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December 8, 2018 at 9:36 am #268397MarinaParticipant
hello beautiful people,
this is going to be my second thread in this forum but using different account as I forgot what’s mine )).
Anyway last year I posted here, I was “devastated” to end my affair with a married man. I want to thank and be grateful that I found this website and helped me in my healing journey. Now that a year had gone by, I’ve never felt this better and more confidence; I have a nice job, traveling occasionally, and meet many potential whom I actually deserve.
Some of them, when I feel the butterflies inside my stomach, I often wonder to possibility of future between us together. And then I distract myself and deny it because I’m afraid that he doesn’t feel the same way. I try hard to stay grounded. When I’m on obsessive thoughts about my crush, it’s a bit dangerous since I can do excessive checking on his social media as to find answer why he doesn’t answer me… but then when I meet another potential, I feel good and able to forget the previous. It’s becoming a weird unhealthy cycle it seems. It happens most of time.
Currently, I’m getting closer with this man. We met when I was having vacation to this city and he was doing working holiday stuff. Somehow my gut feeling is telling me that this man is very good and worth to keep. I know it’s just two months that we know each other but he always shows this kind loving attitude to people, animal, and nature. A man with very nice family relations too. A week ago, I flew to meet him again before he went back to his country for spending Christmas. We spent couple of days crossing to a lovely island and backpack. It was a very good time.
I, myself, come from a strict family and difficult childhood, even until today. I met and traveled with him without my parents knowing it. By the way I’m 23 and partially independent (financially) but it’s a bit hard when coming to relationship or even to travel abroad [but this different story than what i intended to write so maybe I’ll save it later).
So this man, we communicate everyday, video calls at least once in 1 or 2 weeks.. He’s in hometown now and will return in January. He finished with previous job when we met, but currently on visa process with new employer. But new employer once told him that it might be difficult for him as he doesn’t have univerisity degree which it’s commonly used to work in this country.
I would love to maintain and develop this thing into further ‘relationship’. But I don’t want to end up clingy like my previous relationships or repeat the cycle whenever i dont hear answer. Especially if it happens, we’re going to be in distance.. And before I end up clingy or in any possible toxic behaviors, I DO NOT want to expect. I don’t want to get myself hurt expecting something that’s still too far and vague, yet I want to start new chapter with someone who is treating me this good. I mean not only me, but also his surroundings..
How do you manage your expectations in this kind of situation? Is it possible not to expect anything? Please advise..
Thank you very much
December 8, 2018 at 9:55 am #268413AnonymousGuestDear Marina:
In the past you rushed, rushed expecting, then rushed checking (social media), then rushing to the next crush, t he next expecting and checking, rushing through.
My suggestion is that you slow down this time, in this new chapter in your life. Every time you find yourself rushing with expectations, purposefully slow down, say to yourself: no, this is too fast. I don’t know him well enough yet, I don’t even know if he can legally stay in this country. It is too soon to expect, slow, slow…
And then, when you feel the urge to check on him, don’t. Feel the urge and resist it, say to yourself, if you will: this is a new chapter in my life. I do things differently now. I don’t check. If I want to know something, I can ask him directly.
anita
December 8, 2018 at 11:21 am #268417MarinaParticipantHi Anita,
thank you for your advise. I’ve never found best term to describe my behavior: rushing, until you mentioned it.
Sometimes I can turn into impatient and want instant answers which impossible in particular circumstances.
December 8, 2018 at 12:14 pm #268423AnonymousGuestDear Marina:
Rushing is not a good way to go about life, only in certain circumstances such as being chased by a predator. Are you familiar with the concept of Mindfulness/ being mindful? If not or if you’d like to read more about it, please do. In the home page of this website you can find articles about mindfulness under Blogs. I hope to read more from you.
anita
December 8, 2018 at 6:11 pm #268427PeterParticipantHi Marina
How do you manage your expectations in this kind of situation? Is it possible not to expect anything?
I don’t think having expectations is a problem. IMO they help us pay attention and set healthy boundaries. The problem is when our expectations become ridged and so we then try to ‘make it’ happen. Instead entering into the flow of relationship we confuse the expectation as the relationship.
