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  • #462135
    anita
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    Hey Petr, yes, you did write from felt- experience and I felt it 🙂

    I think you’re writing more and more this way, I see a change in the making. It’s delightful to see. I’d like to think of myself as change in progress, toward into territory, some of it helped by you. Thank you. I’ll write more this eve- night.

    #462139
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Peter:

    I like it that you mirrored my “🤔” and ending your post with your name.. relational 🙂

    Raining here 😾😾😾 and dogs (lost the dog emojis), it’s been totally dark since 5 pm, the neighboring beagles playdate earlier failed (beagles don’t like rain), and there was no one at the dog park downtown but me and Bogart. And too rainy to do a walk or work outside.

    The Winery where I used to socialize and work at (unpaid), and the taproom that I frequented since 2017, both closed by April this year, and I’m socially deprived and unoccupied, although it helps to have a beagle resting on my legs right now, basking in the warmth of the woodstove fire, typing into the phone, imagining a Peter whose real name I do not know reading my words many, many miles from here sometime from now.

    You wrote this afternoon that you’re moving toward putting down your maps, finding yourself with only silence or metaphore, being alone, but not lonely, and I wonder how that looks like, if you too are sitting by a woodstove fire, if it rains where you’re at.. concrete vs abstract 🤔

    Anita

    #462140
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Peter:

    Now that I am at the computer, I ran our recent exchange through Copilot and it pointed out something I hadn’t seen. When you talked about being afraid to swim, I interpreted the fear as being alone in the water. But what you were actually pointing to was being reluctant to put down the map, the need to understand, explain, and hold onto certainty.

    Looking back, I can see how I translated your metaphor through my own interests in connection, gut-to-gut communication, and relational support.

    Not sure I completely understand it yet, but I think I understand you a bit better than I did earlier.

    Hmmm… there’s so much that I don’t understand 🤔 Will try again in the morning. It’s too hot here by the woodstove to think.

    Anita

    #462142
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita, I appreciate you working to understand me—I’m afraid I don’t make it easy.
    That said, I think you understand more than you think… if we return to your first response to Kevin:
    “What worked for me was the felt-experience of what it is that I was so very hungry for. I was hungry not for food, but for feeling like a child, a carefree child playing with other kids.” perhaps no further map is needed

    Peter

    I’m going to reshare something I seem to keep playing with as a felt experience..

    The Matt’s Yes
    In yoga, I don’t always give much thought to the mat, yet I wonder if it might stand in for the source from which all movement arises and to which all movement returns.

    After every posture, whether graceful or awkward, we come back to it. Back to stillness. Back to silence.

    The mat does not judge the pose we just left. It does not measure progress or keep score. It receives warriors and beginners, balance and falling, effort and exhaustion with the same quiet generosity. If it asks anything of us, it is only this: return.

    Perhaps this is the cosmic game of peek-a-boo.

    We step into a pose and, for a moment, forget. We become the striving body, the comparing mind, the story of success or failure. Then the pose releases, the breath softens, and we remember. We return .

    This Yes we return to is not a yes of approval or resignation. It is not saying that everything is good or that nothing should change.
    It is a deeper yes… the yes of seeing.

    The yes that notices trembling legs and steady balance with equal clarity.
    The yes that meets sorrow without calling it a mistake, and joy without trying to hold it forever.

    Again and again we leave. Again and again we come back.
    Returning to stillness. Returning to silence. Returning to Yes.

    Perhaps that Yes is simply awareness itself, patiently waiting beneath every posture, beneath every story, beneath every effort to become something else.

    Like the mat beneath our feet, it has been there all along.

    #462144
    Roberta
    Participant

    Hi
    a P.S from the jar experiment …I was explaining it to one person who had been stuck& fixated on a particular past experience & they said but I want to hold onto the jar & agitate it My relpy that is like wrapping barbed wire around it abit like the 2nd arrow of suffering.
    Ive kept it short as I am off to work in a minute.
    Bye
    Roberta

    #462150
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you, Peter… I just found out that my emojis feature is gone from my phone and I don’t know how to bring it back. Maybe it’s a good thing.

    “Perhaps no further map is needed”- as I was just missing my personal favorite, pondering face emoji, I sensed the difficulty in changing old habits like using emojis, and over- explaining myself to myself.. and others to themselves (smiley face)

    I’d like to be more like the mat in The Mat’s Yes- to return to silence, to meet people with quiet generosity.. Being quiet can be, at least at times and in certain circumstances, the most generous thing a person can offer others.

    And I would love to read more from you, Peter, here, in other threads, anytime you feel like sharing more of your reflections.

    Anita

    #462151
    Peter
    Participant

    Thanks for sharing that Roberta – sometimes it is indeed a choice to hold on to the jar and shake it… or pickup or maps and play

    I really like that thought Anita, to be more like that mat as a way to meet people. I think I will take that as a grounding thought as Winter and Christmas approaches – Maybe its been their all along..

