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  • #203475
    Anonymous
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    Dear Cat:

    It’s been a bit over 24 hours since you last posted. I wish I knew how you are feeling, where you are at, and what is going on with you. I hope to read from you soon. I will be by the computer for a bit longer and then be away for about eighteen hours.

    Please take good care of yourself and don’t give up on you!

    anita

    #203617
    Cat
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    My life was going so well. New housemates, friends, boyfriend etc. I was feeling like I could do this!! I am Noel’s first girlfriend. He is a virgin nerd with hygiene problems and severe anxiety…. When I was with him I felt like a child again. I was so open, so honest – our connection was so sensitive. The most sensitive I’ve ever had. Only last Thursday we were on the phone, and said that we were in love with each other.

    Then, lo and behold, I ruin everything with getting drunk, and having a breakdown.

    During my crisis I tried to contact him constantly and try and save the relationship. Didn’t give him space. Kept pushing and pushing and pushing. He eventually called me up, and read out the email to him, about how much I loved him, what he meant in my life etc. He said he only called to get space. And ended up saying that he wasn’t staying in his house because he was scared I’d show up. I said I felt offended, because I thought he knew me. He said he could see why I was offended. He had a go at me because I talk a lot, and was trying to blame me for his anxiety. I didn’t let him. He was angry at me, but wasn’t allowing himself to be angry. He said that he wanted to say how he felt, so I said I was listening – but then he said he felt like hanging up the phone. So I said, fine do it. And he hung up. He then sent me a cold message via fb about how he doesn’t want to be my boyfriend anymore and how he’s made his decision.

    Heartbreaking.

    We were both so emotionally close. The closest and most sensitive I’ve been with someone, and now this…

    I’m on medication, to help me sleep. I’m off work til the 8th May. I have an assessment on the 3rd May to get diagnosed. Been crying a lot. I stopped messaging Noel yesterday. Really pushed him away, now he just thinks that I’m intense, crazy, dangrous, mad etc.

    Huff.

    Cat

    #203693
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    Good to read from you, I was thinking about you before turning on the computer this morning, wondering where you are.

    Reads to me like the end of this short and intense relationship with Noel. Given the fact that he has severe anxiety, as you shared, better for him that the relationship ends and stays in the past.

    You mentioned earlier that during this recent breakdown you were manic, that you didn’t sleep or eat for a couple of days beforehand. In the past you shared how you got excited about a particular music gig and remained excited for days, unable to sleep because you were so excited.

    Is a lot of your emotional experience and either or thing: either a deep depression, a despair or excitement, happiness, joy? Will you share with me more about this dynamic, if it exists for you like I just stated, or otherwise?

    anita

    #203739
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    I read a lot of your posts since the beginning of February, the beginning of this thread. This post I am making now will include only quotes from your posts. They are in chronological order of your posting. A couple have dates attached and a few times, in parenthesis, I added what a pronoun you used is referring to. In my following post, I will give you my most current understanding.

    I think that the following quotes, if you print them and take them to the medical appointment you mentioned, regarding being evaluated and maybe diagnosed, may help the doctor evaluating you.

    “I’m at the lowest point in life…I’m spending my days struggling to see my own worth, depressed and not eating or washing properly. I want to cry but feel like I can’t… I had a lot of suicidal episodes and was using drugs as an escape. My behaviour was erratic. I also went through a lot of love interests/ boyfriends as an escape too, which is something I still do…I went to Chicago depressed and heartbroken… He (Jim) was a very healthy, spiritual individual – and someone I knew I was meant to meet…I met a guy in the crowd – I’ll call him Clarence…I stayed with him in Chicago for 3/4 days, which happened to be the most intense but most spiritual time of my life. This guy seemed to be a mirror of my soul…I felt that we owned the universe, and I felt that he was my soul mate…I had a breakdown that night and my mind couldn’t stop thinking in rhymes…The next night I felt suicidal and reached out/ lashed out at Clarence… I bombarded him with messages, and he blocked me…

    at the moment I am just staying in bed all day trying to find motivation to carry out my goals… I think at the moment I am scared…I can’t remember one time as a child or growing up where I was just allowed to be happy or at peace…it’s like being morally and soulfully contracted to carry out a life under their (parents’) pains and misery… It’s the worst feeling in the world…

    I agree and relate so much: looking for ANYTHING to escape the awful reality of the misery I was born in to… I must’ve been about 6. I remember I have never cried so much in my life. My face was really puffy and blotchy and my Mother had broken my heart. I sat there, and cried for hours an hours. Waiting for her to come and make things okay…. But she never did.