“In relationship, now we dance this way , now that, sometimes with a heavy beat, sometimes with a lightness and grace ever flowing freely. Now they become the dance, now the dance becomes them. The goal is not to confuse the type of dance they are doing with the fact they are dancing. ” GZ
We can have expectations however with mindfulness we do not have to attach ourselves to our expectations. We stay open, paying attention to our healthy boundaries, ready to spin and twirl, laugh and cry, and change direction when the moment suggests it.
Its important to note that when we detached our selves from our expectations that its not indifference. Instead we remain fully engaged with life as it shows up without trying to control things, which is may be what clinging to expectations is.
December 9, 2018 at 6:25 am #268449MarinaParticipantHi Anita,
I’ve familiarized myself with being mindful as i learn to let go. But it’s my weakness that I’m easily distracted.
I am still on my path to improve myself to be mindful. Hopefully to get better at it in near future.
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Hi Peter,
I agree with you on this
“The problem is when our expectations become ridged and so we then try to ‘make it’ happen.”
The desire to make it happen sometimes coming up way too strong. I guess because I just long to escape and want to ‘make it’ happen because sometime my inner child thinks it’s the answer and I don’t want to lose it. But at the same time I’m aware that I may fall into illusion trap.
Though I have good feeling in my gut about this, but I hope to become more mindful and able to detach from over the top expectations
December 9, 2018 at 6:51 am #268451AnonymousGuestDear Marina:
On your previous thread, under another account, did we discuss the origin of your anxiety, that in your childhood? If so, will you remind me what you shared there?
anita
December 9, 2018 at 7:53 am #268455MarinaParticipantHi Anita,
The thread was around one year ago under title I ended an affair, I’m not sure. But I pretty much mentioned about my childhood there.
my anxiety started as I grew up abandoned. My parents were there physically but what they did only argue and abusive words were daily food for me and my brother. They almost ended up with divorce but then thought about our future, so it’s not happen until now. Every day they did not have clear mind so our opinions would be turned down or even not listened. They also had big expectations for me to always excel in school and have excellent future. they demand me to be always good girl, obey what they said and if I had my own opinions, they used to judge me as a very bad daughter. For the last 8 years, they’re trying their best to make it up and i’ve been doing my best to make our relationship ‘normal’ but I don’t really feel it. My father, especially, has very negative thoughts and victimised himself. Well, i got that he has his own wounds from his hard past even also the siblings. I don’t really feel comfortable sharing my stories with my parents and also the rest of family. Because I’ve been a ‘rebel’ and might have more intriguing experiences than theirs and they might not understand.
Including the affair that i ended one year ago with a married man who worked in my town as diplomat. I was very devastated last year but now i slowly picking up myself and letting go what has happened. That’s also maybe why I look forward with the potential in my encounter with this new man I met on my recent vacation, just called him Andre. Because Andre is single, a hard worker (he told me about his travel work holiday stuffs, good and bad experiences), loves his family cause he shares a lot about his life in his home country, showing me his activities with family and friends there… oh Anita.. I feel like this kind of man is rare. Knowing what I had experience in the past…..
December 9, 2018 at 8:45 am #268461AnonymousGuestDear Marina:
Good, honest and single men do exist and I hope Andre is indeed one. The evidence so far points to it. I hope it will work out, him being decent man he appears to be, being able to stay legally in your country (so that a relationship is possible), and regarding your anxiety, keep posting about it here, on your thread. If you express it here and receive at least my replies every time you do post, maybe it will make it easier for you to manage your anxiety in the context of you and Andre.
Regarding your parents not getting a divorce because they were concerned about your (and your brother’s) future, well, I wish they thought about your future before they argued and used abusive words toward each other in front of you (“they did only argue and abusive words were daily food for me and my brother”)- did they not think that behavior was damaging to your future.
And unlike what your parents communicated to you, you have not and are not a bad daughter for having different opinions than theirs. You are the good kind of rebel, to have a better understanding about life than your parents. For example, having the opinion that arguing in front of your children is damaging to children, then you are a good person for having that different opinion, aren’t you.
I suppose you are living with them- if you do, how does it feel to see them every day, to be in their presence?
anita
December 9, 2018 at 9:55 am #268477MarinaParticipanthi Anita,
one of worry i often encounter is that Andre doen’t really respond when I give him compliment. Like when I told him he looks good, he’s just quiet.. I’m afraid that he thinks I only give him bull**** or i will often think whether I have said something wrong. Or maybe words of affirmation is not his love language, I haven’t yet to discover. basically i worry if i say or do something that goes against his perspectives.
