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January 6, 2023 at 11:26 am #413297HelcatParticipant
Hi Eric
I’m sorry for my late reply. It was nothing to do with you, I just haven’t been feeling well.
I’d just like to say that I’ve been really impressed by how you have been thinking more positively. It’s a welcome surprise seeing how you’ve grown from 3 months ago.
Yes, sensitivity and self awareness are the good part of your overthinking trait. As you continue to learn how to manage your anxiety you’ll find that your overthinking trait will evolve into a thinking trait. There are lots of benefits to being a thoughtful person.
I think some anxiety about your relationship is expected. It’s natural to be nervous when meeting your partner’s family for example. I was nervous meeting my husband’s family too.
You asked for advise about questions to ask. I don’t think I ask many questions except for “How are you?” or about their job. But I do pay attention to things that I might be able to relate to. For example, if they liked a similar media. Or listening to your partner if she mentions something about them. Jumping into a conversation when someone mentions something relevant to your interests will be helpful. Most of all, what parents really want is for you to treat their daughter well. That is all they care about. Something else I do is try to help out. For example, if they are babysitting I play with the baby. If they need groceries, I help with picking them up. If they’re cooking, I wash the dishes or help with food prep.
I hope this helps! 🙏
January 7, 2023 at 9:19 am #413337AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
Thank you for your honest opinion….
what makes you feel reassured is not good for her mental health because it is not only demanding, but terribly unfair to her to have to pretend to always feel the same: to always happily receive your texts and reply immediately, to always look and sound happy when she is around you, especially if she ends up being around you a lot. It would be distressing and exhausting for her, and it will make her sick.
Anytime she reassures you, it will calm you temporarily, but sooner than later, you will need another reassurance; similar to what I mentioned to you before, in regard to your itches (obsessions or worries) needing to be scratched.
= No, its not that she has to pretend to always feel the same…. it’s just that she never asks how im doing or something like that…. i’ll always be the one asking her…. But if i think about it again, i should be grateful although she never asks about how im doing “this day or something like that”…. she’s not a person who likes to seeks attention
I used to have a crush on a girl who seeks attention a lot and it causes me to think a lot, but this one is different…. that is why im very grateful…. i should’ve look on the bigger picture…. that’s why im started to accept her personality….. This is my first time in relationships, so i need time to adapt and learn….
Also i never realize that “reassurance” from her is also an “itches”….. and thank you for reminding, that way i can control my mind to not have an addiction of being reassured…. just like how i minimize my mind to not get addicted of scratches….
I repeatedly suggested that you seek counseling/ psychotherapy or see a doctor for the purpose of healing and managing your “overthinking and insecurity” (your words, the title of this thread), but you refused to seek professional help. Most recently, I suggested that you get a workbook (The Attachment Theory Workbook, The Mindfulness Workbook For Anxiety), but you expressed no interest in it.
= I’ve tried watching several youtube videos regarding mindfulness for anxiety….. i guess i’ll try watching more videos…..
I used to also buy books on helping myself, such as self-improvement book, overthinking books…. but i always end up reading only a little part of it….. i guess i’ll have to change that habit and start reading it…
I really am sorry that you are suffering from overthinking and insecurity, I know how painful it is. But you are the one who is supposed to do something about it: to seek professional help or at the least, start your work in a self-help context (a workbook). It is not your girlfriend’s job to heal you (she can’t, no matter how hard she tries!), and it is not my job to heal you (I can’t no matter how hard I try…). It is your job, your responsibility. Otherwise, you will continue to suffer, and worse: you will cause your girlfriend to suffer unnecessarily.
= yes, it is indeed painful….
Thank you for reminding me that it is my responsibility to help myself…..
It’s just that i dont have an interactive environment, so i dont really have someone to seek advices from…. that’s why i feel happy that i can share here….. and i’m also trying to find ways to have an interactive environment for me, i used to complain a lot about my city, but some things have changed…. i’m quite happy in my workplace/office now…. and im starting to understand adulthood little by little……
I dont want her to suffer due to my overthinking, that’s why im trying my best to improve myself for her…. I know overthinking & insecurity is very hard to get rid of….. cause everyday there could be a new overthinking/insecurity that came….. I’m trying my best to not entertain those issues in my head……
One of the ways that i gain through experience that can distract overthinking/insecurity is by doing activities/something we are ok with….. that way it can fill our time to do/focus on something, instead of spending time thinking of issues/problems in our head…..
