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April 4, 2017 at 3:40 pm #143671Adrian GallardoParticipant
Things have improved fundamentally, I no longer feel Anxiety, I am able to set out and do the things I have to do to move forward in life, but there are loose ends.
I would think about control daily, this ties back to the question of me blinking on my own when I really wasn’t, causing my eye issues when I wasn’t causing anything. And the same goes when I feel myself breathing, I would ponder if I am controlling my breathes without intention. So the big question is, how do I tell?
I don’t feel fear or anxiety because I know whether or not I am still breathing, still alive, and even if I am or am not, it is not a bad thing, but I feel even thought I don’t feel fear, I am keeping myself away from answer out of fear, not intentionally, I just wish I could face whatever so need to and move on, I just don’t know what “it” is 🙁
April 4, 2017 at 8:13 pm #143695AnonymousGuestDear Adrian Gallardo:
Did we mention OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) as a possibility of what “it” is?
I found the following online, you can google it yourself: Body-focused obsessions are also called “sensorimotor obsessions” or “somatosensory obsessions. These involve getting the attention stuck on thinking about or analyzing a particular autonomic process. Thoughts become fixated on one’s breathing rate, heart rate, swallowing, blinking, etc. Sufferers frequently label the problem as conscious breathing/ conscious swallowing/ conscious blinking. Individuals with this form of OCD find themselves acutely and frustratingly aware of their own bodily sensations”
What do you think?
anita
April 5, 2017 at 5:45 pm #143825Adrian GallardoParticipantthat’s the thing, I am just being conscious of my breathing or am I controlling. What I think is I never questioned this before, I didn’t care for it, even if it was OCD, why don’t I feel afraid? Trying to find an answer shows a sign of fear but it’s because this, how can’t I tell? Shouldn’t I be able to tell? I try and think about it and more and more I understand that although these are normal things our body does, why does the thought even occur?
I try try and convince myself, which I have done a good job at doing, that it doesn’t really matter, and I am just aware, and even if it feels like a I am controlling it, I doesn’t mean just my consciousness, knowing I am not my mind or body assures me that both can act on its own as well. Maybe I have just become afraid of being in control of myself, my body, my mind, etc. After everything and seeing how bad things can turn made me fearful at even the thought of control over my actions, and the doubt of not knowing if I even am controlling myself makes me uncertain of myself even more. What are your thoughts, I know peace lies within you, and going to a therapist might not even help, but I know if we spoke to one another as people, human beings, that can be all the help I need. I don’t ask myself that too much, but if just feels like something that can cleared up, with truth. You told me to move forward I must unlearn whatever lies are filling me. And Ive done a good job at being introspective and asking myself what needs to be solved, facing thoughts, emotions, and not allowing them to rule me, even if they affect me. So please, I know things are close to being back to the way they once were, calm and in peace. So please, all I ask for is what I’ve gaven others in their time of need, help.
April 5, 2017 at 8:08 pm #143853AnonymousGuestDear Adrian Gallardo:
Why does the thought (of controlling your breathing, the blinking) even occurs, you asked-
My answer: first there is fear but no apparent danger (aka, anxiety). So, the thinking brain (consciousness) is looking for the missing danger so to eliminate it. Like a flashlight in the dark, the thinking brain/consciousness is shining its light here and there, looking for danger.
You found the danger in your breathing and blinking: and the thinking brain/ consciousness figures the danger is that these functions will fail unless consciousness gets involved and takes control of these autonomic functions.
It so happens that my somatosensory obsession is on the autonomic functions of my intestines, the activity there. I am doing better in this regard, relaxing my focus, my obsession bit by bit, but it has been a nightmare to have my focus there.
I don’t know if I answered your question. I am glad things have improved for you and I hope continue to improve. If you’d like, find information on somatosensory obsession/ OCD- maybe a specialist on OCD can help you?
anita
April 6, 2017 at 10:40 am #143955Adrian GallardoParticipantIn all honesty, it’s been more out of a uncertainty rather than fear. Just like with my blinking, I realized fear and anxiety conditioned me to believe I was controlling it without intention and replacing awareness with control, when really I was just being aware, something meditating has taught me. Maybe since it happened often, the question and thought carried over, which makes sense to me and makes me even more re assured that it’s even more closer to be solved, since it doesn’t really have substance to be held onto. I mean, it just happens, and observing my breathes, “controlling” some of it, doesn’t seem odd, it seems normal. Adjusting my breathing or my breathing being adjusted by my body or mind. You referred to consciousness, isn’t that separate from mind? Doesn’t mean our mind do these things, and aren’t we this consciousness that fills our body, our mind, our physical presence? Without the things that tie us to this world, our conscious won’t mean anything, so I disagree that your conscious does this, unless you meant your mind.