And yes, I still live with my parents. It feels plain.. I don’t really develop strong feeling towards them. But I’d like to melt the situation. Sometimes when i share my story about my work or something I experience i my travels, my father, especially, doesn’t really respond. he’s just quiet or just “oh’. my mom, she’s ok, she still responds and tries to engage. then when my father will try to talk to me, it’s usually about things that he wants himself to control or take care of. For example that kind of job I should take, type of insurances, about he’s getting close to retirement and needs to find a way to be entrepreneur.. My father experienced terrible childhood, he’s abandoned too, and lack of receiving compassion from his relatives, so I suppose that’s what makes him exaggerate everything often times, even in smallest thing like being stuck in traffic, he’s blaming life when the other cars already move…. However I can’t change him. he’s 50 years old now. What I hope is that one day i’m able to introduce my parents, father especially to experience life without unnecessary stress, you know, maybe take them to travel and enjoy being in different places. I want to forgive and make peace with them.
On daily basis, I don’t interact that much with my parents. With current job I have, even I just go straight to sleep often times and go out mostly alone when I have day offs.
Thanks a lot Anita, I hope you’re having a great Sunday.
December 9, 2018 at 10:52 am #268487AnonymousGuestDear Marina:
I will read your recent post (and any other you may add) when I return to the computer in about fifteen hours and reply then.
anita
December 10, 2018 at 5:58 am #268613AnonymousGuestDear Marina:
My summary and understanding of what you shared on this thread:
You are now 23, have a nice job, travelling occasionally and living with your parents. When you were growing up, your parents expressed to you that they expect you to “always excel in school and have excellent future”, and “demand me to be always good girl, obey what they said and if I had my own opinions, they used to judge me as a very bad daughter”. And at the same time, the two of them argued daily and used abusive words against each other on a daily basis, in your presence: “they did only argue and abusive words were daily food for me and my brother”. If I understand correctly, they stopped this particular behavior eight years ago, when you were 15.
On one hand you wrote regarding your current feelings about your parents: “I don’t really develop strong feeling towards them”, and on the other hand you wrote that you “want to forgive and make peace with them”.
I suppose you want to forgive them because you are angry at them, and you want to make peace with them, because there is little to no peace- his is why you wrote: “I don’t really develop strong feelings towards them. But I’d like to melt the situation“.
You also shared that you don’t “really feel comfortable sharing my stories with my parents and also the rest of family”. Your father shared and still shares with you about his painful childhood and how he is still victimized, getting overly stressed in minor life challenges such as being stuck in traffic, going on and on about the drivers that caused him to get stuck. You feel sorry for your father and hope to “one day I’m able to introduce my parents, father especially to experience life without unnecessary stress.. maybe take them to travel and enjoy being in different places”. On a daily basis you don’t interact much with your parents, going straight to sleep after work and going out alone on your days off.
In your very early twenties you had a one year affair with a married man, a diplomat, and that ended a year ago. When you meet men in your work related travels, sometimes you feel the butterflies and wonder if there is a future with this or that man, but then you get scared that the man doesn’t feel the same way and you deny those butterflies, distract yourself and “try hard to stay grounded”, yet you get obsessive about some of these men, doing “excessive checking on his social media”, then you meet another man, another crush, forget about the previous and the pattern repeats: butterflies, denying/distracting, obsessing.
Two months ago, you met a single man, Andre, who lives in a different country. He may move to your country but it may not happen because he needs to go through a visa process with a new employer and may not get that visa. You like him very much, seeing him as one with “this kind loving attitude to people, animal, and nature”, and good relationships with others. You want this new relationship to grow, but you worry a lot, worry that you “have said something wrong”, or that he thinks you are not sincere when you tell him a compliment, that you “only give him bull^**”, that you “say or do something that goes against his perspective”. You don’t want to “end up clingy like my previous relationships or repeat the cycle whenever I don’t hear answers”, especially because the relationship is currently long distance. You don’t want to get hurt expecting and then getting disappointed but “yet I want to start new chapter with someone who is treating me this good”.
“The desire to make it happen sometimes coming up way too strong… I just long to escape and want to ‘make it’ happen because sometimes my inner child thinks it’s the answer”.
