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  • #449402
    Tee
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    Anita,

    Tee, I hear your pain and your perspective. What I won’t accept is the reframing of my boundaries and truth-telling as manipulation or favoritism. I’ve named harm with clarity, offered repair where I saw fit, and refused to collapse into emotional labor for those who bypass accountability. That’s not a lack of empathy—it’s emotional sovereignty.

    I won’t engage in a dynamic where my refusal to self-indict is cast as villainy, nor will I accept comparisons that pathologize my boundaries. If this space feels unsafe to you because I won’t perform care on demand, then perhaps what’s needed is not less truth—but more capacity to hold it.

    Good job at learning new expressions (“emotional labor”) to bolster your narrative! Say hi to Copilot for me, it’s doing a great job supporting you in these emotionally troubling times!

    #449403
    anita
    Participant

    Talking about Emotion… Wow!

    #449405
    silvery blue
    Participant

    Please, let’s not argue 🙏🦋

    I have to stop, too… I have been too effected… flashbacks from bullying… the atmosphere is too intense…

    Let’s rest, please.

    #449406
    silvery blue
    Participant

    Just rest.

    #449407
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Tee

    You are a good person and definitely not a villain. I understand why this conflict has been so painful and difficult for you. ❤️

    But I think there has been a misunderstanding. I wasn’t trying to accommodate anyone by setting a boundary. That boundary was for me. ❤️

    I have been researching how to handle group conflict in healthy ways.

    From what I’ve seen there only really seem to be two answers. 1) Stay out of it and let people sort it out themselves. 2) Speak to both parties individually, support them, but don’t speak badly about the other person. I am open to hearing other suggestions, if anyone them. ❤️

    Tourette’s and ADHD are neurodevelopmental disorders. The brain is wired differently.

    I was simply trying to encourage Anita to discuss difficulties during conflict that occur with these conditions. I am curious because I don’t know much about the conditions and I wondered if there were any issues that might not be intuitively understood by others.

    I would encourage you to talk to me directly if you feel hurt about something I have done. ❤️

    #449408
    anita
    Participant

    Yes, let’s rest, Jana. I want rest, believe me. What the hell happened here… seriously, I don’t know how it got to this point. Anyway, Jana.. I am sorry..

    Just noticed Alessa’s post. Too tired to process…

    Sat morning maybe…

    For crying out loud, what an emotional mess.

    #449409
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    It seemed like Anita was interested in learning more about the four horsemen. Criticism, Contempt, Stonewalling and Defensiveness.

    Basically these are unhealthy communication patterns that hurt people and show that communication is breaking down.

    It can help foster communication to try communicating without these behaviours. Not an easy thing during a conflict. All people can do is try their best. ❤️

    #449410
    silvery blue
    Participant

    I am sorry. I should write it on paper first…

    I need to take responsibility for my emotions in a healthier way… stop, rest, calm… write it on paper.. process… and send it when I feel better and only if it is really necessary…

    I am terrified of “defensive” energies, which my mind evaluates like a need of others to dominate me.

    I know it is only in my mind. It’s not real. But it threw me into total chaos inside.

    It is good that it came back… I know that I need to work on myself harder… much harder…

    🦋

    #449411
    silvery blue
    Participant

    I am too weak to set peace in conflicts.

    #449413
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    I know your intentions are good, you’re trying to be caring and accommodating to everyone.

    But I think there has been a misunderstanding. I wasn’t trying to accommodate anyone by setting a boundary. That boundary was for me.

    Sorry, I wasn’t necessarily talking about the boundary you set, but in general about shifting the focus of the discussion to Anita’s sensitivity, asking her questions about her mental health and why it might contribute to her sensitivity during conflicts, and taking care of her needs, so to speak.

    That’s all fine, but I felt it failed to address the “elephant in the room”, namely that Anita hasn’t acknowledged any wrong-doing towards you, hasn’t apologized for any of her actions, and has portrayed herself as the victim ever since she came back.

    I felt that this enabled Anita to remain in her victim narrative, not acknowledging any harm that she’s done (which you previously expressed and are aware of). You kind of let go of the need for her to apologize, and remained hopeful that she would do it later.

