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  • #412315
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    Dear anita,

     

     

    congratulations for having these photos taken, a printed memory of … love, lovely!

    = thank you anita, i really am grateful of that photos!

     

     

    nothing you can do about that, but notice that her sister (the girl you are dating) likes your physical appearance, and that is wonderful, isn’t it?

    Im not really sure if she likes my appearance or not… i dont really know why she’s interested in me…. Maybe she’s just grateful that i came into her life?

     

    I can put together a list of questions (or you can do it on your own) so that you can prepare your answers ahead of time.

    = i’d be happy if you’d like to arrange some few questions… it can be helpful to me…

     

     

    you told me earlier that you are a follower. Seems like she is a follower too. You know how difficult it is to change in this regard, so please don’t get angry at her for being a follower and don’t demand that she changes.

    = This is what im concerned about, she’s a follower and she looks up at her sister… if her sister said something negative about me, that girl might lose interest in me… just like how there are few boys who try to get close to her, but her sister told that girl to not be with those guys as their environment and personality are not too good….

    I havent met her sister yet, but i feel like she texts me differently since her sister went back home to our city few days ago… idk if its just my feeling or she really has been different due to her sister…

    Or maybe it could be because that everything between two of us are predictable now that both of us know each of our feelings… and everything became more boring than the first month when we interact…

    To avoid exhausting my head, i should just think what’s meant to be will be… is it?

     

    seems to me, that her sister approves of your physical looks and of your relationship with her sister; otherwise she wouldn’t send the photos to her friends, don’t you think?

    = i dont think so, she could be sending the photos to her friends because she disagrees that her sister is with me… and she wants to discuss it with her friends….

    #412317
    Anonymous
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    Is relationships like this? Sometimes we feel grateful and blessed, but sometimes we feel exhausted….

    I still have doubts on her feelings to me… moreover on christmas eve till the beginning of january i’ll be on holidays with my family, so i wont meet her…. I hope she’ll texts me in a way that she doesnt make me overthink….because on holiday i still make time for her… and i feel like she also has to make time for me especially when she stays in our hometown (not going on holidays)…

    i also spend money on things are actually not needed… i feel like i want her to love me more… so before i go on holidays… i bought a cake for both us to celebrate… but i also bought a christmas hampers/parcel because im confused on what to give, either the cake or the parcel… now the parcel is with me as its not needed…

    do i really have to do this much effort? I also plan to give her a gift when i went back from holiday, and also a gift to her on valentines…  i really want to put lots of efforts for her, but she sometimes still give me doubts….

    #412324
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    I suddenly feel so sad and disappointed, im not ready for another heartbreak…. I did everything i could, but if she does change because of her sister, i cant do anything about it… Or is it because i demand too much from her….

     

    I suddenly have thoughts that she’s having dinner with her parents before her sister go for holiday with her future husband without telling me…. If she really does that i’ll be really disappointed, like really really disappointed, because she used to told me that i should come to meet her parents every time her family has a dinner outside their house…

    Tomorrow we are going to have a date, i hope she doesnt suddenly cancels tomorrow’s date because im going to overthink a lot if she does that…. Making me sure that my assumptions is correct…

    #412353
    Anonymous
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    Dear Eric:

    You are welcome.

    I don’t really know why she’s interested in me…. Maybe she’s just grateful that I came into her life?“- she told you that she is grateful that you are in her life, so it’s true that she is grateful, isn’t it?

    She’s a follower and she looks up to her sister, if her sister said something negative about me, that girl might lose interest in me“- your girlfriend has liked you consistently for a long time. If her liking you was so far conditional on her sister not saying anything negative about you, then so far, her sister did not say anything negative about you. Do you agree with my logic?

    I feel like she texts me differently since her sister went back home to our city few days ago. idk if it’s just my feeling“- I will not at all be surprised that it is just your feeling.

    To avoid exhausting my head, I should just think what’s meant to be will be is it?“- yes, best you can.

    “Is relationships like this.. exhausted“- relationships are indeed very exhausting for anyone who suffer from “this overthinking and insecurity” (words from the title of your thread).

    Do I really have to do this much effort?“- no, you don’t have to, really! Do less and relax best you can.

    I suddenly have thoughts…“- too often it’s bad news when you suddenly have thoughts, isn’t it?

    Tomorrow we are going to have a date, I hope she doesn’t suddenly cancel tomorrow’s date because I’m going to overthink a lot if she does that“- I hope that you enjoy tomorrow’s date, and the holidays as well!

