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January 31, 2020 at 7:31 am #335998AnonymousGuest
Dear Gaia:
I want to go to what you shared in your post before last:
“It’s strange, because on the outside you wouldn’t say I am on the extreme part of emotional spectrum. People would say I’m the stoic one”-
– an online definition of stoic= a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining”.
I am now connecting the Magnifying Glass Principle and Behavior (I am developing what follows for myself and sharing it with you. I am sharing it with you in case it helps your understanding as well):
Your mother’s feelings were magnified in her brain and she acted out that magnification in melodramatic (a word you used to describe her behavior) ways. Online definition of melodramatic: exaggerated, sensationalized or overemotional. Words synonymous with melodramatic: overdramatic, overdone, histrionic.
Online Merriam Webster dictionary on dramatic: “Dramatic applies to situations in life .. that stir the imagination and emotions deeply“; “Histrionics applies to tone, gestures and motion and suggests a deliberate affectation or staginess”.
Wikipedia on Histrionic Personality disorder (HPD): “HPD lies in the dramatic cluster of personality disorders. People with HPD.. make loud and inappropriate appearances, exaggerate their behaviors and emotions.. express strong emotions with an impressionistic style.. Individuals with HPD often fail to see their own personal situation realistically, instead dramatize and exaggerate their difficulties… (Characteristics:) Relationships are considered more intimate than they really are…Influenced easily by others or circumstances… Exaggerated emotions; theatrical”.
(“impressionistic style”, above= “strong opinions are expressed with dramatic flair, but underlying reasons are usually vague and diffuse, without supporting facts and details”)
So your mother, like mine, had her feeling magnified in her brain and then she proceeded to act out that magnification in dramatic ways that “stir the imagination and emotions deeply”, the imagination and emotion of the audience, the audience being me as a child, and you as a child.
Our imagination and emotions having been stirred deeply, have become magnified.
But you didn’t act out that magnification with your own dramatic/ histrionic behavior. You chose the opposite of dramatic, which is stoic.
Similarly, I also chose stoic behavior. I didn’t want to be like my mother.
But the magnification of emotions and imagination remains regardless of not acting dramatically/ histrionically. So we need to choose and practice moderation in how we experience our imagination and emotions (emotional regulation)-
-and we need to choose and practice moderation in how we express our imagination and emotions, choosing the middle way between behaving stoically (zero% expression of emotions) and behaving dramatically/ histrionically (150%/ exaggerated expression of emotions), so to express ourselves honestly and responsibly.
anita
January 31, 2020 at 2:43 pm #336116GaiaParticipantDear Anita
So did you also need emotion regulation? How did it work for you, what steps it required?
January 31, 2020 at 2:54 pm #336118AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
I am not an expert regarding the term emotional regulation. The way my therapist introduced me to emotional regulation is through the mindful meditation series of Mark Williams. You can download his series of Mindful Mediations and listen to the first. Let me know how it was for you.
anita
February 1, 2020 at 6:59 am #336180AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
You asked about emotion (or emotional) regulation skills. Wikipedia has an entry on emotion regulation. It explains that emotional regulation is a complex process that involves initiating, inhibiting or modulating (as in turning the volume up or down) on the following:
1. Our subjective experience aka our feelings/ emotions (I use these two words interchangeably).
2. Our cognitive responses aka our thoughts.
3. Our emotion-related physiological responses, ex. heartbeat, hormonal secretions.
4. Our behaviors aka bodily actions and expressions.
From the time of infancy we emotionally regulate, for example an infant sucking her thumb as a way to soothe herself. So everyone does it, you don’t have to be taught it. What we do need to be taught is how to emotionally regulate effectively. Lots of the strategies we use to emotionally regulate ourselves are ineffective, or maladaptive (ex. drug abuse).
Emotion regulation includes initiating behaviors, ex. downloading a guided meditation, listen to it and follow the instructions, so to calm down, lower the heartbeat. It includes changing behaviors, ex. choosing fast walking instead of the less safe running. It includes initiating feelings, ex. listen to our favorite music and feel so much better, pleasant.
“Individuals who are emotionally dysregulated exhibit patterns of responding in which there is a mismatch between their goals, responses, and/ or modes of expression”- ex., you need friends/ a boyfriend, but you often feel extreme anger toward people you don’t know, so there is a mismatch: you need friends but you can’t can’t make friends with people you hate.
