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  • #426774
    Blazkowich
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    My girlfriend of 5 months just broke up with me 2 weeks ago. I am 22 an she’s 19. Our relationship started as long distance we didn’t meet a lot of times but we used to talk daily for hours whenever we had time. A thing about her I noticed was that she would get depressed sometimes and stonewall me for 2-3 days.

    Ever since her cat passed away which was 2 months ago she has been grieving, sometimes she would show a lot of love and appreciation and sometimes she asks for space but recently she was so overwhelmed that she left me. Her exact words before leaving me was that the fact that I am there caring for her is hurting her, and that she wants to be alone for a long long while, but I am afraid she’s just hurting herself by doing this. She didn’t even talk to her bestfriend of 8 years since 2 months and is constantly isolating herself.

    I even met her after her cat passed away and she constantly reassured me and talked about future plans. It started a month ago when she asked for space again and I gave it to her and one day she said she’s unable to handle the relationship, and she feels like this cold evil person who is unable to reciprocate any love, and that she loves me but is unable to express it. I gave her space again and then after a month of infrequent communication she left me. We had a fight and I kind of exploded because I was bottling up so many stuff. She was also offended over the fact that I advised her to visit a therapist.

    I contacted her friends and they told me how she got drunk, danced around, ran like a maniac and cried her heart out calling her pet cat’s name who passed away and then puked all over. I am genuinely concerned for her but I feel so helpless unable to do anything for her, she doesn’t even respond to messages or calls.

    The breakup is affecting me a lot but now I am genuinely concerned for her health because I feel at this rate she will just continue to ruin her health.

    #426777
    anita
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    Dear Blazkowich:

    You read like a caring young man who is indeed genuinely concerned for the mental well-being of your ex-girlfriend: “I am genuinely concerned for her health because I feel at this rate she will just continue to ruin her health“.

    I’d like to start this reply with the Serenity Prayer (I am not religious, but the principle in the prayer is what I am getting to), it says: “God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.

    Reads like her mental health is not something that you can change for the better (“I feel so helpless unable to do anything for her“), so aim to accept her mental health as it is with as much serenity as you are able, simply because you can’t make it better. On the other hand, your own mental health is something that you can change to one extent or another, so do what you can to help your own mental health.

    Second (I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes), “she would get depressed sometimes and stonewall me for 2-3 days… sometimes she would show a lot of love and appreciation and sometimes she asks for space but recently she was so overwhelmed that she left me. Her exact words before leaving me was that the fact that I am there caring for her is hurting her, and that she wants to be alone for a long, long while, but I am afraid she’s just hurting herself by doing this”-

    – I believe that she is correct about the relationship hurting her, not because you were a bad boyfriend, but because her emotions within the relationship are too much for her, and she gets overwhelmed, sort of submerged under water because of a heavy weight on top of her, unable to breathe. So, clearly, the healthy thing for her to do at this point is to take a break, a very long break, like she said.

    It doesn’t mean that because of the break, she  suddenly becomes mentally healthy; it means that having a break from the relationship is necessary for her to hopefully heal over time.

    If you insist that she interacts with you, if you pressure her and/ or if you do not completely respect her wish for no contact, you will be adding more hurt to her mind and life.

    “She didn’t even talk to her best friend of 8 years since 2 months and is constantly isolating herself... and one day she said she’s unable to handle the relationship, and she feels like this cold evil person who is unable to reciprocate any love, and that she loves me but is unable to express it“-

    – Overwhelmed as in submerged under water, she can’t breathe, so she can’t love. But on top of that, she is weighed down by the guilt of not being able to love, or to express love. This is why she isolates herself, so to get a relief from the guilt and from how awkward it feels to be emotionally handicapped in this way.

    “She was also offended over the fact that I advised her to visit a therapist. I contacted her friends and they told me how she got drunk, danced around, ran like a maniac and cried her heart out calling her pet cat’s name who passed away and then puked all over”-

    – You did what you could: you advised her to seek a therapist and you contacted her friends. Do you think that there is yet something else for you to do for the purpose of helping her?

    anita

    #426780
    Blazkowich
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    I can try to be there as a friend if the relationship is the issue. Before her cat passed away she used to put in efforts, sometimes a lot but everything changed after the passing this is why I am still hopeful that she’ll return, she just doesn’t seem like herself anymore ever since the passing and I am unable to see her in this state. Maybe I can try to gift her a new pet but I don’t think that will help in the long run.