    Pieter

    #462152
    anita
    Participant

    Interestingly, Peter, just as I was writing about being more like the mat (3rd paragraph in my post above, at about 10:30 am), the sun appeared out of the dark clouds for the first time in days, and it’s still bright outside.

    Yes, me too. Actually, I will take it as a grounding thought this late morning and for the rest of the day.

    Anieta (real-life smile)

    #462158
    anita
    Participant

    I’m going to let my thoughts-feelings- express themselves to no-one in particular.

    Because it helps me. Because I find it enjoyable. Even if no one is reading. But knowing that someone may.

    * As long as I don’t see how it can hurt anyone that I do.

    And as long as anyone can do what I’m doing here. So, here I go- go- go

    “How Can I Stop Wanting..?” (in the title of this thread)-

    Humans Can’t Stop Wanting, it’s the Human-Animal Nature to Want. No matter how much Zen-Zen-Zen.

    Here I am this Wed night, a 65-year-old person (no, no, no, I’m not that old!), Wanting something tonight

    What?

    Nothing Nasty, nothing Fancy. What is it that I’m Wanting?

    Not food, definitely not food.

    What? What is it that I’m wanting?

    .. To feel Alive.

    I spent so much of my Life Feeling Dead.

    Feeling Alive shouldn’t be too much to ask for. Or better said, something to claim.

    Just that. Feeling Alive Tonight.

    Anita

    #462160
    Roberta
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    I picked up a picture from the charity shop the other month. It looks like a bunch of stacked books showing the title on the spine
    BE HAPPY
    Help each other
    DREAM BIG
    BELIEVE IN YOURSELF
    LOVE
    try new things
    ENJOY LIFE

    It is in my entrance hall to gently nudge me & my visitors

    #462162
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita
    I have been thinking about your comment earlier about wanting to be like the mat for others, and then reading your last post, I wondered how hard it is to be that same mat for ourselves when we’re just sitting there on a Wednesday night wanting something.

    Honestly, wanting to feel alive doesn’t sound like something we need to stop or ‘Zen’ away. It feels more like a natural pose on the Mat The fact that you paused long enough to actually ask what the itch was really about, and named it so honestly, feels like its own kind of quiet generosity toward yourself.

    #462163
    Peter
    Participant

    I came across these two reflections from Carl Jung today that he wrote near the end of his life, and they hit right at the heart of my own late-night Wednesday restlessness… that searching energy so many of us carry around:

    “I am astonished, disappointed, pleased with myself. I am distressed, depressed, rapturous. I am all these things at once, and cannot add up the sum. I am incapable of determining ultimate worth or worthlessness; I have no judgment about myself and my life. There is nothing I am quite sure about.”

    “Life has always seemed to me like a plant that lives on its rhizome. Its true life is invisible, hidden in the rhizome. The part that appears above ground lasts only a single summer… What we see is the blossom, which passes. The rhizome remains.”

    There is something freeing in admitting one can’t add up the sum, and trusting that what truly matters is quietly holding us up out of sight.

    #462169
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Roberta 🙂

    This reminds me of GRACE, that which you said you have on your refrigerator: Gather Attention, Recall intention, etc. (I may have personalized it somewhat, not sure). I repeat it every single day to myself since you introduced me to it.

    As far as the current “BE HAPPY” and “ENJOY LIFE”- too demanding, too much pressure, says I. “DREAM BIG”- not interested in dreaming (especially not in dreaming BIG). I am interested in what is real, “try new things”- nah, but I do like “Help each other”.

    Thank you for helping me with GRACE and for caring to submit a reply for me exactly 4 hours and 12 minutes ago.

    Anita

    #462173
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Peter 🙂

    * The emojis are back, I’ll try to not overuse them.

    As I read the first quote from Jung, I thought I was reading your own words. Sounds like Peter.

    In the past (silly me), I would jump in with analysis of what’s behind your “late-night Wednesday restlessness”, introduce concrete clarity, and carry your restlessness away forevermore.. I may be exaggerating some but not by a lot 🤔

    I want to offer something different in a later post.

    As far as your message to me- thank you.

    When I first read “and then reading your last post…”, I braced myself 🫣 for criticism, and a moment later I noticed the bracing for an attack. I expected you to say that the last post contradicts the earlier one, and that contradiction means something negative about me as a person (that I’m dishonest, a liar, something like that). And that’s not because you have ever done such a thing but because it was done to me so early on and repeatedly, that it got imprinted in me.

    I then read and reread and learned that there was no criticism, a mild challenge perhaps in regard to being the same mat to ourselves.

    I’d like to get back to you with more later, this evening I think.

    Anita

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