In the theory section of the Wikipedia entry it states how emotion comes to be: it starts with “a situation (real or imagined) that is emotionally relevant, continues with “Attention is directed towards the emotional situation“, then there is “Appraisal: the emotional situation is evaluated and interpreted”, and then there is “Response”, which included more feelings, physiological responses and behavior-
– For example, you are in a party and you see a clique of people talking and having fun- the real life situation; you then feel really bad- that’s your subjective emotional situation, next there is a cognitive appraisal which includes thoughts such as: I am an outcast, they are not including me, they are the cool people, I am a freak, I hate them!… Next, the response: certain hormones are secreted into your blood raising your heartbeat, increasing your felt body temperature, you feel dizzy, uncoordinated, spaced out like in a different dimension.. and feeling all this leads to you further appraising that indeed you must be a freak, and you are having another bad night.
Effective emotional regulation in the above example would include a different cognitive appraisal, thinking: this group is talking and having fun but that doesn’t mean they are rejecting me, nothing terrible is happening to me. Maybe they are nice people. I am okay, I am not in danger. I will feel better soon enough. Let’s see if there is someone I can talk to…This is a reinterpreting of the real life situation, seeing a bigger picture.
Here is a definition of emotion regulation in a website I just came across: “In its purest form, emotional regulation is about you having the skills to control your behavior, emotions and thoughts in the pursuit of long-term goals- for example living a resilient and flourishing life as opposed to living a life where you are languishing in discontent and frustration”.
In another website that looks great to me (positive psychology . com) it reads: “emotion regulation is the process of controlling one’s emotions, keeping them in balance and away from extremes” (“My extreme feelings kill me” is the title of your thread).
It reads (emotion regulation skills/tools/strategies are in bold letter): “One of the most powerful tools in emotion regulation is simply identifying and naming the emotion you are feeling… Mindfulness can be described as living your life in the present instead of being stuck in the past or the future. Practicing mindfulness helps us become more aware of our thought patterns, our emotions, and how our thoughts and feelings affect our reactions to events…
Perhaps the most important emotion regulation skill, learning to let go can be very difficult but is worth the effort you invest. Humans have a tendency to become stuck when attempting to process negative emotions. Instead of simply letting them go, we often hold ever tighter to them, obsessing over every little bit of our emotional experience and wondering why it’s happening to us. It sounds paradoxical, but the act of accepting that we are feeling emotions we would rather not feel (called “radical acceptance”) can be the key to letting go of them. When we accept that we are suffering, we stop running from the difficult emotions and turn to face them-and when we do, we might see that it wasn’t the big bad monster we thought it was, but a smaller and more manageable beast…
“STOPP is a strategy that will help you in the heat of the moment when you are dealing with intense emotions. It incorporate aspects of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), DBT (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy), and mindfulness meditation to help u more effectively address and manage your emotional response to challenging, difficult, or rage- inducing incident. STOPP stands for: S- Stop! Just pause for a moment. T- Take a Breath...O- Observe- what thoughts are going through your mind right now?.. What sensations do you notice in your body? P- Pull back– Put in some Perspective: What’s the bigger picture.. What is another way of looking at this situation?.. What is a more reasonable explanation? .. P- Practice What Works- Proceed: What is the best thing to do right now?.. What can I do that fits my values? Do what will be effective and appropriate.
There is plenty more in this website, including I think, worksheets you can download for free.
If you ever attend psychotherapy, the best for you would be a combination of Cognitive Behavioral therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) and Mindfulness (same combination I had in my 2011-13 therapy).
anita
February 7, 2020 at 2:32 pm #337058GaiaParticipantDear Anita
First of all, thanks for this last post where you’ve addressed techniques for me to explore, lately I’ve been tried radical acceptance of my emotional states, mindfulness, meditation, but I don’t know if they really work.
Tonight my intense emotions and turmoils have hit me deep again. A mixture of intense rage, anxiety, obsession, compulsive checking, despair. I’ve learned that my father may have a illness in his pancreas and I still don’t know if it’s a serious thing or not. I’m terrified that it may end up with his death, that it’s just started a slow and uncertain process for his health that may end up in the worst case. I’m afraid because in 2/3 months ive seen 2 close relatives die suddenly and this has left me very anxious, I’m afraid that my father will be the next or someone else. When the phone of one of my parents ring I tense up and gets nervous because I’m afraid there’s bad news coming of someone dying, this is stressing me so much
Also the same old shit of feeling caged in my compulsive habits, I feel like a slave to them, I tried to detach then I crave them. This has increased my anger and frustration, + the fact that any small interaction make me feel like shit. I know I sound like a crybaby that always whines but that’s how I feel. I meditate, I spend time in nature, I try to be mindful of my environment and of myself, I try to understand my mind better and I challenge my negative patterns but they only feel like small breaks from the hell I usually find myself in. Tonight has been a time of intense negativity, I felt rage at my dog (that I usually love) for behaving aggressively sometimes, rage at my crush, rage at social justice matters, I can feel my brain race in a crazy way. Sometimes when my anger takes the best of me I imagine very violent scenarios either without my will or encouraged by my anger, it shocks me and left me concerned, it’s like a evil entity takes the control of me. I’m genuinely concerned that one day in real life something or someone will trigger me intensely and I’ll do some regrettable shit. That’s all, I hope reading this won’t disturb you much.