What I understand is that you have a strong desire for love, for a loving, healthy relationship with a man, one where you feel safe, no longer worrying, no longer obsessing, no longer scared. Sometimes you get overwhelmed by how strongly you want a love story with a man, and you panic, as if you are in some danger and you.. have to do something, quickly! Hence, rushing to think a lot (obsess), to check social media, to rush the other way and deny your feelings, or rush to another crush.
Everyone is afraid, some more than others. When a child lives in a home perceived to be dangerous, day after day, that fear grows and overwhelms. A child does get scared witnessing one argument between her parents. Witnessing arguments every day almost, abusive words included, that is very scary for a child. The home doesn’t feel safe, it feels dangerous.
The child craves for her parents’ love, for the feeling of safety with them but lives in fear. When the scared child turns 18 or 23, the significant fear doesn’t go away. It is still there, so you meet a man, you get the butterflies, that is the desire and hope of love and safety, and at the same time, or very soon after, you feel the fear as well, same fear from childhood.
The key is to manage this fear, to regulate it with guided meditations, long walks in nature, other healthy or non-damaging distractions on a daily basis. Maybe make a daily walk a matter of routine, every day. Maybe visit a gym daily, take on a bi weekly yoga class, and so on. Quality psychotherapy aimed at helping you manage and regulate your anxiety will be very helpful. Further insight into the origin of your significant anxiety (your childhood) will be helpful as well.
Even though you don’t feel much fear living at home with your parents now, that fear you felt before didn’t go away. You may not even remember how scared you were as a child when your parents argued. You may not remember how hurt you felt when they rejected your opinions and suggested that you were a bad daughter for expressing something innocent. But those feelings don’t disappear, they just hide and then emerge in other places, other situations, such as when you meet a man you are interested in.
You expressed something innocent to your parents as a child. To your surprise they got angry with you, saying you were a bad daughter for expressing that something by which you meant no harm. So you got scared: what if I say something else that makes them angry, that makes them think I am a bad daughter…?
Currently, you don’t share much with them, but when it comes to sharing with Andre, the same fear returns: what if he thinks I meant something I didn’t mean, what if I express something innocent and he misunderstands… just like they did.
Let me know your thoughts/ feelings about what I wrote so far, and if you would like, we can continue this communication.
anita
December 11, 2018 at 5:11 pm #268905GLParticipantExcuse the sudden post.
Marina,
Your parents probably doesn’t understand the deeply held insecurities of their wounds from their childhood. In the case of your father, he had a terrible and miserable childhood, but he probably wasn’t allow to voice that aloud as a child so he continues to carry a little boy in his heart that is still trying to grapple with that deep hurt. Then, as an adult, he married and conceived children because that’s what society told him to do so he did. But he wasn’t happy having a family so tried to get a divorce only insecurities kept him back from going forward. Then he watched as the little child he was able to controlled before slowly grow bigger while also slowly developing her own thoughts and will. But he, along with your mother, wasn’t able to face the implication that they weren’t able to control you anymore because they didn’t know how to face another person with emotions and thoughts that were different from them, which was inconceivable and threatening. So they tried to enforced the image of a good child on you because if you were a good child, they didn’t have to worry. Anything else was irrelevant because they were the parents and you were the child, that was what they learned in their own childhood. Only, you couldn’t handle their atrocious expectations and rebelled. Then they slowly understood that with the way things were going, things were going to get worse, so tried to ‘change’ but didn’t really change. They only slowed down.
Now, you’ve only written that you don’t really feel anything towards your parents, but still want to forgive them, to tried for a new ‘normal’. But that contradicts each other. To forgive anyone, you have to acknowledge the ‘why’ part of the forgiveness. Are you angry, disappointed, sad, tired, or simply numb from the people you depended on from your childhood to now? You wish to forgive them, but why must you? And also, can you try for a new ‘normal’ when your old ‘normal’ was different yet not so different? After all, your old ‘normal’ was your parents constantly hurling insults at each other than at you and your brother. The old ‘normal’ was your parents placing heavy expectations on you, but has that really changed? The old ‘normal’ was your parents neglecting to pay attention to what you want, your dreams, your simple thoughts but is still only talking about themselves? What makes today so normal from the past few years?