    And so she continued with her version of the story, implying that she is the “most wounded” and therefore we need to respect her “boundaries”, which might include not saying anything she finds unsettling or threatening. This is from Anita’s reply to Brandy:

    I understand your longing for a space where people don’t tiptoe. I share that longing. But I also know that emotional safety isn’t created by asking the most wounded to be more resilient—it’s created by honoring their boundaries without pathologizing them.

    Or her reply to me:

    I’ve named harm with clarity, offered repair where I saw fit, and refused to collapse into emotional labor for those who bypass accountability. That’s not a lack of empathy—it’s emotional sovereignty.

    She claims she offered repair, but she’s done none of that, because she hasn’t acknowledged any wrong-doing. She is claiming that others are bypassing accountability, while that’s exactly what she is doing.

    So what’s the result? If we want to respect her “boundaries”, we need to silence ourselves. We need to tiptoe. We need to respect her pain, but dismiss our own.

    And this is how a space becomes unsafe, how it becomes stifling for those who might have issues with some of Anita’s words and actions.

    I would encourage you to talk to me directly if you feel hurt about something I have done.

    Dear Alessa, I’m not really hurt, but rather, I’m sad. What happens is that by being very accommodating to Anita and focusing on only her pain and her discomfort while putting yours aside – you’re enabling more of this behavior. Not that you want it, but that’s the result.

    But please know that I’m not judging you at all. I see your struggle and your good intentions. You truly believe that this conflict can be worked out at everyone’s satisfaction, if we’re just patient enough. I’m afraid I’m not sharing your optimism.

    #449414
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Jana,

    I’m sorry this was very triggering for you. And I apologize if I too contributed to that.

    I am too weak to set peace in conflicts.

    You don’t need to, Jana. Please don’t blame yourself. It’s not your fault or your responsibility that some conflicts go on, in spite of your best intentions.

    However, you have the right to be upset, either about the conflict going on in spite of your expressed wishes, or about particular participants’ words and actions.

    I understand if you were upset about me for keep engaging, for not letting go of certain things. I also saw that you were upset about some things that Anita said. But then it seemed you started blaming yourself for not being able to manage your emotions better.

    I’d just like to say: please don’t blame yourself. This is a hard situation to be in. It’s charged. And you’re not responsible for keeping the peace. Sometimes peace and common ground cannot even be reached because there is no shared understanding of what happened.

    I don’t want to add to your stress and overwhelm, so I’ll stop now. But if you need anything from me, please say so. ❤️

    #449415
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Yana

    You are not weak. You are doing your best! I think that it is important to take care of yourself. ❤️

    #449416
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Tee

    Hi Tee

    I feel like you might be picking up on a value I have linked to fairness. Equity.

    It may not seem that important to you, but it was important for me to explore how my neurodivergence affected conflict.

    I worry about talking about that post and how it affected me. I know that it was difficult for you. I feel like your feelings about how you were affected are more important to me than mine. How do you feel about the post when it comes to yourself? ❤️

    I am a different person to you, with a different perspective. It doesn’t mean that anyone’s perspective is any less valid. Your pain is valid.
    I don’t want to undercut your feelings when talking to you. ❤️

    You and I, simply have different priorities, perspectives, needs and conflict styles. That is not to say that one is more valid than the other. That is not true, we are just different people.

    To me, sad is a kind of hurt. I’m sorry for making you sad. You don’t need to worry about me. I will be okay. ❤️

    I’m sorry you feel like I’m enabling Anita by not discussing my feelings right now. I disagree, I’m simply prioritising my own needs.

    I don’t want to discuss my needs in a heated environment, I don’t feel like that is healthy for me. I would prefer to focus on deescalation and creating a calmer healthy environment first.

    I don’t like having a stressful environment. Can I cope with it? Yes, but it is uncomfortable for me. I would prefer wait to discuss my feelings when the situation is calmer, I believe that they will be received better then. I will be less stressed and be better equipped to handle the conversation in a healthy way. ❤️

    #449418
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Alessa,

    It may not seem that important to you, but it was important for me to explore how my neurodivergence affected conflict.

    Oh I’m sorry, Alessa. I didn’t want to dismiss your neurodivergence and exploring how that affects conflict. I just felt that the conversation completely shifted to the mental health aspect of the conflict, and how you can support Anita in making this space as comfortable as possible for her (and yourself, as someone who struggles with autism and C-PTSD).