    I offered you to come up with a list of questions that her sister may ask you, and suggested answers. And you wrote: “I’d be happy if you’d like to arrange (a) few questions, it can be helpful to me“- no need to do it now, I don’t think, because you will be meeting her sister after the holidays, right? And that’s a while from now. At this time, I hope that you are having a relaxing night and that you have a good date tomorrow!

    anita

    #412506
    Anonymous
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    Dear anita,

     

    your girlfriend has liked you consistently for a long time. If her liking you was so far conditional on her sister not saying anything negative about you, then so far, her sister did not say anything negative about you. Do you agree with my logic?

    = yes if u explain it like that, i do understand the logic…

     

     

    Today i just finished the date with her, i feel like i did mistakes (i know you’d think this is just me overthinking things, but i feel this is a mistake) and also there is a feeling that i never felt before, as i think i feel “unloved”… would u like to hear about it?

    #412509
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    I hope the mistakes that i thought i made, turns out to be “not a mistake”… i really really hope so….. cause it would be so embarrassing….

     

    And i just realized i’ve been trying to hard to be different/unique from other guys, so she would love me more…. But as she’s a person who doesnt think much, i feel like she’s not giving attention on me.
    So right now i feel the best thing to do is to not expecting too much from her, and to stop putting so much efforts to surprise her everytime i met her on dates…. It’s really tiring….

    #412519
    Anonymous
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    Dear Eric:

    I read your two posts and in regard to the mistake you think you made on the recent date: yes, you can tell me about it, but I want you to tell me about it in this way: ONLY THE FACTS: what you said and what you did (not what you thought or felt, not what you intended, etc.), and if you need to describe her behavior, stick only to what she said and did (not what you think she thought and what you think that she felt, etc.).

    anita

    #412541
    Anonymous
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    Dear anita,

    Before i explain the facts that happen yesterday, i’d like to thank you for always listening to my stories… i really am thankful…

    – The list of facts that happened yesterday are:

    So yesterday on my meeting with her, before arriving at the restaurant, i asked her why didnt she invite me to eat with her parents? Isnt she told me before christmas holidays she’d like to invite me.. i asked her if her family has a dinner before her sister and her boyfriend went on holiday and she told me there is…. I told her why didnt she invite me… she told me at that time she was told after she finished her uni on 8.30 pm and immediately went straight to eat with her parents… her sister told her to invite me… but she didnt invite (not telling me) because it was really rushed, because she was informed like that and i used to told her i dont like things to be rushed… Should i be disappointed? As if i meet her sister that time maybe i can give a good impression…

    The second fact that happened is that she told me her aunt texted her asking if she’d like to get to know a guy.. this guy is close to her aunt… Her aunt doesnt know that she is close to me now, so her aunt give this girls whatsapp to that guy so they can interact…. (I’d like to say what i felt her but u requested for me to only spill the facts, so i wont explain how i felt here)… And that guy would text her, but that girl told me she wont bother him. If i remember correctly, she told her aunt that she’s close to me now.. and her aunt told her “ahh too bad, that guy is a bit late by a few monts”

    Her sister told her, “wow it looks like your flower has bloomed a lot this year, that lots of guys chase you”….

    Who wouldnt feel pain hearing these stories right?

     

    – As for the mistakes that i did;

    I told her that my mom met her sister in a formal event….

    Here’s an explanation

    So my mom is a friend of her sister’s boyfriend mom…

    Let’s say her boyfriends name is A

    So i used to told my mom before i chase this girl, that i plan to chase A’s girlfriend’s younger sister… but i told my mom to not tell A’s mom because it would low my dignity as i dont know A… and it would make it seem like i look highly of A that i discussed about him when he doesnt know me….

    Then last week my mom attend a formal event, and met A’s mom, they sit together in a table in which there is also her sister.. My mom talk a lot with A’s mom and also communicate a bit with her sister… but my mom didnt tell her sister that she is my mom (as i requested her to not to)

    So yesterday when that girl told me that her aunt wanted her to get to know a boy (the guy that is close to her aunt)…. I feel sadness and anger, in which that guy has a support which is her aunt, so immediately felt that i need a support so i told her that my mom met her sister in a formal event… i told her this so that her sister will know that my mom is friends with A’s mom… so she will know im not some random guy who just wants to get close to her sister and i have a good background and my presence would be more convincing,

    idk if this will lead her sister and her to find out that my mom and me has planned and discussed about them before i get to know that girl, it would be embarrassing isnt it? Like i really regard highly of A, i even dragged my mom into this…

    Her sister might also wonder how my mom know about her…

     

     

    – Regarding the unloved part,

    So this week that girl is in her exams period in uni so she is stressed, in yesterday’s we didnt talk a lot but i still feel like she still loves me, its just that its not equal to my efforts… as on yesterday’s dinner before i went on a holiday today… i bought a cake for us to celebrate advance christmas… but she didnt give me much attention…. She’s too focused on her uni and we went back early because i need to wake up early and she needs to submit her assignment….