There’s actually something i’d like to share with you about my thoughts on this girl’s environment (one of her family members environment that relates to her), but im not sure if this is a “scratch” or not…. would you like to hear it?
January 7, 2023 at 9:23 am #413339AnonymousGuestDear Eric: yes, I would like to hear about it.
anita
January 7, 2023 at 9:43 am #413341AnonymousInactiveI dont know if this is a “scratch” or not….
So i feel really pressured by her sister’s boyfriend/future husband… today is that guy’s birthday and he held a big party (he’s very wealthy) in which he invites his girlfriend’s family (including the girl im dating), his friends, his parents business connection & friends, and other lots of people he relates with…..
I didnt come as i havent get to know him……
I feel like i need to get close to being like him, otherwise i’ll get judged…
Idk if this is me being insecure with that guy…..
As a person who always lives in a less interacting environment/quiet surroundings….. i’d never have my birthdays like that…. and if i get to know that guy later on…
i’ll have to attend to those kinds of gathering/party’s right…. because if i chose to be with the girl im dating with…. i’ll have to have a good relationship with her sister’s boyfriend/future husband surely…. and when i saw the pictures of the people that guy relates with, makes me feel i’ll get my energy drained there…..
I used to avoid people that gets my energy drained, and just interact with people im ok with, unless it is work purposes…..
And this girl im dating with looks up to her sister, i hope her sister wont tell her to demand me to be like that….. i also hope that guy wont look down and judge me…..
Although im worried, i also feel that i need to be confident around that girl as i cant act im afraid and worried……
January 7, 2023 at 9:59 am #413342AnonymousInactiveAlso her sister’s boyfriend’s friend is mostly boys who like to “have fun”…. like drinking, playing golf… and other stuffs that alpha male does…..
But for me it’s the complete opposite… i cant be those kind of people….. i just dont want to get teased that i cant be like that when i get to know her sister and her sister’s boyfriend…..
Even after her sister’s boyfriend birthday party, her sister ask her to join and drink with her and her boyfriend, and her boyfriend’s friends…. but luckily that girl refuses as she has to submit her assignment deadline…… This situation is making me in a tough spot……
January 7, 2023 at 10:05 am #413343AnonymousInactiveI apologize for posting many threads
And that girl isnt a girl who does drinking and those stuffs…..
January 7, 2023 at 10:19 am #413344AnonymousGuestDear Eric:
“I don’t know if this is a ‘scratch’ or not, So, I feel really pressured by her sister’s boyfriend/future husband. Today is that guy’s birthday and he held a big party (he’s very wealthy) in which he invites his girlfriend’s family (including the girl I’m dating)… I feel like I need to get close to being like him, otherwise I’ll get judged. Idk if this is me being insecure with that guy“-
– Yes, it is you being insecure, and it is not a scratch but an itch that you are presenting here, wanting me to (mentally) scratch it by telling you something like: no, Eric, you don’t need to be like this guy, you are okay just the way you are! There is nothing wrong with me saying this once or twice. The problem is that I’ve been saying things to you (scratching your itches/ worries) since July 2019, 3.5 years ago, and you still itch and still wants to be scratched, and it gets very tiring and frustrating.
I’d say this: you are okay, Eric, just the way you are.. except for the part of you that thinks that you are not okay and keeps asking for reassurance/ scratches… this part exhausts me from time to time (and will exhaust the girl you re dating sooner or later, if she is too exposed to this part).
“I’ll have to attend to those kinds of gathering/party’s right because if I choose to be with the girl I’m dating, I’ll have to have a good relationship with her sister’s boyfriend/future husband surely, and when I saw the pictures of the people that guy relates with, makes me feel I’ll get my energy drained there. I used to avoid people who get my energy drained, and just interact with people I’m ok with, unless it is work purposes“-
– I think that the pictures of this guy and the other people in the party drain you so much because of the itches/ worries that looking at the pictures produced in your brain, itches like I-am-not-okay, I-am-less-than-him, if I go to a party like this, they will all notice how awkward I am, etc. These itches are draining you!