A thing I noticed was once I was aware, I would associate a change to conscious control, direct causation to me. Maybe a specialist would help, I just feel like, no, maybe that’s just my ego talking, maybe this need for an answer on my own is just a desire to solve my own problems, as if that will set things right, which is absolutely false.
One false thing I tried to believe was that intention means prior thinking, but life happens faster than a thought, and the control we all have is exercised faster than thought, life moves faster than a thought.
At this point, I am becoming indifferent to the thought, at least I’m breathing, either can happen, even if I don’t know every time which it is, doesn’t mean either isn’t exercised daily, I may be in control, but not of everything, so that leaves space for anything else that is apart of me. I just don’t want to feed lies to myself that I did this or that when it was my mind or body acting on its own, and I guess that’s where the root of it’s at, being sure of myself.
April 6, 2017 at 10:57 am #143957AnonymousGuestDear Adrian Gallardo:
I noticed that you make good sense, logic in your thinking above. I don’t follow everything you write, but I think you make even more sense than I realize.
Regarding Mind and Consciousness, I will refer to Mind as Brain and Consciousness as Awareness. Awareness involves Thinking.
A big part of our brain functions without our awareness, it does not involve our awareness, such as our heart beating. We may be aware of the beating (when awake, when we pay attention), and have thoughts about it, but our heart will beat when we are asleep and otherwise when we are not aware of it beating, when we don’t think of it beating. In addition, we can control our beating only by exercising or resting and waiting for our hearts to increase or decrease its beating.
Almost same with breathing: it will happen when we are asleep and when awake but not aware. As in the case of our heart beating, breathing will take place without thinking. But we can control our breathing, once aware, quicker than controlling our hearts, because we can hold our breaths.
Same or almost same with other functions, such as blinking and intestinal activity.
Other parts of our brains are in charge with tasks that are habits, for example, tying our shoes. We can do so without awareness, without thought because we learned how to do it already and it is a habit.
Yet other parts of our brain are in charge with tasks that are not habits and which require our ongoing awareness: for example my typing this post. It cannot be done without awareness, without thought and still make sense.
anita
April 6, 2017 at 8:45 pm #144017Adrian GallardoParticipantThank you.
I was riding the bus today, and I was thinking to myself, what is it. Then it became apparent, as I looked to the past, how this wouldn’t have mattered back then, I realize that it wasn’t just that it didn’t matter, also that I was comfortable with either, because either will happen. I’ve been persistent on trying to understand everything I do out of control, to not be confused or uncertain on what is “me.” Well, me is not just this awareness, as each one of us are molded into our own suits of armor, infinite and unique minds, we are also these things, because they are a direct reflection and part of who we are. I realized back then, months ago, I said something about control , us not being dominant over the things that make us who we are, and that was a lie. Although control IS dominance, we must exert it over our entity, or else, just like a car, there is no body in the passenger seat pressing the gas, turning the wheel, switching gears, we’d just sit in place, on the side of the road when we must be driving ON the road. We are in control, and I’ve lost it these past months, letting thoughts and emotions reign over who I am. But once I understand one thing, it becomes clear. No matter how you breathe, hoe you blink, how your heart beats, you are just breathing, blinking, alive. Surely I can differentiate between the two, but trying to do so frantically is separating the entity I am, when really it is all the same. At the end of the day, I won’t know every time, and even if I did, what would that change, what would that serve? Just to feed my ego, and I won’t allow it to dictate what I pursue. If I know I have control, and not everything takes my control, than what is there to know?
Exactly, whether I breathe and it’s a forced exhale, or I notice my lungs, rising and falling, it’s all the same, there is not one to the other that means more, the purpose is equal.
Just breathe.
I hope this makes sense to you, because the first time in a long time, I feel more certain about myself again. Thanks again 🙂
April 6, 2017 at 8:55 pm #144019AnonymousGuestDear Adrian Gallardo:
You are welcome.