And have you notice? Have you notice that you’re really, really careful around your family and your potential lovers? When you feel a spark for anyone, you rush to check their social media. You try to gauged the kind of person they are, you try to see if you can fit in their life. With your parents, you try to avoid seeing them as much as possible, but also trying to give them a vacation in their old age. With Andre, you worry if a simple comment makes him angry so try to avoid doing so again. You walk on eggshells with everyone, but especially with yourself.
In your childhood, did you try to be the ‘good child’ before you rebelled? Did you try to meet your parents expectation because you desperately yearned for their approval only to realize that they weren’t or wasn’t able to do so? Because while you are aware your parents had hurt you, you still focus on the why that is your parents’, not your hurt. You understand that your father was hurt as a child, but that has nothing to do with your anger with your father. Your father has his own insecurities, but you do too. It’s fine to have compassion for others, but you cannot let that make you push away your own fear and doubts to focus on the other person. Looking at your post, most of the written posts are about either your parents or about Andre and how you can do something for them, but never about how you feel, not really about you. You have to remember your own anger and doubts and fear and sorrow. You’re only human; it’s okay to be human. So let yourself focus on your emotions and thoughts and feelings, and not how other people ‘think’ about your actions and thoughts.
Similar to your father, you have a little girl inside still wishing for warmth and comfort. What is the little girl inside of you crying and asking for? What is that little girl searching for? Listen. Then feel. Don’t think over it. It’s easy to rationalized your feelings, but that little girl isn’t looking for a solution. That little girl is looking for someone to just see and listen to her. To acknowledge her pain and sorrow. To honor her experiences with parents who didn’t know how to acknowledge her as a person. That little girl need you to see her, to accept yourself as you are.
Now, you wish for a relationship with a person that’ll treat you with genuine care and warmth, yet have you been treating yourself with warmth and care? Have you feel proud of yourself, complimented yourself for finishing a task? Have you let yourself be okay even when you’ve failed a task and not beat yourself up for it? Have you let yourself feel bad and be okay with it? Be okay with not finding a solution to every bad thing you’ve done to another person, to every mistake and flaws you feel you have? Have you been kind to yourself?
Because being kind to yourself really does require effort due to that inner critic that everyone has. The one that tells you that you’re not enough, that you’re a bad person, that things won’t work out, while questioning your every thoughts and actions. A person is truly their own worse critic so you have to learn to make yourself important and special to you, yourself. But you make that effort so that you know when someone is treating you badly, you know that what they’re doing is not kind or leaving you to question yourself, so that you know where and how to set up healthy boundaries.
You have hope for the future, so have hope for yourself.
Good luck.
December 12, 2018 at 5:57 am #268949MarinaParticipantDear Anita and GL,
sorry for the late reply.
Thank you very much for what you elaborated about how I feel and was experiencing.
I still often experience anxiety, it’s not only family and relationships but it grows to my working environment. Though I have nice and satisfying job, it really demanding and stressful. At the end of the day, i don’t have anyone to share my stories. I thought I had a best friend but couple days ago I found that she manipulated me and took some money from me. I end up keep everything by myself.
most of the written posts are about either your parents or about Andre and how you can do something for them, but never about how you feel, not really about you.
It’s true. Most of the times when I find myself telling about how I feel, i stop and withdraw. I think i’ve been unconsciously scared to speak up because it’s already planted on my mind that my ideas would be rejected. Even when I was still in school and in most group projects or when I had chance to lead the group, i didn’t really speak up my mind, the other overpowered me then I resented. But as I grow up, I tried a little and not resent.
I felt most comfortable speaking up my mind to my ex lover during the affair. It wasn’t about the money/privilege/materialistic stuffs I could get. Most importantly I held on because he was very understanding and listened to my stories compassionately, he knew my family background and what I went through. On some occasions, I exploded towards him but that was my inner child seeking for comfort. Mostly when he started to only reply my text with short words or he didn’t reply/read my message after long time, I broke down and got angry with him. little did I know that I was scared getting abandoned (again).
I’m afraid that when I enter a romantic relationship, it will happen again. For smallest things that don’t go as what i desire, i will explode or sunk in my overthinking pool of destructive thoughts. I’m afraid I continue the legacy of abusive words towards my lover and consider those words as form of affection and attention.
December 12, 2018 at 7:27 am #268957AnonymousGuestDear Marina:
You are welcome.
When you exploded at men before, what did you do and say to them; how did your explosions look and sound like?
anita
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