There is no way, Eric, to get rid of these itches by having them scratched because the relief is temporary at best, and the itches return at the same intensity later. You will have to find a way to calm those worries down, to… make them less itchy, so that they bother you less and drain you (and me) less. It takes distress tolerance skills, you can google those. I am going to reply to your earlier post a bit later.
anita
January 7, 2023 at 10:36 am #413345AnonymousGuestDear Eric:
This is in the response to your first post today: you are very welcome. I hope that indeed you do not expect her to pretend to always feel the same. About her not asking you questions and not telling you what kind of food she wants to eat, letting you decide: she doesn’t like to initiate/ to lead. But like you said yourself: better look at the bigger picture. In the bigger picture you like much of who she is, including that she does not seek attention.
No one can find a perfect partner, there is no such thing… so, in regard to this gem of a girl, look at the bigger picture and focus on what you do like about her.
“I never realize that ‘reassurance’ from her is also an ‘itch’….. and thank you for reminding, that way I can control my mind to not have an addiction to being reassured, just like how I minimize my mind to not get addicted of (other) scratches“- I am very happy to read this. You know how you worry so much that she will get bored with you? In my experience communicating with you, I was never bored with you, but I did get frustrated from reading about the same itches/ worries over and over.. and over again for 3.5 years. It feels crazy-making at times. So, if I was you, I’d do my best to not frustrate this gem of a girl (let’s call her Gem, to make it simple, okay?) by presenting her with your itches, wanting her to scratch them/ to reassure you.
Maybe, later on, when the two of you spend a lot of time together, you can talk about your excessive need for reassurance, and the two of you can agree that you ask for- and receive reassurance once a day, just one time every day, in a short, few-minutes exchange.
You wrote in regard to overthinking and feeling insecure: “yes, it is indeed painful“- I thought to myself earlier today before turning on the computer (or maybe it was yesterday): I imagine that people who know how Eric lives (not working hard, not working physically hard, living at home, being physically taken care of), they probably think that his life is easy and comfortable; they don’t know how not-at-all-easy and how very painful it is to worry and overthink and feel badly as much and as often as Eric feels.
“I know overthinking & insecurity is very hard to get rid of, cause everyday there could be a new overthinking/insecurity that came. I’m trying my best to not entertain those issues in my head…“- I agree and I am glad you see it too. You mentioned being busy with activities as a way to overthink less, and I agree. Another way to overthink less is to develop those distress tolerance skills that I mentioned earlier.
anita
January 9, 2023 at 3:54 pm #413530AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
I hope that indeed you do not expect her to pretend to always feel the same. About her not asking you questions and not telling you what kind of food she wants to eat, letting you decide: she doesn’t like to initiate/ to lead. But like you said yourself: better look at the bigger picture. In the bigger picture you like much of who she is, including that she does not seek attention.
No one can find a perfect partner, there is no such thing… so, in regard to this gem of a girl, look at the bigger picture and focus on what you do like about her.
= I’m just hoping that it wont be a sign that she is slowly losing interest…. Cause in relationships, after the honeymoon period (1-3 months) ends everything will become more boring right, and soon problems will arise…
In my experience communicating with you, I was never bored with you, but I did get frustrated from reading about the same itches/ worries over and over.. and over again for 3.5 years. It feels crazy-making at times. So, if I was you, I’d do my best to not frustrate this gem of a girl (let’s call her Gem, to make it simple, okay?) by presenting her with your itches, wanting her to scratch them/ to reassure you.
= i also hope that is the case with her, that she wont get bored of me….
It feels so hard to maintain a relationship, if we texts too frequently she might get bored, whereas if we dont show attention it could cause problems…. As the more and more we continue the relationship, there isnt much topic to discuss and it gets boring very easily….
Also i believe in relationship we cant have too much expectations, because it could lead to disappointments (mostly i felt this way) and it hurts a lot….
I thought to myself earlier today before turning on the computer (or maybe it was yesterday): I imagine that people who know how Eric lives (not working hard, not working physically hard, living at home, being physically taken care of), they probably think that his life is easy and comfortable; they don’t know how not-at-all-easy and how very painful it is to worry and overthink and feel badly as much and as often as Eric feels.
