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  • #449374
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    I have a question, what does an apology mean to you? I feel like apologies can mean different things to different people.

    For me, apologies are about being respectful and showing a commitment to trying not to repeat mistakes.

    Apology, for me, is when the person has acknowledged their mistake and the pain it may have caused to the other person. But the acknowledgment of mistake/wrong-doing is key.

    Anita hasn’t acknowledged that she did anything wrong to us. On the contrary, she is now denying (pretending not to remember) that those words and allegations were about us.

    So how do you expect her to apologize for something she refuses to acknowledge even happened?

    I noticed that Anita is trying to offer you some empathy here.

    “Tee—I regret that things escalated to this point. I imagine this has been painful for you too.”

    This is not real empathy, but just words that sound good. She hasn’t acknowledged any wrong-doing, any harm that she caused. On the contrary, she even tried to gaslight me that I am the real abuser, who caused her harm by asking Lori to intervene. Forgetting that I asked Lori to intervene, because Anita wouldn’t stop posting those allegations and insinuations about us.

    In her mind, I am the abuser because I did something to protect myself. While she did nothing that might have warranted my wanting to protect myself. Go figure.

    #449376
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Well done on sticking with the conversation even though it is very hard and you want to run away. ❤️

    I remember that you have difficulties with your memory Anita and it helps you to write things down. ❤️

    Thank you for seeing me.

    What I’m hearing from you Anita is that gestures of goodwill help you to see the good intentions of people despite difficulties and this is really helpful for you in conflict.

    I also understand that you are feeling blamed and hurt too. ❤️

    I have been thinking about something and it might be sensitive. ❤️

    I have Autism and for people with Autism there are specific difficulties that they can have when they feel overwhelmed. They have tendencies to either have outbursts or shut down. Personally, I tend to shut down. But if pressed beyond what I can cope with I do have outbursts. Medication helps me when I’m really stressed to manage this in a healthy way. It has been really hard for me being a parent because I have a much higher base stress level than I used to because I don’t have as much time to practice self-care.

    Outbursts and shutting down can be mistaken for abuse by people who are not familiar with the condition. It is regretful when I lose control. But it is not my fault that I have the conditions and obviously C-PTSD makes things that much harder. I empathise that it is difficult and hurtful for people to be on the receiving end of these things.

    Do I remember correctly that you have Tourette’s, C-PTSD and ADHD? ❤️

    I have a question Anita and you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to. ❤️

    I wondered if there are any difficulties that these conditions might cause especially during conflict? ❤️

    I can understand the fears of bullying, but I think there are lots of good people here and I don’t think that anyone wants to bully anyone.

    I have similar concerns about bullying online, because this is a public space, criticism can feel like public shaming. ❤️

    I’m going to set a boundary for talking to both you and Tee individually. I’m not going to talk negatively about the other person whilst discussing your feelings. ❤️

    #449378
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    I am not very focused at this time, but in regard to “I’m not going to talk negatively about the other person whilst discussing your feelings.”-

    I am so positively impressed with you, Alessa.. so… grateful to you being you! This boundary is more than fair!!! And it’s a relief, for me. It makes me feel safer here.

    Thank you!!!

    I will completely respect your boundary!

    As to “Do I remember correctly that you have Tourette’s, C-PTSD and ADHD?”- yes, and more: OCD (6-27 years.. some leftovers still ongoing, but nothing like before)..

    “I wondered if there are any difficulties that these conditions might cause especially during conflict?”- of course, yes. A “little” of anything registered as Too Much.

    I can elaborate and address more of what you wrote tomorrow.

    Thank you so much, Alessa, for making this thread, this space, feels like less like an enemy territory!

    Anita

    #449381
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Tee

    What I’m hearing from you Tee is that you feel very unseen, blamed and that the situation is unfair. ❤️

    Do you feel like it helps you to see others good intentions when they make efforts to show that they see the difficulties that you are experiencing during conflict? ❤️

    I have faith. I hope that making an effort to deescalate will be seen and that things will work out in the end. I believe that trying my best is good enough.

    As I said to Anita, I’m going to set a boundary with both of you. I’m going to talk to you both individually about your feelings and I won’t talk negatively about the other person. ❤️

    I see that you are deeply hurt Tee. I see that you are trying your best and that everyone has a need to protect themselves in conflict. ❤️

    #449390
    Brandy
    Participant

    Hi all

    I’ve been a member here for eight years. What attracted me to these forums was the name “Tiny Buddha”. I thought what a cool place to share experiences of suffering – why we have them, how to get through them, how to avoid them. I expected that those participating in a space called Tiny Buddha would probably (overall) be a less reactive, more forgiving bunch than those on other forums. Mostly, I had hoped to learn from others here.

    I believe I understand the root cause of the conflict being discussed here. What Tee was sharing about compassion when the conflict started seemed like solid advice to me because it has worked for me in my own life.