    She also told me next year she will have more assignments and have to work on her thesis…  she told me to please bear that she might often reply late as she will be more stressful and busy…

    Luckily on yesterday’s dinner i can still hold my sadness and disappointments, so i still smile and act normally… although i keep asking her regarding that guy who her aunt wants her to get to know…

     

     

    As a person who never has any experience in relationships, im confused on how to handle all these pressures at once….

    Moreover, adding all the facts and problems above makes it even more stressful to me…

    #412542
    Anonymous
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    EDITED PART (The above one was confusing, so just read this one)

     

    Dear anita,

    Before i explain the facts that happen yesterday, i’d like to thank you for always listening to my stories… i really am thankful…

     

     

    The list of facts that happened yesterday are:

    So yesterday on my meeting with her, before arriving at the restaurant, i asked her why didnt she invite me to eat with her parents? Isnt she told me before christmas holidays she’d like to invite me.. i asked her if her family has a dinner before her sister and her boyfriend went on holiday and she told me there is…. I told her why didnt she invite me… she told me at that time she was told after she finished her uni on 8.30 pm and immediately went straight to eat with her parents… her sister told her to invite me… but she didnt invite (not telling me) because it was really rushed, because she was informed like that and i used to told her i dont like things to be rushed… Should i be disappointed? As if i meet her sister that time maybe i can give a good impression…

     

    The second fact that happened is that she told me her aunt texted her asking if she’d like to get to know a guy.. this guy is close to her aunt… Her aunt doesnt know that she is close to me now, so her aunt give this girls whatsapp to that guy so they can interact…. (I’d like to say what i felt her but u requested for me to only spill the facts, so i wont explain how i felt here)… And that guy would text her, but that girl told me she wont bother him. If i remember correctly, she told her aunt that she’s close to me now.. and her aunt told her “ahh too bad, that guy is a bit late by a few months”

    Her sister told her, “wow it looks like your flower has bloomed a lot this year, that lots of guys chase you”….
    Who wouldnt feel pain hearing these stories right?

     

     

    As for the mistakes that i did

    I told her that my mom met her sister in a formal event….

    Here’s an explanation,

    So my mom is a friend of her sister’s boyfriend mom… Let’s say her boyfriends name is A. So i used to told my mom before i chase this girl, that i plan to chase A’s girlfriend’s younger sister… but i told my mom to not tell A’s mom because it would low my dignity as i dont know A… and it would make it seem like i look highly of A that i discussed about him when he doesnt know me….

    Then last week my mom attend a formal event, and met A’s mom, they sit together in a table in which there is also her sister.. My mom talk a lot with A’s mom and also communicate a bit with her sister… but my mom didnt tell her sister that she is my mom (as i requested her to not to)

     

    So yesterday when that girl told me that her aunt wanted her to get to know a boy (the guy that is close to her aunt)…. I feel sadness and anger, in which that guy has a support which is her aunt, so immediately felt that i need a support so i told her that my mom met her sister in a formal event… i told her this so that her sister will know that my mom is friends with A’s mom… so she will know im not some random guy who just wants to get close to her sister and i have a good background and my presence would be more convincing,

    idk if this will lead her sister and her to find out that my mom and me has planned and discussed about them before i get to know that girl, it would be embarrassing isnt it? Like i really regard highly of A, i even dragged my mom into this…
    Her sister might also wonder how my mom know about her…

     

    Regarding the unloved part,

    So this week that girl is in her exams period in uni so she is stressed, in yesterday’s we didnt talk a lot but i still feel like she still loves me, its just that its not equal to my efforts… as on yesterday’s dinner before i went on a holiday today… i bought a cake for us to celebrate advance christmas… but she didnt give me much attention…. She’s too focused on her uni and we went back early because i need to wake up early and she needs to submit her assignment….

    She also told me next year she will have more assignments and have to work on her thesis…  she told me to please bear that she might often reply late as she will be more stressful and busy…

    Luckily on yesterday’s dinner i can still hold my sadness and disappointments, so i still smile and act normally… although i keep asking her regarding that guy who her aunt wants her to get to know…

     

     

    As a person who never has any experience in relationships, im confused on how to handle all these pressures at once….