    Honestly I don’t know what to do anymore or even if there is something I can do, but I would prefer waiting over moving-on from this relationship and the thought that she can do something harmful scares me even more. What would you suggest?

    #426782
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Blazkowich:

    Everything changed after the passing this is why I am still hopeful that she’ll return“- You are hoping that once enough time passes from the time she lost of her cat, once she adequately grieves the loss, she will be back to the way she was with you prior to the loss (“she would get depressed sometimes and stonewall me for 2-3 days“), which is better than no contact with you at all. Do I understand correctly? Would it be okay with resuming a relationship where you are being stonewalled for 2-3 days at a time?

    I can try to be there as a friend if the relationship is the issue”- Question is can you succeed in being there for her as a friend; can you hold back all romantic and physical attraction to her and be there for her as a platonic friend in-practice, day in and day out over a potentially extended period of time?

    “Honestly I don’t know what to do anymore or even if there is something I can do, but I would prefer waiting over moving-on from this relationship and the thought that she can do something harmful scares me even more. What would you suggest?”-

    – I don’t think that you are emotionally ready to move on, so I wouldn’t suggest that you move on. As far as trying to help her as a friend, before I suggest more, I will wait for your answers to the above, and ask you one more question: did she express suicidal thoughts to you or to anyone else, any gestures in that regard.. and is her drinking and getting drunk a usual occurrence, best you know?

    anita

    #426783
    Blazkowich
    Participant

    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Do I understand correctly? Would it be okay with resuming a relationship where you are being stonewalled for 2-3 days at a time?- In my opinion since I just want her, I would be okay with that. I can only hope she changes that.</p>
    can you hold back all romantic and physical attraction to her and be there for her as a platonic friend in-practice, day in and day out over a potentially extended period of time?- if it means getting to check up on her and see her, I can control not showing it to her though I know deep in my heart that the reason I want to check up on her is because I love her but I can keep it platonic if that’s what it takes.
    <p style=”text-align: left;”>Also no, this is the first time she got drunk, she never even expressed the desire to get drunk, and I don’t think that’s the issue, the issue is that she got drunk to cope with the loss and I am afraid if she gets into drugs for the same reason. I don’t think she’s suicidal but these things can harm her in other ways. Am I being too concerned here?</p>
    I would be lying if I say that I want to stay connected for any selfless reason, ever since the breakup I am unable to sleep or do any tasks.

    Thank you for the advice.

    #426784
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Blazkowich:

    You are welcome. You answered that you are okay with going back to the way the relationship was, but you’d be hoping that it’d change, that you are able to keep a relationship with her platonic, that she got drunk only once, and that you don’t think that she is suicidal.

    I would be lying if I say that I want to stay connected for any selfless reason, ever since the breakup I am unable to sleep or do any tasks“- you read like an emotionally honest person, and you are indeed grieving the breakup.

    I am afraid if she gets into drugs… these things can harm her in other ways. Am I being too concerned here?“- it is encouraging that she doesn’t have a history of alcohol and drug abuse or a history of suicidal ideation and gestures. On the other hand, there is no predicting what a person would do. If she got back with you and seemed to be doing well for months, it’d still possible that she’d seriously, even fatally hurt herself. There is simply no predicting.

    I don’t know what messages you sent her which she ignored. I think that sending her a typed message on paper, like a traditional letter perhaps, might make sense, a message where you express your willingness and promise to be a platonic friend and nothing more, no matter how you feel. No expectations, expressing your genuine concern for her and offering to do specific things for her so to help her, practically helpful things to make her life easier at this time, and/ or asking her what kinds of practical help she needs help with. I wouldn’t suggest therapy for her because she already rejected that, r anything else that you already suggested and which she rejected.

    What do you think of my suggestion?

    anita

    #426798
    Blazkowich
    Participant

    Actually another thing I forgot to mention is that she broke up with me in the middle of her exams, she wasn’t in contact for like a week and I had to contact her friend which kind of offended her because she isn’t really close to her Dorm friends. But she did clarify that she isn’t breaking up because of that.  She gets really irritated during her tests.

