, being so careless as to hurt yourself, that is not endearing, that is self defeating.
It is sad and self defeating. And it will keep you lonely.
So, self control, thoughtful talking is the variable to work on when other factors are controlled. If we practiced here, if we did, Better I will be you and you will take the role of the man, Alex, being the guy relevant at this point. Better so because I don’t know how guys in their twenties talk on dates. You know better, I am hoping.
But this practice is not necessarily a good idea. I don’t know, we can try it, or not. Let me know. Maybe you have other ideas for the progression of this dating strategy for you.
anita
January 27, 2018 at 7:06 am #189303cali sisterParticipantAnita,
i think the time limit thing also has to do with my inability to be in the moment and focus on a certain time and value that time. For example, when I am at the first destination with a friend, I find myself talking about “what bar do you want to go to next”. I don’t value the current bar we are at. This is from my mother.
Yesterday, I hung out with a new friend. When we were making plans, she mentioned a location that wouldn’t have options to do something right after unless we drove. Anxiety. I got through the anxiety. I planned to see her for an hour. And went. We ended up hanging out for hours and I met her husband etc. but initially I let myself be okay with the plan. When I was at the restaurant, I looked around me. I looked at some families. It was already later at night so this is probably their dinner and they will go home. I watched them. I noticed how they were just here. Just there. Eating. This was their Friday. Enjoying in that moment. Nothing more needed. Then bed time. I looked around. I dressed very nicely and everyone else was dressed nicely as well. I took a breath. And I lived in that restaurant for that moment. Not wondering where to go next.
Focusing on one thing gives me anxiety, so I guess a time limit forces me to do that.
Wih regards to practice, perhaps it would be beneficial for me to write questions I get asked or typical things which I am unable to respond normally to.
Examples you can create responses to: (this is only the beginning. I’ll have more later)
1. are you close with your family?
2. So when are you free to hang out ?
3. Explaining why I’m virgin
January 27, 2018 at 7:22 am #189305AnonymousGuestDear calisister:
When anxious at this moment, the hope is in the next moment- that is what fuels the quest for what-is-next. Only the hope really is in this very moment. Developing my thought further: in nature, chased by a predator, the potential prey’s hope really is in the next moment, the moment after a fast running away. But when we are not in real life danger, as you being in a particular bar, hope is not in the next bar.
You coming up with questions a guy is likely to ask is an excellent idea. The guy is asking this on the first date or one of the firsts. The questions and my answers:
1. Are you close with your family?- I am close with my sister. I have one sister who is older than me. I am not close with my parents. How about you?
2. So when are you free to hang out? – My work schedule is this … After work I (ex. take my puppy on a walk), outside of that I am pretty free. How about you?
3. Why are you a virgin?- (because you didn’t tell me why, I will be guessing, you can correct me on it, and of course, the whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth is none of the guy’s business, definitely not on a first or one of the first dates)-
I value sex as part of a special, intimate relationship with a man, nothing I take lightly. What about you?
anita
January 27, 2018 at 9:41 am #189309cali sisterParticipantThese are not questions that are first dates per say because unfortunately dating nowadays is a fake. So real questions come way later in the game. It’s a game!
Regarding when I am free, I have been told that with men you should be vague and say I am available on Tuesday. Not give too many details. Do you agree ?
virgin question – here’s the funny thing. No one asks me that. I just feel the need to explain. So we can remove that all together ! I don’t have to say anything
side note: just video chatted my father. Bc I tend to want to sometimes. Let me explain the convo briefly.
Showing them puppy. Dad watching me fill the puppy’s bin up with food for storage. They then start telling me to buy this one indian food product because it is really good etc. and my dad said “yes it’s the best”. My mother in the background with her horrible baby voice that my sister and I now find creepy or scary states (whiny voice) – “oh don’t say that. Mommy makes a really good one”
My dad then continues to tell me about how I need to look at my car statements etc. finance stuff. My mom is in the back. She says “while you’re filling the bin make sure you also give him some pebbles. Look how sad he looks in the back” my dad immediately says “she is giving it to him”
i then explain how the new day care my puppy goes to has this one dog that was thrown out of a running car. I am explaining how sad the story is and how traumatized the poor dog is. He wouldn’t let me pet him or anything. My dads response “so is the new day car good and everything? How many other dogs”
my mom then says “do you wanna see the clothes I’m wearing today to the movie? (Like a child). And then proceeds to show me the outfit and explains it as if she is the elite fashion queen. I couldn’t help but smile and think of my sister. Oh how we would make fun of this one.
January 27, 2018 at 10:11 am #189313AnonymousGuestDear calisister:
“So when are you free to hang out?”- not necessary to tell him your work schedule or when you walk your dog. My rule is to tell a person the truth, but not the whole truth, just a part of it. Nothing manipulative or deceiving. If you like the guy you can say: I can find time to hang out with you sooner than later. Or I like you so I can find time for you. Or you can say: weekends, or early evenings. Whatever is true.
Regarding the video conversation you described: they both ignored your story about the dog being thrown out of a moving car.
About your mother sounding like a little girl, reminds me of your sister’s thinking of your mother as a little girl, a suffering little girl. If you read my last post to your sister on her own thread, I commented on this seeing one’s mother as a child.
A child, a little girl does not see herself separate from her mother, the two are mentally one unit for the girl. In that unit, when the mother does not show empathy to her daughter, when she tells of her suffering, using the child as a sounding board, what happens next is that the child feels so much empathy to the mother, seeing the mother as the child and seeing herself (the real life child) as the parent.
anita
January 27, 2018 at 10:29 am #189315cali sisterParticipantWhy are they so quick to ignore things that are truly horrible? If I tell them a story of my cancer patient dying. They change the subject.
January 27, 2018 at 10:46 am #189319cali sisterParticipantThey just sent me pictures of themselves. When I see he picture of my father. I fall to tears. I wish it wasn’t this way or this didn’t happen to me.
January 27, 2018 at 11:46 am #189325AnonymousGuestDear calisister:
As to “why are they so quick to ignore things that are truly horrible?”- for the same reason they ignore the horrible things they did and do to you and to your sister, perhaps?
Regarding your second post, “I wish it wasn’t this way”- I wish so as well. I wish.
anita
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