February 7, 2020 at 5:04 pm #337066AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
You are welcome, and no, your post doesn’t disturb you. I mean, I am sorry you feel badly, but I am okay. I want to reply to you tomorrow morning, which for me, is about 13 hours from now. For now, please try to relax best you can. You worrying about your father is not going to make any positive change in his health. All that worrying about him or anyone is doing is hurting you. Neither is you being enraged about injustices correcting any injustice at all. Try to tell this to yourself, that your worry and rage are not helping anyone, and hurting yourself.
Will be back to you. Please do the best you can to be good to you!
anita
February 8, 2020 at 8:27 am #337134AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
Let’s look at what happened last night:
Words have been said that your father may be ill. The words entered your ears and reached your brain. As the words reached your brain, the first thing your words hit was that Magnifying Glass we talked about, and Bam! You experience not just anger, but rage, not concern, but anxiety, obsession .. terrified.. very anxious. not sadness, but despair.
-the words I added the bold feature to above, are your words.
Next thing that happens is you think about “the worst case”, and about other relatives who died-> next, you tense up every time the phone rings ->next, you engage in compulsive checking->next, you feel caged in your compulsive habits-> next, you try to detach from them but crave them and give in to them-> next, your anger and frustration increase-> next, you think to yourself that you are overreacting to “any small interactions” and that you sound like a crybaby that always whines”-> next, you feel angry at yourself for doing all that mindful work but failing to achieve more than “small breaks from the hell I usually find myself in”-> next, you “imagine very violent scenarios” and you feel like an “evil entity takes the control of me”-> next, you worry that some day you will be so angry and so violent that you will “do some regrettable sh**”
It is an avalanche, an escalation of distress, a quick escalation.
The words reached your brain and hit the Magnifying Glass, broke through that Magnifying Glass only to hit yet another Magnifying Glass and another and another … and another.
There is only one way for you to overcome this series of magnifying glasses and escalation of distress, this avalanche of distress, and that is, to de-escalate, remove the magnifying glasses one by one by one.
You do this de-escalation by inserting realistic, true thoughts into this mix, for example: I don’t know if my father is ill, maybe he is not. (and even if he is not ill for now, one day he will be ill, and so will I, and everyone else I know. I need to be face this reality and not get overwhelmed).
More thoughts: I am angry, and that is okay. Everyone gets angry. It doesn’t mean I am evil or am taken possession by an evil entity. I am just angry, that’s all. After all, so far I have been in excellent control of my behavior, I was as angry as hell, but I didn’t do anything that placed me in prison. I am in control.
* If possible, at a time like this, during this avalanche, take a walk outside, or exercise indoors, or take a hot bath, or lie down and listen to calming music, or watch a movie, or read a book (all healthy distractions so to give your brain a chance to de-escalate).
* If there is anyone to talk with about your distress, talk or type away here. It helps de-escalate when you share/ express your worries. Do that sooner than later.
* When you find yourself doing the compulsions, stop resisting them and instead perform those compulsions in a slower speed, take your time performing this or that compulsion, so that you are not rushing through a compulsion. (This is the beginning of overcoming OCD compulsions from my personal experience).
Then empathy for yourself, insert thoughts such as: I am not a crybaby, I am suffering. I need to help myself, to calm myself, to de-escalate, hush… sweet Gaia, sh… it will be okay. You will see. I will feel better soon. Sh…
anita
February 8, 2020 at 12:25 pm #337162GaiaParticipantDear Anita
Then empathy for yourself, insert thoughts such as: I am not a crybaby, I am suffering. I need to help myself, to calm myself, to de-escalate, hush… sweet Gaia, sh… it will be okay. You will see. I will feel better soon. Sh
I try to talk kindly to myself or re-parent myself but I usually either abandon good habits/routines I was starting to build or start hating myself again. This has been the cycle of a lifetime: trying to change my mindset or routine but always failing after 1/2 weeks or even after a few days. I’m trying to accept this and not be too rigid, I feel bad that I commit to positive healing journeys but never truly stay consistent with them
February 8, 2020 at 12:35 pm #337164AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
In your recent post to me you picked one thing from all that I wrote to you and ignored the rest of what I wrote to you today. Probably because you are upset and frustrated.
Please re-read my recent post to you slowly and attentively, when you are calm enough to read it slowly and attentively. Then get back to me.
anita
February 8, 2020 at 1:44 pm #337172GaiaParticipantDear Anita
I don’t want you to think I ignored your post, but I will re-read it carefully and slowly so to give you another response.