    It was at that moment that I prayed to something – I didn’t know what it was – I wasn’t praying to an idea of God in the sky, or praying to a deity at all – I was just sending a help message out in to the cosmos it seemed. Hoping that my thoughts would be projected somewhere, and something or someone would hear them. It was then, I remember seeing a light through the gaps in my hands, and I remember looking up to the window with the light shining through…

    I hardly remember anything from my childhood either… I too was very detached, a very floaty individual who was just drifting through life allowing myself to get bullied from all angles – school, home life etc…

    Up until recently I suffered from severe, severe depression and anxiety. To the point where I was in bed all the time, feeling too unworthy to even go down in to my kitchen (for real). I’m only really coming out of that now…

    Last night I realised that I have difficulties sleeping as well because I have a really bad pain in my mind. I used to think it was just overthinking, but there is a physical pain. Not sure if you’ve ever experienced anything similar? It keeps me up all night – I’m not sure whether it’s the depression or something else. I grew up with a “lazy eye” – although since my self-progress I’ve actually been using it more and more so I think it is linked to that too…

    in my head I still perceive a lack of will to live almost, and therefore does make it difficult to get out of bed…I either see it (life) with no worth and potential, or I see with so much worth and potential and respect…

    I can have a normal day and be optimistic about my future, then come home and depression/ sad thoughts/ lack of motivation can wash over me like a wave…

    If my sister didn’t suffer, yes my suffering would end. I would feel at peace knowing that she was living a happy life….If she is not the reason I suffer, what is the reason why I suffer? I have guilt from the past, from the person I couldn’t be for my parents…I remember the feeling growing up, of not being good enough for them, not being worthy of love like other children were…When I was young, my great gran died and I stopped listening to music, as a punishment. Because in my head, she couldn’t have the joy of listening to music anymore…

    I used to get called Selfish all the time, just for doing fun things that made me happy Even when I tried to help my mum would be like “no it’s fine, I’ll do it”. So I could never win…

    I still see myself as being the bad one, or the reason why everything is messed up in my family. My heart does hurt a lot, just from all of it… Sometimes I can’t even cry. Sometimes I just feel this heavy feeling in my heart that stays with me for a few days…They definitely instilled that idea that I’m a bad person if I don’t suffer too, that I’m a bad person if I focus on myself or did things that I loved…I feel like if I try and get close to people or be nice then they’ll think that I’m trying to hurt them or something

    Feb 28 I’ve been feeling manic since Thursday…Literally, I haven’t been able to sleep because I’ve been so positive…when I’m manic/ fixated on something… I tend to just get fixated on what it is that is making me manic, and staying in my pjamas being obsessed…I’ve been super confident this week, again, as I said it felt like I was on ecstasy with how much confidence and positivity I was feeling…I’ve been really quite high. And haven’t been able to sleep properly as too excited – like a child at christmas…

    March 20: I have recently encountered a new friendship that is so honest, and so pure, and so respectful. That every conversation we have is mindful and respectful and understanding. In a way, it is one of the most emotionally open, honest and close relationships I’ve had…In the past month I have developed a relationship with a guy – we shall call him Noel. We talk openly about emotions…Sometimes I feel as though I have never met anyone with a more beautiful soul…

    April 9:  most of the time I am spending my time messaging my friends, and giving them support, about their own emotional problems via facebook. I have spent the past 2 days – literally. Sending a lot of messages, having a lot of phone calls in order to try and sort out a situation between my two friends..

    * April 20, breakdown

    #203741
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    You wrote before you met Noel: “I feel like if I try and get close to people or be nice then they’ll think that I am trying to hurt them or something”- this fear is based on your false core belief that you are a bad person. Being a bad person means that you will harm others (by definition of bad).