    Moreover, adding all the facts and problems above makes it even more stressful to me…

    #412566
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Eric:

    I will get to your worries in a moment, and I will do so in the context of looking at the issue of Intelligence, your intelligence. I’ll define intelligence here as your ability to think logically and address all aspects of a situation (see the bigger picture) for the purpose of promoting your self-interest.

    Let’s look at how you  opened your recent post: “Dear anita“- you addressed me (as always) just as I address you, and you type my name the way I do, with a small “a”- this makes me (the reader of your words) feel nice, as in being respected and acknowledged. This is intelligent of you!

    Next: “Before I explain the facts that happen yesterday, I’d like to thank you for always listening to my stories. I really am thankful“- this is very intelligent of you, Eric: you know that it was difficult for me before (as it would be for most people) to read about your many worries in long posts, so you thank me in advance. This makes me feel nice and motivated to put in the time and effort and read about your worries. In this opening sentence, you prepared me emotionally for what is to come. Again, very intelligent.

    Next, you wrote: “The list of facts that happened yesterday are“- I asked you for the facts only, and you are stating here that you will give me exactly what I asked. I feel that you listened to what I asked and that you respect me. I am therefore ready to read about your worries, willing to give it all my time and effort. Your self-interest is that I read about your worries and reply, and you promoted this self-interest very intelligently (I am impressed!)

    *And I believe that you really are thankful to me, therefore, you are not dishonest with me: you are intelligent and honest, excellent, Eric!

    And now, to the worries: “So yesterday on my meeting with her, before arriving at the restaurant, I asked her why didn’t she invite me to eat with her parents?… she told me…  she finished her uni on 8.30 pm and went straight to eat with her parents… it was really rushed..  and I told her I don’t like things to be rushed“- her explanation is perfectly logical. But you are not satisfied with her explanation (“Should I be disappointed?”, you asked)-

    – your reaction to her explanation is not intelligent because you overlooked the fact that she listened to you when you told her that you don’t like to be rushed, she remembered that you said it and respected your preference to not be rushed. This is all loving, on her part. But you overlooked it (not looking at this important aspect of the situation/ not seeing the bigger picture) because in your mind, you are focused on the negatives, looking for evidence that she doesn’t love you and that bad things are going to happen.

    The second fact that happened is that she told me her aunt texted her asking if she’d like to get to know a guy… If I remember correctly, she told her aunt that she’s close to me now, and her aunt told her ‘ahh too bad, that guy is a bit late by a few months‘… So yesterday when that girl told me that her aunt wanted her to get to know a boy (the guy that is close to her aunt), I…   told her that my mom met her sister in a formal event… so she will know I’m not some random guy who just wants to get close to her sister“-

    – you overlooked the fact that your girlfriend told her aunt that she is close to you and therefore, she is not interested in another guy, and you overlooked the fact that her aunt accepted it. This means that the guy you are concerned with is not relevant. But you reacted as if he is relevant and you are competing with a guy… who is not relevant. You are complicating a situation that is not complicated, creating drama where there is no need for any. Your thinking and behaving here is not intelligent.

    Her sister told her, ‘wow it looks like your flower has bloomed a lot this year, that lots of guys chase you’. Who wouldn’t feel pain hearing these stories right?“- wrong! There are guys who will feel pleasure (not pain) when a girl who has options (other guys showing interest) is interested in them, and not in the other guys.

    Regarding the unloved part: So, this week that girl is in her exams period in uni so she is stressed… She also told me next year she will have more assignments and have to work on her thesis. She told me to please bear that she might often reply late as she will be more stressful and busy. Luckily on yesterday’s dinner, I can still hold my sadness and disappointments“-

    – again, you overlooked the fact that she cared for you enough to tell you that she might reply late, and that she might reply late for a valid reason (her studies). You failed to look at important aspects of the situation: that (1) she cares, and (2) that it will be good for you (in the context of a long-term relationship with her) to have an educated and a professionally successful partner in life.

    You didn’t see the bigger picture. Your focus was only on a corner of the picture (that she might reply to you late).

    I keep asking her regarding that guy who her aunt wants her to get to know“- you worry so much that she will break up with you for irrelevant reasons (such as her aunt having mentioned another guy), but you overlook possible relevant reasons for her to break up with you, such as you asking her again and again about a guy who is not relevant to her life. She may get tired of this unintelligent question.