     

    Ever since the fight she’s even more irritated I know I shouldn’t have said some stuff which I did during our fight but it just came out because I was bottling it up for a month or so.

     

    The traditional letter idea is good, I was thinking of the same thing but to apologise for the stuff I said during the fight. I am also thinking of meeting her and clarifying some stuff like what exactly in the relationship is burdening and if my presence as a friend without any expectations would be burdening as well. Or does she want me to go completely no contact etc. Because these thoughts keep on spiralling in my head and are affecting me a lot.

     

    When she asked me for space I would usually drop a message each day explaining my day, and usual stuff. Initially she came back to me on her own after asking for space but after she asked me for space the second time she started bringing seperation because she couldn’t handle the relationship. After that I gave her space again and then she broke up with me during her exams when I contacted her friend because I had no idea what’s going on.

     

    I am just afraid of completely losing her, going back to complete strangers.

    #426801
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Blazkwich:

    First, I want to say that I am sorry for the heartbreak you are going through. Although this has been a short and turbulent relationship, you grew very attached to her and therefore, you have been suffering a lot. I hope that you will feel better and better soon enough.

    Next, I will be re-reading your original post and the posts that followed, as well as the most recent, quoting from what you shared and typing away my thoughts about the quotes. This is what I normally do in threads I reply to.

    (I am the one adding the boldface feature to the quotes): “My girlfriend of 5 months just broke up with me…  Our relationship started as long distance we didn’t meet a lot of times but we used to talk daily for hours whenever we had time… she would get depressed sometimes and stonewall me for 2-3 days… I gave her space again and then after a month of infrequent communication she left me… she broke up with me in the middle of her exams, she wasn’t in contact for like a week “-

    – The five months relationship did not include a lot of meetings in-person, maybe only a few (?), and within these 5 months there were times of no communication for periods of 2-3 days to a week. This is a short (however long it may feel to you) and unstable relationship from the get go. Seems like the closeness, in terms of time spent together, was mostly in those hours long talks on the phone.

    Let’s look at the nature and intensity of your emotional attachment to her, an attachment formed within those 5 months: “I even met her after her cat passed away and she constantly reassured me and talked about future plans”- this means that you were anxious about her ending the relationship and she reassured you that she was not ending the relationship, that there was a future to it.

    ” We had a fight and I kind of exploded because I was bottling up so many stuff“- there were a lot of distressing thoughts and emotions within you about this (objectively) very short relationship.

    “The breakup is affecting me a lot but now I am genuinely concerned for her health because I feel at this rate she will just continue to ruin her health…  she just doesn’t seem like herself anymore ever since the passing and I am unable to see her in this state…  the thought that she can do something harmful scares me..  no, this is the first time she got drunk… I don’t think she’s suicidal but these things can harm her in other ways. Am I being too concerned here?.. ever since the breakup I am unable to sleep or do any tasks“-

    – Seems like there are no objective reasons to be concerned for her health since she has no history or pattern of alcohol or drug abuse, does not experience suicidal thoughts that you are aware of,  and she is busy being a student (as opposed to being idle, doing nothing). Seems like you are projecting your experience into her: that it is you who are in this state, that you don’t seem like himself, and that it is your health may be ruined if you continue to suffer from lack of sleep and motivation in every day tasks.

    Blazkwich, did you hear or read about Attachment Styles, particularly the anxious attachment style? There is a lot of online information about it as well as books and workbooks aimed to educate and help individuals with this attachment style. Here is just a bit about it from psychology today: “The anxious attachment style is always concerned about the stability or security of the relationship. People with this attachment style tend to agonize over the meaning of words or actions by a partner. They read negatives into otherwise neutral or positive interactions. They also tend to crave constant reassurance that the relationship is secure, and the affection and love are still present”- any of this reads familiar to you, as far as your experience in romantic relationships?

    anita

    #426807
    Blazkowich
    Participant

    Yes we’ve met only three times in person, whenever she came to my city or I visited hers. We used to video call everyday to make up for the distance. There were sometimes a lack of communication from her end but it didn’t stretch till a week, before the passing of her cat she used to be irregular but she used to put in efforts. Even before our first in person date she got depressed and didn’t talk properly for a day.