    The latest experience with Noel promotes this false core belief, that you are a bad person, harmful to others.

    I believe it is important that you stay away from intimate relationships for a long while because you don’t need any more encouragement, or “proof” of this core belief.

    I believe that it is important for your mental well being that you are cautious about your interactions with others, and while being assertive, that you will be careful to not be harmful to others. When in doubt (about whether you are harmful), stay away from a person, withdraw all contact.

    I think that it is and will be difficult for you, for a long while, to distinguish between being assertive and aggressive (fearing to be passive and submissive you are likely to go overboard and be aggressive), this is why I suggest that you stay away from intimate relationships for a long while, and that you withdraw when in doubt.

    Your core belief that you are a bad person, harmful to others, has to be challenged, evaluated and changed in therapy. This core belief will not allow you to live a good life. After all, it is in the belief itself that a bad person does not deserve to live a good life.

    Reads to me that indeed you shift from depression to mania, as you indicated yourself in the use of the word mania/manic. I think that the brain gets tired of the ongoing painful depression, takes its breaks from it via mania, prolongs the mania as long as possible and then crashes into depression.

    Having lived your life “very detached, a very  floaty individual who was just drifting through life allowing myself to get bullied from all angles” has resulted in you being angry and aggressive at times, going to the other extreme of passivity. Understandably you are angry at having been mistreated while drifting through life. You will have to learn to be not passive and not aggressive, but assertive.

    Also, better stop trying to help others with their problems and focus on yourself. The incessant efforts to help others, seems to me, is part of the mania, and so, it is not healthy for you.

    You placed Clarence and Noel and the beginning relationship you had with them on a spiritual pedestal where neither one belonged. This is one reason why I believe you should stay away from intimate relationships for a long while. The moment you see a man you just met as “a mirror of my soul”, “my soul mate” and “a beautiful soul”, I see trouble to come.

    And last, for now (I may add later, definitely will if you communicate with me about the quotes above and this very post), I will attend to this little sentence you wrote: “my Mother had broken my heart”. Notice you wrote Mother, capital m.

    My Mother, the Most important person in My life, the one I loved more than anything, broke my heart too. It is about that betrayal I mentioned to you earlier.

    anita

     

     

    #203761
    Cat
    Participant

    He’s the love of my life Anita :'(

    #203841
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    How are you today?

    anita

    #203867
    Cat
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I am not ready to read your words yet – as all the emotion has been way too much….

    I came to this realisation last night that I need to live for myself. Every morning I need to get up, put on my style and my eyeliner, write lyrics and practice guitar. These are the things that make me feel like myself, although I hold myself back from doing them so much.

    At some point when I’m ready I will read back through all your unanswered messages, and reply – of course.

    Right now I know I need to grow and focus on me and channelling my anger into my music and lyrics.

    Today I woke up, had a bath, put on my style, and then killed the ants that were in my larder and gave it a good clean (been meaning to do this). I’ve started doing housework again, which is good.

    My assessment is on the 3rd May. I go back to work on the 8th.

    For now, I am staying awake from Facebook and staying away from that group of people etc. In the past I’ve tried so hard for forgiveness/ acceptance. I’ve done what I can – apologised/ explained etc etc. And it was clear that I was distraught about it too. But enough is enough – I’ve done a lot as a friend for all of that group – and so now it’s my turn to step away – whether they will acknowledge that I am a good person or not, is up to them/ the Universe to decide.

    As for now – I am aiming to live each day true my creative core, and learning to love that, despite people judging me for how I dress. [Wearing punk style, make up and playing guitar is the only thing that makes my soul feel happy and free ]-

    As soon as I typed the last bit in [ ] a wagtail bird smacked against my window. A sign from the Universe, I know it. I just know that I’m meant to channel all this emotion in to punk, I can just feel it – I just have to be brave enough to do it.

    Cat

    #203871
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    I understand you not being in the state of mind to read and answer my recent messages to you and that is fine with me, of course it is. I am interested in your well-being and it is not helpful to you at this point to attend to my messages. So please don’t.