= it’s really painful, sometimes i could wake up due to overthinking and cant continue to sleep as i still feel anxious….
tbh these past few days it has been that way, but im trying to calm myself with several ways…January 9, 2023 at 5:04 pm #413531AnonymousGuestDear Eric:
“In relationships, after the honeymoon period (1-3 months)…“- as anxious as you are during this supposed honeymoon period, worrying so much, overthinking all possible dangers to the relationship, however remote, however unlikely… where is your honeymoon period?
“It’s really painful, sometimes I could wake up due to overthinking and can’t continue to sleep as I still feel anxious…“- I wish you experienced peace of mind, calm… and more honey in this supposed honeymoon period…
anita
January 9, 2023 at 5:22 pm #413532AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
I think my honeymoon period is the first few months when i chase her, trying to get to know her, before confession and a few weeks after confession…. As everything still seems new…
I’m not sure right now is still considered as honeymoon period or not… As the duration i know her hasnt reached 6 months yet….
January 9, 2023 at 5:40 pm #413533AnonymousGuestDear Eric:
I thought a honeymoon period means a time (regardless of the duration in number of months) when you’re in-love and happy, not in-love and anxious and worried. So, according to my definition, you didn’t yet have a honeymoon period.
You know how you wrote before that you are afraid that she ends the relationship and you will suffer from a broken heart? Well, you are already suffering from a broken heart, a heart broken by ongoing fears and worries. It makes me sad because I would very much like you to be happy and worry-free for at least a while, so that you can taste a different kind of life and want more of it.
anita
January 9, 2023 at 6:25 pm #413534AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
I thought a honeymoon period means a time (regardless of the duration in number of months) when you’re in-love and happy, not in-love and anxious and worried. So, according to my definition, you didn’t yet have a honeymoon period.
= yes, even the first few months when im trying to get to know her, im also in an anxious and worried state which leads me into planning everything on the date to not make mistakes at all….
I really want to experience it being “in-love and happy” with full of trust, without worrying at all….
It makes me sad because I would very much like you to be happy and worry-free for at least a while, so that you can taste a different kind of life and want more of it.
= Thank you, it always makes me feel emotional whenever someone said these kind of words to me…. Because sometimes i also pity my own self, that i’ve been suffering for so long and rarely feel loved…. I also want to feel loved just like anyone else… this is why whenever i feel like im interacting in a good environment that doesnt drain my energy, i feel happy already…. Even when i’m not interacting, just being in that environment is already a happy thing for me….
A worry-free mind is always what i wanted, but most situation always makes it hard for me to achieve that… i’m trying to look things in a more bigger picture and trying to dwell less, i think this method has a positive impact on me…
and as you say it’s my own responsibility to find ways for myself, and im trying my best for it… i really am….
January 9, 2023 at 7:04 pm #413541AnonymousGuestDear Eric:
It made me smile reading your recent post: not because of reading that you’ve been suffering, but because I can see/ feel your pure heart: you are a good, loving young person, and it is a great shame that, like you wrote, you’ve been suffering for so long and rarely felt loved. You deserve to be loved, but when living so long without feeling loved, it is difficult to accept love, even when it’s there (Gem’s love). It is difficult to believe that it’s really there and more so, that it’s going to stay! This was my experience too, so I think that I understand. It is Mon 7 pm here, Tues 11 am your time, I believe. Soon to be good night for me.
anita
January 9, 2023 at 8:34 pm #413542AnonymousInactiveDear anita,
I can see/ feel your pure heart: you are a good, loving young person, and it is a great shame that, like you wrote, you’ve been suffering for so long and rarely felt loved.
= If i really care about someone, i’ll genuinely love them, but sometime that’s not the case…. Just like how i love my previous crush, my genuine love doesnt reciprocate….
I also feel that i need to learn how to lower my expectations… because if i care about someone i’ll have certain expectations on their behaviours towards me….
You deserve to be loved, but when living so long without feeling loved, it is difficult to accept love, even when it’s there (Gem’s love). It is difficult to believe that it’s really there and more so, that it’s going to stay!
= I really hope that gem’s love is really a loving love towards me… and she intends to stay with me….
Yes, its very hard for me to accept love, like it’s hard for me to trust if that certain someone genuinely loves me, because i rarely felt that…. The most common thing that i felt are loneliness, overthinking and insecurity….
Sometimes i feel envy seeing my friends who are surrounded by loving family, like they’d less likely to suffer from loneliness….
But i guess it’s also due to that im still young, i have matured yet…, there’s a lot for me to learn….
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