I am used to read and assimilate things fast and I know it can give the impression I ignore things, and I know, it’s not a very good habit (well, truth is I also eat, talk, and walk fast)
February 8, 2020 at 2:06 pm #337174AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
You can “read and assimilate things fast academically, as when studying for a test in school, and you can “eat, talk and walk fast” but the work required here (“trying to change my mindset”), it is impossible to do fast. For as long as you expect it to be anything but very, very, very….. very, very slow, you will be disappointed and frustrated again and again.
So do take your time and re-read repeatedly my earlier post to you, this part of it, then another part, then back to the first, let this part or that part sink in. And when you understand better than ever one thing in a post, you don’t have to understand everything else in that one post.
This kind of learning, a learning that is more than academic/ logical, an emotional + logical learning, that can not be rushed.
anita
February 8, 2020 at 2:17 pm #337176AnonymousGuestMore, Gaia:
You wrote: “This has been the cycle of a lifetime: trying to change my mindset or routine but always failing after 1/2 weeks or even after a few days”- because you are rushing it and having the unrealistic expectation that you can make real and lasting emotional changes in yourself quickly.
I wish you could trust me on this one, Gaia. It takes so much time, it is so very slow.
So you rush it and make zero progress (and often go backward) or you take it very slow and make very little progress every day, or every week.. or every month. These are your only tow options.
anita
February 8, 2020 at 4:13 pm #337198GaiaParticipantDear Anita
I’ve re-read some of your replies on how to manage feelings and behaviors and on The Magnifying Glass. One thing I’m specifically trying is to show myself empathy and staying mindful of the present moment by accepting whatever I’m feeling and the reality around me.
I’ve also another, personal, input: the way I live is very “in-my-mind”, on autopilot, dissociated, celebral. These are the words I felt like saying, and instinctively I’d also suggest that what I need is break from electronic devices, be more aware of the world around me, slow down, be mindful. I’ve mentioned other times to you how I don’t even feel like a person, everything that makes a person a person (hobbies, relationships, experiences, opinions, likes and dislikes…) Feels shattered, arrested, out of center, existent &non existent in and out of me. These words I’m using are very instinctive. I definitely feel the need to look at myself in the eyes, connect, feel tangibly and in a solid way what makes me me and not just let it races around in my mind. Did you also feel like this? What do you think about it?
February 8, 2020 at 4:38 pm #337202AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
I am relieved and glad to read your recent post- I was afraid you will not be back after my post about healing taking so much time, being such a slow, slow process!
I am not focused enough to read your recent post with the attention it deserves, so I will in about 14 hours from now (it is 4:35 PM my time now). From what I got from first reading, I feel optimistic about you, I think you are going to make it and I am excited about it.
Be back to your thread tomorrow, re-read and reply further.
anita
February 9, 2020 at 8:54 am #337290AnonymousGuestDear Gaia:
“I’m specifically trying ..to show myself empathy and staying mindful of the present moment by accepting whatever I’m feeling and the reality around me.. break from electronic devices, be more aware of the world around me, slow down, be mindful.. look at myself in the eyes, connect, feel tangibly and in a solid way what makes me, me”- keep practicing these things and get better and better at it.
“I live.. very ‘in-my-mind’, on autopilot, disassociated, cerebral.. Feels shattered, arrested, out of center, existent & non existent in and out of me… it races around in my mind. Did you also feel like this? What do you think about it?”
Yes, I felt like this. I suffered so much for so long, as a child, a teenager, a young adult and onward.
What do I think about it… I think that you better do what I am doing but way sooner than I started, and that is: do all that you can do to lower and lower that suffering. To put it in a different way: do all that you can do every day to die a little less and live a little more.
There is no such thing as magic, no way to make it happen, to no longer suffer today and be happy forevermore (heaven was invented for this purpose- one day, after we die, then .. magic!)
It takes time and a lot of work. I didn’t do the work in my twenties or thirties and my life got worse for it- more bad experiences, dysfunction spreading to a variety of areas, and my life experience got even worse. So the option is not between making progress and making no progress, as in staying in place. The option is between making progress and regressing, that is, you either move forward, or you move backward.
The best place for you to start this moving forward process is in quality psychotherapy. You hire a qualified person with impressive certificates and who knows what he/ she is doing-to help you. You pay the money and you figure: better I do the work because I am paying for it. You want to get your money’s worth.
Without quality psychotherapy, here on this thread- I can help you in the context of this thread. I don’t have a psychotherapy degree and certificates and I am not a psychotherapist. I have no plans of being a psychotherapist, not in person and not online (I don’t think online psychotherapy is possible!). What I do have is a 4 years and 9 months history of reading and studying the stories of hundreds of people from all over the world, often 8 hours days of such learning, a learning I took on myself, a learning that is recorded and retrievable here (starting May 2015).
If you value what I learned here, and what I keep learning, then use what I know to help yourself.
anita
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