    Your plan reads good to me, helpful, to “focus on me and channeling my anger into music and lyrics… doing housework again… staying away from Facebook and staying away from that group of people…to step away”.

    Post again anytime.

    anita

     

    #205195
    Cat
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I hope this message finds you well.

    I am still not strong enough to read back through your messages yet – but believe me when I say, I will when I’m ready.

    I am processing a lot, and coming to terms with a lot. To the point where I am at this critical moment in my life where I know all the things that I need to face.

    You know my history – and the psychological abuse I have drilled in to my head by my parents. From recent events I have had quite a harsh awakening to what is going on in my mind :'( I am intense with people, and focus on others too much – because the reality is, when I am by myself, when I am calm – I hear their voices. I hear voices, about myself. “Awful” “Selfish” “Loves himself” “crazy” “normal” and many other things :'( These voices are pretty consistent throughout my waking hours.

    It upsets me when I think about it, but this is my reality and it hurts like hell.
    Growing up, it was drilled in to me that I was selfish if I lived for myself – or did things for my own enjoyment. Which is why I can’t play videogames anymore. To the point where I feel selfish if I wash or shower etc.

    Positive note – I made the decision the other today to wake up and live for myself. Since doing so, I have been washing, putting on clothes, reading, playing guitar etc. And slowly practicing living for myself, and if my mind drifts off to other people, I put the focus back on to my own life again.

    It is so hard Anita. So hard.

    All my life I’ve been looking for someone to tell me that it’s okay to live for myself, and that I’m not selfish. I’ve been looking for so long for someone to tell me that. Please can you confirm this as well for me??

    I have my mental health assessment tomorrow.
    I will give you and update afterwards.

    Cat

    #205199
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    It is okay for you to live for yourself. Absolutely. It  is  the right thing for you to live for yourself.

    Your well-being is the  most important thing in your life, your primary responsibility. Your well-being should be your highest priority. Attend to it as the number one  item in your life. Always, number 1.

    I am well, thank you. It is very good to read from you!

    Regarding  your health assessment appointment  tomorrow, I was wondering if my second April 23 post to you (starts with: “I read a lot of your posts..) which includes quotes from your thread, will help in the assessment. I am referring  only to the quotes, your own words. Maybe if you print that or copy and paste into an email, that might be helpful, to see your thoughts  and feelings over time, in your own words.

    What  you wrote is  very  profound: “I am intense with  people, and focus on others too much- because the reality is, when I  am by  myself, when  I am calm- I hear their (parents’) voices… ‘Awful’ ‘Selfish’…These voices are pretty  consistent throughout my waking hours”

    I know these  voices, still hear them. But not as  loud, not as  often. It took a lot  of time and work,  lot of being mindful, and then, being more  mindful and patient, to identify the voices even when the  words  are not  clear, to counter them with reasonable, true thoughts and later,  to recognize the voices and disengage. Healing  is possible, still ongoing for me. And it is just as  you wrote it  is, “so hard..  So hard.”

    This healthy decision you made the  other day, “to wake  up and live  for myself”- it will take  making this  decision every day, multiple times  per day.

    Live  for yourself,  Cat. It is the best  thing you can do.

    Looking  forward  to your next post.

    anita

    #206001
    Cat
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I hope this message finds you well and in good health.

    I had my mental health assessment last Wednesday – I showed the assessor the post that you said too as well.
    I told her everything, and was diagnosed with ‘borderline personality disorder’ – I have been recommended CBT and also to go on antipsychotics before bed, which will hopefully help with the voices and help me to sleep.

    At the moment, life is both great but bad at the same time. It’s great because from everything thats happened, I feel as though I am even more strongly connected to my faith/ the Universe at the moment, which is picking me up when I feel low. I reconnect with this faith when I feel overwhelmed, and I send my worries, wishes and prayers out to the universe. At the moment I am coming to terms with my diagnosis and recognising how that has affected me and my relationships throughout my life… It’s hard to explain, but sometimes I am very much in tune and have great self esteem about my life and the person I am, but other times I feel unmotivated and lack self-esteem in all areas of my life…. In these periods I have learnt not to fight it anymore, but to accept that feeling and sit with it until it passes.