You are definitely a thinker! I understood some of what you wrote and it makes sense to me, but I want to re-read your post with a fresh brain, which I hope to have tomorrow morning. You touched on something regarding your identity as a human being, I think, in an original way- looking forward to re-read in about ten hours or so, will reply then.
anita
April 7, 2017 at 7:09 am #144031AnonymousGuestDear Adrian Gallardo:
Before I go over your last post, Wikipedia defines the Autonomic Nervous System as “a control system that acts largely unconsciously and regulates bodily functions such as the heart rate, digestion, respiratory rate, pupillary response, urination, and sexual arousal.” Notice: it is a “CONTROL system that acts UNCONSCIOUSLY”
You wrote: “as I looked to the past, how this wouldn’t have mattered back then, I realize that it wasn’t just that it didn’t matter”- I think you are referring to your focus on your breathing or blinking: in the past you didn’t apply conscious (as in awareness, in thinking) control and you were fine, it didn’t matter. So now, if you stop conscious control, it will be like it was in the past, fine.
You wrote: “I’ve been persistent on trying to understand everything I do out of control, to not be confused or uncertain on what is ‘me.'”-I think you are referring to an identity question resembling: are our uncontrollable actions (ex., breathing) part of who we are? If we have no say on a matter, is it part of who we are?
We are the animals, pre-determined in many ways by nature, like all other animals: we breathe, digest, rest, eat, etc. Unlike other animals we can think, using language, and so, we are able to make thoughtful choices. But thoughtful choices should not apply to what was already thought-about, decided on, managed etc., by nature. How we breathe has already been established by nature. We have other things to attend to, things requiring our individual thinking, awareness.
You wrote: “Although control IS dominance, we must exert it over our entity, or else, just like a car, there is no body in the passenger seat pressing the gas, turning the wheel, switching gears, we’d just sit in place, on the side of the road when we must be driving ON the road.”-
the individual mechanisms of the car (how the wheel works, how the brakes work, etc.) – these were already decided upon when manufactured and installed way before we got into the car for the first time. As drivers we attend to what is within our control: the direction we choose, the speed we choose, the distance from the cars in front, etc. As we focus on these things, we focus on what was not pre-determined.
You wrote: “No matter how you breathe, hoe you blink, how your heart beats, you are just breathing, blinking, alive…If I know I have control, and not everything takes my control, than what is there to know?… whether I breathe and it’s a forced exhale, or I notice my lungs, rising and falling, it’s all the same, there is not one to the other that means more, the purpose is equal.
Just breathe.”- this is the most insightful part of your post, I believe, an insightful conclusion.
Excellent post, if I may say so.
anita
April 7, 2017 at 9:21 am #144061Adrian GallardoParticipantThanks, but to explain it more, I am not consciously controlling my breathing, just thinking about if I am, and the instances that I do, like when I wake up, just taking more of an exhale, but I see more that lies and made up ideas that I have established to bring further away from the truth, the truth is, yes, I breathe different breathes from time to time because I choose to, like in some mornings, or out of being nervous, or to calm myself. I would beat around the bush to try and make it seem like it is just my body, but that is the highlight of me being afraid of being control, and telling myself I shouldn’t be in control of it, that it’s bad, but really it’s as normal as NOT controlling my breathing. I would try and convince myself that it isn’t “me” because I didn’t think about it or I didn’t intend etc etc, but regardless I feel it is me, the awareness and driver, how and why is another story, but the fact of the matter is I am controlling in those instances, and that’s ok.
Thanks again, I still plan on seeing a specialist, just to find closure, this isn’t something small, it’s bigger than me and I have to take it seriously. If theres one thing I learned, that alike your body, your mind can be injured, and both alike, must be mended, ego may prevent the healing, and by moving forward, your pride may be crushed, but these are feelings, and nothing lasts forever, and things can definitely get better, you just have to be willing to understand that there’s something to fix.
April 7, 2017 at 7:59 pm #144141AnonymousGuestDear Adrian Gallardo:
You are welcome. I hope you see a competent specialist. I am not understanding quite a bit of what you wrote. I wish I did. Sometimes I think I do, but then I think I might not have understood.
Post anytime.
anita
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