     

    Yes she doesn’t have any history of drug abuse but normally she won’t be getting drunk just for the sake of letting it lose, and ever since her cat died she’s been saying stuff like “what’s even the point of this” and been acting really cold. Even avoiding people but last time I talked to her she said she’s trying her best to be “normal”.

     

    The breakup is affecting me a lot because I am really attached to her. It’s been affecting my physical health too. And the constant worry of how she’s doing or if she’s gone forever makes it even worse.

     

    Yes I know, my attachment style is anxious while her’s is avoidant probably.

     

    Let’s look at the nature and intensity of your emotional attachment to her, an attachment formed within those 5 months: “I even met her after her cat passed away and she constantly reassured me and talked about future plans”- this means that you were anxious about her ending the relationship and she reassured you that she was not ending the relationship, that there was a future to it.- Yeah because after the passing of her cat she started saying stuff like “I need to back away from everything”, I got really worried because of that prior to that I was never so insecure about the status of our relationship.

     

    One thing which keeps bothering me is that before the breakup she said she’s just tired and exhausted and doesn’t wanna try anymore. And the very fact that I am here caring for her is burdening, I keep spiralling and thinking should I have not done that? Should I have not tried to support her or offer any care?

    #426808
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Blazkwich:

    “One thing which keeps bothering me is that before the breakup she said she’s just tired and exhausted and doesn’t wanna try anymore. And the very fact that I am here caring for her is burdening, I keep spiraling and thinking should I have not done that? Should I have not tried to support her or offer any care?”-

    – likely, the relationship would have ended for one reason or another because relationships often end. Even decades-long relationships too often drastically change and end for any one reason or multiples of reasons. It is a reality that we have to accept because (like the serenity prayer I quoted in my first reply), we can’t change this reality.

    In regard to what I boldfaced above, it is true that when one person in a relationship cares too much about not being abandoned by the other, repeatedly asking for reassurances and overreacting to the other person, that it becomes burdensome. It may feel for the young woman in this case (I imagine) as if she has a responsibility that she does not want to have: to reassure you, to calm your worries.. like having a young boy in her life, and having to mother him…

    Does this make sense to you?

    anita

    #426810
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Blazkwich:

    I want to add before leaving the computer for a while, that things are not as bad as you feel them to be. One day, maybe soon, you will feel so MUCH better than you feel. Also, you can learn from your experience and behave in more effective ways in the future. Keep in mind that none of us is perfect, we all make mistakes, and we are .. in this life together. You are not alone!

    anita

    #426811
    Blazkowich
    Participant

    Does this make sense to you?

    It does but I didn’t really ask for any reassurance other than that incident. I’ll just ask her in person but is there even anything I can do? Should I try to stay connected or try to move on? I know I cannot move-on as of now and are my concerns regarding her health even valid? Is there anything I can do to help her without burdening her? I am lost.

    #426812
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Blazkowich:

    Should I try to stay connected…?“- I think that it’d be best if you do not initiate any contact with her. If she initiates contact with you, you can talk with her then, but not before.

    Are my concerns regarding her health even valid?“- I see no valid reason to worry about her health. I think that you should focus on your health.

    Is there anything I can do to help her without burdening her?“- yes, you can help her by respecting her expressed wish to not have contact with you and do not contact her. If she contacts you, then you can ask her how you can help her.

    And remember, you are in need for help at this point. Try to accept her choice with as much serenity as you can, and post here again any time you’d like to.

    I am wondering, do you have any social support available for you irl?

    anita

     

    #426853
    Blazkowich
    Participant

    <p style=”text-align: left;”>I have support, but I still am unable to figure out how can someone leave me because they’re grieving. Throughout the relationship I always tried to support her, respected her boundaries and gave her space whenever she got busy with something but I still got abandoned like this and I don’t know what to do anymore because I was serious about her.</p>

    #426854
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Blazkowich:

    It is a good thing that you have social support irl.

    I was wondering but didn’t ask you before in regard to this part of what you shared in your original post: “We had a fight and I kind of exploded because I was bottling up so many stuff“- what did you say to her/ what did you do during that kind-of- explosion?

    anita

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