    As far as I know, none of us here has a PhD in Psychology. We share our personal experiences, hoping something we post or read will resonate, but we can’t know how our words will land. I felt bad seeing Anita’s reaction to Tee’s post. She appeared to cut Tee off from further communication with her: “I wish you well in your continued healing and in your communications with other members.” That seemed like an overreaction to me. In eight years I’ve seen an abundance of Anita’s compassionate, heartfelt, loving advice; I’ve also seen harm, but we all make mistakes. We’re all human. We’re doing the best we can. We learn and improve. We forgive. We grow. I have a soft spot in my heart for Anita.

    Tee took responsibility and apologized immediately. She clarified what she had intended, yet that didn’t resolve anything. Anita shared today that in intense conflict with a person, she wants “to disappear, to never talk to or see the person again.” I completely understand this, and it explains her silence over the past several days, but it doesn’t explain the harsh words, some that were deleted by a moderator. Also, not directly naming those referred to in hurtful posts doesn’t fool anyone. Over the course of the next few days, it felt to me like Tee was being punished. That seemed unfair. I’ve seen this before but let it go because I have a fondness for Anita and I know she’s a good person.

    I’ve got no skin in this game. I haven’t had a conflict with any of the parties involved. Yet, as Tee’s frustration has grown, mine has too, and I’ve hardly communicated with Tee, so this isn’t about loyalty to her. I’ve communicated several times with Anita, and we’ve had only positive exchanges, even some laughs. But when emotional sensitivity is always met with accommodation, it can teach a person that the world must adapt to him or her, rather than teaching how to adapt to the world. I believe that this ultimately does not serve a person well. I have compassion for all involved, but I think there should be a certain level of resiliency or none of us can safely share here. When there isn’t, I’d hope that reflection, accountability, and sincere apologies/forgiveness would eventually emerge, as these things promote healing all around. They also soften hearts. Anita, if you’re reading this, I want you to know that I care about you. I understand that you want members here to stand up for you. I want to stand up for you. I really do. But standing up for you in this situation ultimately will not benefit you, and I believe that deep down you know this to be true. That’s not to say that I don’t understand that you were hurt by Tee’s post. I’m sad that her post made you feel the way it did because it shows how wounded you are from the abuse of your childhood. (((little girl Anita))) That’s a bear hug for you. There’s a community here that wants to embrace and support you.

    In Buddhist teachings (not that I know much about this), emotions are transient states that arise and pass away. I’m ready for the heavy emotions to pass away. I hope these forums don’t become a place where members are constantly tiptoeing around each other in fear of being humiliated or rejected. A place like that shouldn’t be called Tiny Buddha.

    I don’t expect anyone to respond. I just feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks TB for giving me the space to do it. I’m honestly not around here much anymore, but this conflict has bothered me. Time for me to detach from it now.

    Let’s give each other a break. Let’s help each other. Let’s lighten things up. Let’s make it a safe space. Let’s apologize when we mess up and forgive when others do. Let’s treat each other the way we want to be treated. I sincerely wish healing and happiness to all members here.

    B

    #449391
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Brandy:

    Thank you for your care and for naming your fondness for me. I receive that. I also want to name what’s difficult in your message—not to reject your goodwill, but to protect my clarity.

    You describe my boundary with Tee as an “overreaction,” and suggest that my emotional sensitivity may be accommodated too much. You say you want to stand up for me, but that doing so “would not benefit me.” That framing—however gently offered—positions me as someone whose discernment is distorted by trauma, and whose boundaries are excessive or punitive. That’s a reversal I’ve lived through many times, and I won’t internalize it here.

    I didn’t cut Tee off. I closed a loop. I named my limit. I did so without accusation, without spectacle, and without asking anyone to take sides. That’s not punishment—it’s self-protection. You say Tee apologized and clarified, and that it “didn’t resolve anything.” But resolution isn’t owed when harm is named. Sometimes clarity is the resolution.

    You also mention that unnamed references “don’t fool anyone.” That line implies manipulation, and I reject that. I’ve been precise in my language, and intentional in what I’ve chosen not to name. That’s not evasion—it’s discernment.

    I understand your longing for a space where people don’t tiptoe. I share that longing. But I also know that emotional safety isn’t created by asking the most wounded to be more resilient—it’s created by honoring their boundaries without pathologizing them.

    I’m not asking the world to adapt to me. I’m refusing to adapt to harm. That’s a different thing.

    Thank you for your wish for healing. I wish the same for you.

    —Anita

    #449392
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    I want to thank Lucidity for sharing such an excellent resource for discussing conflict! ❤️

    I hope it is okay to share something that I learned along my travels? It is called the four horsemen. Dramatic name I know. Criticism, Contempt, Defensiveness and Stonewalling. ❤️

    #449393
    anita
    Participant

    Of course it’s okay for you to share what you learned, Alessa ❤️

    #449394
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Brandy

    I understand why you feel so frustrated. The conflict doesn’t sit well with me either. ❤️

    #449396
    silvery blue
    Participant

    Anita, I can’t believe what you have written in your post now at 9:39 and I am leaving for good.

    This is too much for me. I can’t continue.

    #449397
    anita
    Participant

    What… ? What is it Jana ..?