    As a person who never has any experience in relationships, I’m confused on how to handle all these pressures at once“-  handle your situation intelligently, and stop creating pressures that would not be there if you didn’t create them. An example of a pressure that you created for yourself is the guy that her aunt mentioned: her aunt already accepted that her niece is close to you, and therefore the guy is late. So.. let the guy go: there is no other guy in your girlfriend’s mind: you are the guy!

    anita

    #412692
    Anonymous
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    Dear anita,

    Before i reply to the threads above,

     

    I just wanted to say i feel that girl is maybe bored of our relationship… Like i can see the difference on our texts before i confess and right now’s situation…. And if she’s bored with our relationship right now, she doesnt do anything at all….

    She’s on holiday with her parents these past few days, but still im the only one asking how’s her holiday, but she never asks me…. And she still replies late… i know she still have assignments but still how can it be everyday….

    She didnt even tell about her routines on her holiday, i need to ask her then she replies… but then she still didnt ask how is my holiday…

     

    I can see the difference in the chat, she’s really happy at the moment i confess to her that day, her texts are really happy… it’s not like that now… its different…

     

    I dont know if this is her personality or she’s already bored… i also dont want to keep asking her questions that will make her tired of answering… so i just keep it to myself…

    but really i’ve done my best… i even plan a surprise for her after holidays… I try my best to make her happy on every occasion we meet…

    Few days ago, before i went on holiday… she told me that if we have known for many years… its okay if we have dates without talking to each other, just eating quietly… I tried to trust her words… But right now we just knew each other for 4 months, and she wants to talk quietly already?

     

    I remember she once said, in highschool days she is not sure with her crush then she slowly fades away from him, idk if she’s doing that on me…

     

    Do u still think this is me overthinking things?

    #412693
    Anonymous
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    I really hope i’m just overthinking things….

     

    I keep wanting to be more understanding that she’s busy or on holidays… but i also feel that i need to feel her attention too…

     

    She told me that she likes me being clingy, so here i am….

    #412712
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Eric: I didn’t have internet all day long. Assuming I have it back by Wed morning (it is now Tues 5:22 pm where I am at), I will reply further then.

    anita

    #412719
    Anonymous
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    Dear anita,

    Here i am replying to your previous threads:

     

    you overlooked the fact that your girlfriend told her aunt that she is close to you and therefore, she is not interested in another guy, and you overlooked the fact that her aunt accepted it. This means that the guy you are concerned with is not relevant. But you reacted as if he is relevant and you are competing with a guy… who is not relevant. You are complicating a situation that is not complicated, creating drama where there is no need for any. Your thinking and behaving here is not intelligent.

    = yes, but the fact is that the aunt have given that girl’s phone number and that boy could text her anytime… the aunt wouldnt tell that boy that she is close to me now…

    Is your opinion still the same? Im complicating situations when there isnt any?

     

     

    wrong! There are guys who will feel pleasure (not pain) when a girl who has options (other guys showing interest) is interested in them, and not in the other guys.

    = yes i’d feel happy if she choose me when she has options, but right now she didnt give me as much attention as she used to…. And that‘s what worries me, it could lead up to any possibilities…

     

    you worry so much that she will break up with you for irrelevant reasons (such as her aunt having mentioned another guy), but you overlook possible relevant reasons for her to break up with you, such as you asking her again and again about a guy who is not relevant to her life. She may get tired of this unintelligent question.

    = yes i have think about it, not to annoy her with those kind of questions repeatedly, but isnt relationship about communication? Like we should talk about things that is related to both of us right?

     

    handle your situation intelligently, and stop creating pressures that would not be there if you didn’t create them. An example of a pressure that you created for yourself is the guy that her aunt mentioned: her aunt already accepted that her niece is close to you, and therefore the guy is late. So.. let the guy go: there is no other guy in your girlfriend’s mind: you are the guy!

    = Thank you anita for trying to reassure me that im the guy in her mind….

    Regarding her aunt, idk if she has accepted that she is close to me, she just told that girl “ahh he’s too late” … i hope she accepts it…

    She used to text and send me pics what she’s doing right now, where she was… but she never do that again… just answering my texts without asking me…. And i need to ask her “what she’s doing right now” then she’ll tell me…. If i didnt ask she wont tell….

    #412722
    Anonymous
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    Do u think i’m handling the situation wrongly?

    Anita, After interacting with you throughout the years i feel like you understand me… and i want her to understand me too… and i want to understand her too… but right now it’s the other way around, i still dont feel she really understands me…

     

    But tbh, with all my previous crushes… i always suspect them whenever they reply late without informing me first….

    Maybe im too demanding? Like i always want her to constantly texts me good morning and good night….

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