    The topic of her accountability was dropped in the process, and the effect was that she kept engaging from the perspective of the only victim, refusing to consider how her words and actions might have affected others. This stance was confirmed in her replies to Brandy and me. That’s what I was concerned about.

    You and I, simply have different priorities, perspectives, needs and conflict styles. That is not to say that one is more valid than the other. That is not true, we are just different people.

    I’m sorry you feel like I’m enabling Anita by not discussing my feelings right now. I disagree, I’m simply prioritising my own needs.

    I think I understand you better now. You prioritize de-escalation of the conflict, and then discussing things in a calmer environment:

    I don’t want to discuss my needs in a heated environment, I don’t feel like that is healthy for me. I would prefer to focus on deescalation and creating a calmer healthy environment first.

    And you felt that it’s more important to establish rapport with Anita, to engage from a place of empathy and understanding, rather than insisting on her accountability. I understand. Whereas to me, I feel true conflict resolution can’t come about without accountability on both sides.

    Okay, I get it. I do believe that sometimes insisting on de-escalation without accountability can lead to false peace, where things are swept under the rug. Those unaddressed issues can easily lead to another conflict, sometime down the line.

    At the same time, I respect your needs in this conflict and understand where you’re coming from. Your need at the moment is for a peaceful environment, not for the past hurt (that was inflicted upon you in this conflict) to be repaired. Would that be a fair statement?

    I feel like your feelings about how you were affected are more important to me than mine

    Please don’t feel like my feelings are more important than yours. You’ve explained what your priority is at the moment, and I respect that. I understand why you feel the way you feel ❤️

    I don’t know how this conflict will end, what will be the outcome, but to be honest, I’m glad that certain things were discussed openly, even if it wasn’t comfortable.

    But I don’t have the need to keep discussing it and proving my point. I’ve mostly said what bothered me, and I also felt I’ve been heard, and that’s what matters the most. I admit, things are not ideal, but that’s okay, I can deal with less than ideal outcomes 🙂

    #449419
    silvery blue
    Participant

    I was very alarmed by Anita’s words, which Tee reposted, especially:

    BELIEVE Me, be on MY SIDE.
    Keep current invalidating people out of my personal space: people who continue my mother’s work of invalidation and judgment.. however politely.

    I am not a native speaker, so I may be wrong, but my mind is reading this as IMPERATIVE, as an ORDER to get rid of anyone who even politely could point to a mistake.

    When we had a little disagreement earlier here in the thread with Alessa, I wrote to her that a good friend actually points to a mistake when they see it. I personally don’t see criticism as a form of invalidation, but a chance to self-reflect. What Anita wrote, and I understand that it is some time ago and I understand that it could be under a lot of emotions, raised a deep fear in me that I will be PUNISHED if I happen to write something, which seems to me now, could be anything… anything that could even just by a mistake be seen as a criticism by Anita.

    I remembered people in my life who threatened me to be “on their side”, otherwise… !!

    I continued reading and the part:

    This is my space—my healing space. I will continue to speak freely here unless Lori, the site owner, or a site moderator asks otherwise.

    And it literally threw me into abyss…

    Sometimes when I was a child and I happened to appear in someone’s “territoty”, which could be a school corridor or a playground for example, I had to obey… or it would end up in punishment…

    I understand that Tee and Alessa felt that the words were attacking them… and when I read that Anita wouldn’t stop unless a formal authority steps in… it really reminded me of some of my bullies… They wouldn’t stop unless an adult, a teacher maybe, showed up… I had a horrible nightmare, full of violence…

    From this point I just couldn’t read anything with clear mind…

    When I read the last reaction to Brandy, I just felt that there is no place for me… only for Anita… I don’t matter at all… because Anita claimed herself “the most wounded” and that she doesn’t need to become more resilient… which is, however, a part of being more responsible for our own emotions, to be resilient and not driven by pain like I did exactly this morning…

    There is no place for me, for my pain, for my needs…. because Anita’s pain and needs are more important and she will not do anything about it. This is what my mind – by this time probably horribly distorted by my own difficulties – understood.

    I am so sorry… I don’t mean bad… I am just explaining what happened inside me…

    I don’t crtiticze you, Anita… butall of us need love, protection and feeling of security…

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