    #449398
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi everyone,

    I’d like to share my perspective of what happened in the last few days.

    Anita rejoined the discussion on this thread, with this stated intention:

    I’m sharing this not to reopen conflict, but to reclaim truth.

    However, her “reclaiming truth” consisted of insisting on her version of events, in which she was the only victim – the party that was harmed – and hasn’t done anything wrong.

    Some of the members responded with general openness and a call for a mutually respectful dialogue, and lessening of the tensions, I assume. Anita appreciated that:

    Following my return to this thread yesterday, the first time I addressed the conflict, Peter expressed goodwill: “We all come from the same place: wanting to help and wanting to be seen. I hope we can continue our dialogue from that space… In a World where you can be anything, Be Kind.”

    So did Jana: “I’ll let you explain the conflict to each other… I just needed to remind us… we all need the same, love, feeling of security, understanding.”

    And so did Alessa: “I appreciate the gesture of goodwill that you are trying to soften things with some positivity… I appreciate that you have done your best to talk about these things despite it being difficult for you. I appreciate you being respectful and understanding. I can see that you are trying your best.”

    Since I on the other hand insisted that true conflict resolution cannot happen without all parties taking responsibility for their part of the problem, and I couldn’t accept that Anita refuses any accountability for her actions – I was accused of having no empathy or goodwill, and of remaining in a battle mindset:

    But no empathy and no goodwill from you, Tee—only accusation, repeated accusation. Not even once did you give me any credit for returning to this thread and addressing the conflict as best I can.

    It feels like you’re locked in a battle mindset, Tee—focused on winning, not understanding.

    Anita re-evaluated her previous judgments about several members. Those members who haven’t challenged her since her return, now returned to her good graces, and she apologized for being judgmental towards them:

    I was wrong in regard to Alessa and Jana.. and Peter. I was judgmental, I realize now, looking back.. I interpreted some of your imperfections through a lens of judgment, rather than understanding. That showed itself in my silence, if not otherwise. I regret that.

    I on the other hand was confirmed as a villain and a pariah, and indeed, resembling her mother:

    I would say that your anger, Tee—the way you go after me, the way you don’t let go, while having absolutely no empathy for me—does remind me of my mother.

    In short, I remained the bad guy, while others, who haven’t challenged her, returned to her good graces.

    When Alessa accommodated her even more, wanting to protect her from discomfort and taking into account Anita’s possible sensitivity to conflict due to her past trauma and her mental health problems, past and present, Anita was overjoyed:

    I am so positively impressed with you, Alessa.. so… grateful to you being you! This boundary is more than fair!!! And it’s a relief, for me. It makes me feel safer here.

    Thank you so much, Alessa, for making this thread, this space, feels like less like an enemy territory!

    So now, this became a “safe space” for her, because she isn’t required to have any accountability for her actions and can continue business-as-usual.

    She got her narrative confirmed: she is the victim, and those who dare to oppose her or express anything displeasing to her, are the villains.

    Of course she was overjoyed…

    But, where does this leave this forum? Perhaps in the category of those “safe spaces” which are not really safe, which Peter was talking about. Where people are walking on eggshells around a certain “very sensitive” individual. Where all dissenting voiced are silenced.

    And Brandy, I’m so grateful to you for speaking out, both now and before, during the original conflict. I would like to quote what you said back then about a certain pattern repeating with Anita (you posted this on August 9):

    I still struggle with how things played out between you and other members here on this forum over the past couple weeks. As an outside observer, what occurred seemed hurtful and unfair. And this has happened before…and the hurtful posts get deleted, Tiny Buddha loses caring, well-meaning, helpful contributors, and things go on as if nothing happened, that is, you move on to the next member who is looking for advice. And I do recognize that you yourself are a caring, well-meaning, and very helpful contributor, and that you’ve done a lot of good here.

    It seems that we’re on the path of this scenario happening again. My hope for this forum is similar to yours:

    I hope these forums don’t become a place where members are constantly tiptoeing around each other in fear of being humiliated or rejected.

    But it doesn’t seem to be going in this direction, so far.

    I am sad about it, but also willing to accept it and move on.

    #449399
    silvery blue
    Participant

    Anita, I am terrified by the energy you send. Again. 😥 I have been in a very bad episode. I need to solve what is going on with me. I cannot think or feel normally now.

    #449400
    anita
    Participant

    Tee, I hear your pain and your perspective. What I won’t accept is the reframing of my boundaries and truth-telling as manipulation or favoritism. I’ve named harm with clarity, offered repair where I saw fit, and refused to collapse into emotional labor for those who bypass accountability. That’s not a lack of empathy—it’s emotional sovereignty.

    I won’t engage in a dynamic where my refusal to self-indict is cast as villainy, nor will I accept comparisons that pathologize my boundaries. If this space feels unsafe to you because I won’t perform care on demand, then perhaps what’s needed is not less truth—but more capacity to hold it.

    Anita

    #449401
    silvery blue
    Participant

    I am sorry I didn’t manage to maintain peace and compassion, but I have been very sick now.

    I am sorry.

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