    In terms of living for myself, I guess I find that hard. Especially because I care so much about other people and the world, and for a long time I’ve felt like it is selfish for me to be healthy, give myself treats etc. when I know that so many others in the world are starving, or not able to live a life as privileged and free as mine is. In a way I guess I have been suffering for solidarity – be it for my parents, sister, children in sweatshops across the globe, abused animals and children etc etc. I find it hard not to think about these things. Can you relate to this?

    I said the other day, that I chose to wake up and live for something else – and for me, that was punk. I am still striving to stay true to this, and to wake up every morning in devotion to my life, and to devotion to the hope that maybe one day I will be able to have the talent and confidence to be in a band and raising even more awareness about issues I just mentioned. I tell myself this when I need to eat. I know I must eat for myself, and be healthy for myself, but if my health and ability eventually leads to being able to make a difference in the world – then that to me is motivation.

    It is hard. Very hard. Putting myself first in each moment and not feeling selfish or guilty doing so. I have had to reduce my  contact with people so I am not focusing on them at all. I’ve stopped doing promotion – because I was putting so much worth in other bands and artists, whereas now I need to be doing that for myself. I have deactivated my facebook account, because it isn’t healthy for me, and going on there just reminds me of Noel and the intensity of messages, and how things ended etc. My life has gotten better without it, so I intend to never go back on.

    It feels like… I am in the process of letting go of the person I thought I should be, and working towards the person that I want to be. Very strange feeling. Very strange and a consistent effort.

    I have also reduced contact with my sister. Before my breakdown, and whilst, she would call me up crying with despair about her relationship with her wife. This happens ALOT. And all it brings me is heartache, despair, and constant worry about her wellbeing. I have tried many times to give her advice, and sent her loads of links to helplines, womens refuges etc. But she hasn’t taken it upon herself to do that. I have mixed emotions about it all – as a sister I love her, and I am sorry for what she had to go through as a child. I want her to be well, and a part of me feels responsible for her.

    Then at the same time, the way that she speaks is extremely adamant, harsh and hard-hearted and I find it difficult to communicate with her when I am in a state of overcoming those things in myself. If that makes sense. I feel as though she is trapped in a mental cycle of believing who she is/ believing that that is her life forever. As much as I can try, I do not think that anything I can say or do can help her change herself or her life – she must have the willpower to do that by herself – do you agree with me on this?

    I also think that her having a co-dependent relationship with me, wouldn’t be good for either of us as well. I try and explain these things to her sometimes, but she gets funny and sees it as me abandoning her and then threatens to stop the relationship. It is hard to say the least….. I have experienced abuse from her in the past, and sometimes I do debate whether I should have her in my life or not. She expects me to help and provide all the answers, but I can’t. Because it pulls me in to that unhealthy dynamic which I am strongly trying to overcome in my life.

    At the moment we are communicating via email. I will see how it goes.

    Your thoughts on all this will be much appreciated,
    Thank you,

    Cat

    #206089
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    I am well, thank you.

    You wrote that you were prescribed “antipsychotics before bed, which will hopefully help with the voices”- when talking about voices so far, I referred to the “inner critic” voice, or voices, that is, we know these are our thoughts, not an outside real person talking to us.. Are you referring here to any other kind of voices here?

    You wrote that you are coming to terms with your new diagnosis and recognizing “how that has affected me and my relationships throughout my life”. Do you mean that you believe that you were born with this diagnosis, that is, that as a child you suffered from Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD)?

    You wrote: “I know that so many others in the world are starving, or not able to live a life as privileged and free as mine is“- the reality for most people these days is not lack of food. For many millions reality is too much food is available and consumed. What is lacking in our world is mental health, and so, the great majority of people who are starving, are starving for mental health, not for food.

    You wrote that you are privileged and free. Are you, really?

     

    Regarding putting yourself first and not feeling selfish or guilty for doing so, I think that your motivation is to be a good person. And you think that to be good you must stop others from suffering and suffer with them until they stop suffering.

    But what if this is not what it means to be a good person? What if being a good person means something else.

    Regarding helping your sister, well, you didn’t help her. You tried but couldn’t. Back to the meaning, or definition of being a good person. What if being a good person meant that you don’t try to help her, is it possible?

    anita

     

    #206541
    Cat
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’m glad that you are well.

    It isn’t just nightmares, but I get extreme nightmares as well, which I am hoping the antipsychotics will help with.
    With the voices – I hear them in the voices of my parents and other people. In the past I strongly believed that people were talking about me or thinking about me – always just comments about me. I think this is more than the inner critic voice, as sometimes I literally HEAR them.

    With the nightmares – I get them really bad. They are intense and I wake up in a really rough depressed mood, even if I can’t remember what happened. Most of the time in them I am trying to make someone listen, or I am trying to save something or someone. Sometimes it is about saving animals from being abused. Sometimes my parents have been in them. I am ALWAYS trying to be listened to.

    No, I don’t think I was born with it. I think that I had severe depression growing up because of being witness and victim to my parents abuse. I think that BPD developed…. maybe in my teens? It’s hard to say really. I was always very dissociated from myself growing up, through my teens and some of my teenage years. It was only at the age of 18/19 that I started self-analysis.

    Could you elaborate on what you mean? There’s a lack of mental health? What do you mean by this, and do you see this as a root cause problem in society?

    In terms of being priviledged and free – I guess I think that because I live in Western Society. I live in a city where there is so much opportunity. I have food available me constantly in so many shops. I can buy cigarettes. I cna get a bus or get a train, I can get a plane. I can choose my job etc. Is this not privileged? What is your opinion on this?

    I feel so lucky in comparison to the poor children in sweatshops across the world.

    Free – I guess I am free to express myself as I want to – with what I write, wear, say etc. The only thing I fear is judgement and bullies. But apart from that, I am free, there isn’t a strict regime that means I cannot do any of these things.

    My motivation really is to be a good person. I guess that’s my motivation…. I have another desire within me… I think it’s a desire to express myself FULLY. As I don’t feel like I have reached that yet. OR my desire is to be able to see myself with CLEARNESS and CLARITY and get a good grasp on who I am.

    What do you think it means to be a good person?

    RE: my sister – she said that talking to me helps her :'( But hearing that makes me sad, to think that I might be the only thing in her life that is giving her joy. I love her. But it’s so hard for me to be in that position of getting the phonecalls of her in tears. I feel like I’m being an awful sister by distancing myself from her for a while. It’s just so much pressure on me to know that she’s in that position – but then have her not do anything about it. It feels like its my responsibility. Is it??? What should I do in this situation? She needs to learn to be able to depend on herself and her own strength. Very difficult position to be in.

    Cat

    #206627
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Cat:

    “Most of the time in them (nightmares) I am trying to make someone listen… I am ALWAYS trying to be listened to”-

    The little girl that you still are, that little girl afraid and alone. She needs help, someone to listen to her and help her.

    “or I am trying to save something or someone. Sometimes it is about saving animals from being abused”- the little girl, afraid and alone, needs to be saved.

    I agree, BPD has developed over time, the symptoms came together to form that collection-of-symptoms, that diagnosis.

    Yes, I do see the lack of mental health the root cause problem in society, absolutely. At the root of this lack is aggression perpetrated by parents toward their children.

    Regarding the privilege of having accessible, affordable food, means of transportation, yes, these are privileges. You can have enough food in your stomach and get from point A to point B fast and easy enough getting on a train or a plane. But what about the privilege to not have nightmares? What about the privilege of a peace of mind in the morning, at mid day, at night and the next morning?

    Regarding helping your sister: you haven’t helped her, have you; is her mental health better because of your help? I don’t think so.

    When we are unwell, we only imagine that we are helping others. For example, you were good and helpful to Noel for a while, but then you weren’t, ended up hurting him. This is because we cannot help others when we are not well.

    We delude ourselves thinking otherwise. At times we are helpful, feeding a stray cat, for example. But then, anyone and everyone is helpful sometimes, here and there, those random acts of kindness. But to be helpful on an ongoing basis, in the context of a relationship, that takes mental health.

    A person cannot help but hurt others when he or she is unwell. If not overtly then covertly, if not with aware than unaware.

    And so, to be a good person is to get well.

    anita

     

     

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